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Felkyr
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On September 01 2013 11:38 Stutters695 wrote: I don't understand what you're saying about Onegu not flipping what he claimed. Can you explain? If I understand it correctly, Koshi does not believe Onegu is town. He thinks Onegu has a secret agenda as BM (together with you). Hence, he wants Onegu to be shot, so we get more information on BM (and you). What I meant is: if Onegu really flips not-town, but something BM like with his own agenda, we can be quite sure that you are part of that different agenda too. Which would be nice for town, that's sure. BUT, I'm not sure whether Onegu his claim was fake. It might be, but if it is not, we kill a townie. I suppose it is a matter of chances, but there might be better shots than Onegu at the moment. I hope this explanation was clear. If not, let me know and I'll try to elaborate further. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote: /yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this. I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed? It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be? For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it. ##Vote cakepie Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so. I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it. Also note that the changes in the list do not fit what Onegu said he could do. Onegu moved up and Stutters moved beneath him or something like that. Onegu, can you clarify? | ||
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Felkyr
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On September 02 2013 11:56 HiroPro wrote: Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. Would it be this? On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. It's the only thing I found between a lot of rubble. It's already late and I'm sorry if there is anything else. I find this very weak... AG made very clear that he thought very deeply about the effect of his power. For me, this is a very bad reason to tell him not to use his power. Or you didn't read, or you didn't care. On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote: role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_- You said this... I don't see anything else where YOU form an opinion of geript's alignment. What is your opinion? You have to be kidding, right? And finally: On September 02 2013 06:49 HiroPro wrote: Father...Father oh where have you gone. All I have left are your teachings and readings. When all I really wanted was your tools. sniff, it's ok. I'M NOT YOU, I CAN BE MY OWN MAN. Legendary, Revolutionary, Insurgent, Suicidal, Scribe, I will avenge you! I have your masks, this game can still be brown! Long Live The New Brown State! ![[image loading]](http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1751/brownflag.png) I suppose you don't want to explain this to me? I'm new and don't know all this metagame stuff. | ||
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On September 03 2013 04:27 Onegu wrote: Im going to vote felkyr for now the way the night actions happened he knew something was going to happen because of Black mesa qt and messed with the player list. ##VOTE: FELKYR @Onegu Would you like to explain this? I don't know anything, in as far as that would convince you. If there is more being said in the Black Mesa QT, you should tell us. Are you not the town representative there? People have asked for it several times... @All + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote: interesting, the fate is -3 at the moment so it seems hiropro is bulletproof for this next night. On September 03 2013 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: VisceraEyes' Tombstone reads: VisceraEyes, as Alphonse Elric, Drew a circle on HiroPro Night 1 + Show Spoiler [Role Pm] + Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Alphonse Elric, Brother to the Fullmetal Alchemist! Each night you may place a transmutation circle on a player. You may only have 1 circle drawn at any time, and the addition of a new one will eliminate your old one. This Circle will be activated at night after a full day of being on a player. The effect of your transmutation will depend on the fate counters. If the fate counter is negative, your target will be protected from 1 kp until the next day, and if the fate counter is [0, 4], they will be roleblocked until the next day. The first time the fate counter is 5 or greater, your transmutation will kill them immediately. After using the kill ability, the fate counter at 5 or more will roleblock instead. FURTHER INFORMATION REDACTED. You win when you are alive at the end of the game. ”Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is Alchemy’s first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world’s one and only truth.” In addition to drawing a circle, he was shot. If I read this correctly, the circle will STAY on Hiro. Hence, Hiro will stay protected (unless fate rises). HiroPro WILL die if the fate counter gets to 5. I'm still not sure whether I want to lynch geript. As is said, he could be town. But indeed, he plays very anti-town. It would help greatly if he would explain some more. If he is able to give us another double lynch at a later time (or a voterig), that might be very beneficial. However, as he doesn't seem to want to cooperate at all, I'm afraid he will be useless or worse (and maybe scum above that). If there is a consensus to lynch geript, I will place my vote as necessary. @geript Talk to us please. @All For the second vote, I think Slam is a good choice. I have always thought of him as scummy. Still, for the most part he is unreadable for me, and I have no metagame information to help me. Most of it was his vague/shitty talk. Now, he has done something clearly anti-town. Some people say that the fact that he posted about it makes him look town, but if I look at the earlier stuff he has posted, I don't see why he wouldn't post something like that as scum. I mean, it seems like he likes to draw attention. It was stupid both as town and as scum, but the action himself makes him scum. Again, I will place my vote there if consensus deems it necessary. Talking about talking shit. Now that Hiro seems to be contributing, I feel no direct need to lynch him today, although it is still a possibility to me. He talked shit earlier and didn't make sense to me, but I'm don't know about him. It's easy to start doing the right thing when you will die, I suppose. I would like to hear from Hassy what he has to say about the Kita claim. @Koshi On September 03 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote: Also, who has the "Soul Gun"? That might be the only redeeming thing that Alakaslam did. Could you explain this? At first, I thought this was the item you wanted to give to Vayne (and that you made it for him). However, from your phrasing you seem to suggest it is good that it was changed from owner? Do you think scum made it? Below is the post that made me think you invented the item, btw. On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote: The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.; @Rayn I know you like to talk about your pokemon. On September 01 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey pokemon dude! Do not fight! There is no reason to if you are town! You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight. You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you! So, you are supposed to fight with another pokemon guy, right? Why would you think he is town? To me, it seems much more logical/likely that your opponent is scum or at least antitown if you are town. Why would you let people fight otherwise? That being said, like you assumed yourself, S&B could be your opponent. On August 31 2013 08:40 strongandbig wrote: i still can't decide what to do with geript. randombum i choose you! Why does his claim mean I should vote for him. And another boldface post (although not that evincive): I challenge everyone to read what I wrote about VE's case He has denied it, but of course he will do that if the chances are likely your opponent is scum. But why would he write it then in the first place? To have something to claim later on, only afterwards realizing his mistake? OR, he thinks/knows that your opponent is Randombum, which is interesting. S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence? | ||
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Felkyr
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 19:37 AxleGreaser wrote: In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. This. I am alright with the Slam lynch (reasons are clear enough I think). I'm still not sure about geript... However, I actually do not feel good about lynching Hassy. For several things posted before, he could very well be town to me. But, if I look at people who vote for geript versus those who vote on Hassy, Hassy has much more people on him who I consider townie and who have more or less my respect (people who I would sheep is, I think, the correct term). If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. Geript/Slam is my preferred lynch atm, UNLESS we can decide on someone else instead of geript. Oats or Risen? Not going to happen I suppose... Or can someone clearly summarize for me why I should vote Hassy? (Oats didn't vote yet?) | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: geript is speaking the truth about his -1. Currently 8 people on hassy and the vote total says 6. Lol, didn't even realize that. | ||
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1) After it was pointed out to me that the geript -1 vote was already in place, I realized Hassy could be lynched (I first thought it would not happen at all). 2) Yes, I had my doubts on Hassy, likewise on geript. But I know I'm not good at reading people, and some people I assume very townie voted on Hassy, so I did not think it would be bad to stay on him. 3) I really thought Slam was gone get lynched. I did not want to change my vote in the very end, because I thought that that would not be appreciated. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote: um so ve wasn't master yi? anyway i read a bunch of hassy's old games. he's like never been scum so i'm having trouble finding a pattern. i really don't like his filter. there's zero discussion of who might be scum except for an ill-reasoned shoutout at wos (srsly, as far as I can tell his only read is based off of confusing who said what between wos and va?) and the "oh my action didn't go through" excuse is pretty much the only thing scum could say if they feel caught... but it could also be true... okay so conclusion: scummy filter + night action suspicion = i'm going to keep my vote on hassy. i think our other lynch should be alakaslam. i would also support a shiaopi lynch or a geript lynch, since geript is still refusing to play the game. On September 04 2013 06:26 AxleGreaser wrote: Bad town: ...110% Useful town: ...-lots% Scum ... Lots-10. Koshi: you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum. Err... I thought I had hammered on geript (with reasons) about as hard as was reasonable without just being ridiculous. The hassy situation largely speaks for itself. he has claimed failed medic action on day post it kind of meh explained. he has after being caught with claimed action thats shown not to be true found out the ooops the action was never really communicated. I dont buy the story. I do buy the story that Alak did stuff(shuffle items) that was not due to rational town motivation and not due to rational scum motivation but just was Alak being Alak. Is Alak an any day of the week policy lynch... yep sure thing. I will lynch him any day we have nothing better to do. Now, we really have to lynch Slam today. If we add the kita stuff, I don't see reason not to. I should have some more time today and tomorrow, though I'm not entirely sure. I'll try to be more active later. I'm sorry I'm not as active as I should be. Axle, can we do your plan today? If we lynch Slam, there might be enough votes to do that safely, no? On September 06 2013 00:38 Stutters695 wrote: Also can't remember if I mentioned this after the flip last night due to alcohol but the cop isn't one shot and got a green on Felkyr Yay, I am quite happy about this =D ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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I don't have much time now, I'll get back on those scumreads later. God knows I suck at those though. In any case, I think there must be several scum among the not very active players, which are listed several times. To make the bridge to your last question, Risen might very well be scum. CC has never been on my scumlist, and I never really looked into him. Like is said before, two scum on kita seems weird. But that Shaio is actually blocked is weird too, unless another scum blocked Shaio and Slam uses that to try to get away. That both are scum is of course possible, but it seems unlikely to me. But again, I'll try to read filters later and give a decent response. | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote: lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass. Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on. Why do people think you're scum when you tell the truth ffs (it's Felkyr btw)? Risen, could you at least give valid reasons, which can help me ascertain to you that I'm town or help me being less scummy in the future? Oh wait, that's not what you do. You just throw in short random stuff throughout the game and believe that that is valid contribution. On September 05 2013 02:38 Risen wrote: And why have I been chosen amongst these "others" that haven't done garb? I've certainly been around more, and I like to think I've contributed a nice amount. I haven't made giant posts, but I've been here pointing out scummy things. People just haven't really responded to me. You haven't responded to me. You just trumpet that because I don't have X number of posts or something I'm scum. A policy lynch for d3? Really? I always seem to come back to bad or scum arguments. Why don't you actually scum hunt? Is it because you're scum and can't? Town players build a case or point out scummy things in other people's play. Really, read his filter. There is nothing in there. Nowhere is there any real explanation for his votes. No real cases. The only thing I could like is his pressure on CC. But what did that accomplish? CC's counterpressure is actually more impressive... What Risen has done this game is not towny AT ALL. It's easy to target the one who is attacking you. But in this case, I think that the fact that he targets me clarifies how scummy he is. He is certainly on my scum list. My views on other players will follow. Probably later this evening or tomorrow. Some townreads (on who I will not elaborate further unless requested): Clarity, rayn, Axle | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Risen is town. Are you certain of this? =( | ||
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On September 06 2013 08:52 austinmcc wrote: Felkyr, why is risen's short stuff worse than anyone else's short stuff? Is the only thing that pulls him out of the herd the fact that he's attacking you? On the second question, I suppose so. I just discussed him first because he attacked me. Regarding the first question, I'm not sure as I haven't read a lot of filters lately, especially of the less active people. But scummy is scummy, doesn't matter how other people act. I'll use this opportunity to discuss you. Although Austin has even less post than Risen, there is more content in them. The middle post are mostly useless stuff about BM and that kind of things, but the first ones were good (compared to Risen). These are at least posts with some thoughts in them. Now, he seems to be bringing more effort in again, which might to due to the fact that the game is getting smaller. Still, his filter is short, and does not give me any significant inklings either way. I would like to see some more actual analysis from him. The sleeper cell stuff is interesting, and I figure we'll have to wait how he acts from here. I would say pretty null atm, but it could change fast if he puts in more effort (which he should). Conclusion: Risen's short stuff is worse than your short stuff. | ||
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In any case, I'll discuss OO and DB now. Coming soonish. | ||
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On September 06 2013 13:53 debears wrote: oh, and that you would try to get me lynched when you can just shoot me since you don't think I'm actually scum (or have any evidence of it) On September 06 2013 13:56 Risen wrote: Yup, worst day vig claim I've ever seen. Why not just shoot debears instead of force us to waste a lynch between you two. ##unvote ##vote: ObviousOnce Wait, wouldn't it always be better to first try to lynch someone before you shoot him? In the least you get more information. | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:09 Risen wrote: No. He should know the person staring him down is scum and/or incompetent town with a horrible read. Shoot the man and move on. And it's good to blindly shoot town who happened to have a bad read? Everyone in this game should have been shot already then. | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:22 Risen wrote: OO is the lynch now. The fact that there's a 24 hour delay on his power and no 24 hour or beginning of day restriction on debears power is absurd, but we have to deal with it. If debears lives past 24 hrs OO was lying. If he dies well lets not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Ok, really need to sleep after this. But a lynch on a townie is worse than a wasted lynch. Are we sure OO really used the power yet (if he has it)? It would be nice if we got a host confirmation or something... like the duel. | ||
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