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+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
geript
Needs to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing.
geript is your typical low-hanging fruit / lynchbait townie, as he often is. let me rephrase what you've said here geript: "keeps begging for a gun, has stuck his neck out and stated who he wants to kill, even if he hasn't fully reasoned it though. We're less than 24 hours in the game, and geript is being his usual non-seriosu stuff. He is being very active and trying to at least make some contact with every player!" well shit now he sounds like not a good lynch huh
In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:
On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:
There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them.
If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:You know who's a good lynch? Cephiro check out dis shit Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 13:28 Cephiro wrote:On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him. If you're going into the territory of "meta", by trying to say that "that's not how he usually trolls / that's not his town-trolling", you shouldn't even play Mafia. Or is this the point where I accuse you of trying undermine me and my intelligence by false claims and giving you an out, not having to explain yourself? Cephiro claims that he can't deal with a meta of trolls, but doesn't want to admit that to do otherwise is to policy lynch trolling. I'm not saying I'm not down for that, but if you gotta call a horse a horse and say "I dont' like geript's style, so even though I don't think he's scum, I want to lynch him anyways" if that's what your'e doing.
You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote:His interaction with VA, although it seems at first to be the classic "overzealous townie" style, is in fact far more insidious. Take a look: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:40 Cephiro wrote:
You keep claiming you are not scum, but you never even mention the thought you could be town. You are clearly a 3rd party afraid of me. Care to elaborate on your reasons to play very pro-town? Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:48 Cephiro wrote:
See, you're not even trying to deny it. You're clearly NOT TOWN. Unless you provide a very good reason how you are of benefit for the town, you should be killed. Why should we keep anyone not town around otherwise?
OK so what is going on here? Well, VA is, well, kinda joking around and posted and acrostic saying "I AM NOT SCUM". Was it worth his time? No. Was it useful to town? No. Is it a scumtell? I don't really see why. The fact that he wrote "i am not scum" rather than "i am town" isn't like a scumslip or anything, that's just how he chose to phrase it. Cephiro is going all lou ferrigno on this guy for phrasing his claim to be town differently. This isn't overzealous townie, this is someone trying to play overzealous townie. overzealous townies cling to hard to certain pieces of evidence, go over the top, and push/tunnel hard, but almost always these pieces of evidence are pieces of evidence that make sense. Cephiro doesn't make sense. The fact that he is loud, or that he tried pushing a relatively defenseless player (geript) should not be mitigating factors. Let's lynch him. ##vote Cephiro
I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.
Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.
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On August 31 2013 03:36 kitaman27 wrote:
You appear to infer that BH has malicious intentions by "twisting your words" and trying to "paint you as anti-town", but you never really come out with an accusation that he is scum. What is your opinion of him?
Knowing how long he's played here and how good he can be, I'd expect more of him. He clearly twists my words, but that is something that can happen easily when you are trying hard to pressure someone. You start seeing your thoughts as the absolute word and thus twist everything someone says into such matters.
I've had a very neutral read on him so far, but his case makes him look slightly worse to me. I wouldn't go as far as calling him anti-town yet.
On August 31 2013 03:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
don't worry, the fact that cephiro even felt the need to respond to that case gives you back some points
In my opinion, a townie should not neglect a case on them however bad it is, especially if some things are painted in a way which could be misunderstood compared to the original intentions. I don't know about you, but in my opinion I'd look much more scummy if I just let it slide by when no-one else seemed to take much note of it.
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On August 31 2013 04:09 Onegu wrote:
I win with town, but it tells me to be careful in qt as apature science may have infiltrated it.
1) Does your whole faction win with town, or is it you only?
I'm curious if Black Mesa is a group of people with different objectives.
Do you know everyone else in the faction, or did you just slip your identity by mistake. (Meaning others would know yours, but you don't know theirs?)
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On August 31 2013 07:04 yamato77 wrote:Caught up, things to reply to: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 01:14 Cephiro wrote:Alrighty. It seems like there has been some interesting discussion going on. I very strongly think that unless the situation is extremely favourable for town, everyone except town should be killed. What I mean is, different 3rd parties are just as good as scum to me. geriptNeeds to be killed. Keeps begging for gun, has listed several people he would like to kill without proper reasoning. If he's town, he needs to step up and become serious. In my opinion, he hasn't shown any intent of playing pro-town. He tries to make some kind of contact with almost everyone, yet it's all non-committing. yamato77A general bad vibe. Flip-flops on WaveOfShadow. It feels like he's trying to establish a connection without content, as he doesn't want it to be a raised issue. + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2013 22:31 yamato77 wrote:
Calm down, WoS. I just told you I'm not that interested in you atm. It is impossible to say for sure yet, but a possibility is that he's trying to create a false sense of communication with a scumbuddy. There are many times when the scum player can be found not for his connections, but for the lack of them. VayneAuthorityShow nested quote +On August 30 2013 16:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
No I don't think he's scum yet but that he would be a good shot. This single sentence alone (references to his opinion about me), is enough for me to raise my suspicions. If you're town, why would you want to kill someone that you think isn't scum? Especially without delving further into the matter, or not even mentioning if he thinks I could be a 3rd party? What I feel from this line is fear. And town does not need to fear me. There is a ton of people flying under the radar at the moment, but for now there isn't very much to do about it. I'll be more than happy to pressure them, but given what we have seen already there are more urgent matters at hand. @KoshiMay I please have your item? My powers exceed it's. I will forward it to anyone that town wants the next day. Calls me scum for my interactions with WoS that look like scum interacting with scum, but doesn't think WoS is scum in the same post. Bullshit. Would lynch.
Ooh. Please point out where I called you scum? Neither did I mention my thoughts about WoS with a single word. Talk about putting words into my mouth. I'm hoping you're just a bad town omgusing, but that is a very eager defense over something so little.
Why do you think kita is scum?
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EBWOP: Read your sentence about kita. Got anything else to add on him?
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Pretty much the same as about four hours ago. I haven't seen him do about anything properly yet. I may have had my expectations about his play too high I fear, as I have got close to nothing useful off him. He looks a little worse than neutral to me, but his behaviour seems more of bad town play rather than scum. I need to see more from him, but for now I don't consider him enough of a threat compared to a few others to concentrate on.
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On August 31 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
If geript is scum, isn't this a really bad time to claim unlynchable? Why did he do it as scum?
One possibility could be is that his powers have to do with people voting on him. I would imagine town has many other possibilities than just lynching to get rid of someone, thus it may very well be that he's baiting votes on himself to cause us trouble.
Or then he's just being in-your-face daring. In any case, it can be dealt with by night actions if we'd rather decide to do so.
Have you thought about giving me the item?
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On August 31 2013 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
He could be hoping to avoid being lynched in hopes of being vigied instead, and his team has a mafia medic they can just use on him (since he'll be catching N1 bullets). Alternatively, he could be a weird 3p role that wants to get... shot? Certainly in the example of a non-lynchproof non-town geript there are many reasons he might want to just live through D1 and make it to N2.
Is this pure speculation or are you slipping?
Let's assume he is mafia and mafia has a medic. Why would this assumed mafia trade information of their powers for one KP really? If I was scum, I certainly wouldn't give info about my team's roles so easily.
On August 31 2013 07:37 Koshi wrote:
I'll give it to you or to Clarity. I'll give it to somebody who asks for it. Randomize if needed.
I'd prefer you didn't give it to anyone else unless they can make use of it in a pro-town way like me. Just saying.
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Your faith in me shall be rewarded. ^^
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@HiroPro
Which players are brown?
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On August 31 2013 07:55 HiroPro wrote:Clarity and strong. I haven't found the others yet, but I will!
Would you mind if I received the item? I think we can work together. You seem to hate red as much as I do. Who would you kill if your target was to be Aperture Science?
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On August 31 2013 08:05 HiroPro wrote:
I think it's fairly obvious that I want to kill BH right now -_-
I'd prefer to get the item first.
Assumed so, wanted to make sure. Any other targets?
I am thinking you would use the item for good, but of course the safest choice for me is to vouch for myself.
Let us assume a situation where you are given this "Null Talisman". You must have powers that either use it or are stronger than it. You wouldn't want it otherwise. Do you want this specific item, or are you fine any random item? If you are given the item, would you be able to eliminate a target in exchange?
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On August 31 2013 08:14 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 08:08 Cephiro wrote:
Let us assume a situation where you are given this "Null Talisman". You must have powers that either use it or are stronger than it. You wouldn't want it otherwise. Do you want this specific item, or are you fine any random item? If you are given the item, would you be able to eliminate a target in exchange? I'd rather not reveal stuff like this right now. For obvious reasons.
Alright, I understand. I hope you'd agree with me receiving the item before the end of the day though, but I'll not pursue you further about this unless something comes up.
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@Axle
I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three.
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EBWOP: My vote on you* -_-
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What I mean is, if you're going to stick with those 3 people as your "trusted ones" for shenanigans, I will vote on you instead.
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On September 01 2013 07:19 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote:
What I mean is, if you're going to stick with those 3 people as your "trusted ones" for shenanigans, I will vote on you instead. Why? Does that mean you dont trust them? (BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) That you now dont trust me because I chose them? If you vote for me instead then they cant so safely swap to vote for me? If you are town please dont do that (swap to vote for me) if you are scum (and not one of those three VE Clairty BH ) feel free to vote for me.
Yes, it means there are people I don't trust enough in there. However, if your tricks are of such manner they cannot cause anti-town to gain a benefit, then I don't mind. But you're clearly looking for people you trust, which is why I'm assuming there is something that can go wrong.
On September 01 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
...if you had read it you'd know that I am unquestionably town atm.
Since when? I've read it multiple times and I do not agree with this statement.
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My vote has been on geript since almost the start.
I wish you would pick other persons instead of VE & BH. Especially BH. I'm perfectly fine with clarity.
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On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia
Not the amount. The content.
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On September 01 2013 08:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia Not the amount. The content. when geript flips scum you will bow down before me
That has nothing to do with bowing down to you. I want geript to die just as much. I do not buy his claim.
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