Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 - Page 159

VisceraEyes: Pretty much confirmed 3p. Scum is winning so he's probably playing with that in mind but he's claiming he's playing for a town win. Not a good lynch either way.

Alakaslam: Seriously guys. How the fuck did we not lynch him last night?!? This guy is scum. He started d1 with an anti-town item, which he used to screw with a town plan. He has done no scumhunting and his "final will" was a bunch of useless townreads.
debears: So much scum. He just doesn't care this game, and town debears cares. Like, a lot. He flipped 3p survivor in Desert and has 1000% effort in that compared to this. His martyr post is a cheap grab for towncred since no one is dumb enough to say yes to that plan, and debears knows it.
randombum: Scum. Lack of posting but not a lurker. His Risen vote close to lynch and interaction with me makes me more confident in this read.
MrZentor: Obviously I was wrong about the scumslip, geript flipped town. That said, the only reason I dropped my pressure on him was because of Cephiro's "I have my reasons to believe zentor is town" which I'm putting less and less weight behind. Reread my case on him please. Notice how little he does the moment the pressure on him is gone.

Oatsmaster: Just a very weak performance so far. He got mislynched in Desert for the same reason so I'm not THAT confident in this. The biggest red flag is his scumread on me, with the only explanation "that he's putting forth" being that I wanted someone lynched more than geript. He implied he had other reasons but he's never mentioned me again.

Shiaopi + WoS: They have townreads on eachother because they're masoned so I'm just putting them here together. I thought shiaopi was scum n1 but I expect if WoS is town he'd have him figured out by now. Just gotta wait for one of them to flip I guess?

HiroPro: townread on slam?? I really didn't like his lynch on d2 and just based on the people that were trying to get hiro lynched I want to keep him alive. Having a hard time getting a concrete read on the guy, though.

Austin: Probably closest to scumread out of my null read list. A "silent" vote on slam is suspect as fuck but then again it was on slam. Need an explanation out of him.

Cephiro: No idea anymore. His Oats tunnel accomplished nothing, nor did it look like he was TRYING to accomplish anything with it. His "Oats/vayne/rayn are scum!" suggests he's not really reading the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have a scumread on vayne, let alone rayn (pokemon.) I read him as town for most of d1/n1 but I'm second guessing myself. Good cop target. His last second vote switch is so weird to me, but explanation made sense. Also scum or delusional for claiming scum will shoot him tonight, if he gets shot I dunno what the fuck to think.

Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more.

Felkyr: His opening post was pretty bad, but after people prodded him he came in with some clear effort which is more likely town. His vote on hassy was weird, but I guess it's just a newbie mistake.

On September 06 2013 04:08 austinmcc wrote:
Like, that's a silly claim from Onegu if it's not truthful, although slam claims not to have visited kita. So I dunno why he just claims out of nowhere with a multi-person check if it isn't real.

If he saw those guys visit, and someone killed kita, then either scum DID frame someone, and alakaslam would make a solid target, or one of them delivered the kill. And even if alakaslam was framed, he's claimed to have visited ShiaoPi and rbed him out of the blue, and ShiaoPi claims the block.

You think slam is town, so you think....he rbed Shiao for a reason? Or ... Shiao is scum and alakaslam is lying for fun and Shiao confirms it even though now he knows he's lying and someone knows?

On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:


Explain why if you think he is.

On September 06 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote:
Axle...eh?

On September 06 2013 10:15 AxleGreaser wrote:


I was actually writing that post wrote a whole bunch of questions and thinking in the redacted section... then realised I was sounding out the ground for Cheesecake.

Cheescake needs to explain himself in the other thread.

I then also realised your post had prompted me to think. I thought it might be good to flag that you ought stop too.

On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:



@OBVIOUS.

it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question...

NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle.

So I want an answer from the information you had at that time....

##unvote: Alakslam

##vote: ObviousOne

yeah i am serious ...
yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing)
yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too)

I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this."

I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town.
As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post...

You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town?

On September 05 2013 06:28 Cephiro wrote:
To gamble or to not gamble, that is the question.

On September 06 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
...

On September 06 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote:

Can't respond to an ellipsis. What is it?

On September 06 2013 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you talk with Cephiro?

On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:

Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him.
1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos
2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles.
This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either.
This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either.
3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town.
This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming.

Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip.

On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:


Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn?
or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?)



Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that....
based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either."
before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either."
Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM?

Re: 3
I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing.
As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read.

On September 06 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance.

##Vote: debears

Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there.

On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote:


##Nirvana Stirke: ObviousOne

This guys is the scum. Lynching for "functionality" and not scum