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On September 04 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role.
Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting".
On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"?
For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation. The role PM is pretty ambiguous, but any role such as a tracker/watcher/PGO that I've ever seen is always triggered by targeting, with the exception of a roleblock. Hassy stated that he had to target VE via PM to a host, so it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't show up as "VE was targeted with the Dice of Fate" or whatever it may be. I'll try to clarify with GreYMisT if he is able to comment.
Hopefully greymist will answer, because those are fundamentally different roles imo. If hassy uses "dice of fate" would you get back different responses from greymist depending on what the diceroll is?
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On September 03 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 17:14 cakepie wrote:
If stutters actually used his ability, then it would have affected onegu instead. What bugs me about this is that we haven't heard from stutters all day.
Also Onegu can you give us the timestamp of the discussion between you and stutters in the BM QT? Nope not allowed to give timestamps or quotes. You will have to trust me.
Can you say if this discussion happened before or after Hiro's list post? ( August 31 2013 02:44 KST - about 18h into the game)
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On August 31 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Posting logs from qts is not allowed. You can paraphrase and refer to what is said there, but not quote or reveal timestamps from it.
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kitaman27
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I've always thought that's a silly rule.
If you come to a conclusion based on knowledge that is available to you, you shouldn't be forced to keep it secret -_-
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kitaman27
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s&b, in the event that Hassy were to flip town, would you want to lynch Vayne for his reaction to the claim?
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aight sorry, I mistakenly thought the rule was only against exact copy/paste replication.
anyhow we have like 9 hours; as various other players have been exhorting, time to consolidate.
I can vote geript. On D1 I wasn't sure about calling bluff on his "unlynchable" claim; it was wanting to help support axlegreaser's plan that tipped the scales for me. But his behavior D2 leaves no doubt that he doesn't give a shit about being pro-town. In contrast I'm less worried about alakascum, he's "less harmful" and can't repeat his item shuffle shenanigans; we can get him later if need be, although he's an alright second lynch if there's no consensus otherwise. Waiting to see what hosts say about the role/action interaction vis kita/hassy.
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kitaman27
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From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.
Does anyone think it makes sense for Hassy to claim medic on a failed protect as town, even if my role doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do?
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I think that Hassy isnt telling us everything about his role.
Also, it doesnt make sense as scum for him to do it right?
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Remember it is now double plurality lynch. You got to consolidate on 2 targets. So it would be great if you name your top 2 scumreads and not only 1.
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kitaman27
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Hassy can we get a full role claim from you? Preferably sooner than later if you are town.
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On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.
Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia?
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kitaman27
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On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia?
A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role.
Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear.
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On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia?
The question is. Is it more likely that "The D6" starts in scumhands or that scum has powerful roles to find+steal items. I am not hearing too many people complaining about their items and Alakaslam his shitty use of the D6.
But Alakaslam his entire Day 2 is around defending himself for using that item. I think he is scum and knew he had to do that after using his item, and he was prepared to do so. A smart townie would defend himself but would also scumhunt.
If I would be a silly scummer, I would use the item, and then think for the entire night on how I should defend myself, when it is day and I get flak I start defending myself.
If I was a townie I would be looking for scum after my town buddy Blazinghand died to avenge him. I would try to nail geript to the cross, make sure he gets lynched. I would NOT use a silly item as retribution to teach everybody a lesson and ignore the scummer that killed my buddy. The only time he mentioned geript is scum is to defend himself against me because I accused Alakaslam that he knows that geript is town...
tldr: Lynch Alakaslam. He is scum.
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LYNCH ALAKASLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Koshi is the aspect of justice
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kitaman27
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Looking back at the night hits, VE is a common town n1 hit/possible third party threat based on BM qt.
Dandel was the most outspoken player against geript and a lot of people already thought he was town. Although he did post the follow scum list that may of hit a bit too close to home.
On September 01 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
geript
kita
oats
hiro
clarity
yamato as a night hit wasn't an obvious choice, but it may have been a good dodge the medic pick. He was suspicious of several people, though not too focused on a single target:
WoS, kita/Ceph/geript/Risen, Felkyr, ryan
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On September 04 2013 00:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Hassy can we get a full role claim from you? Preferably sooner than later if you are town.
Sorry, I was out picking up my mum
On August 30 2013 09:26 Hassybaby wrote:Anywho, 1-2 things before I go to bed. Turns out in the third rendition of a greymist themed game, i don't get a role focused on yugi cards, so no heart of the cards shit this time  . Luckily i am town because i suck as mafia, and i can do the standard hassy-does-shit-that-helps-win-the-game. Also, my better half is here, which always get me going (bh to those who don't know) SLEEP TIME LADS HF CYA TOMORROW
I'm the fat robot you get to play in Portal 2. One oft he Aperture Sciene testers, wanting to try out my medic gun, which is a simple medic item, but it also medic's P-body's target as well. When i was talking about my partner not being trustworthy, I was talking about P-body, because my role PM says that I've heard some nasty rumours about him and I don't trust him now.
Also, concerning VE, I contacted Grey about it, and he told me he didn't hear me say it, so I guess I didn't even take an action that night. 100% my bad because I didnt cover my bases and messages Crossfire/Grey again to confirm it.
Take that as you will
Also, to those who are asking why I even claimed to have medic'd VE in the first place, it's sorta simple. Information.
3 people died that night, one that I protected. In my head, that meant there were either 4 shots, or that there were 3, and at least one was unblockable. i thought that with the information I guessed, and the fact that it's a closed setup, we could get a good idea of what we're facing this game, especially considering we haven't had an anti-town flip yet.
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YEAH EXACTLY.
SEE KITA.
DONT LYNCH HASSY!
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Oats, for a guy claiming to not have much time for the game, you relied to that hella quickly
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well fuck, hassy's defense is "oops nevermind"?
not sure what to make of this.
ugggggggggggh
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