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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:07 GMT
#4216
On September 10 2013 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why is a claimed 3P doing more to push scum lynches than half the town atm?


Because pseudo-confirmed townies are AFK.

The fact that Mr. Z is absent pretty much confirms him scum and I can't wait to see him flip.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:08 GMT
#4217
I'm content with lynching Axle unless he claims his role and prove he's not mafia. If he claims 3P I'm lynching him, because fuck your 3P's with your separate wincons and shit.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:09 GMT
#4218
Where the fuck is Clarity? That dude could be scum too.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:16 GMT
#4222
On September 10 2013 04:15 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 10 2013 04:06 austinmcc wrote:
On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic.

And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum.
Cough. Cough cough.

No, there's a difference austin.
I have specifically said WHY I don't want to tell you certain things. I have also revealed to you guys my role and powers.

Hiro has told you guys NOTHING, and is refusing to talk. The only thing he does is get all rustled when someone looks into his filter and accuses him of something.
And yet I find myself wanting to lynch both you AND hiro. You've absolutely not been revealing in your roles and powers.

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can further prove my survivor claim is completely real but there is a chance I could still survive this so I'd REALLY rather not reveal anything more if I can avoid it. Suffice it to say, I don't have any powers anymore, and never really used them. I was an antivoter and due to specific conditions was only able to use it D1 but obv Geript fucked that up.

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 10 2013 02:17 austinmcc wrote:
On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:
Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully:

+ Show Spoiler +
If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.

If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.

The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot



WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't?

Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I?
Ungrateful fucking town.
Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off.

You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out.

Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all?

I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way.

Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor.
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline.
If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target.



You're an antivoter, under some circumstances. That's all you've revealed. You say you're a 3P neutral sometimes-antivoter who also knows VE's role and what he does. Very forthcoming.


We ain't lynching us no WoS. Stop wanting to lynch people that are stupid to lynch and lynch scum instead.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:21 GMT
#4230
On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.

It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.


He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up.

I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:24 GMT
#4233
On September 10 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 04:03 HiroPro wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah. I remember Hiro's argument being "we get nothing because there will be no-flip and we can't tell anything about voting patterns etc etc..".

That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc.

It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town.

I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip.

Yeah you are right, it was someone else who said something along the lines. I can't fucking find it. Probably Mr.CC as i did talk with you guys near the lynch.


I did create the no-lynch talk, but I was fairly content with lynching Randombum. I did think no flip was mafia favored and paranoid about it.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#4239
On September 10 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we just forget about the vigi thing and lynch randombum? The dude has done nothing all game.


I'm fine with lynching either Axle or Randombum given the circumstance.

Choo-fucking-choo baby.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:31 GMT
#4244
On September 10 2013 04:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 04:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 10 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.

It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.


He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up.

I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in?
They also traded votes on each other D2 before Hiro voted Hassy.

It's the thing that gives me the most pause, but "Hiro is scum and he and OO just bussed each other for funsies" fits the bill a lot more to me than "Hiro is town and doing scummy stuff."

Seriously. Read the posts on him. Read his actual filter.



Doing HW, am lazy, he hasn't done much besides Chezinu anyway.

Lynch bum or axle bro.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:39 GMT
#4250
Why are two claimed 3P's fighting?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#4266
At this rate, Felkyr might end up just getting modkilled. I believe there was a green check on him, yes.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#4269
Cake, fellow pastry, are you comfortable with lynching Randombum today? It seems the two wagons are really randombum and Hiro.

Axle aside, of course.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:09 GMT
#4273
On September 10 2013 05:07 Cephiro wrote:
Why would you lynch random if this cell-thing can potentially clear him as town or confirm him as scum? Was there some possible hole in thing which is why we should go for the lynch instead?


Rayn thinks that Random, if he's the other pokemon man, can only die by lynch. I like the idea of just shooting him with the cell, but Idk about all these shenanigans with the pokemon.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#4275
On September 10 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't why Axle couldn't be pokemans guy since, you know, HE WON'T CLAIM


This point, it is good.

@Stutters I do think Austin is town
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:23 GMT
#4282
On September 10 2013 05:18 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 10 2013 04:31 Risen wrote:
Rayn why are you defending Hiro so hard right now?

We have Hiro who is scummy, this is agreed on by everyone
Rayn who had a conceivable mistake in his green claim on me, but hasn't done anything all game and is defending Hiro
and Randombum who also hasn't done anything all game

what are you talking about, i have been wanting to lynch randombum two day phases in a row?
I am not against Hiro lynch.


Why exactly have you been trying to hard to get me lynched for 2 day cylces. You haven't posted a single reason outside of what you said over 6 days ago. All you do is keep shouting "Lynch randombum!"

I point out reasons that not only have you also been useless rayne, but what you have tried to do has been actively anti-town, but nobody cares.

The only reason it looks like I'm more of a candidate today than you is because I don't say every 2 hours "Lynch Rayne!"

This is why I hate playing town as mafia. Nobody cares what you say or how you say it. It only depends on how often you say something. Whenever I get town scum always targets me as a easy mislynch and I always catch them doing it, but it doesn't matter because I'm not around to yell it out often enough. When I try to do something nobody reads it or responds to it. Except cakepie. He's 100% town in my eyes.

Can somebody actually point to something rayne has done besides pokemon, yell to lynch me with no reasoning, or anything in general that helped town?

For god sakes he's one of the 2 players in the game who both didn't vote for slam and voted dabears. The other has (felkr) a green check on him.


Is Hiro mafia?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#4299
On September 10 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 05:42 austinmcc wrote:
As far as I can tell, the ONLY reason is that MAYBE he is a pokeman master, based on absolutely nothing.

No, the reason is that he is scum.


Shooting scum is acceptable too.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:47 GMT
#4302
Austin is there any reason we can't shoot somebody else at night.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 20:49 GMT
#4306
On September 10 2013 05:49 austinmcc wrote:
Because if we lynch him and shoot other, two chances to hit scum/3P, two chances to hit town.

If we lynch other and shoot him, two chances to hit scum/3P, one chance to hit town.


Have you considered #YOLO?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 21:12 GMT
#4328
On September 10 2013 06:12 austinmcc wrote:
Has he done anything as part of this plan other than crushing Zentor? Put yourself outside the plan (if you're town).

If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor.

If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor.


Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything.


Did Hiro ever question hammering Zentor? Was he apprehensive about it? Or was it LOLHAMMER
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 21:16 GMT
#4333
On September 10 2013 06:15 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:12 austinmcc wrote:
Has he done anything as part of this plan other than crushing Zentor? Put yourself outside the plan (if you're town).

If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor.

If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor.


Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything.


Did Hiro ever question hammering Zentor? Was he apprehensive about it? Or was it LOLHAMMER


Pretty sure it was LOLHAMMER.


If that's the case, I'm positive they are opposite alignments unless Hiro is godly scum.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 21:24 GMT
#4345
On September 10 2013 06:24 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
But Hiro and Axle are terrible lynches. Axle really does not look like scum to me, and Hiro will be cleared if zentor flips scum.
How about some shenanigans and we lynch Risen?


On what fucking planet does a town Clarity say red MrZ confirms Hiro as town?


If Mr.Z flips red, I'd consider Hiro pretty damn townie.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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