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On September 10 2013 05:16 austinmcc wrote:
Cephiro, specific question.
Why give Zentor an item if you want him dead?
This is answered in my upcoming response, I will quote a part of it:
"2. I wanted to hear what Zentor claimed to do N3, as well as his reaction to using my item. Knowing what item I gave him, his reaction doesn't make any sense. Scales tipped over in favour of shooting him, so I wanted Hiro to kill him.
Explaining my item giving more in-detail:
If I ended up deciding Zentor was scum: HiroPro would kill Zentor with the crusher and thus gain the item, enabling my plan to continue as I wanted it to. (Unless Hiro & Zentor both wanted to disobey / fuck me up, then that would've sucked big time.)
If I ended up deciding Zentor was town: HiroPro would have used the crusher on another target of my choice, and Zentor would have used the other item and lived on happily.
I considered outcomes, and decided that the risk of worst-case scenario was small enough for the profits to be worth it."
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Also you are not going to lynch HiroPro unless you want to mess with my plan on purpose. Which is not a very pro-town thing to do.
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On September 10 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 05:24 Cephiro wrote:
Also you are not going to lynch HiroPro unless you want to mess with my plan on purpose. Which is not a very pro-town thing to do. Now how does this mess with your plan?
I should tell you because?
I don't understand why you are constantly trying to get everyone to claim their roles and reveal what they do. It's like you want every single piece of information to be all in the open (at least those of your choice), which I can't understand why someone would do that as town. It's not making you look good in my eyes at all.
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Also random thing I just noticed: Everywhere it says 15 players are alive and there are 8 required for majority. I calculate 16 players alive (VE is considered alive no?). Is this a mistake by mods or is this on purpose?
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On September 10 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because pretty much everyone has claimed their roles already.
You are saying we should not lynch one of the main candidates because of "Cephiro's plan is ruined", you don't want to tell the plan, you are not giving us nothing. That is pro-town right?
I see that me, clarity, random, hiro, felkyr and axlegreaser have not claimed roles. That's more than a third of the remaining players. I'm not telling you the plan because I don't want scum messing with it. I fail to see how that is pro-town? Obviously my actions so far have been quite pro-town, no?
I've given town all I've could so far, and I'm trying to give more, yet you want that not to happen? I don't see why Hiro is one of the main candidates anyway.
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On September 09 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie?
I find it extremely unlikely that he is scum and used it on a townie. We'll see what Zentor flips soon enough, although I'm fairly certain it will be red. There are reasons I took this risk which I won't delve further into, but by the way he acted and used it to my request, I think I played my cards fairly well.
On September 10 2013 00:14 Stutters695 wrote:
3p is town for all intents and purposes unless we determine they're wincon revolves around killing.
I do not agree with the above statement.
On September 10 2013 00:54 Clarity_nl wrote:
Cephiro why give the crusher to hiro instead of using it yourself?
Think about the most obvious reason you wouldn't use a KP given to you. (Hint: I couldn't use it. The amount of facepalm was strong.)
I cba to put all the formatting right so I will respond like this.
1. Why I did not use the crusher myself was simply because I couldn't. (As said above.)
2. I wanted to hear what Zentor claimed to do N3, as well as his reaction to using my item. Knowing what item I gave him, his reaction doesn't make any sense. Scales tipped over in favour of shooting him, so I wanted Hiro to kill him.
Explaining my item giving more in-detail:
If I ended up deciding Zentor was scum: HiroPro would kill Zentor with the crusher and thus gain the item, enabling my plan to continue as I wanted it to. (Unless Hiro & Zentor both wanted to disobey / fuck me up, then that would've sucked big time.)
If I ended up deciding Zentor was town: HiroPro would have used the crusher on another target of my choice, and Zentor would have used the other item and lived on happily.
I considered outcomes, and decided that the risk of worst-case scenario was small enough for the profits to be worth it.
3. No N1 shot because I could not shoot N1.
4. I couldn't even get Oats or Vayne lynched as much as I pushed for them, why would the scum shoot someone that is of no threat? Of course they wouldn't know my abilities, and I think they were just counting on saving me for a later mislynch. But I will confirm I have not been informed of a single roleblock, shot, or protection on me.
On September 10 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro can you confirm this? What did Hiro do on N1?
I have not the slightest idea. I doubt anyone but himself knows.
About my plan: Most of it has been done, but I won't go into details about what will still happen. One thing I can share which anyone already knows by reading, Hiro will gain item X by killing Zentor, and I want him to use it N4.
About my role: I could not shoot on N1. I will not claim anything further about my role.
General stuff: Why all the rolefishing?
Caught up pretty much. At the moment I would most preferably lynch Axle.
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On September 10 2013 05:54 randombum wrote:
Ceph, can you clarify something for me, you gave a kp to hiro under the assumption he would do what you said? Do you have 100% faith hiro is town?
Yup. He was my most certain townread at that time, so obviously I would give the kp to him. I am 99.9% certain he is town or pro-town 3P.
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On September 10 2013 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Cephiro's plan makes no fucking sense. In case Hiro is scum and Zentor is town scum just nuked a townie and got another item and Cephiro is the one to blame.
Yup. That is indeed the case. Would you like to suggest a better way of action I could have gone with?
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So you think I should die because I think Hiro is town? Oh god. Thank god you're a 3P and not town, I'd hate you even more for that otherwise.
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On September 10 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, sorry Risen for losing my temper, but you are not helping atm.
Cephiro why do you have such a strong town read on Hiro?
I know his play certainly hasn't been the most pro-town, but I still see posts that are aimed for the best of town every once a while. He seemed like someone I could trust to do what I wanted, and he did exactly that. (And I'm expecting him to continue as I instructed.) Sure, he could be scum that is just owning me like a fool, but I think once Zentor flips we'll see more into that. If Zentor flips scum as I assume he will, it is extremely unlikely for Hiro to be scum (although it still is an possibility.)
At the moment I am believing him very much to be town, with the small possibility of being some kind of 3P playing pro-town or town-wincon.
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On September 10 2013 06:07 austinmcc wrote:
(1) Not giving items to people you think might be scum - We're in a big themed game. We've already had someone RESURRECT. Your plan, if Zentor was scum, was to have someone openly announce in the thread that they were going to kill him at the end of the cycle. If Zentor was scum and a vet, if scum had another dayvig, if scum had a roleblock during day, if scum had all sorts of stuff, then EVEN IF Zentor was scum, your plan ends up with him having an item when he otherwise wouldn't.
As mentioned before, I took a calculated risk. Just like I did with my N2 and N3 shots. One hit town, one hit scum. You can't be afraid of using what you can unless it is extremely likely to backfire. I found this plan most likely to succeed.
I could have given item X to someone else than Zentor, yes. But giving this item to Zentor gave me a much further read onto him depending on his reaction. I could have tried to find some other townread to give it to, but it wouldn't have got me the results I wanted.
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On September 10 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so, Cephiro, what is the follow up for the plan? Another kill?
As mentioned before, I am not revealing the follow-up. A lot of things will happen sooner or later.
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He did it pretty much as instantly as possible. As I mentioned before, it is possible for them both to be scum, but if Zentor flips scum as I expect, I find it extremely unlikely for Hiro to be scum.
First of all, he did instantly just as I wanted.
Second of all, if they were both scum, they'd have two powerful items they could have used against town, which is not a bad option either.
We'll be seeing the flip soon enough and it should tell us quite a bit.
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F5ing the page constantly as I was doing that, it was far less than a minute. I would say about 20 seconds at most, although of course you won't be able to check the seconds of the post.
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On September 10 2013 06:25 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 06:22 Risen wrote:
Prior to this you warmed him up to it by saying "It has to be done instantly." So he probably knew he'd have to potentially use it on a teammate and they had probably already discussed that he would get max town cred from using it instantly as instructed.
Town Cephiro isn't stupid, and I'm not the smartest person to ever play this game. This is three year old logic and not pointing it out is scummy as shit. So scum team MrZ, Cephiro, Hiro?
I can't describe my feelings with words alone. Obviously I must have shot one scumbuddy, gave items to two others, just so that the second one could kill the third one with that item.
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EBWOP: I fail at linking pictures -_-
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On September 10 2013 06:28 Risen wrote:
Expand on that, please. You're the distant third scum read I have right now, and it's only because I can't fathom town Cephiro being so incompetent.
Under your assumption the scumteam is Cephiro/MrZentor/HiroPro:
So you're saying that I would have shot Coagulation (scum), given two items publicly to 2 other scum teammates, only to tell HiroPro to kill Zentor with the item, to gain them both, thus leaving only me and HiroPro alive with one item.
#YOLO #BestScumPlayEver
I'm not going further into this topic, I hope you understand how retarded that is. If you consider me a smart player, and like most people here know I'm better as scum than town, I think you can see I'd never do that if I was scum.
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In that case, either WaveOfShadow or the killer of VayneAuthority would have that item. I have not seen Wave claiming it, I do not believe he has one. I assume scum killed Vayne, I am sure they would have used the item already. I would have used mine instantly on D3 if I could have. Thus, we can safely assume Zentor flips.
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On September 10 2013 06:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 06:39 Cephiro wrote:
In that case, either WaveOfShadow or the killer of VayneAuthority would have that item. I have not seen Wave claiming it, I do not believe he has one. I assume scum killed Vayne, I am sure they would have used the item already. I would have used mine instantly on D3 if I could have. Thus, we can safely assume Zentor flips. Wat? How do you know who Koshi gave items to? Did I miss something?
.... I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THIS SHIT. Because I got the Crusher from him, according to his role the other person should be right next to me. READ FOR GOD'S SAKE. I don't understand how you bring that theory up but won't even think it through. Either he gave it to just me (which I assume to be correct), or then the other scenario I told above.
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