Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI - Page 4

On August 17 2013 09:09 iVLosK! wrote:


"I noticed it" =/= "this is scummy". It's sorta more like what you're doing. Putting together a case on me without actually voting me. Read D1 of my first game on this site. I don't like that shit and happily lynch people who do it.

On August 17 2013 01:16 Squibbles wrote:
I can see where the suspicion might lie and the implications of me being a lurker. I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30, although I am reading up on all the posts throughout the day. If there are any questions of me feel free to ask, I am rather new so I getting use to all the terminology and what not. So far judging by the posts I am leaning town on deus but I cannot be certain and null for everyone else. It's too early for me to make an educated guess when the majority of people have yet to really reveal intentions. I'm thinking the larger players have been talked about a bit more, meaning they will always be under scrutiny, but that only helps them if they are scum. Only making that of note, not implying anything.

On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok at the computer is fun

Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:

iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.

But I think your suspicion of him has brought out something interesting Holyflare;

justanothertownie. look at this





K look at this- What are your reads JAT?!? Holyflare has asked you for your reads, this isn't the clearest thing in the world and seems pretty reserved. I mean, I understand, I can be reserved, but make a stand- if you are wrong, or someone points out it doesn't make sense, admit it and move on- But don't sheep! Make a position and defense it. (<3 WhiteRa)

Speaking of which, Yes Holyflare- I will work on my read on Deus in a minute.

On August 16 2013 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh yeah, this isn't persona 4- herple diddly skerple xD

Well then yeah like u said its what, half of one real day in. Give them some moar time.

... Yeah. But also, iVLosk not trying to stifle talk, trying to improve talk. Read deus filter anyone?

Deus please elaborate, lurking > lying for scummy? Why should town bother with lies?

On August 16 2013 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh yeah, this isn't persona 4- herple diddly skerple xD

Well then yeah like u said its what, half of one real day in. Give them some moar time.

... Yeah. But also, iVLosk not trying to stifle talk, trying to improve talk. Read deus filter anyone?

Deus please elaborate, lurking > lying for scummy? Why should town bother with lies?

On August 19 2013 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I read Deus filter again and I really don't like it.

He looked very motivated pre game and you describe him as an agressive, active townie in the last newbie game.
I don't see that at all in this game.

He started with some policy posts without saying anything. That's ok in itself but after that his activity really dropped down.
He wasn't agressive instead he asked generic questions like this:


After I mentioned that policy talk doesn't add that much he quickly backed off. Feels really defensive (although this post isn't that bad apart from that).

His scumhunting pretty much only revolved around lynching lurkers. Easy thing to do as scum.

What seems weird to me is his stance on iVLosk. First he defends him.

Then he is suspicious of him:


Shortly after that Losk is town suddenly:

But why don't vote for our townread, right?

Then there is this:

Followed by:

Finally he claims not to have known this is plurality lynch which has been stated several times in the thread. He either doesn't read the thread or this is a bad excuse for his weird voting.


I really would like to hear his reasoning for all of this. Also he should be way more active Day2 if he is town because right now I am really worried about him.

On August 20 2013 03:55 OmniEulogy wrote:


sure thin, although I'll say now most of his contradictions do point to very scummy behavior.

He starts off by saying town should be allowed to lie and we should lynch lurkers, this also means it's ok for scum to lie as he says town will never catch lying scum. Town's mindset is to catch scum lying because they NEED to lie to stay alive, not to ignore it and let anybody say what ever they want. The policy lynch for Lynch All Liars exists for that very reason. In a newbie game you don't need to fake claim your role, in fact by town lying you just add more confusion to the rest of town. Although this was just his policy talk I felt it was a very important start to his game.

He goes on to say he wants to put all the policy talk away, and follows it up by saying he's voting for a lurker because they are lurking and haven't posted. I know he's played a few games before, he knows you don't claim to cast a vote for pressure. EVERY vote should have the intention to lynch behind it. As town you want to get lurkers to contribute but you don't say "hey, this is only a pressure vote but you better start contributing or maybe it'll become a real vote!"

That is not a town oriented move. It's scum focusing on a "easy" target and being very non-committal about it on top of that. If we still had hardcore lurkers I'd bet he'd still be voting for them doing the exact same thing.

he goes on to talk to Holy and asks this question, "Yes he hasn't contributed, but do you want to make a case against him because he hasn't contributed or because he is a hypocrite?".

This isn't something town says... "yeah he hasn't contributed and he's going back on what he's saying BUT that's no reason to make a case on him!" actually... that's called scum hunting and it's exactly what town should be doing. Unfortunately this comment stops Holy and Deus effectively stops any potential attempt at town talking about it at all. Which he has done several times now. Again this is not how a townie behaves. You don't try to stop people from talking about the only leads they have to go on, you contribute and try to find something else that other people have missed. Scum try to stifle conversation and tell people that it's scummy to continue trying to scum hunt.

He has constantly been trying to work out association cases based on nothing, which although many townies unfortunately were doing, scum loves this and tries to hop in with their own, because it's pointless but it makes them seem like they are contributing.

Once people see an association case it becomes very difficult for them to think about it in another way which effectively shuts down their helpfulness. Deus was completely on board with doing just that.

his vote has been covered, but again it's scummy and there is no town benefit for him voting for a modkill. It only adds confusion.

He goes on to claim that the voting catastrophe is irrelevant to scum hunting which it certainly is not. Town tries to gather information from clusterfucks like that but he claims it's scummy to talk about it and we should just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. Makes sense considering he made the jump to Xzavier from LosK first.

Claims myself Holy and ivLosK have some sort of connection..... not really sure how.
"There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected? Why the attacks on each other?" Mmmmmmmm WIFOM bombing town is so helpful.

After everything he says about thinking I'm scummy, he then claims I'm genuine and have been actively contributing and posting and then calls Slam town. - then says JAT and myself are the scum team. Can not even make up his mind in the same post. literally has 0 direction and claims I'm trying to mislead town. Let's see what he's said...

"II. Omni, iV, and Holy

There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected?"
and
"VI. Final thoughts

I could see a possible scum team being JAT Omni."

one (two) large post which comes down to an association case based on nothing. Baffle them with bullshit guys! they won't see through the smoke. Townies don't do this crap. Scum try to lie and confuse us, they try to stop scum hunting, stop conversation, and try to convince town that everybody else is scum.

so yes, I believe Deus is scum and actively trying to mislead town by throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, he himself certainly has not stuck to one story even in the same post.

The only thing he's stayed consistent on is that the Xzavier lynch should stop being looked at. - scummy.