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Holyflare
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August 18 2013 18:50 GMT
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On August 19 2013 03:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On August 18 2013 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2013 08:05 OmniEulogy wrote:
On August 18 2013 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also find it funny that you jump on everyone voting Xzavier when everyones alternative was squibbles who also would get modkilled, totally legit reasoning... not


Squibbles said two things, I have the gift of knowing that he was town and therefore I can tell you he was either a very new, or bored townie. His two posts also indicate that and while I was reading the game before being subbed in for him my read on him was town. Why are you deflecting the subject? Squibbles didn't get voted on, if he had this wouldn't be as bad as it is. At least you could argue Squibbles had said he would contribute but never did.



I also thought he was town from what he has posted (if you actually read anything I posted, it seems you haven't). I am also not deflecting, the point you raised was that you shouldn't vote for a 0 poster, squibbles was a 2 poster with a no vote that also got modkilled, the REST of the town was on him right until the final minutes where they bandwagoned iVLosK! and then subsequently Xzavier. There was some suspicious shit there though and I'll leave it till the day before I discuss it. Not making the same mistake as my last game.


you are mistaking me asking you questions for me making a case against you. I don't need to start quoting your filter to bring up how weird your vote was and your logic behind it. However the soft town claim bothers me quite a bit especially with how the game has played out so far.


Why I think Holy is scummy.

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On August 17 2013 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care

Stuffz going down:

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On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.



Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++

Would like to hear more when he's back from work.

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Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps.
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On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
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On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

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On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.



I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now


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Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this:

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On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098

Check my reads.

Why? You are suspicious?


Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D

I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player.

On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest.



however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam.

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What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far:

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On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 12 2013 03:15 iVLosK! wrote:
Has this game started?

Shall I begin the rape?

No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon.

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On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.


This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points.
I spare thee, and await further posts.



This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy...

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On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 16 2013 07:16 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Because he makes it look like is very experienced and after playing one game this seems odd to me. I would like to know if he is just a show off or actually not really a newbie because it might influence my read on him later on.


If I had to guess I would lean slightly townie on iV because of his aggressive first post (not counting the rap). Although, one post is virtually nothing to go on. Especially the first one. Your guess on iV JAT?

I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around.



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On August 16 2013 09:08 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 16 2013 08:55 Alakaslam wrote:

So here I am! I'm here off & on for a bit, any questions? I mean, I know it's early but that is kinda my point.

Yes. I am a zergling. Your thoughts?



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On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote:
Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy.



For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content.

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Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together:



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On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!



Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much.

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On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.

Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff.



I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3

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JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around.

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On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.


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I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this





First off we have this large post which looks impressive at first, then after reading it you realize it doesn't say a whole lot other than the first few posts of nearly everybody gives him a town vibe. This is behavior of somebody who wants to look like they are contributing without actually putting anything of worth into a very large post very early into the game when there isn't really much information to go on. Tries to get on the good side of multiple people and not disturb things too much.

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On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around.


JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow



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On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?

Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.

LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.


So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why

It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people


Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT?


Another scummy move is to constantly keep asking people what they think about the others and not answering or very briefly answering questions directed at yourself. This way again it looks like you are contributing when in reality it is the others doing most of the talking. Also I happen to like LosK's pointless talk as it is part of the reason I have a slight town read on him. He seems very comfortable to talk about nothing in particular which sets most scum on edge and can sometimes make him a target for others to try and attack because of it. Which you later do.

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On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:
On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare.

D' Oh.


On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway

I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too.


I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid.



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On August 17 2013 21:26 Holyflare wrote:
##Vote xzavier for now as a placeholder until something more obvious comes forward


Not a townie vote or mindset to have. As mentioned before No-Lynch is always an option. Town does not look for the "safe" or "easy" votes.

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On August 17 2013 23:48 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:
I'd like to get more reads from almost everyone, please.

My current top scum suspects, in no particular order:
Squibbles - is participating in the game, but hasn't really produced any content nor reads
iVLosK! - it seems to me that his play is different from last time, but that's weak so I'm prepared to watch him for now
reps)squishy - although he finally gave some reads that only happened after being pressured so I'm still suspicious

Had a relatively strong town read on Holyflare, but his useless (and very non-committal) vote on Xzavier makes me a little worried I might be misreading.



If he posts at 6.59 he will not be modkilled, hence the placeholder vote, it can be moved anytime I feel like it onto someone more suspicious. It is also madatory to vote for someone otherwise you will also probably be warned/modkilled, if I was to suddenly become inundated with things to do later at least my vote would be on a worthy person. It is more suspicious that people have not voted at all with only 3 hours left to go. This is also a plurality lynch meaning that the person with the most votes, not majority will be voted off. Do you really want to vote off the guy that has at least said something rather than the person that has said nothing?


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On August 18 2013 00:17 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare.

D' Oh.


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On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway

I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too.



Wasn't this the post where you said you were using it to build a 'case'? You agreed with JAT that relying on modkills would be bad so why have you gone 180 on squibbles when you originally liked his first post? (here: + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 12 2013 03:15 iVLosK! wrote:
Has this game started?

Shall I begin the rape?

No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon.

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On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.


This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points.
I spare thee, and await further posts.

) Surely it is better to vote off the lurker and hear from squibbles tomorrow in case something legitimately came up and then we can vote squibbles tomorrow if it is unsatisfactory.



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On August 17 2013 23:55 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 17 2013 23:48 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2013 23:20 LoneMeow wrote:
I'd like to get more reads from almost everyone, please.

My current top scum suspects, in no particular order:
Squibbles - is participating in the game, but hasn't really produced any content nor reads
iVLosK! - it seems to me that his play is different from last time, but that's weak so I'm prepared to watch him for now
reps)squishy - although he finally gave some reads that only happened after being pressured so I'm still suspicious

Had a relatively strong town read on Holyflare, but his useless (and very non-committal) vote on Xzavier makes me a little worried I might be misreading.



If he posts at 6.59 he will not be modkilled, hence the placeholder vote, it can be moved anytime I feel like it onto someone more suspicious. It is also madatory to vote for someone otherwise you will also probably be warned/modkilled, if I was to suddenly become inundated with things to do later at least my vote would be on a worthy person. It is more suspicious that people have not voted at all with only 3 hours left to go. This is also a plurality lynch meaning that the person with the most votes, not majority will be voted off. Do you really want to vote off the guy that has at least said something rather than the person that has said nothing?

A last second vote from Xzavier would be tantamount to admitting he is scum. If he does, we just lynch him D2. I would much prefer to allow him to be modkilled and we can see what his replacement has to say.

I much prefer reps or sqibbles for the lynch and will vote squibbles because multiple players have stated that reps is always like this.

##Vote: Squibbles





You do NOT want to accidently vote off a town member if they have contributed, even 1 or 2 posts, compared to somebody who has done none for now.

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I honestly do not understand how people can think you are acting town when you flip flop all over the place on almost every post you make:

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On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote:
Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy.



Nothing has been noted in your posts since then that implies you'd even think about modkills or squibbles voting, you just seem to be bandwagoning with no valid reason for the easy lynch.


Clearly you've had a problem with LosK all game, yet you continue to keep your vote on Xzavier, I can only assume it is to be "safe".

Lastly please don't soft claim town with a "I'm not going to post my thoughts at night, cause I might get NK'd!" after playing like shit and tunneling LosK for most of the day for play that I and a few others consider to be town aligned. It's bullshit.


My town reads are still JAT and LosK, I think if Koshi continues to play exactly as he has been I feel pretty comfortable calling him town as well. I think he's right with saying scum was on the Xzavier lynch.
I'm also leaning towards town on Lonemeow as I've really liked some of his posts, in particular these:
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On August 17 2013 17:53 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 17 2013 14:30 reps)squishy wrote:
Squibbles said I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30
Which he has not.


So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum.


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On August 18 2013 01:29 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 18 2013 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Good morning everyone. I agree with Holyflare's stance first of all
##Vote: Xzavier
As a placeholder.

However the squibbles voting is intriguing. It is a policy lynch based on what may be IRL circumstances. Is there actually something wrong with his posting, other than the lack of it?

If not, may want to reconsider...
... As according to his own deadlines, he will likely be modkilled. It is 9:15 on the west coast.

Any better reasons though? As the same goes for Xzavier... So if squib is preferable guess what


When I dropped my vote on Squibbles I was fully expecting him to speak up before the deadline as he had said he's reading the thread during EU daytime. Now that it looks like he might be modkilled/replaced just like Xzavier I'm fully prepared to switch.

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On August 18 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Indeed, iVLosK! Looks bad after reading up on HolyFlare, but are there enough reasons to voteswitch? Shall he defense hisself?


I'm fully prepared to switch to iVLosK! - as I've stated he seems to be suspiciously timid compared to his style in XLII and the point about not bringing much content that Holyflare brings up has merit.

Also, now that you're here, can I have a few reads from you?

To me this looks like a town motivated mind set. He's actively watching what people are doing and how they are reacting to things and trying to see the town/scum reasoning behind each action.

Actually by quoting these I realize Slam also voted on Xzavier as a place holder at first. wtf. Sheep placeholder at that, scummy as hell. Add that to how much his vote jumped around and he makes me pretty nervous

I think Deus looks pretty scummy as well and also mentioned he wanted a "safe" place to put his vote. After looking through his filter carefully though I no longer think he's the scummiest out of all three.



Not really sure where to begin with this, but here we go.


First off we have this large post which looks impressive at first, then after reading it you realize it doesn't say a whole lot other than the first few posts of nearly everybody gives him a town vibe. This is behavior of somebody who wants to look like they are contributing without actually putting anything of worth into a very large post very early into the game when there isn't really much information to go on. Tries to get on the good side of multiple people and not disturb things too much.


Firstly, this was right at the start of the day, not much information to go off but I wasn't around before and it is a hell of a lot more contribution than people had been doing previously, I was pointing out what people were doing differently from last game, what I liked so far and what the fuck people were thinking about iVLosK! with so much bs floating around. The top that was being talked about was peoples views on lynching lurkers and it got us nowhere, this actually got us off that stale topic and got people talking, more than anyone had done so far.



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On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around.


JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow



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On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?

Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.

LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.


So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why

It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people


Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT?


Another scummy move is to constantly keep asking people what they think about the others and not answering or very briefly answering questions directed at yourself. This way again it looks like you are contributing when in reality it is the others doing most of the talking. Also I happen to like LosK's pointless talk as it is part of the reason I have a slight town read on him. He seems very comfortable to talk about nothing in particular which sets most scum on edge and can sometimes make him a target for others to try and attack because of it. Which you later do.



You are taking all of my posts out of context, I would have asked these questions within my bigger post and then it would have seemed more reasonable, possibly to you, but maybe those people would ignore it. I wanted to see who was around before I asked the questions in the first place. I asked for 2 different people to give me their reads because I had a plan set around it to retrieve more information, so I asked people to give me reads on a person I thought was scum and a person I thought was town to see their responses.

As for IVLosK I cannot comprehend what gives you a town read on actions like that. He contributes nothing, when pressured adds nothing in his defence and was going to be lynched off with nothing valuable to save his life. What speaks town for you there? A townie should want to do everything he can to stay alive but no, nothing like that happened.


As far as the Xzavier vote goes, it is NEVER a good idea to no-lynch on the first day. EVER. Like how does that even make sense for you to say? It's practically a free night for scum to do what they want, at least with A lynch we have a 2/9 chance to hit a scum, especially with a no poster who may vote last second. I would have switched my vote to iVLosK quite happily if I was around at the time, but read into it what you will I'd rather celebrate my girlfriends birthday than tell her I have to pop out to switch my vote on mafia.



As far as my reads go, I have a lot of information from the last day that will be helpful. I will post these in a bit after I've had some time to relax.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 18:59 GMT
#542
On August 19 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, I would call you scum for failing to read my filter if I didn't think you are really inexperienced, too. Do you have any valid reason to call me scum other than that I agreed with you earlier? Seriously.


Your both votes were sheeping me and you still haven't given any scum reads, even after I asked you. There's very little in your filter that's actual new content not already stated by someone at that point. Would you mind giving me a read now so I can maybe feel a bit better about you?

To be honest, since there's probably just 2 scum and I have far scummier targets I don't really think you're scum, but it never hurts to be a little paranoid.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 19:04 GMT
#543
I gave scumreads not an hour ago. Besides that you asked me very early Day1 how could I have a clear scumread at this point? If I had THAT would have been scummy.
At the moment I think scum is between Alakaslam, Deus, iVLosk and possibly Holyflare (still investigating here).
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 19:19 GMT
#544
On August 19 2013 04:04 justanothertownie wrote:
I gave scumreads not an hour ago. Besides that you asked me very early Day1 how could I have a clear scumread at this point? If I had THAT would have been scummy.


Quite obviously no one's asking for absolutely clear scum read on anyone during D1, but it's extremely useful to have some info from everyone even if they're weak gut reads.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 19:57 GMT
#545
Actually, screw that, on further thought I think JAT is probably town, seeing how he was one of the few who bothered to take any kind of stance at all even if it was a bit sheepy one.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 19:58 GMT
#546
On August 18 2013 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
Besides what I have just written, the fact that I couldn't change my vote because I was out has given me more information for this game than just voting anyone else could have.

I would really like to hear what it is you found out.

I am not conviced HolyFlare is scum. If he really wasn't available before the lynch it is not that surprising he voted Xzavier because he couldn't have known we would wagon iVLosk. It's not a good decision but I can imagine town HolyFlare doing it. He is the one I am the least suspicious of between the xzaviervoters.
Also he is right about him being the one who really started discussion (apart from policies) Day1.

I am far more worried about the lynch bs that happened. Alakaslam and Deus changed the outcome in a very shady way. This only really makes sense if iVLosk isn't town though (or is there something I don't see?). I can't imagine Deus and Slam both being scum and thinking they would get towncred for that so they are probably not both scum.
At the moment my gut says it's iVLosk and either Deus or slam who is scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 18 2013 20:08 GMT
#547
Sigh... That vote was really stupid.

Deus man, why didn't you answer me.

I should have stayed on iVLosk or something.

Man I don't know what to make of the game yet, I have those gut reads but I want to back them up. I can't this calendar day but I will be back during this day phase (tomorrow). Stuff hast come up.

Man the consternation, watch me go from being a scumread to 100% scum just because I'm gone. That is exactly what happened to vlosk and probably why I felt bad about it- and that may actually go for deus.

What, must I be the town voice of caution or are we to go nuts lynching our own. Last couple games scum wins go figure.

But yeah srsly vlosk defend even just a little while I'm gone plz.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 20:44 GMT
#548
On August 19 2013 05:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Sigh... That vote was really stupid.

Deus man, why didn't you answer me.

I should have stayed on iVLosk or something.

Man I don't know what to make of the game yet, I have those gut reads but I want to back them up. I can't this calendar day but I will be back during this day phase (tomorrow). Stuff hast come up.

Man the consternation, watch me go from being a scumread to 100% scum just because I'm gone. That is exactly what happened to vlosk and probably why I felt bad about it- and that may actually go for deus.

What, must I be the town voice of caution or are we to go nuts lynching our own. Last couple games scum wins go figure.

But yeah srsly vlosk defend even just a little while I'm gone plz.

So do you think iVLosk is town or not? I don't understand you.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
August 18 2013 20:56 GMT
#549
I just want to leave this here for you Holy as it is part of the guides on TL.

"A common misconception in a majority lynch system is that no-lynch is bad due to the notion that flips are the only source of information. While flips are useful in confirming information, there are many cases where it is clear that town is bandwagoning a player and will lead to a mislynch. In most cases, a bandwagon lynch on a townie is not going to produce any useful information. Without serious competition for a lynch target, the mafia don’t have any incentive to either jump on or stay off the bandwagon. Unless there is insurmountable evidence that the target is mafia, a quick bandwagon usually suggests that the player is town. Don’t be afraid to no-lynch in this situation. Going with the flow and agreeing to bandwagon a townie stifles discussion and allows the mafia to coast through the day without giving up any information. It is better to force the discussion and risk a no-lynch than to go along with an obvious town bandwagon."

While this is plurality lynch the logic still applies. Why do you think no-lynch is bad? We'd still have another townie if you had done it, what a terrible thing to have right? Instead you lynched a guy who made 0 posts. what you NEVER do is lynch a guy with 0 posts. He either makes a last minute vote and gets himself killed D2 or is modkilled.

Also you were around with plenty of time to change your vote. You made your big post on him after you voted on Xzavier so enough with that bullshit, you simply chose not to move your vote.

but fine newb townie is what it seems you're going for and I can kind of see it. I can agree that Slam looks worse than you at this point anyway.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
August 18 2013 20:58 GMT
#550
Lone, I'll get to why I think JAT is town in a minute, in the middle of making dinner lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
August 18 2013 21:21 GMT
#551
JAT is my strongest town read because I believe he was probably the most consistent at trying to keep discussions going, answer questions, being active and asking people to follow up on what they were saying.

It was also that while I was just an observer in this game JAT was using the better terminology. looking for a "better" target rather than "easier" ect. I've found a lot of small scum slips in newbie games eventually come out in the wording that a lot of people tend to miss. That being said a lot of townies also do that crap -.-

He also (although should be obvious to most of us) advises people to stop talking/making association cases before we lynch scum or even see the alignment of any players.

I really liked his posting while watching the game and he has continued to not trigger any warning flags for me to consider him to be scum. He's the greenest townie we've got imo other than the two confirmed. Just like I said about you Lone I believe he's looking at things with a pretty townie mindset.

if I had to give my list of town/scum now, it's a bit different in order than before.

Xzavier
Koshi
JAT
Lone
LosK
Holy
Deus
Slam

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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 21:49 GMT
#552
Why do you think Deus and slam did what they did if iVLosk is town to you?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 21:49 GMT
#553
I mean why do you think they are scum then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
August 18 2013 21:55 GMT
#554
On August 19 2013 05:56 OmniEulogy wrote:
I just want to leave this here for you Holy as it is part of the guides on TL.

"A common misconception in a majority lynch system is that no-lynch is bad due to the notion that flips are the only source of information. While flips are useful in confirming information, there are many cases where it is clear that town is bandwagoning a player and will lead to a mislynch. In most cases, a bandwagon lynch on a townie is not going to produce any useful information. Without serious competition for a lynch target, the mafia don’t have any incentive to either jump on or stay off the bandwagon. Unless there is insurmountable evidence that the target is mafia, a quick bandwagon usually suggests that the player is town. Don’t be afraid to no-lynch in this situation. Going with the flow and agreeing to bandwagon a townie stifles discussion and allows the mafia to coast through the day without giving up any information. It is better to force the discussion and risk a no-lynch than to go along with an obvious town bandwagon."

While this is plurality lynch the logic still applies. Why do you think no-lynch is bad? We'd still have another townie if you had done it, what a terrible thing to have right? Instead you lynched a guy who made 0 posts. what you NEVER do is lynch a guy with 0 posts. He either makes a last minute vote and gets himself killed D2 or is modkilled.

Also you were around with plenty of time to change your vote. You made your big post on him after you voted on Xzavier so enough with that bullshit, you simply chose not to move your vote.

but fine newb townie is what it seems you're going for and I can kind of see it. I can agree that Slam looks worse than you at this point anyway.


My post on LosK was made after I voted yes, I wanted to see his response but I see he didn't fucking write one, I didn't expect him to sit there like a mute tool and not reply to it. The rest of what I said still holds true, nobody was voting on him yada yada.


I don't know if you are a nooby or are just kidding me about but do the math please. In a 9 player game with 2 scum, you lose upon mislynching for a third time. If you no lynch, you can only mislynch once.


There's 9 players and 2 of them contain scum so that's 7 townies left. If we no-lynch then we can only mislynch 1 time. If we lynch the first day on the 0 poster or a random person then we can mislynch up to a 3rd time. So we can gain an extra day of lynches just because we vote off the first day. Statistically it is ALWAYS better to lynch on the first night, that post you referenced implies no-lynching can be used at any time in the game which is obvious.



LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 22:12 GMT
#555
On August 19 2013 06:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think Deus and slam did what they did if iVLosk is town to you?


This is very much the key question.

If Alakaslam is scum, it's almost certain that iVLosK! is scum also, otherwise his last minute vote switch makes no sense whatsoever. Why would he switch from one townie to another just to make himself look bad? Even more so, why would he switch from a townie he knows to be reasonably strong player to another who's 0-poster?

If Deus is scum and truly believed it was majority lynch then iVLosK! could be town.

If both Alakaslam and Deus are scum their play just plain makes no sense.

If both Alakaslam and Deus are town my brain will explode from how stupid play that was, especially from Alakaslam.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
August 18 2013 22:24 GMT
#556
If we take it at face value, Deus didn't think LosK was scum and panicked, Slam was sheeping him both onto the LosK lynch and Xzavier one I believe as there isn't much of a reason given by Slam. Deus at least said "I don't think LosK is scum" or something to that effect.

The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 22:34 GMT
#557
On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
If we take it at face value, Deus didn't think LosK was scum and panicked, Slam was sheeping him both onto the LosK lynch and Xzavier one I believe as there isn't much of a reason given by Slam. Deus at least said "I don't think LosK is scum" or something to that effect.

The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.


But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 22:35 GMT
#558
Ok, I read Deus filter again and I really don't like it.

He looked very motivated pre game and you describe him as an agressive, active townie in the last newbie game.
I don't see that at all in this game.

He started with some policy posts without saying anything. That's ok in itself but after that his activity really dropped down.
He wasn't agressive instead he asked generic questions like this:
On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote:
Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie?

On August 16 2013 06:36 DeusXmachina wrote:
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On August 16 2013 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:26 iVLosK! wrote:
Using meta on noobies is usually useless, in my experience.

So, how much experience do you have? I guess you played 1 game on TL... other sites?


Why do you ask?

After I mentioned that policy talk doesn't add that much he quickly backed off. Feels really defensive (although this post isn't that bad apart from that).
On August 17 2013 03:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
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On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.



Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated!

His scumhunting pretty much only revolved around lynching lurkers. Easy thing to do as scum.
On August 17 2013 09:07 DeusXmachina wrote:
Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things:

A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1
B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention.
or the less likely
C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them.

How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk.

Why are we tolerating lurkers?




What seems weird to me is his stance on iVLosk. First he defends him.
On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote:
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On August 17 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement.


Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption.


I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking.

Then he is suspicious of him:
On August 17 2013 09:38 DeusXmachina wrote:
I am growing suspicious of iV. The way he handled holy's pressure seems scummy. He seemed more interested in discrediting Holy than actually contributing.

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On August 17 2013 09:09 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 17 2013 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2013 08:49 iVLosK! wrote:
On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:
On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare.

D' Oh.


On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway

I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too.


I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid.

I'm not sure I ever said it was scummy to avoid lurkers. So you've lost me.


JAT is saying it's scummy and you said "i noticed it too"?


"I noticed it" =/= "this is scummy". It's sorta more like what you're doing. Putting together a case on me without actually voting me. Read D1 of my first game on this site. I don't like that shit and happily lynch people who do it.



This is a good example. Attacks holy and contributes nothing to town.

On August 17 2013 10:01 DeusXmachina wrote:
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On August 17 2013 09:54 iVLosK! wrote:
On August 17 2013 09:53 reps)squishy wrote:
I am sorry I don't see where I "fucked up".
Please point it out.

On August 17 2013 09:49 reps)squishy wrote:
I read all pages so far. I am suspicious of iV. He believes in lynch all liers and also stated town has plenty of reasons to lie. Is it me or does that seem a little scummy.
Proof.
1.
On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


2.
There are plenty of reasons to lie as town. Part of this game is misleading scum about what your own abilities and intentions are.


I've bolded the obvious sarcasm for those unable or unwilling to keep up.


Seems more egotistical than sarcastic.

Shortly after that Losk is town suddenly:
On August 17 2013 13:55 DeusXmachina wrote:
Last thing before I go to bed.

I thought I would post my thoughts on day 1 so far.

I peg iV for town because he seems aggressive, and antagonistic at times, and to me these are definitely town traits.

But why don't vote for our townread, right?
On August 18 2013 02:48 DeusXmachina wrote:
##Vote: iVLosK!

Then there is this:
On August 18 2013 03:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
Yeah don't vote modkill I get it

Followed by:
On August 18 2013 03:03 DeusXmachina wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Xzavier

Finally he claims not to have known this is plurality lynch which has been stated several times in the thread. He either doesn't read the thread or this is a bad excuse for his weird voting.
On August 18 2013 08:08 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 18 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 18 2013 08:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
On August 18 2013 07:49 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:
On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up

Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well.


Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out.

so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though

I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently.

I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now.

And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody.

As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town.
JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment
slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again.

I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier.





I like how you ignore everything I've said the entirety of the game just to focus on the person I put my vote on. It was my girlfriends birthday today (went out yesterday for it/party today) so I left my vote on the safest person so far. If he posted once and voted he'd be still in the game and I would NOT be alright with that, I would 100% not be alright with wasting 2 days just so we could fucking waste another day talking about him and wasting the day on him.


That's a pretty massive issue.... the objective isn't to find the safest person to vote for and then do it as town.....

Your reason of not wanting to get rid of somebody who might contribute doesn't work in this case. Xzavier had literally not made a single post, was very likely to be modkilled and you had stronger feelings against another player but you kept your vote on him because it was safer? Am I reading that right? Safer for what? Town on D1 doesn't need to worry about what the safe vote is. if you wanted to be safe why didn't you just ##Vote:No-Lynch instead of putting it on somebody who wouldn't defend himself.

I'm fairly certain I just got that last part wrong, would a mod be kind enough to tell me/us what the correct format is to vote for a no-lynch? Thanks!



I am confused why Xzavier WAS voted off though when the 2 votes were placed after the deadline........


We didn't even have enough votes against him. It wasn't a vote off. He was modkilled. They just said he got lynched in the end of day post.


I really would like to hear his reasoning for all of this. Also he should be way more active Day2 if he is town because right now I am really worried about him.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 18 2013 22:37 GMT
#559
On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.


Maybe that was an attempt to distance from the scumbuddy, vote him and then switch to the counterwagon. Which kind of failed when a counterwagon didn't appear. Would that make sense? Or just plain bus when it seemed like he'd be the only real candidate (the wagon formed relatively close to the deadline after all).
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 18 2013 22:41 GMT
#560
On August 19 2013 07:34 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 19 2013 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
If we take it at face value, Deus didn't think LosK was scum and panicked, Slam was sheeping him both onto the LosK lynch and Xzavier one I believe as there isn't much of a reason given by Slam. Deus at least said "I don't think LosK is scum" or something to that effect.

The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum.


But why would Alakaslam sheep such a horrible vote? I could accept Deus' explanation that he thought it was majority lynch, but I can't think of any reason for Alakaslam's vote besides the one I proposed above.

Yep. That's what I don't really see either.
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