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On August 17 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement. Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption.
I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking.
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For the record I got here right when you posted that apparently
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On August 17 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, the first two posts are useless but I won't call him scum for this. The last one I don't think is crap. Those 2 players should be pressured into contributing.
He says it is pointless to post the obvious but many people obviously have asked the lurkers to speak, why is it useful to hear it a 4th time? Just because he said something you liked does not really mean it is a contribution in terms of our progression, it is a scummy move to do that and I want you to understand that for future reference. I find it interesting you aren't keen to pick up on that though
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On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement. Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption. I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking.
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
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On August 17 2013 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm talking about the posts you labeled stupid obvious btw.
I believe that was me.
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Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare.
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On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 17 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement. Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption. I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking. All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
Sure, I can get on board with that. Yes he hasn't contributed, but do you want to make a case against him because he hasn't contributed or because he is a hypocrite? We all have posts that didn't really contribute, you included
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
Let's get this thing going
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 03:57 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
Let's get this thing going Yes, let's do that. How about some policy talk to start with, what do you think about "lynch all liars" policy? Definitely lynch all liars, there's only 1 or 2 scenarios where a town would lie so it is not worth it, and yes lynch all lurkers too, unless there are obvious lynches.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 05:13 Holyflare wrote:
Stupid obvious shit in response to a question that asks for a stupid obvious response is not lynch worthy
Hell, most of that policy talk was pointless. There is no denying that he is one of the worst offenders however. I would still rather pressure xzavier or reps.
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On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare.
D' Oh.
On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too.
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Ok at the computer is fun 
Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:
iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.
But I think your suspicion of him has brought out something interesting Holyflare;
justanothertownie. look at this
On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote:JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow
On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?
Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.
LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.
K look at this- What are your reads JAT?!? Holyflare has asked you for your reads, this isn't the clearest thing in the world and seems pretty reserved. I mean, I understand, I can be reserved, but make a stand- if you are wrong, or someone points out it doesn't make sense, admit it and move on- But don't sheep! Make a position and defense it. (<3 WhiteRa)
Speaking of which, Yes Holyflare- I will work on my read on Deus in a minute.
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Ebwop actually you did put a null read on Iv.
But please clarify LoneMeow?
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On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:
iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.
I'm hurt babe. I've already examined all of your filters earlier today while waiting for a truck to come in to the warehouse.
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Null. Whoever has a clear town or scumread on one of those based on what happened until now is suspicious to me.
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Ok. I read Deus as mostly Town. I agree on lurker lynching, but also think perhaps he has been putting forward a few odd ideas- the early lying policy talk etc. Sometimes you have to keep your cards to your chest, yes, but I don't think anyone was talking about trying to be super open rather than when someone is caught in a lie, heavy suspicion. Seems a universal trend, and Deus+iVLosk! strongest supporters of that idea.
However, most of his filter looks too town for the above to be more than early mistakes like we all made.
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On August 17 2013 08:15 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:
iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.
I'm hurt babe. I've already examined all of your filters earlier today while waiting for a truck to come in to the warehouse.
Well what, I mean, I played along- wait a minute.
So Holyflare, why didn't I get any fire for playing along with iVLosk? Did you notice that I posted about "Watching him with 75 energy" & stuff? & "Can't touch him without an upgrade"?
But then I was all  iVLosK! the professional scum, and look who Holy tries to lynch.
Dang it everyone scummy again, Please xplain ppl.
Especially you Holyflare? Was that a meta blind eye or ?
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On August 17 2013 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:15 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:
iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.
I'm hurt babe. I've already examined all of your filters earlier today while waiting for a truck to come in to the warehouse. Well what, I mean, I played along- wait a minute. So Holyflare, why didn't I get any fire for playing along with iVLosk? Did you notice that I posted about "Watching him with 75 energy" & stuff? & "Can't touch him without an upgrade"? But then I was all iVLosK! the professional scum, and look who Holy tries to lynch. Dang it everyone scummy again, Please xplain ppl. Especially you Holyflare? Was that a meta blind eye or ?
I have played a game with you and have become pretty clear on your spam and contribution posts, you have actually posted reads and are willing to entertain scenarios, much like i am, that can force information out of people. While yes you have spam you also have useful bits of info. Ivlosk has really nothing in his favour so far, not that I am totally accusing him but I do not like hypocrisy and he has not contributed YET. This is still obviously early and I'd like to hear more from him.
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On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare. D' Oh. Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too.
I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid.
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On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare. D' Oh. On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too. I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid.
I'm not sure I ever said it was scummy to avoid lurkers. So you've lost me.
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On August 17 2013 08:49 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare. D' Oh. On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too. I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid. I'm not sure I ever said it was scummy to avoid lurkers. So you've lost me.
JAT is saying it's scummy and you said "i noticed it too"?
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On August 17 2013 08:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:On August 17 2013 08:15 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think:
iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too.
I'm hurt babe. I've already examined all of your filters earlier today while waiting for a truck to come in to the warehouse. Well what, I mean, I played along- wait a minute. So Holyflare, why didn't I get any fire for playing along with iVLosk? Did you notice that I posted about "Watching him with 75 energy" & stuff? & "Can't touch him without an upgrade"? But then I was all iVLosK! the professional scum, and look who Holy tries to lynch. Dang it everyone scummy again, Please xplain ppl. Especially you Holyflare? Was that a meta blind eye or ? I have played a game with you and have become pretty clear on your spam and contribution posts, you have actually posted reads and are willing to entertain scenarios, much like i am, that can force information out of people. While yes you have spam you also have useful bits of info. Ivlosk has really nothing in his favour so far, not that I am totally accusing him but I do not like hypocrisy and he has not contributed YET. This is still obviously early and I'd like to hear more from him.
A.K.A. yes. Try not to do that too much though, although it is true, more games are available for my meta than most newbies so I guess cheating in that sense regarding me is ok xD. In fact it may be all I have to go on at Lylo.
Me too on hear more from iVLosK!
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Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things:
A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1
B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention.
or the less likely
C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them.
How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk.
Why are we tolerating lurkers?
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