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iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
August 16 2013 16:08 GMT
#261
Slam, I know that you and Coag go way back. Would I be safe in assuming that the 4 newbie games you have on this site (and the couple I've seen on OMGUS) are not your only games?
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Squibbles
Profile Joined August 2013
3 Posts
August 16 2013 16:16 GMT
#262
I can see where the suspicion might lie and the implications of me being a lurker. I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30, although I am reading up on all the posts throughout the day. If there are any questions of me feel free to ask, I am rather new so I getting use to all the terminology and what not. So far judging by the posts I am leaning town on deus but I cannot be certain and null for everyone else. It's too early for me to make an educated guess when the majority of people have yet to really reveal intentions. I'm thinking the larger players have been talked about a bit more, meaning they will always be under scrutiny, but that only helps them if they are scum. Only making that of note, not implying anything.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
August 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#263
On August 12 2013 03:15 iVLosK! wrote:
Has this game started?

Shall I begin the rape?

No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon.

On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.


This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points.
I spare thee, and await further posts.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
August 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#264
Hey look, ask and you shall receive.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
August 16 2013 16:27 GMT
#265
Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 16:30 GMT
#266
On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.

Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 16 2013 17:16 GMT
#267
On August 17 2013 01:08 iVLosK! wrote:
Slam, I know that you and Coag go way back. Would I be safe in assuming that the 4 newbie games you have on this site (and the couple I've seen on OMGUS) are not your only games?

Actually that is all of it. Back when, here upon the vast TL, I noticed certain blog and poll monsters- the author of which was the one to whom we refer. Having recently discovered the private message function, I used it during his comic to say foolish things. Whereupon he told me, "Forsooth, thou shalt attempt the Mafias"- and having not even thought of the games at all recently at the time, thought unto myself, "what is this? For though it seems Starcraft hath a secret society, I need not be tasked with such things as that might be (truly I thought mayhap there were Team Liquid hit men going around) and declined.

Took me until shortly before NMM XLIII to wake up and smell the roses xD
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 16 2013 18:06 GMT
#268
On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.



Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#269
Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care

Stuffz going down:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.



Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++

Would like to hear more when he's back from work.

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Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps.
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

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On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.



I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now


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Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this:

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On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098

Check my reads.

Why? You are suspicious?


Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D

I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player.

On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest.



however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam.

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What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:15 iVLosK! wrote:
Has this game started?

Shall I begin the rape?

No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.


This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points.
I spare thee, and await further posts.



This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy...

Stupid obvious shit 1: + Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 07:16 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Because he makes it look like is very experienced and after playing one game this seems odd to me. I would like to know if he is just a show off or actually not really a newbie because it might influence my read on him later on.


If I had to guess I would lean slightly townie on iV because of his aggressive first post (not counting the rap). Although, one post is virtually nothing to go on. Especially the first one. Your guess on iV JAT?

I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around.



Stupid obvious shit 2: + Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 09:08 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 08:55 Alakaslam wrote:

So here I am! I'm here off & on for a bit, any questions? I mean, I know it's early but that is kinda my point.

Yes. I am a zergling. Your thoughts?



Stupid obvious shit 3: + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote:
Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy.



For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content.

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Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together:



+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!



Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.

Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff.



I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3

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JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around.

[spoiler]
On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.


/spoiler]

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I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2013 18:22 GMT
#270
Sorry I didn't post I just got in. Will be around tonight though for any queries/conversations we can have.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 16 2013 21:46 GMT
#271
Hey, uh, town around?

Seems we aren't very active

On August 17 2013 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care

Stuffz going down:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.



Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++

Would like to hear more when he's back from work.

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Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps.
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

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On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.



I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now


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Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this:

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On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote:
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On August 16 2013 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098

Check my reads.

Why? You are suspicious?


Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D

I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player.

On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest.



however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam.

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What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 12 2013 03:15 iVLosK! wrote:
Has this game started?

Shall I begin the rape?

No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon.

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On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.


This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points.
I spare thee, and await further posts.



This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy...

Stupid obvious shit 1: + Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 16 2013 07:16 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Because he makes it look like is very experienced and after playing one game this seems odd to me. I would like to know if he is just a show off or actually not really a newbie because it might influence my read on him later on.


If I had to guess I would lean slightly townie on iV because of his aggressive first post (not counting the rap). Although, one post is virtually nothing to go on. Especially the first one. Your guess on iV JAT?

I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around.



Stupid obvious shit 2: + Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 09:08 iVLosK! wrote:
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On August 16 2013 08:55 Alakaslam wrote:

So here I am! I'm here off & on for a bit, any questions? I mean, I know it's early but that is kinda my point.

Yes. I am a zergling. Your thoughts?



Stupid obvious shit 3: + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote:
Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy.



For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content.

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Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together:



+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!



Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.

Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff.



I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3

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JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around.

[spoiler]
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On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?

Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content.
I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game.


/spoiler]

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I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this



I can see where you're coming from there.

Reason I think iVLosk is town is pretty much gauging his personality, and the fact that fluff actually makes a good pool for Svengali play- scum mislynch pushes. So his putting an end to that I saw as good.

But maybe too quick, I didn't expect it to stifle town...

Reps, Xzavier? Whassup? Where be ye?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 21:51 GMT
#272
I'm around.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2013 22:02 GMT
#273
On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around.


JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 22:24 GMT
#274
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?

Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.

LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2013 22:29 GMT
#275
On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?

Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.

LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.


So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why

It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people


Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 22:37 GMT
#276
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 16 2013 22:40 GMT
#277
On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement.


Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 22:43 GMT
#278
Yeah, the first two posts are useless but I won't call him scum for this. The last one I don't think is crap. Those 2 players should be pressured into contributing.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 16 2013 22:44 GMT
#279
On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?

Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.

LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow.


So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why

It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people


Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT?

Dues didn't seem himself and I am suspicious a little. But that was cleared up I think, I've been skimming from work and now that I'm home I'm going to go a little more in depth versus my per usual "tossin' it out there" style.

But immediately I remember the whole Lying thing. I mean we don't wanna be all like "hey scum wassup so like I'm cop he's mason with him and that guy is our tracker", but otherwise I would think inconsistency is pretty much all we have to go on for scum hunting. But remember I sux at this... Not an excuse so much as saying "take me with a grain of salt".
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
August 16 2013 22:44 GMT
#280
I'm talking about the posts you labeled stupid obvious btw.
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