On September 12 2013 04:59 kushm4sta wrote:
when do you think this game will start? just estimate
when do you think this game will start? just estimate
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I would play but I don't know if this will start in a week or if it will take months...
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On September 12 2013 04:59 kushm4sta wrote: when do you think this game will start? just estimate ^ I would play but I don't know if this will start in a week or if it will take months... | ||
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In that case /in although the deadline is difficult to manage. | ||
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And what about this? On August 28 2013 16:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I shall join this if it's still open for signups after aperture 2 ep 2 | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, wow... how could I miss that -_- In that case /in although the deadline is difficult to manage. /in before it's too late! | ||
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Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. | ||
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His posts about the Geript/DP argument (about them overdoing it) do make sense to me but they are not alignment indicative. Scum could easily point that out too. Null. What I don't really understand is this: On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: So, Sentinel didn't do anything until now. It's a bit weird that he spammed so much in pre game and wanted to set up a new page record and now there are almost no posts since the game started but that's all I can say about him. Null. Show nested quote + On September 21 2013 09:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hoo hoo hoo I'm going to be gone most of Saturday I shall post more once I get off work, 4-ish EST. Well time zones are confusing to me but the game started on a friday for you, didn't it? | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote: If you guys know anything about DP then you know exactly why I asked those questions. Playing voice mafia but I'll check back periodically. Well I honestly don't. So maybe you should explain this. | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:45 Stutters695 wrote: So who wants to lynch Kush with me? I don't. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:02 Mattchew wrote: I think rayn has been posting care free and without burden. I can't say i can pick out any specific content that I like, but I do like the tone Don't forget he was drunk. | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. If you want me to comment on something different you just have to ask me instead of trying to paint me red. Note that I was specifially asked about my read on you and this post was the only one that stuck out to me. Why would I not ask about the intention behind it? | ||
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On September 22 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 03:53 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv what do you make of justanothertownie's reaction to my questions? Certainly a very easy point of attack, yet even the people who have voted me thus far haven't bothered with it. It honestly looks as though he is hiding behind not knowing DP's meta and as soon as someone provides an explanation for him he will be ready to drop the point of suspicion and will have 'contributed' something. If you want me to comment on something different you just have to ask me instead of trying to paint me red. Note that I was specifially asked about my read on you and this post was the only one that stuck out to me. Why would I not ask about the intention behind it? First of all, does my explanation of DP's meta satisfy you? Second, regarding your post: fair enough I suppose. I am curious as to how you have found nothing out of the ordinary about my earlier posting other than the one you mentioned. There are certainly enough people who have voted me and found things that are scummy about me, why have you not attempted to discuss this with them? Am I scum, JAT? So basically you wanted to see if he would take your weird questions and use them to shit up the thread? There is no reason for me not to believe this. You are right about your 3rd party accusation at least. He could have easily used that to argue with you as scum. I didn't have a scumread on you the post just made no sense to me. The things other people attacked you for were not that impressive to me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote: On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote: Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. You almost always read me wrong, twinkletoes. To wave, I'm not sure where you're going with this JAT thing? You seem to be reading more into him questioning that DP post of yours than I'm understanding. Explain to me like I'm a lil babe? Essentially he hasn't contributed a great deal and it looked to me at the time as though he jumped on an 'odd' post of mine which is an easy thing to do when you're trying to contribute (read: scummy). In questioning him now I'm trying to get him to explain himself as well as contribute more because thus far it's only looked like 'trying' to me and not actual contribution. He's answered me satisfactorily I think but I'm still wary of the 'trying to contribute' vibe I get from him. It's Day1. I hate Day1. If i see something I really think is scummy I will point it out you can be sure of this but at the moment I don't see such a thing and I am not good a posting if I don't have a useful thing to say. That's why I ask people to let me know what they want me to comment on so they can at least read me. | ||
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On September 22 2013 06:54 Koshi wrote: Nope. You just pile a shitton of votes on VA. It's that easy. And you think that makes him stop? I am not so sure. You know that he just didn't give a fuck in titanic too and he was town there sadly... | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandains case is a bunch of misunderstandings tbh. I never defended him, nor did I not do what i said prior. I can debunk the post in about 5 minutes at my comp, not really concered about it. On phone atm if anyone has simple questions. Then why do you feel the need to tell us? | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote: On September 22 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I might regret this, but does anyone have any like...previous games of Lone's I can peruse? The previous newbie game. Just the one then? Or will the previous few have him in them? Some of them. Just have a look at the player lists... | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:57 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 08:54 Zaragon wrote: Done reading filters for the night. Marvellosity feels town. yamato77 felt very town, but one long first post relatively late in the day can easily be very pro-town scum so I'll put him as neutral until I have a pattern to go on. Pandain same deal, except with less initial town feeling and thus more leaning towards scum. I'm thinking I'd prefer a lynch to generate information day 2, as much as it pains me to skip non-contributors. I'll elaborate and look at links if it's still relevant by tomorrow, now I need sleep. Have fun guys First post game (a la the thread!). Let's crack this! I'll go first. More likely to come from scum. It's not his first post... | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote: Do you have thoughts about that post or no? It says almost nothing. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote: Do you have thoughts about that post or no? It says almost nothing. You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. So you think only scum posts like that? | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. Yes. Now tell me when I said something different? | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote: Based on my quick preview of JAT's filter from his newbie game, I have deduced that his style can be generalized as early-game-reactive, late-game-proactive. I'm basically going to think he's scummy today no matter what, so (cover your eyes, earmuff your children) I need to wait and see with him. Only question I have for you right now JAT: Have you played mafia before outside of TL? If so, briefly describe it. This is quite accurate. No, I didn't play outside TL. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 09:40 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. Yes. Now tell me when I said something different? Your initial answers to OO read me as you were not interested in knowing more about Zaragon. Well, your read is wrong. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:30 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Well, I'm assuming only 1 or 2 of the non-posters will be mafia, at most. It's just... mafia is kinda relational, so when pieces are missing, it's just odd. Anyway it doesn't matter because we make do with what we have. Koshi feels really passive here. Phoneposting really boring. Time to get near a computer and be townie like the last games i saw of you. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote: On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. Ok, sounds way more convincing. I will take a look at him. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote: Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy. Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts? I don't understand it. I instantly thought it is suspicious bluehunting too. But seriously - how could he think he would get an answer to that besides it is making himself look bad. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote: On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:02 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote: On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain. Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so. Well you are right - there is not much interaction found afterwards. Is this a scumtell? I don't know. If he doesn't post more before the lynch it maybe is but for now I won't read to much into that. I liked the post because I can follow his reasoning. Especially about FT and VE. Also he is attacking vocal people left and right. I don't think scum would do that this way. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote: Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think? | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:31 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote: Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think? Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible? Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying? Maybe I didn't formulate my reasoning optimally. So, by saying I could follow his reasoning I meant to say it makes sense to me. I come to similar conclusions about FT and VE for example. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:45 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 02:41 Pandain wrote: On September 23 2013 02:38 DarthPunk wrote: @pandain. Do you think poor play is a scum tell, a town tell or a null tell? Please give reasoning. That is too complex to answer lol, I can answer short questions now but don't want to become too involved in the thread right now. l I'm sleeping now so can you provide an answer for me in the next several hours? Also tell me if shitting up the thread is a town tell, scum tell or a null tell. Why are you asking all those general questions? | ||
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On September 23 2013 04:19 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 04:16 Umasi wrote: On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. :| then don't vote for me if you think you're wrong Who, then? Myself? I can do that if you think it's better. Wtf... | ||
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On September 23 2013 04:26 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 04:19 LoneMeow wrote: On September 23 2013 04:16 Umasi wrote: On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote: I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try. Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though. ##Vote: Umasi Here for a while if you want to ask me something. :| then don't vote for me if you think you're wrong Who, then? Myself? I can do that if you think it's better. Wtf... What's the wtf here? The way I see it, I have 3 options: 1) vote my only scum read (against whom I know I'm biased) 2) vote myself 3) vote at random None of the options is really better than the others, so... Well you chose the option which has the lowest chance of hitting scum (if you are town). That's not very clever. | ||
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On September 23 2013 04:39 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 04:34 Koshi wrote: On September 23 2013 04:29 LoneMeow wrote: On September 23 2013 04:27 Coagulation wrote: Lonemeow doesnt believe in re reading thread. I've read and re-read the thread and filters all the time I had. I'm simply nowhere near good enough for games with players of this caliber. Then don't get lynched as town... We need to get rid of 2 scummers rather fast because the 3 NK shizzle. It's already enough if you don't get lynched as town on D1... No need to find all the scummers. How am I supposed to do that when I have no reads and no thread presence? Not voting for yourself would be a good start. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:39 ObviousOne wrote: Yamato give Ray another day IMO. He doesn't breathe mafia like we do. That's my $.02 So, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote: So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon. Don't lynch Koshi. He is town. Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^ I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:48 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2013 07:47 justanothertownie wrote: On September 23 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote: On September 23 2013 07:43 justanothertownie wrote: So, who are the lynch candidates worth looking into right now? Ray/Koshi/?... I won't be here for the lynch (impossible time for me) so I will have to find a target soon. Don't lynch Koshi. He is town. Sorry, coming from you that is not very convincing.^^ I am really missing your aggressive light hearted playstyle. You seem to be very passive this game. Why can't I be town without being aggressive & light hearted? I don't know if you can - I didn't play with scum Koshi. It just doesn't feel like the town Koshi I know. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: just wokeup. nno idea what's going on. who do i vote?? who are even my options? Good question. I guess it is Ray/Lone/FT now? I will just look at those and decide which one I want to lynch the most because I am getting really tired right now. If I am supposed to investigate someone else please say it now. | ||
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LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Blah. I am voting for the candidate i feel is most likely to be scum then if you all ignore Koshi. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chairman Ray I don't think we should lynch FT. This is way more he has done in his last couple of town games on D1. While it's not much, and i disagree with a lot of stuff he is saying, it still is way better and he seemed like trying. I have no fucking idea about LoneMeow, basically a coinflip. :/ If Chairman comes up with something that's really townie lynch Sentinel instead, or Risen. I try to wake up before the deadline, not sure if it happens though. Maybe it is more than FT has done in his last town games but how does that mean he is town? | ||
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Just caught up - does anyone have any questions for me? I can't put that much time into the game until tomorrow evening because I have got to pass an important exam tomorrow. | ||
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[QUOTE]On September 23 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote: Fuck all of you because I brought this up at the beginning of the fucking game. I may also be a little butthurt because I'm not on Koshi's dumb-as-shit doclist. [/QUOTE] Nothing to be sad about. The idea of a doclist is retarded anyways. I mean I sort of get some arguments for a viglist but a doclist? Way to help scum. | ||
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On September 24 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: To elaborate on my read on JAT, my read on him is "angry". I dunno wtf that means, but that's my read on him atm.. Angry? Are you angry at me? Because I am for sure not angry^^ If you want my opinion on something feel free to ask. Like I said I wont have much time until tomorrow evening so I wont filter dive anyone on my own but if there is something specific you want to know just ask. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be more precise, these posts: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 09:50 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 22 2013 09:40 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote: On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why? Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. Yes. Now tell me when I said something different? Your initial answers to OO read me as you were not interested in knowing more about Zaragon. Well, your read is wrong. I dunno if it has to do with me and my playstyle, or what it is, but this seems kinda... idk.. odd. In comparsion to how you answer DP after that; To me your answers are just short one liners with a mindset that to me reads as "wtf are you trying to do", and to DP you give more complete answers with explanation on your thought process. The thing is your read was just a feeling/very subjective. There is nothing else to say for me about it besides that it's wrong because there is nothing I can explain about it. | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. | ||
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On September 23 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote: I'll tell you the oddest thing about Mocsta from my perspective. He came into the thread with his Chairman case, and was really convinced by it, and upheld it repeatedly. Then Wave expressed some kinda doubts and Mocsta is like "oh yeah, hmm" and just unvotes like that. Seems like he was pushed off it really easily given how absolutely convinced he sounded about it. FT does not look better after the lynch because he was the second wagon besides a townie. Does not mean he has to be scum but it is absolutely possible. Some people even tried so save him (like geript). | ||
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On September 24 2013 03:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: If I remember this correctly he switched when ray was clearly in the lead so maybe he wanted to distance himself from the still happening lynch of a townie? Are you looking for reasons to fit Mocsta's actions to your read of him? Nope the things I said are the reasons for my suspicion (not a real scumread right now) of him. | ||
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On September 24 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: If I remember this correctly he switched when ray was clearly in the lead so maybe he wanted to distance himself from the still happening lynch of a townie? No that's not right. Mocsta switched one minute before the dedaline, the votes were at that time CR (6), FT (3) -> Mocsta made them CR (5), FT (4). Both of CR & FT had yet to vote. Hmm, that's closer than I thought. Hard to see the real motivations here because it was chaotic and nobody knew when the deadline really was. Seems like it would only make sense for scum Mocsta to change if FT was town (otherwise it would be really ballsy). | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:39 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote: On September 24 2013 07:31 Pandain wrote: As I'm reading, I note that I heavily disagree with Marv saying that we should all role claim. stop doing this. it's not even funny or interesting. I giggled. Me too! | ||
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On September 24 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote: well, in that case you're all easily pleased, as he's made the same 'joke' about 5 times this thread already. almost as many times as he's posted in fact. :> That's actually the funny thing about it^^ Ok, let's drop this... | ||
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Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. | ||
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On September 24 2013 18:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Since when has yamato been confirmed town? Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato. So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind? | ||
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On September 25 2013 04:31 LoneMeow wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Your thoughts on Sentinel? To come back to this: I reread his filter and I don't know what to think of him. The way his opinion of ray changed is really weird (as many people pointed out already). I don't think voting ray in itself is scummy but it is weird to change your read so drastically and vote him when you have other scum reads (stutters, umasi). I don't recall him having a townread on FT either. Also his activity is not as high as I would expect of someone who spammed the pregame. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: On September 24 2013 18:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Since when has yamato been confirmed town? Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato. So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind? No I don't. I'm questioning his last post: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote: I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today. We lynch Sentinel. I don't think I understand (maybe it's me being dumb). Do you think yamato is town or not? | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position. Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass. So how do you come to this conclusion? Do you think coag and yamato are scum together? | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: (Nightpost is September 24 2013 11:10) Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote: Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote: So yamato is town, thats no fun versus Do we have a rationale for this from either Matt, in which case I missed it because Matt doesn't like to quote, or from someone else? Either Matt came out as the doctor or he tripped over himself. I have no idea what that means. As far as I know he didn't explain it as of yet. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:02 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote: On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote: Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato. Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment. coag claimed the shot on Vayne. The clue is where coag kept saying "I'm going to shoot Vayne" Oh ok. Still though, how does claiming the protection make yamato town? He could stay silent to try and out the doctor as scum, but that's pretty risky to do. Well the shot is missing otherwise and nobody else claimed being protected. On September 25 2013 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote: The questions become: do you believe that a town-aligned Coag would use his vig shot on VA? Do you believe that a doctor would protect Yamato based on yesterday? And do you believe that scum would shoot a town-aligned Yamato? The answer is no to too many of these questions for me to just accept Yamato as confirmed town. I want him to continue establishing his towniness as if he were not. There were people who had strong a townread on yamato. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:06 marvellosity wrote: Look, if yamato is alive in a couple of cycles time we can have a conversation about his "confirmedness". As of now, it's a waste of space. This is absolutely true. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:41 iamperfection wrote: also i will do what i want so scummy | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote: This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence. Kush is town. Omg I feel dirty. Based on what exactly? | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote: This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence. Kush is town. Omg I feel dirty. you're gonna have to explain this good for me. Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post) It's the same Kush Kush unplugged How long since this game was played? Kush played some really good gaes recently. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:17 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: , how come there is nothing going on right now? Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on? its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this Yeah, I know. But if you look at the time stamps you will see that there WAS nothing going on at that point in time. No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: On September 25 2013 08:17 Mocsta wrote: On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: , how come there is nothing going on right now? Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. did u know there is a case that most of the actives have inputted on? its on mattchew, i suggest u comment...... I got no idea how u avoided this Yeah, I know. But if you look at the time stamps you will see that there WAS nothing going on at that point in time. No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. This is all distinctly lacking your own opinion... Look at it from my point of view, jat. What am I supposed to take from this post about your alignment? about your views? about anything? "the case is fine and i might vote him, depending on stuff" That's exactly the reason I didn't comment on it. I don't have a strong opinion on it. | ||
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So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:02 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 09:00 justanothertownie wrote: The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia. Your reactive license has just been revoked. Proactive or gallows. Choose your adventure. Meanie... Alright alright as I said I am taking a second look on Mattchew and will give you a stronger statement. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: @Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +
Overall. I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game. I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 08:58 justanothertownie wrote: If my opinion was of that much value to you, you could have asked btw. So if it pleases you I will take another look at him, ok? When I first read the case it went exactly as I said: Sound logic - guy could be mafia. That's about it. I'm not going to talk about this much more, but I'll say this, and hope you get me I, or anyone, shouldn't have to ask for your opinion; by default I want to hear what everyone has to say on a substantial case. Generally speaking, making reads on a player is much easier if you can read through and follow their thought process and see how you feel about that. It doesn't even necessarily matter if your final conclusion isn't decisive either way, as long as we can see how and why you got there. There's a player called fuba who I introduced to mafia, and he's not a heavy poster at all. He's told me several times that often he finds it hard to post, even though he spends hours reading the game, because he's not sure. I told him the same, just post what you're thinking about things so that we can see your thought process. I got a scumread on him in Les Mis (that i kinda forgot somehow) because his posts were much more dense and obfuscate-y than normal, I couldn't follow his thought process very well. Of course I get what you mean but saying " just post what you are thinking" doesn't make it easier. And yes, I spent about 6 hours thinking about this game today. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:56 iamperfection wrote: you can comment on my big post in a bit A bit you say? I guess I am staying up then... | ||
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On September 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 10:00 justanothertownie wrote: On September 25 2013 09:56 iamperfection wrote: you can comment on my big post in a bit A bit you say? I guess I am staying up then... my definition of a bit is an hour or two A bit you say? I guess I am going to sleep then... Tomorrow will be the first day in months I really have free time and no urgent things to do so I will be able to put a bit more effort into this now that OO took my license... | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownie Going to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler + Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic Mafia Is justanothertownie a suspicious little townie? On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote + TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote + Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote: On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote: On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you. I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote + Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote + Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote + Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: fml... I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: But to answer your question: gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is. TL Mafia LXII is jat a suspicious little townie? On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Hi guys... Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: @Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +
Overall. I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game. I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it. jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either. Justanothertownie: Thanks for the Titanic compilation, that was what i was supposed to look for today. Remember my read on JAT earlier? It was "angry". It's the odd feeling i got from him in comparsion to Titanic (yeah i thought at some point he was scum in Titanic, but i had never played with him before that). You are right marv, he is very different here in comparsion to this game. Things i especially don't like: 1) His repeatedly saying "if you got questions to me, go ahead and ask". This does not necessarily make him scum but he's not being proactive, and in Titanic he was proactive. 2) His comeback in thread on D2. First there is this: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 01:18 justanothertownie wrote: ... I'm catching up right now. Open for questions as usal. Whe he has caught up this is ALL he has to say: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 02:50 justanothertownie wrote: Risen, as far as I understand the set up there are no goons. We have 6 scummers and the possible roles are RB, GF and Framer. We also had only one player claiming roleblock (as far as I have seen). I think it is pretty reasonable to assume there are Framer/GF maybe even more than one per role. Stupid comment to Risen. Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Wow, how come there is nothing going on right now? Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Doesn't seem right to me.. 1) I don't get how it makes me scum to urge people to ask me questions. 2) The comment to Risen was while I was catching up if I remember that correctly and what the hell is dumb about it? Explain. 3) So, what's scum about me noting there was total silence in the thread? Response to marv comes next... | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: I am here for like an hour before I have to travel. First: The case on me is just pure meta, no? And you are deliberately using ONLY my very first game on this site where I played horribly. Marv I directed you to look at my last game which is a newbie game and you will see parallels to this game. It weirds me out you did obviously not do that or if you did you did not feel the need to include it in your case. I am pretty sure this is also the game where OO got his read on me. The problem is you did not play horribly in Titanic. Compared to this game your play in Titanic was far better. Well I got only negative opinions about my play right there and people scolded me for my Day1 behaviour for the whole game and afterwards. I especially think it is weird that you of all people think I played well there when during the game I got a very different feeling until the last Day. | ||
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On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownie Going to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler + Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic Mafia Is justanothertownie a suspicious little townie? On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote + TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote + Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote: On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote: On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you. I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote + Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote + Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote + Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: fml... I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: But to answer your question: gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is. TL Mafia LXII is jat a suspicious little townie? On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Hi guys... Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote + On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote: On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote: @Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew OP links are NOT updated. 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Overall. I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game. I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it. jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either. My first post in titanic was a scumread. It was a really bad one and I got a shitload of flak for it. The same goes for my scumread on hz. Basically I was so totally wrong in this game (apart from my scumread on FT) it hurts. I played like shit. That's the reason I changed my play for my next games (newbie game, which you so conveniently left out of your analysis and this one). I have an easy time defending myself and I often get the feeling the person accusing me is scum (be it right or wrong) so if there is someone like that I will naturally be more proactive in the game. You can see that in titanic with oats and FT. In this game nobody made a noteworthy case about me up until this post (Kushs go at it is just pathetic). | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote: By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you. I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today. Well, I will always defend myself against a push like that (I mean it's not only you, rayn hopped on it instantly - he basically sheeps you all the time right now). Don't care if it pleases you or not. I will be more proactive but I have to leave for a few hours in around 30 minutes so don't expect me to do so before. | ||
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He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote: Add to this how he throws dirt on me without any explanation about how the things I said are scummy. If you are unable to read my post i can't help you. I pretty clearly explained why i think the things you have done are scummy.. No, just no. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote: Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence. He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? Your opinion on Koshi isn't the most important point here. I think it's odd you go after him like this because to me he reads rather townie but I could forgive that because you know him better. But you always give people super certain townreads and you don't do this here that way. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote: On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote: Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence. He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? I don't think he's talking about Koshi specifically. Normally you throw around "certain" reads like candy as town. Yeah, for people i think are town. I don't think there are many people who are "definitely town" in this game. ObviousOne, yamato, marv, Coag. There is it. Oh yeah and SnB. Ok, I get most of those reads. Why is ObviousOne definitely town? | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:07 Koshi wrote: Ok seems like thread slowed down a bit. Also seems people were just discussing me when I rejoined. Somewhat silly timing. That being said. Rayn is scum. It is obvious. Do I really need to explain it? Really? #vote rayn Yes, explain it if you want my vote. | ||
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I am not saying LM is town but I think it is very possible that he is just overwhelmed by the size and the players of this game. He is an easy target for scum and I don't like the people on the wagon that much. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Noted. I am not saying LM is town but I think it is very possible that he is just overwhelmed by the size and the players of this game. He is an easy target for scum and I don't like the people on the wagon that much. What makes him different from Cephiro in regards to being an 'easy target' Cephiro is an experienced player. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:29 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On September 26 2013 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Noted. I am not saying LM is town but I think it is very possible that he is just overwhelmed by the size and the players of this game. He is an easy target for scum and I don't like the people on the wagon that much. What makes him different from Cephiro in regards to being an 'easy target' Cephiro is an experienced player. Players like Stutters and Sylencia are experienced players, but people often refer to them as "easy targets" or "lynchbait". So? I think it is much easier for attack LM because they don't expect him to defend himself. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:48 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? Yay, an OMGUS vote. Look how much I care. I have still stuff coming up, but that doesn't mean the case on you is worth any less. There are many scummy things in thread, and you're ranking very highly on the list of scummy things. You're not even denying any of the accusations made against you. You're just like "Yes, that is indeed the case. You must be scum for pointing that out." ... Really? No. There is nothing to deny because your only argument is me being indecisive. This vote is only partly OMGUS - yours was one of the filters I had open to look for a lynch target. On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote: Well, it seems like the night didn't go that badly. Appareantly there's a vig shot that hit town, but on the happier side of life it seems like we had a successful doctor protection tonight. And no blues were hit. That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either. Show nested quote + On July 29 2013 05:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Town players remaining=24 Scum Players remaining=6 Scum KP=3 (#of scum/2 rounded up I hope you're joking.... On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. Show nested quote + On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Just look at the timestamps for these posts. You promised to be a good townie and completely disappeared to return with a half assed read on kush and the observation that I am not being decisive. Great. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:50 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? Is he scum for saying you are scum? Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:58 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:50 Koshi wrote: On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? Is he scum for saying you are scum? Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities. But you aren't getting lynched and he is. So what? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:01 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 06:00 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:58 Koshi wrote: On September 26 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:50 Koshi wrote: On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? Is he scum for saying you are scum? Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities. But you aren't getting lynched and he is. So what? Why is he picking you when there are "scummier possibilities" that might get lynched. Wouldn't that be better as scum? There aren't that many people on to him right now. Besides there is time until the lynch. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:01 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities. I have already told I haven't had as much time to contribute towards the game as usually, I'm not going to bring it up again. If there are much scummier possibilities, could you tell me your opinion on 2-3 people other than me for example (since I heard your amazing reasoning on me already)? And give reasoning of you own instead of quoting someone and saying "I kinda agree with this." Ok? This game is not about reasoning of my own. It's a nice bonus but primarily it is about finding scum and if there are good arguments by other people I don't necessarily need to find more to think someone is scum. I will come back to this. A recent example is this btw.: On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote: Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence. He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:16 Pandain wrote: This is retarded +1 | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:17 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: This game is not about reasoning of my own. It's a nice bonus but primarily it is about finding scum and if there are good arguments by other people I don't necessarily need to find more to think someone is scum. I will come back to this. A recent example is this btw.: On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote: Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence. He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. Okay, I agree that it's not all about reasoning of one's own. But do you not agree something is wrong if a person constantly agrees with others and doesn't provide any input of his own? It gives me 2 options: 1) You agree/trust people way too easily for whatever reason, which is not good in a game of mafia. 2) You purposefully buddy people to try and avoid being targeted. I saw the small back-and-forth of yours with rayn, but I still think the way the conversation ends leaves a little too much open. What do you think about VE's play currently for example? Do you really consider VE a lynch candidate for today? If not this is a waste of time right now. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:02 Cephiro wrote: Reply to JAT considering my vote: I am not making a placeholder vote for now. I'd obviously want a scumread of mine to be lynched, but I will have to look at the options which are realistic closer to the deadline. What about the current candidates besides you? | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:24 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 07:06 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 07:02 Cephiro wrote: Reply to JAT considering my vote: I am not making a placeholder vote for now. I'd obviously want a scumread of mine to be lynched, but I will have to look at the options which are realistic closer to the deadline. What about the current candidates besides you? You know, I haven't really coalesced my feeling about this statement and it's been thrown around a fuck ton this game; but I don't think I've really seen it before to the same extent. It's just an idiotic statement as town "Uh who of the guys who are currently up for lynch are likely scum?" It assumes that only the current candidates are scum. Either I'm having an awful game or I'm right on track. I'm voting marv and saying fuck it for the night. It doesn't assume there is no scum outside the candidates at all. Wtf are you talking about? I want to know his opinion on the other candidates. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay now that the clusterfuck called Golden Sun has ended i can focus on this shit. JAT are you here? I forgot something earlier. I am. Will be afk for 20-30 minutes but I will respond after that. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: me, why? You wanted something? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 26 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote: Roleclaim. me, why? You wanted something? Copy paste your spreadsheet, now. I did not update this since a long time. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:26 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 08:26 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 26 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 26 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote: Roleclaim. me, why? You wanted something? Copy paste your spreadsheet, now. I did not update this since a long time. You think he cares? Actually no. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 08:26 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 26 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On September 26 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote: Roleclaim. me, why? You wanted something? Copy paste your spreadsheet, now. I did not update this since a long time. I don't care, i don't even care about the formatting, just copy paste it. Why should I do it then? You don't believe I have one? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: i don't give a fuck what it looks like. i don't care about colors. ??? If I post it like that you have the normal player list: 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta Where is the benefit in that? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:35 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: JAT I already don't give 2 fucks about what he pastes now. Please tell me you are joking... | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is actually retarded. True. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 08:40 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, if you insist. I see no reason why but I will do that. no don't do it, you'll probably get modkilled. Wait what? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wouldn't it be funny if you had yourself as red there? Would it? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:46 iamperfection wrote: that said he does have the old player list so he probably did this at the beginning of the game. Obviously. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:52 Cephiro wrote: That claim, what the fuck!? I'm not sure if I should believe it or not x_x Then again if he IS the town doc it's better that I get lynched instead of him, and I'm not leading by many votes.... fucking claims like 10 mins before deadline? Counterclaims anyone? The hell? Don't counterclaim! | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: OK. I DOC'D YAM everyone, pile onto lonemeow. afhbfghsdg | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: LOL IN B4 BOTH DOCS DOCCED YAM LOL They wouldn't both get notified of a succesful save or am I wrong?! | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:00 Mocsta wrote: kk. im not doc, i just wanted lone lynched sorry guise hes scum i tell you ! Dude I was about to switch. Don't do that to me... | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:17 geript wrote: Moc that's some bullshit and you should know better. You're fully on my scum list too. 3docs, 3 gigs, 3cops vs 2 RB, 2 gf and 2 framers. There's no reason to fake counter a doc. ? | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:19 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 11:18 justanothertownie wrote: On September 26 2013 11:17 geript wrote: Moc that's some bullshit and you should know better. You're fully on my scum list too. 3docs, 3 gigs, 3cops vs 2 RB, 2 gf and 2 framers. There's no reason to fake counter a doc. ? That's the setup. I'd put money on it. Cops should fully ignore any checks they get. Great advice... | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro? I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow. I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town. Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad. All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch. Did you not read it pre lynch? It is not that big. I seriously don't like that you turned over this lynch onto LM like that without even reading cephiros filter. Don't tell me you did and the lynch/postlynch stuff is missing. That's not that much either. | ||
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On September 27 2013 00:41 Koshi wrote: Oh btw. When catching up this morning I was 50/50 on LM being a doc tbh. But I was 100% certain Mocsta was fake. Did anybody else share that feeling on Mocsta claim? It felt like a scum thing to do or a really obnoxious townie thing rather than a real doc claim. Some people reacted totally different. Believed Mocsta without considering this. Umasi pops to mind. Any1 else noticed? Didnt reread yet. Just popped in my mind. You guys believed Mocsta? I was torn to be honest. I didn't see a reason for Mocsta to fakeclaim and had my voteswitch already written up in the voting thread. I deleted it when I saw Mocsta retracting. I had doubts because I didn't see LM fakeclaiming either and I guess they would not both be notified on a successfull save even if they somehow had saved the same person. | ||
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On September 27 2013 00:52 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn you don't really think I'm scum. You think you've figured out my meta but I can guarantee you when I'm available to play it will be more like Basterd when I roll scum again. So far all you've figured out is that I haven't had time to play, which happens as both alignments. Anyway, now that I've caught up. wtf at last night. Got some more than wtf to say? | ||
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On September 27 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2013 01:39 Koshi wrote: On September 27 2013 01:39 marvellosity wrote: On September 27 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote: Look at those posts: "I am certain 1 of the wagons are scum" "Scums must be laughing their ass off" (because both aren't scum) "Both are scum" "Both are not scum" You'd imagine mafia would be at least a little more consistent, wouldn't you? Yep. So I ask. Is he a little fucker as town? Like I said to Zaragon. Read his signature. It's generally (always so far) true. Well how do you find out he is scum then? Or is he protown as scum? | ||
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On September 27 2013 01:06 Stutters695 wrote: working on it dawg | ||
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Mocsta... wtf man. I just want to kill you but you evidently are putting a shitton of effort into this. Don't know what to do with you. If I remember correctly there were one or two questions to me in your giant ass townread post on me (which btw. was not needed at all). WIll go back to that and answer before I go ahead. | ||
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Anyways you can be sure his cell is not green anymore. He is constanly claiming to analyse the game and post reads later on and NEVER delivers. | ||
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On September 27 2013 13:30 Mocsta wrote: Correct, I was completely unsure between LoneMeow/Cephiro. And I had advocated prior in the thread that I had additonal scum reads on Geript + Zaragon -- several times might I add. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:46 geript wrote: Jat. Look at risen and give me your read on him. I did. I know you will probably call me scum for this but I think he is a bad lynch. It's a coinflip as far as I am concerned. Is he really helpful? No. Does he have to be scum therefore? No. You talked about this post: On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote: Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order 1) cephiro 2) mocsta 3) firmtofu And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap. Right. It is fucking weird. It is so weird I don't understand it at all. Would scum say things like that? I don't know. It is just stupid. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn are you going to play this game this cycle or did you completely switch to thug life? I think it's disturbing how little you seem to care. The same goes for snb btw. It is quite annoying how people join another game and just don't contribute here. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am reading. Cephiro is getting lynched unless i am mistaken. I think he is scum. atm i don't need to convince anyone to lynch mafia. Unless Cephiro comes back here and makes some crazy ass town post i am fine with where we are heading atm. So you think we should just waste this cycle in terms of discussion and pray that cephiro is scum and that we are able to figure this game out next cycle? | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:26 Coagulation wrote: and my reads might not be the most accurate but you can be sure they are not scum influinced. people who are scum or likely to be scum Cephero VE mattchew people who im on the fence kushm4sta cheesecake pandain Could you maybe provide some short reasoning? | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2013 05:29 justanothertownie wrote: On September 28 2013 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn are you going to play this game this cycle or did you completely switch to thug life? I think it's disturbing how little you seem to care. The same goes for snb btw. It is quite annoying how people join another game and just don't contribute here. Why does it not go for Koshi? It goes for everyone who is active in that game and not here. You and snb were just the people I noticed doing that first. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:14 kitaman27 wrote: You're not very welcoming Coag Hi everybody! Hi! Have fun reading 240 pages. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:15 iamperfection wrote: alright coag is still confirmed. any dr's left on him dont wifom it make mafia shoot in active or waste kp with double stack I don't like this post. No, not at all. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:22 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2013 12:21 justanothertownie wrote: On September 29 2013 12:15 iamperfection wrote: alright coag is still confirmed. any dr's left on him dont wifom it make mafia shoot in active or waste kp with double stack I don't like this post. No, not at all. lol If there is another doc he should save who he thinks can figure out this game and lead us on the right track besides being a townread. If someone thinks this person is coag - fine. I don't (no offense coag). Otherwise it just makes it easier for scum because they only have to avoid shooting coag and I don't think they have any problem with that. | ||
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I will go to sleep now it is really late here. I hope there is more discussion going on (compared to the dayphase) when I come back. I will do my best in this regard. | ||
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On September 29 2013 12:31 Mocsta wrote: JAT, What do you make of Umasi and his reluctance to add any iota of value to this thread? | ||
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On September 29 2013 15:50 Umasi wrote: k, guess I should stop talking about things I think are noteworthy/out of place/scummy, since the result was overwhelmingly 'wow you're an idiot' truly lurking is the best way for me to play. If anyone wants to know why I'm voting for mocsta, or why they should vote mocsta, feel free to ask, If anyone thinks it's a bad idea, you're wrong. aside from that, I'm lurking aside from voting him once the day starts. Did you ask those question just to have a j"ustification" for this? Man if you are town come to your senses this is way dumber than the questions you asked. Makes me want to lynch you. On September 29 2013 23:24 Mocsta wrote: activity is really killing this game and the remaining townies really need to step it up. its unacceptable how the past 72hrs has gone. all you are doing is letting scum blend in, and/or control the thread. ... in the piece of shit pile for further interrogation are raynpelikoneet, firmtofu, Mr.cc don't let rayn buddying Marv on cephiro be a town indicator. cephiro was a goon. and rayn has done fuck all in 72hrs. basically, once Marv died, so did his activity. null reads that need to step it up are ppl like sentinel, pandain, deconduo, umasi scum still have 3 nk, because its rounded up.. good luck and pls step up the activity, there's are very few ppl coming across as a strong town read - myself included. Mocsta stop making sense... it is so sad that the person who did this scummy as fuck voteswitch is the towniest player left apart from that. | ||
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On September 30 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote: Like LM, when was the first time Mocsta thought this guy was scum, and why did he first believe the docclaim but after that just decided to claim doc himself and save cephiro. Confirmed scum by now. Remember Cephiro was leading in the votes with 2 votes over LM. Are you still talking to me? I know this, I even asked Mocsta about this myself. | ||
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On September 30 2013 09:17 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2013 09:11 Koshi wrote: Ok so before I sleep. Kitaman confirmed town for anybody with a brain. Tomorrow I ll find our lynch. Mocsta/rayn/VE/Risen all energy on those 4 people. FT feels like crapshoot atm.... but he can be 5 target. Just use all available time on those. I'll look into all. But I know I prefer Mocsta for tomorrow. I DEMAND THAT YOU TELL USE WHY KITA IS CONFIRMED TOWN AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHY YOU PREFER MOCSTA OVER RISEN I DEMAND THAT YOU STOP THE YELLING! But it seems I don't have a brain either. | ||
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The most important thing obviously is to find out somehow if Mocsta is scum. I promised to analyse the game today but it is really time consuming and I only got to read Mocstas filter. The things he did around the LM lynch are really scummy. Not only the fakeclaim. Also I think there has to be one active scum. I think one of OO and Mocsta is scum. Although VE and rayn both don't look to good either. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:26 deconduo wrote: OO claimed he was RB'd night 1. No one claimed for night 2. JAT night 3. What happened night 2? Unless Marv/Yamato was RB'd as well, but why RB who you kill. Something's up. What are you implying here? | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 30 2013 21:48 kitaman27 wrote: Breaking Bad kinda ruined any plans of catch up last night, but I'm now up to page 200 so I'll be sure to finish and post thoughts this morning. On September 30 2013 19:14 Koshi wrote: Ahyeah why I said Kita was confirmed town. Hosts kinda fucked town over day 1 with the shortened time Town is losing this I cannot believe hosts are now going to give scum a night 3 replacement. + a town replacement in n3 can be shot. ---> Kita is town. Maybe it's lame but seriously, hosts are not going to swap a scummer n3 in this game. This is really sketchy reasoning for knowing that I'm town. At first I thought you might be a parity cop or something with your weird instance that I was town, but now that you're trying to explain it with this makes it seem as if you're trying to buddy up with me or something. I will definitely need to tackle your filter. I don't know you are town, silly. I say it is logical because hosts aren't going to replace a scummer on N3 in this game. Koshi, seriously. Stop assuming things about the hosting. You did this in the Newbie game we played together too and you were horribly wrong. On October 01 2013 00:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I can't help but feel that you are scum trying to direct a mislynch onto Mocsta. Mocsta put himself as THE target for scrutiny with that doctor fakeclaim. That's fucking ballsy as mafia -- like LM probably would have been lynched anyway without that fakeclaim. You were trying to push him yesterday instead of cephiro... and I can just imagine what would have happened. Mocsta flips town, shitfest ensues, etc etc. You have done nothing to convince the town other than say Pandain / OO / Geript scum in those regards, and with Mocsta it's a bunch of shitflinging between you and Risen alternating shifts. This is not true. I am all for pressuring VE but the bolded part is wrong. | ||
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On September 26 2013 09:54 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2013 09:51 iamperfection wrote: i dont think we have enough votes to switch to anyone that already dosnt have votes however. 50% of the game is between Ceph/LoneMeow. That means we can get 50% of the game on zara.. and then with a proper 3way (7 votes each) it will be interesting to see how the wagons respond to each other. How the hell are we going to figure anything out by a 3way lynch? | ||
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On October 01 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Vote VE until he does something. I like this approach. ##vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 06:50 Pandain wrote: Going to make a compilation later of why VE is scum part two HOW ABOUT INSTEAD YOU COMMENT ON THE POST I JUST MADE REGARDING IAMPERFECTION?!?!?!? YOU'RE ALL FUCKING SHITTY THAT I'M NOT HELPING TOWN, WELL HERE I AM MOTHERFUCKER! HOW ABOUT YOU EXPLAIN WHY I'M WRONG OR AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY RATHER THAN JUST POST "..." IN RESPONSE?!? ACTUALLYU FUCK THIS. MODKILL ME TOO! MZ, I'M PMING EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT I'M TOWN The townies modkilling themselves are really starting to piss me off. I kind of understand it for geript because it seems he just is like that but VE? Really? A few people voting you for perfectly fine reasons and you just flip out like that? You even started to contribute which was the only reason some people (like me) to vote you and in a good way if I may say so. My vote would have instantly gone off you after the iamp case if I had not been sleeping. Why do you have to suicide after that. I don't get it. On October 01 2013 06:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Alright. Thug Life is finally getting down to normal levels. Time to say useful things. I don't normally touch the VE-marv-BH trio with a 20 foot pole. This is why I don't talk about them and this is why I don't want to talk about them. They intimidate me. Mocsta's been irkin' my jerkin' for a while this game, but after re-reading the last nine pages of his filter I can see him going full yolo and trying to get LM out. He also makes up for it by shifting his contributions into overdrive later in the thread, and I don't see why a scum who just lost town a full cycle of time would put himself in the limelight and willingly engage in conversation with anyone who's here. Geript's death also contributes to it as he tried to save ceph as a townie. So precedent. Show nested quote + On September 30 2013 22:14 Mocsta wrote: On September 30 2013 22:10 Pandain wrote: Rayn where have you been Stop ignoring me Essentially sums it up. So here is what I have in short: Risen pushes Mocsta and geript, with the prior being mostly for the voteswitch and the latter being defensive since geript started attacking Risen. He's done nothing else of value to the thread lately. Pandain has gotten better. His level of contibution has gone up and he's stopped going after the lurkers. Stutters695 The awesome post was horrible. After I come home from swim practice I will elaborate on my two reads as well as others. My scumteam right now is Risen, Stutters, Cheesecake, iamperfection, +1 How is Mocsta being active after that shit a towntell? If he wasn't he would be instalynched. Bad point. On October 01 2013 15:31 ObviousOne wrote: Wow I just spent an hour with my spreadsheet staring at the data. All I learned is that colors are pretty and that they make me sleepy. Not doing the actual research because I'm going to bed but some angles that arise from what I'm seeing. People who aren't really utilizing their vote powers [aka voting the minimum, not using their "powers"]: - Stutters (3 votes over 3 days) - S&B (3 votes over 3 days but did not vote on day 3) - iamperfection (2 votes over 3 days, day 1 had no vote before replacing in) If any of the above demonstrate a lot of uncertainty about where their vote is placed, that might be cause for concern. Uncertainty but not moving their vote and shit reasons for staying = dig deeper. People with better-than-good voting records [arguably could be too perfect]: - Risen votes: 1: vayne cephiro | 2: firmtofu | 3: Cephiro - JAT: 1: firmtofu mattchew | 2: cephiro | 3: cephiro Paying a ton of attention or working with inside knowledge. Did they campaign for their lynches of choice or did they simply vote? Was their reasoning sound? "Too perfect" is how I used VCA to catch out geript after I had died in LXI. It's not out of the question. Firm flipping red will make these even more "perfect". Willy-nilly voters [More than half of their votes on confirmed town]: - FirmTofu - Mr. Cheesecake - Mocsta - Pandain Careless of image, or carefully crafting one? + Show Spoiler [objective voting rated ascending] + 10: FirmTofu -1.00 13: Mr. Cheesecake -0.57 30: Mocsta -0.57 11: Pandain -0.56 16: Stutters695 -0.33 06: kushm4sta Kitaman27 -0.25 08: ObviousOne -0.20 19: [UoN]Sentinel -0.14 02: raynpelikoneet -0.10 01: DarthPunk strongandbig 0.00 07: Koshi 0.00 14: Xzavier Decondou 0.00 15: Coagulation 0.00 17: Onegu iamperfection 0.00 23: Risen 0.25 29: justanothertownie 0.25 Please do some more than just listing things everyone can look up for themselves. I like it but your reads are the important part. | ||
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I have to find out if I want to lynch you or one of FT, Stutters and iamp. Too many options... | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote: JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch. On October 01 2013 23:31 justanothertownie wrote: In any case Stutters is mocking town with his promises. I know what this is... | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: The thing about Mocsta that worries me is that he is so open to any of the other lynch candidates. Anything that will save him from biting the bullet seems to be fine with him. I understood this as points in favor of you. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:43 Mocsta wrote: JAT Im gonna head off soon. I thought there was something you wanted to ask me? Worse comes to worse, I will answer when I wake up. Please send through whatever you had in mind. What I wanted to know was basically answered by now. The other reason was your vote which will be on FT now I guess? You don't come back before the lynch or do you? | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:48 Risen wrote: On October 02 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote: On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: On October 01 2013 23:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I maintain that the first post you quoted brings up nearly zero new evidence and simply brings up things others have said before It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). You are an absolute moron. I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now. Fucken imbecile you are. My post was a defense of you. Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. /sarcasm: Nice defense..... I'm getting concerned now though, because I know I am town. I also know Geript had a solid case on you; and I dont recall you tearing it down. (Just checked filter, and you definitely didn't respond to it) Yet you parade in here, trying to control the lynch. Show nested quote + Where did your FT read go?On September 27 2013 11:33 Risen wrote: After Cephiro, Mocsta, and FT are dead Geript should probably be the next to go. No way a townie tries to do anything to this Cephiro train. On top of this it comes off as a scum Geript trying to nitpick town posts in an attempt to get a mislynch. He saw something he felt he could exploit (he knew marv was town, and he knew marv would flip with the daypost) and is now trying to push it. Where did the ZEN-like feeling go? | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:04 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:51 Risen wrote: On October 02 2013 00:43 kitaman27 wrote: On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote: JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch. Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion. I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line. How can you say this and have FT at the top of people you want lynched? Both players are not contributing. However, FT is attempting to appear as if he is contributing, while stutters is simply gone. Look at these phrases. They are far too self-aware to be town. Show nested quote + FirmTofu "As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment." "I can and will redeem myself for whatever you may think makes me scum." ""Finally got some decent reads." "Now for a solid scum read!" "Now I have to sift through this nonsense to find something of value..." "This isn't spamming. I'm trying to solve this game" Also, look how concerned he is about other's opinions of his. He spends more time looking for others to question him, than he does questioning people he actually thinks are scummy. Show nested quote + FirmTofu "Any questions for me?" "If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it." "If you have any questions for me, I will answer them." "Marv, you need anything from me?" "You've said numerous times that it would be really useful to know my alignment because it would help decipher the votecount for Day 1. How exactly would this help you? " "VE, you seem convinced I am scum. Would you like to ask me any questions that could help you read me? I will answer them to the best of my ability." "Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can." I did this a lot this game. That alone is no point against him in my opinion. His voting pattern and general contentless posting is though. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:32 Koshi wrote: I made clear why I thought you were scum in 2-3 posts somewhere Mocsta. But it's cool. I'll vote anybody on my list. If we lynch town scum has at least 7 nk in future nights. Seems like all blues vanished. Or we had only 1 of each. Well at least the doc got a save. You forget CCs claim. | ||
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On October 02 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi and JAT too? Working on this give me some time. | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:10 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 02:06 iamperfection wrote: do you think its scum bs or is he being bad? In this game I don't know, normally I'd say scum. I very recently played with rayne and I swear he wasn't like this. It makes me think he's purposefully playing different to mask his meta with me, which I think is scummy, but might not be. Are you really saying rayn is playing differently just because of you? | ||
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On October 02 2013 02:17 justanothertownie wrote: Iamperfection who do you want to lynch and why? ! | ||
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I am a little hesitant to lynch FT to be honest. If he was scum there should be scum on the other wagon Day1, no? Well, I don't see scum there. There are confirmed townies + rayn, sentinel (who both voted cephiro Day2) and Kush/Kitaman. Also, Kita: Mocsta is on the FT wagon. If you think he is scum then FT probably is not. Of course this is not perfect because the lynch was chaotic due to the host mistakes. Apart from that I understand the urge to vote FT because he wastes his vote everyday and doesn't contribute shit. Opinions? | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had. You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too! He/both played really really bad. Don't know if scum or not -> coinflip. | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:14 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 17:47 Koshi wrote: Scum mocsta so tryhard. ##unvote ##vote FirmTofu Why are you voting me? Most of your posts indicate that Mocsta is a stronger scumread of yours than I am. You've talked more about Mocsta and you've expressed fear that I may flip town. If you were town, I'd expect you to be voting for Mocsta right now. Good point. Who do you want to lynch or are you gonna waste your vote again? | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:17 iamperfection wrote: and i actually think rayn is most likely to be mafia i think i caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. Kita stop being silly and read what i have said about rayn ill be back in a few hours. This is really all we get? | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:41 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 03:35 Risen wrote: My thoughts on the subject Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care. How can you say he has some good reads? Have you looked at his list post? He was like 0/5, with a scum read on Sent, who I also think is town. He was wrong about ceph and LoneMeow. He has a mafia read on rayn, who I think is town. He has a town read on stutters, which seems to conflict with what you think. He had a scum read on you, which would obviously conflict with what you think. deconduo might be scum, but I don't think he is one of the strongest candidates. Where exactly are all these great reads that you're seeing? If anything, he has had the worst reads this game. Ok. Prepare for WIFOM. Why would a scum team around iamp shoot 3 of those 5 "scumreads" last night and confirm them town? | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:47 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote: On October 02 2013 03:41 kitaman27 wrote: On October 02 2013 03:35 Risen wrote: My thoughts on the subject Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care. How can you say he has some good reads? Have you looked at his list post? He was like 0/5, with a scum read on Sent, who I also think is town. He was wrong about ceph and LoneMeow. He has a mafia read on rayn, who I think is town. He has a town read on stutters, which seems to conflict with what you think. He had a scum read on you, which would obviously conflict with what you think. deconduo might be scum, but I don't think he is one of the strongest candidates. Where exactly are all these great reads that you're seeing? If anything, he has had the worst reads this game. Ok. Prepare for WIFOM. Why would a scum team around iamp shoot 3 of those 5 "scumreads" last night and confirm them town? Heh dunno. Why would a scum team shoot those 3, period? At first I thought it could be their suspicion of FT, but it's also possible they are going for the "dodge the medic" game. Maybe. But they didn't do it N2. Also they let people like you or rayn live what I don't really understand. At first I thought those kills should frame Mocsta because those were also scumreads of him at some point. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:48 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Said to save Marv and Yamato the day they got shot. Yes he's done reads, and pushed them, indicates he's town. His suspicious people got shot last night which doesn't make sense if you want to push them plus they were suspicious anyway. His logic is consitstant and makes sense. I see few reasons to view him as scum and more reasons to view him as town. I disagree. Everyone knew those were the targets to protect. That's why scum obviously doublestacked one of them. His reads were shit, I did not see that much pushing and the nightkill argument is WIFOM. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote: Why are you trying to put suspicion on me when I'm clearly contributing and trying to figure out who's scum. Am I justanothertownie, who is agreeing with town sentiment and isn't actively working to find scum? Am I cephiro, who self contradicted himself with bad logic? Or am I Pandain, a logical pro-town player in the TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir thread. You are Pandain who suspiciously defends a player with bad reasoning. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:08 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: On October 02 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote: Why are you trying to put suspicion on me when I'm clearly contributing and trying to figure out who's scum. Am I justanothertownie, who is agreeing with town sentiment and isn't actively working to find scum? Am I cephiro, who self contradicted himself with bad logic? Or am I Pandain, a logical pro-town player in the TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir thread. You are Pandain who suspiciously defends a player with bad reasoning. All my reasoning is good please go re-read it. I read it. It's bad and this won't convince me otherwise. | ||
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On October 02 2013 07:32 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left. Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read. OO probably town too Just because there are worse players left the good players don't have to be investigated for playing badly? Is that what you are saying? I agree on CC although he made some very questionable decisions and I hope to god Kita is town. Risen i am unsure of and if ObviousOne wasn't the only one who claimed to be roleblocked N1 I would be highly suspicious of him by now. For that he is probably town... | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote: If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town. 1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute. 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact. 4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum 1. I think this is a weak point. 2. This is a weak point too. Why would scum not push their cases to some extent? 3. It doesn't work like that. You talking about him won't summon marv into the thread. Maybe you just wanted to test if he was there. 4. Similar point. Asking him of your opinion won't make marv lean scum on you. You are very interested in the opinion of others about your alignment as shown in another post where you ask everyone to comment on you. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:19 Mocsta wrote: Was that to me? I thought it went: N1 - OO N2 - No RB claim N3 - Zaragon Where did you get a RB? Zaragon died night 3. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:21 justanothertownie wrote: I was roleblocked. N3. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:35 Pandain wrote: When does lynch end? In 1,5 hours I think?! | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:43 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote: On September 30 2013 11:27 deconduo wrote: Yeah, very little reason for VE to be alive if he isn't scum, Surprised Kita and Koshi aren't dead either. I went through Deconduo filter to see his last post (to check if he would be getting modkilled). This came 7min after the cycle started; so I suppose he won't be modkilled. My current list Confirmed Town 8: ObviousOne -> No counter claim on RB 15: Coagulation -> No counter claim on vig Probable Town 1: strongandbig 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 29: justanothertownie Null 2: raynpelikoneet -> Really disappointed he didn't push FirmTofu to address my case yesterday. 13: Mr. Cheesecake -> Claims cop and then disappears? 19: [UoN]Sentinel -> Activity is too sporadic to get a feel for where he stands 23: Risen -> Has pushed Stutters in a really town-like way; but I felt he did not address the crux of the Geript case. 30: Mocsta -> I have included myself here, as many seem uncertain of my alignment Scummy to some degree 10: FirmTofu -> Why has he continued to ignore my case? 11: Pandain -> Keeps ignoring me, and then comes out with a last minute vote on Deconduo. Need to filter 14: Decondou -> The vote backflip on Cephiro makes no sense 16: Stutters695 -> Clearly doesn't care about the game, and made a token post 17: iamperfection -> Acknowledged my case as good, but then didn't break it down I am sticking with iamp Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:40 Mocsta wrote: On October 02 2013 09:35 Risen wrote: I didn't know scum could not roleblock someone and/or roleblock someone they were killing and then claim rb Thats why I said, as the game progresses; the RB doesnt make someone confirmed town. My read on JAT is independant of the RB. I wish he was more forthcoming with his reads at this stage in the game; but he hasn't done anything to make me doubt my read. So, still scummy then... What the hell are you talking about? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:51 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote: If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town. 1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute. 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact. 4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum did anyone read this like wtf Yeah dude. Even answered it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:53 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote: Is this your whole defense? On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote: If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town. 1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute. 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact. 4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum 1. I think this is a weak point. 2. This is a weak point too. Why would scum not push their cases to some extent? 3. It doesn't work like that. You talking about him won't summon marv into the thread. Maybe you just wanted to test if he was there. 4. Similar point. Asking him of your opinion won't make marv lean scum on you. You are very interested in the opinion of others about your alignment as shown in another post where you ask everyone to comment on you. your not thinking marv was killed there is 0 motivation for me to want him to call me scum it serves no purpose to me what so ever it only hurts me to have marv call me scum. And you think if you don't ask he won't say it? Come on... | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:57 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:55 justanothertownie wrote: On October 02 2013 09:53 iamperfection wrote: On October 02 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote: Is this your whole defense? On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote: If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town. 1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute. 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact. 4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum 1. I think this is a weak point. 2. This is a weak point too. Why would scum not push their cases to some extent? 3. It doesn't work like that. You talking about him won't summon marv into the thread. Maybe you just wanted to test if he was there. 4. Similar point. Asking him of your opinion won't make marv lean scum on you. You are very interested in the opinion of others about your alignment as shown in another post where you ask everyone to comment on you. your not thinking marv was killed there is 0 motivation for me to want him to call me scum it serves no purpose to me what so ever it only hurts me to have marv call me scum. And you think if you don't ask he won't say it? Come on... he didnt even leave a last will it still makes no sense for me to drive it out of him. How could you have known that? He posted end of night reads before. If this is your only point you will die. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:59 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 09:58 justanothertownie wrote: On October 02 2013 09:57 iamperfection wrote: On October 02 2013 09:55 justanothertownie wrote: On October 02 2013 09:53 iamperfection wrote: On October 02 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote: Is this your whole defense? On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote: If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town. 1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute. 3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact. 4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum 1. I think this is a weak point. 2. This is a weak point too. Why would scum not push their cases to some extent? 3. It doesn't work like that. You talking about him won't summon marv into the thread. Maybe you just wanted to test if he was there. 4. Similar point. Asking him of your opinion won't make marv lean scum on you. You are very interested in the opinion of others about your alignment as shown in another post where you ask everyone to comment on you. your not thinking marv was killed there is 0 motivation for me to want him to call me scum it serves no purpose to me what so ever it only hurts me to have marv call me scum. And you think if you don't ask he won't say it? Come on... he didnt even leave a last will it still makes no sense for me to drive it out of him. How could you have known that? He posted end of night reads before. If this is your only point you will die. i have made a ton of points your just ignoring them for some retarded reason. Nope. I didn't ignore shit. Your defense is really really weak and you didn't do a good job at pointing us to better targets either the whole day. | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote: 10: FirmTofu- Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town Now look how iamp defended himself today. Yeah. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:14 Pandain wrote: JAT do you really not think decondou is at ALL suspicious? Really? We had this discussion. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:11 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Stream of consciousness: IAmPerfection http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=iamperfection&view=all + Show Spoiler +
Iamperfection *is* scum. (1) iamperfection doesnt scum hunt or follow through with his reads He creates a bunch of scum reads in a list post; but never pursues them to further divine/strengthen their alignment. When he pressures random people in the thread, many of his posts are rhetorical and again, serve no purpose to divine the targets alignment. Again, in his list posts, he has individuals like risen/deconduo as null->leaning soft town. Yet, as soon as those individuals do something suspicious; he is all over them like white on rice. As above: rhetorical questions, or calling out "stupid actions" but not explaining the scum motivation behind it. There is no scum hunting in his filter. Just calling out bad play. (2) The LoneMeow Lynch (a) Kept on trying to suggest that Cephiro would be modkilled for inactivity which is clearly false; and whilst doing this, avoids responding to marv case (whilst being present at/near the time it was unleashed) (b) Gives some sort of reasoning for calling LoneMeow bad town in his list post; zero reason for suggesting Cephiro is town. (In fact suggests Cephiro is leaning scum) (c) Its odd how much he jumps all over Deconduo was voting Cephiro (giving the leaning scum read). If he thinks it is suspicious to vote Cephiro for bad reasoning, then he must think Cephiro is town. [Because if he thougth Cephiro was scum, and Deconduo was bussing; his vote would already be on Cephiro!] Fine... so if he thinks Cephiro is town... why isnt he putting more effort into pondering LoneMeow? Which leads into the LM claim (d) Instantly assumes it is fake; which suggests he did NOT have a town read on LoneMeow. Again, why no vote his way until the claim? Further, his story keeps changing tune as he explains it to yamato, post-lynch. He says he read the filter first, then thought LoneMeow was lying. Clearly, iamp called him a liar first, then 2min later supported it with filter context (i.e. didnt directly indicate he thought yamato was town) As mentioned before, if iamp was aware of lonemeow filter prior, to be suspicious of lonemeow... why wasnt he trying to lead a lynch that way? His actions are not lining up. (e) THen you have the outcome, where he calls Sentinel scum for believing the claim -- which is funny, because I believed the claim originally as well and was not considered scum. More inconsistencies. (3) His town read on Mr.CC (a) When he broke down my Mr.CC case, I should have read my case to refresh my memory, because on re-read. iamp didnt actually break down the case at all. I said (1)"You refused to vote cephiro last cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote cephiro" (2) mr.cc reaction to lonemeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the mocsta doctor fake-claim (3) day 3 votes due to sheeping. The only thing iamp addressed was "even challenged otehrs who wanted to vote cephiro" This looks very bad for Mr.CC; because this "defense" was one of iamperfections more substantiated posts, suggesting a lot of effort was put in. This also ties in with Mr.CC cop claim today. (4) Thread sentiment scum reads After giving Stutters a town read, in both his list posts. Now he is conforming with thread sentiment and willing to lynch Stutters (without any justification). Has also flipflopped his VE several times which conveniently tie in with thread sentiment. Again, no justification. Zaragon JustAnotherTownie Stutters695 Mr.Cheesecake your i dont push my reads is me just not having great feel for this game replacing in is hard. day 1 is extremely important and you cant get a real feel without being there. At least that's how i feel. the ones i have felt extremly confident ie my town reads i have pushed. your other points are stupid and rely on un flipped players. They also take stuff out of context and rely on the results to prove points rather than looking at my actions as they happpened ie suggesting cephiro might not come back. and ignores the fact that as scum i bus like a mother fucker Does anyone really want to tell me this is a convincing defense of Mocstas case? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:25 Pandain wrote: Stop posting I need to do three consecutive points to get my post across You are not getting anymore convincing. The point about the doc instructions is weak in itself. Add to that how they doublestacked and how a doctor was just lynched at that point. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: no Stop the trolling then, will you? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: holy mother of fuck? are people discussing Mocsta as a lynch= Look at the votecount dude... | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah risen, kill me plz, ofmg, this is horrible.. Seriously what are you going on about? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:39 kitaman27 wrote: Are we just naming names to swap to until someone not names iamp sticks? That coag guy looks pretty fishy. ^^ | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:39 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 10:33 Pandain wrote: On October 02 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote: Pandain, now that you arent ignoring me anymore For the third of fourth time. On September 29 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. Don't talk about outside games. And I actually already addressed this. If you did, I can't find it; and I just had a quick check of your filter as well. Seriously.. how the fuck can firmtofu not be present? He said he was frustrated and needed to take a break. I guess because of thug life?! Dunno. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Catching up on thread, starting from top of 276. Great. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:03 Risen wrote: Entering Day 8 5 Entering Night 8 4 Entering Day 6 4 Entering Night 6 3 Entering Day 4 3 Entering Night 4 2 Entering Day 3 2 Entering Night 3 1 Entering Day 2 1 Entering Night 2 0 No worries guys, we just have to be perfect. Isn't it 7:5? | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:26 Risen wrote: If it's 7:5 there has to be a town vig or doctor left. Correct me if I am wrong. 30 players Day1 lynch -> 29 Night1 kills -> 26 Day2 lynch -> 25 Night 2 kills -> 23 Day3 lynch -> 22 Night3 kills -> 19 Day4 lynch ->18 Night 4 kills -> 15 3 modkills -> 12 5 scum remaining -> 7:5 | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:06 Pandain wrote: So if we have a vig, shoot decondou. All agreed? Do whatever you want I don't see us winning this at all. I think it's more likely that there is another doc and no vig though. | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:17 Mocsta wrote: lol get over yourself. no one is getting double stacked. makes it harder for scum to win. I am coming to the same conclusion with firmtofu as well. his deconduo case was for the right reasons, and a bus was not required. agree on Dec then stutters then rayn. for last two I would consider sentinel, koshi and kitamin. I'm not sure why I'm leaving Mr.cc out of that. will be easier pending night kills to discern. This. I would actually love to kill rayn first but I won't be in the way of a deconduo lynch anymore... | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:36 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 22:19 Koshi wrote: Well out of those 3 it must be sentinel. Like, this morning I was so upset with the iamp lynch that I almost start doubting the modconfirmed townie. But it's just impossible. Whose modconfirmed townie? I wasn't sure who JAT was referencing when he mentioned it either. I did not mention something like that. I told Koshi he was wrong for calling Kita modconfirmed although we already lost if he was scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:48 Koshi wrote: I like you the most out of all the townies. <3 But you could easily be scum! | ||
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On October 02 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote: You've been green since Cephiro was lynched after your stupid-as-fuck-doctor-counter-claim, Mocsta. Because if you're mafia, like Marv I will never play another game with you again. I can't believe anyone would do that as town but I believe you are capable of (and did) it. Or do you mean why are you green instead of white? Because I colored all the cells with names based on my view of where we're at. Is it right? Fucked if I know. It looks like we're in defeatist mode here from several people who just want to end the game (I'm right there with them but I'm not plaguing the thread with my own misery because it's not fucking helpful). Never mind that the BM is rampant and people keep "putting others in their place" which just makes for an environment that isn't conducive to a fun game (Pandain, Risen, JAT, for instance, fuck you guys for that shit and if you're scum you can enjoy the same never-play-in-games-with-me again as well.) I want out just as bad as everyone else at this point. I just begged to be shot. Luckily for me I'm apparently suspicious enough to run a mislynch on (and someone can explain that to me because that's fucking nebulous. If you think my filter can reach this length when I play as mafia you're high) so I will not be shot. My VCA isn't netting me much data because we're lynching new people every day outside of Cephiro. So to finally answer your question, you have to be town because I cannot reconcile that level of attention-grabbing stupid behavior on a mafia vs. town lynch (whereas a town versus town lynch or a scum versus scum lynch I might see it differently) and if that IS the case then I hope you go straight to hell, as well. Where did I BM? If so I'm sorry but I really don't think I deserve to be grouped with those 2 here... The defeatist mode was engaged because I thought we already lost and the host just didn't notice. If he have to play it out I will do that. You are suspicious because after a very good start you just faded away like some other players (rayn, koshi for example). You were also on LM. | ||
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On October 03 2013 08:49 ObviousOne wrote: So about that shooting me. Thanks in advance. How very selfish of you.^^ | ||
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On October 03 2013 11:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: btw you guys are bad for lynching iamp. You have no right to complain. | ||
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If decondou is the real medic he is an idiot. I want to lynch rayn today. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:57 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2013 00:55 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, everyone is a medic. We good now? If decondou is the real medic he is an idiot. I want to lynch rayn today. ^ best guy in the thread. Obviously. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2013 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe but this is very unraynlike. Also I don't like how you tried to get the doc to counterclaim. No it's not. And kita was fucking dumb. Or scum. Well, I disagree. If decondou wasn't the real doc it would be the stupidest thing ever to counterclaim him. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2013 01:43 justanothertownie wrote: On October 04 2013 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On October 04 2013 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe but this is very unraynlike. Also I don't like how you tried to get the doc to counterclaim. No it's not. And kita was fucking dumb. Or scum. Well, I disagree. If decondou wasn't the real doc it would be the stupidest thing ever to counterclaim him. No. I am saying we should not lynch him today. IF deconduo is scum, do you think he is the roleblocker? Why the fuck scum roleblocker fakeclaim? Why not someone else? If we lynch non-roleblocker scum we still lose. DECONDUO CANNOT BE THE MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER! ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi This guy however can. That's a far better point. But it has nothing to do with what I said. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why do we lose if we kill not-roleblocker? wut? We don't. | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 1: strongandbig ->Because DP, hasn't been shot because not doing anything. 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: Blazinghand 5: yamato77 6: Kitaman27 -> good analysis post on D2, good replacement 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu -> Who knows? 11: Pandain-> seems townie now 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Decondou -> tentatively green for voting Cephiro D2 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: iamperfection 18: Malongo 19: [UoN]Sentinel - Need to see flips first 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie -> roleblocked, seems genuinely townie 30: Mocsta Probably mostly wrong. In before mafia fake roleblocked all of their own (JAT, OO). Risen, mocsta, rayn were all pushing for my lynch, terribly. Stutters useless scum. Iamp maybe scum. FT maybe scum. I think that doesn't go too well with those reads. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2013 02:04 justanothertownie wrote: On October 01 2013 09:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 1: strongandbig ->Because DP, hasn't been shot because not doing anything. 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: Blazinghand 5: yamato77 6: Kitaman27 -> good analysis post on D2, good replacement 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 9: Chairman Ray 10: FirmTofu -> Who knows? 11: Pandain-> seems townie now 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Decondou -> tentatively green for voting Cephiro D2 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: iamperfection 18: Malongo 19: [UoN]Sentinel - Need to see flips first 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie -> roleblocked, seems genuinely townie 30: Mocsta Probably mostly wrong. In before mafia fake roleblocked all of their own (JAT, OO). Risen, mocsta, rayn were all pushing for my lynch, terribly. Stutters useless scum. Iamp maybe scum. FT maybe scum. I think that doesn't go too well with those reads. Then lynch me. You are one of very few people I really don't want to lynch today. | ||
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On October 04 2013 03:02 strongandbig wrote: ##vote: stutters It's a zombie! | ||
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On October 04 2013 03:28 kitaman27 wrote: Kinda funny that FirmTofu hasn't even been mentioned this cycle -_- Too many targets. | ||
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Yeah koshi did nothing exceptionally scummy. That's because he did nothing at all. This is also true for Sentinel. And rayn is just way to passive for my liking. He doesn't give townreads he doesn't really question people the way townrayn would. You forgot Mocsta btw. | ||
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I gave rayn, sentinel and koshi a pass yesterday only because they voted Cephiro Day2 and I don't think that is a good reason anymore. | ||
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##Vote deconduo | ||
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What do you make of deconduos "crumbs"? And why do you think scum would post this: On September 30 2013 11:26 deconduo wrote: OO claimed he was RB'd night 1. No one claimed for night 2. JAT night 3. What happened night 2? Unless Marv/Yamato was RB'd as well, but why RB who you kill. Something's up. I mean scum would know who they roleblocked and how easily this could be solved. Also Zaragon had claimed being roleblocked by then. I missed that too but scum would probably know that. I guess if deconduo is the medic we lost anyways because he claimed but it doesn't hurt to think about it. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:39 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2013 06:29 kitaman27 wrote: So your preferred lynch today is pandain? Well we need to hit the roleblocker. How to work out who that is, I don't know. I was thinking it might be OO, who just fakeclaimed RB night 1. OO is dead. On October 04 2013 06:42 deconduo wrote: Koshi not being dead either is pretty strange. He's been one of the most active people since WoS/Marv/etc have been killed. Yet its minnows that scum have been killing. Can't tell if serious... | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Could you dumbasses please lynch Stutters? The only reason he hasn't been lynched yet is because scum don't want him to die. Like srsly. It's stutters. How ez would it be for scum to lolvote him if he were town. Stutters. Is. Mafia. Lynch. I don't really get how the bolded is a good point for lynching stutters. Like wtf is that reasoning? | ||
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Town: Coag Won't lynch today: Kitaman Mr. CC Pandain Scummy as shit: the other players | ||
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On October 04 2013 10:39 Mocsta wrote: Jay Who do u think is the best lynch? Who do YOU think is the best lynch? | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:33 Stutters695 wrote: So I take it you guys don't like my Pandain idea? It's possible. But hell there are so many better targets right now. | ||
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On October 04 2013 22:25 Pandain wrote: No because FT is the guy that would flip town I hope you are saying FT is the guy that would do that as town and not that you have a townread on him? So, is deconduo the lynch? I don't know if I can make the deadline today. I will be at a birthday party and if I am able to be here it won't be long before the lynch and I could be drunk. Will be leaving in an hour. | ||
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This effort was not needed. Mocsta we need to talk sometime. I basically had a redcheck on you so I obviously didn't trust you (sorry)... I still would like to know how you could have a townread on me so early. I also would like to know the setup especially how many framers existed. Why the fuck did deconduo claim and why did he play the way he did if he was doc. I don't get it. Sorry if I don't make sense right now I am really drunk.. | ||
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Yeah, I read your stream but I still don't really get a townread on me that early. Seemed really suspicious to me. | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:44 geript wrote: Really... You replaced scum in after you mod killed town... Not cool !!! | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:16 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2013 12:44 geript wrote: Really... You replaced scum in after you mod killed town... Not cool This was certainly the correct thing to do. Malongo had zero posts and he was a replacement of a player also with zero posts. kush was an active player who had to replace out for a legit reason. Mods don't modkill to maintain balance, they do so to enforce the rules. Maybe. But I feel betrayed by you!... ^^ | ||
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On October 06 2013 00:54 justanothertownie wrote: Obs qt? Come on. Don't torment me WOS! | ||
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On October 06 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote: In some ways this was more frustrating than Personality 2, because at least town didn't get close in that game townies modkilling themselves in this game meant mafia needed one less mislynch, which is a big deal, and fakeclaiming to kill the doctor and save mafia is obviously a massive deal. Town could (should) have won this game with "normal" play from about the middle of day 2. Sorry. I felt a bit like LoneMeow to be honest. That's why I believed him in the first place. When you and yamato were killed I lost both of my only real townreads and somehow besides Mocsta who I couldn't trust there was no townie who even wanted to try generating discussion. The whole Day3 was totally wasted. Then Kita came in and went really tryhard so I really wanted him to be town | ||
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On October 06 2013 03:17 marvellosity wrote: As an aside, I enjoyed playing with Umasi, jat, Zaragon - 3 newer players. I hope they stick around and play more. I will stick around but I won't always have as much time as I had the last weeks. And I think I prefer smaller over large games... | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:57 ObviousOne wrote: My take away from this game, for me: I really just don't like big games. My VCA was pretty useless given how the flips went but I'll probably keep doing it / modifying it til it works for me Don't ignore Marv Take away for others: Find out what got you mislynched and don't do that anymore Don't fake claim as town More manner This + don't hardcore lurk as town and/or ninja vote last second. | ||
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