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On September 22 2013 01:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Allow me to preface this post by saying that I want to lynch an inactive this game as opposed to very interactive / talkative person. For the first 3 lynches of Aperture, 3/4 of the scumteam was very inactive while town drove itself into oblivion with the minimalistic pushing of mafia. That's something I'd rather avoid this game. Of the actives, Geript is the most suspicious. On one hand, he is ballsy if scum to go after DP. On the other, Geript refuses to drop the arguement that DP is scum when it clearly isn't founded that well. When someone sticks to a bad argument throughout the day, they are probably scum not wanting to budge their position. Geript is lynchbait typically, which makes me hesitate to lynch him given his current state in the game. Again out of the actives, I don't know how to read Mocsta so I'm going to assume town. WoS is leaning scum for me considering that "Why are you making yourself a good shot for scum, DP" post. I feel fucking great and accomplished when shot N1--and it's good for a townie to make themselves obvtown and scumhunt so they 1) are an obv medic save, hopefully scum will waste a KP on him and 2) they are obvtown to the townies who want to find scum by process of elimination. I'll wait for an explanation on that --- WoS has rolled survivor in the last two games so reading him is a bit wonky. Rest of the actives are pretty town. Can I get a filter list in the OP s'il-vous plait?? I'd like to get rid of Coagulation early Just made a list post so far, not even about reads but about generalized thread events. If Coag is going to be a useless fuck just like in Aperture, we should lynch or vig him early on. I'm voting him. Now we just need the other half of the thread to get active, which probably contains 4 scum or something. For the first bold: He then proceeds to vote for Coagulation, who if he's played with him before always ends up non-stop spamming and outspoken bad opinions. I also don't get the impression Mr. Cheesecakes is as actively concerned about this thread as he makes it seem. He is disagreeing with what he says he wants. Also he wants to be concerned about inactives, and I pretty much gave the impression that I was inactive/wanted to not contribute. "doing my own thing." Him defending me later is suspicious unless he knows I'm town. For the second bold: It makes the assumption that DP is town. He could very well have simply implicitly thought that DP and Gretrip can't both be scum, which is logical and I think makes sense. I'm also always watchful of people who post things they could have easily PM'ed the host(Can you put the filter there please!). I for instance PM'd the host. What does this accomplish? On September 22 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @ Coagulation Why is pandain scummy to you? Just threw that out there and didnt back it up. Aside: yay me and marv share small scumread. Yamato seems town btw. More defense of me despite me clearly being suspicious. I would think that would be obvious. I actually last night voted geript for a number of reasons: 1. See if anyone else hopped on, I didn't actually think a gretrip lynch was valid for a lot of reasons which marv later posted, namely going after a strong player in DP. DP actually later hopping on is suspicious to me as well. 2. Move the conversation away. Gretrip/DP actually told me almost nothing except they're probably not both scum, and some soft meta hints about DP I have to investigate later. 3. See how people responded to my vote. Wanted to see if anyone unreasonably defended me (Cheesecake); Marv gave a good reasoning forever. I disagree that justanothertownie/lonemeow wanting to place a vote on me to get me to speak is scummy, I do that all the time. That's actually the logical result. Also it's pretty clear to me that Yamato is town at this point. His first post helped stop/convince DP and Gretrip to stop spamming the thread with poor arguments. It was getting disruptive and Yamato approached it logically and I don't see scum doing that. He laid out clear strong opinions on 4 different players, gave out new information, and then later pressured people in thread. I've never seen scum actually help the thread move forward to such an active degree, and it's pretty exciting. I'm waiting to hear more Marv analysis. On September 21 2013 13:48 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why art thou presence [RED]NOT[/red] been detected by virtue of filter? | | V *Was present 5 minutes before start. | | V 2.5hrs later. Pandian presence is still unFELT This post is noteworthy to me. Unless it's a theme game, people don't usually do this unless they're trying to actively show how 'townie' they are. But this post doesn't do much, it's a lot of fluff for a small point. I did stuff like this in Insane mafia when running for mayor or other things. However because he is contributing I suggest we wait until later. Obvious one is also suspicious He's making a lot of posts but not a lot of points. Posts like this: On September 21 2013 16:56 ObviousOne wrote: So Mocsta, Koshi, maybe a side of Kush if he never delivers on that case because it otherwise means he's been talking out of his ass. I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem. On September 21 2013 20:55 ObviousOne wrote: If you had written it that way before I would have been less concerned. By concern I mean I saw it as potentially setting you up to look good by casting suspicion right from the get-go. In this scenario, in my mind and my first instinct, you are potentially both mafia. I am leaning closer to town on you after things went pear shaped and settled out. Hopefully we get some more posting today despite the weekend laziness that seems to be happening. Pre-game was pretty exciting comparatively. Way too defensive and way too uncertain. I liken posting as scum to giving an impromptu graded speech, you're always terrified of saying the wrong thing and so you end up saying really nothing. A lot of "maybe"s and uncertainties are in these posts and they make me think he has the scum innate fear. Deserves further look. Out of all of these, I think Mr. Cheescake is by far the most suspicious. He's only defended me and then disagreed with what he said he wanted, to lynch a lurker; instead he goes after Coag for posting a list. I'm going to analyze him and DP later. On September 22 2013 02:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Give me those juicy scumreads youve been fermenting, please. I don't want to vig you if you're town bro Says stuff like this but doesn't really contribute that much, etc... Disagree that his "man you voted pandain early" posts are accusatory, as what I did was suspicious. The only reason it's not is because it was too suspicious. Marv needs to post more, Sentinel I want more analysis out of you and strong opinions, and I want the atmosphere we have now to stay and for people to consolidate your posts. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandains case is a bunch of misunderstandings tbh. I never defended him, nor did I not do what i said prior. I can debunk the post in about 5 minutes at my comp, not really concered about it. On phone atm if anyone has simple questions. Yes I would like you to explain. Also why you feel like voting Coag versus what you said about going for inactives. | ||
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I like about him saying ignore the geript matter, but he then doesn't go on and go after someone. Instead he replies a lot to Mocstad which isn't active effort but rather forced effort. Out of people who have posted so far, he is the one who has done the least while still being a presence. Townie's aren't that defensive. I don't think it's damning of course but don't consider it a null-tell. | ||
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Risen how are you feeling about Sentinel? | ||
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He actually hasn't done anything either, suprisingly as I look back. He talked about Stutters but ended with "I would like to see more." Only thing he did was say Coag was bad. Sentinel you suspicious of anyone else? What are your thoughts? How is life? | ||
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He is self-contradictory(not like FT who while I think is somewhat suspicious is more inherently consistant). On September 21 2013 19:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Time to stop taking my crazy pills and join in the fun. I'm not familiar with Koshi's meta, I can't really say what the hell he's doing. Kush is making more sense than I remember him ever making, I'll keep an eye on that. Aaaaand that's all I got at this point. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 05:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Back from work as promised. Things I know: People who have not contributed - some might be lurking, others may have forgotten they signed up for this game: gumshoe Chairman Ray Cephiro Xzavier Onegu Zenatsu Risen iamp said he wanted to be replacement, what happened to that? Meapak_Ziphh - should really consider linking the filters in the list of signups. It's hard to bring up a bunch of filters when you have to manually type in the URL. Stutters695 - Stutters, like myself, doesn't like kush in this game. I'm actually curious as to why kush suddenly engages actively in the thread, and I agree with the fact that he's being thread police instead of being productive in the townfinding effort. What I don't like is how hard Stutters is tunneling kush. Every post in his filter at the time of this post is directed at lynching kush, or begging others to join the bandwagon, and nothing else. I would like to see what you think of other players Stutters. Coagulation - still completely fucking useless. Other than his "summary of today", which doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting and doesn't even summarize much, he has nothing. Here are his accusations: I would like to see some good evidence for lynching either pandain or geript. The marv thing isn't really an accusation since he's kinda warming up to him and accusing him with some of the least imposing language possible. So three accusations with zero bite, plus a summary, means he might as well have been lurking. Actually it's worse because when you lurk you may have an excuse, whether legit or not. Coag's been reading and posting and still has nothing to say. ##Vote Coagulation This is a very typical "list" analysis type which scum posts to seem like they're reading thread and on top of things, and then in reality they are not contributing. Doesn't say much and contradicts himself earlier; he says Kush is not productive while earlier he said he was. On September 22 2013 07:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I can get behind a Vayne lynch for the sake of removing one useless person in this game. Weak On September 22 2013 10:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Read it. Alright you win. ##unvote vote: Stutters695 Don't know how to feel except like he knew he had a bad argument On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking. I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though. I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red. But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Umasi Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back. Weak, changes again, seems like he doesn't actually know what's going on. I'm also sorry I can't contribute more as of right now, I have too much work to do to go to in depth in analysis with contextual meta and relational play. For right now, as stand alone posts, Sentinel is the most suspicious to me. For others sake, let them know I am currently suspicious of DP for playing more poorly than I would expect and contrary to what he says actually shitting up thread and poor reasoning; I heavily believe Yamato is town; I would rather wait on Koshi as I like him and he has a valid excuse for being away scum or not; I am suspicious of CC still and believe OO is town now. I think Vayne is playing too trolly to be actually scum and I'm wondering where VE is at the moment. + Show Spoiler + As an aside, I disagree with Marv and believe we should not vig at random | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:38 DarthPunk wrote: @pandain. Do you think poor play is a scum tell, a town tell or a null tell? Please give reasoning. That is too complex to answer lol, I can answer short questions now but don't want to become too involved in the thread right now. | ||
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Not like I had schoolwork to do | ||
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Explain your reasoning now | ||
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Plus this before On September 24 2013 07:22 FirmTofu wrote: I'm back. All caught up. I'm starting to have reservations about my case on Zaragon :/ brb doing some filter diving. So he's caught up, but doesn't want to share any initial impressions? He's afraid of sharing his opinions, which is suspicious. Reverts to his reads yesterday? Critizices geript(btw does anyone think he's not town I was writing a good case for why he's a solid town read in my eyes but don't want to post it if it's useless.) for having 5 pages of filter when he only has 3. Aka his playing mindset to him is less than he expects in Gertrip. Usually normal analysis you base how you read others on your own play. Bad posts are different from weak posts. | ||
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Okay I'm going to continue reading. | ||
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In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice). Emotion makes people towns Basically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one. I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know. But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts. Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture. On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote: I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. IDK like I really don't feel great about my reads as I was pre-aperature. That said, everyone else who played and voted for me in aperature and was town were idiotic. I'm just not feeling this game and I think a large majority of scum are inactive. This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe. To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia. Is this clear? Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused. Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah......yeah. That makes sense kinda, but...I mean, didn't he at least APPEAR to try in Les Mis? I don't know and I could go look but I think you'll tell me the truth. Like...pretty ballsy to not only EXCLUSIVELY troll, but ALSO blatantly not do a thing to even APPEAR to help town as scum don't you think? This is where I'm coming from. Also scum Vayne in previous games tries to appear town. If he keeps doing it though and doesn't contribute I wouldn't mind lynching him day three, however. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote: Did you read his day 1? He said "I'm not going to do anything day 1 because we always lynch a townie" and then proceeded to do nothing. When did he say that? To me it appears like he simply isn't giving a shit until later on. | ||
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On September 24 2013 10:38 yamato77 wrote: Not in my experience, at least not early. I analyzed him in Golden Sun including his most recent games. What games are you referring to? | ||
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Not that he's certainly town but surely you don't disagree he's not playing like scum. And I disagree with you that a game in which he trolled as mafia four months ago is even similar to this where he's acting for a vig shot to a player who is probably vig. | ||
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Doubt they doublestacked any of the above, but if they did that means they must have been super on track to shoot them over yamato/marv/VE | ||
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On September 24 2013 11:02 Pandain wrote: Why are you advocating lynching someone who is probably town but useless? There is plenty of people like that, just on another scale of uselessness. People are useful if they are confirmed or useful, Vayne is of the former and is useful for analysis. Not that he's certainly town but surely you don't disagree he's not playing like scum. And I disagree with you that a game in which he trolled as mafia four months ago is even similar to this where he's acting for a vig shot to a player who is probably vig. I would still like this explained. | ||
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Scum KP = 3 Coag evidently shot Vayne. So where's the third shot? Can't wait to catch up and analyze everything with this information. pandain best detective inc | ||
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Yamato, where are you leaning today? | ||
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On September 24 2013 12:52 Pandain wrote: Firm out of curiosity what made you change your read on Zaragon? | ||
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On September 24 2013 18:20 FirmTofu wrote: The way he responded to my accusations. Just felt like a townie response to me. I also know that my case wasn't the strongest evidence-wise, so I am willing to consider other options as well. Like what. How did it feel like a townie response? I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed? | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote: It is pretty bizarre that jat didn't comment on Matt at all. I would think scum would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates town to me. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I would think town would at least want to comment on it one way or another. Indicates null to me. No your thinking good town. Unless you assume he's genuinely clueless as scum, which isn't usually the case. | ||
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On September 25 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote: so the ~20 players who haven't commented on it are all town then? pro logic Pandy. Context context, would assume you know not to generalize traits of scum and traits of town | ||
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No because I applied it in a specific context. Was he doing a long analysis trying to say someone else is better? Just posting to post with small suspicions? If its that, and he's trying to lay low, does ignoring an oncoming lynch make sense? Not conclusive and only a small thing, so doesn't warrant that much discussion. Also it's too much me vs you ATM, and we'll see what he flips after game anyway. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote: Wasn't pandan. Meant to be a high content low volume poster.. Aside from his post to explain his Geript vote...I'm not seeing high content at all. Weird. | ||
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The best way to analyze Umasi is going to be in-depth, to give him some credit I think he's going to end up becoming one of the best mafia players if he keeps at it, but he reveals alignment later on in the game. Keep an eye on him, but I definitely think he's town. He's also contributing more than others. Still really unsure on Mattchew. But I think it has merit. He has been posting stuff which isn't simply bad but also nonsensical or contradictory. Also confused why he didn't vote Stutters instead of Yam when 1.) unlikely for Yam to get lynched, especially if he doesn't push for it (thus what's the point), and 2.) Seems like his reasoning for Yam being scum is way worse. I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future. | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:20 yamato77 wrote: Can we please kill Sentinel? Maybe we can get it going. Going to read him again, a lot of his D2 posts made me think he's town. Since you'll respond to this anyway, I assume you also put forth an argument that I can read? If so, link? | ||
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He's wishy washy-here Then a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum. On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy. He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion And then a sudden change after re-reading? On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one? More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post: And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red. (##Vote Chairman Ray) On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance. Better than yamato I guess. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched. But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes. What do you think of his D2 play Yamato? | ||
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Pushed thread forward, two analysis' on Firm and Lonemeow. | ||
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Has there ever been a game where scum instantly brought all attention to himself and with poor reasoning tried to tunnel one of the best players? | ||
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At the least it generates discussion about them, which is useful. On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote: Well, it seems like the night didn't go that badly. Appareantly there's a vig shot that hit town, but on the happier side of life it seems like we had a successful doctor protection tonight. And no blues were hit. That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either. Want to start seeing this, Ceph. | ||
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On September 25 2013 12:20 Pandain wrote: I disagree that Umasi is scum. He's playing exactly like his town game in Golden. He lurks until he has something to say, and then posts it. And I think his arguments make sense. The best way to analyze Umasi is going to be in-depth, to give him some credit I think he's going to end up becoming one of the best mafia players if he keeps at it, but he reveals alignment later on in the game. Keep an eye on him, but I definitely think he's town. He's also contributing more than others. Still really unsure on Mattchew. But I think it has merit. He has been posting stuff which isn't simply bad but also nonsensical or contradictory. Also confused why he didn't vote Stutters instead of Yam when 1.) unlikely for Yam to get lynched, especially if he doesn't push for it (thus what's the point), and 2.) Seems like his reasoning for Yam being scum is way worse. I think Firm is not a good lynch for today, but definitely a good possibility in the future. Playing like his town play in Golden, and best analysis of him will be later on. Doesn't post aggressively as either alignment early on. Hasn't been spamming and yet I don't qualify him as really lurking. Just waiting. | ||
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I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum. I rescind my past read on Zara for the moment, but would like to see more from him. | ||
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I'm probably going to vote and push for Stutters tomorrow as I think he's actually the best vote choice above Mattchew and Sentinel. Lack of real contribution contrasts with his previous town games. His posts are also bad/weak, such as this On September 23 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote: Part 2: Chairman Meow First, so it's absolutely clear Kush needs to die. He's my number one choice. But if you guys don't dig it today, these are my other choices: LoneMeow: The Mocsta/Pandain post is bad. He never explains the Mocsta bit. Considering he later says he never t called Pandain scum, it's a little ridiculous to never follow up on it. Additionally by not ever thinking that Pandain was scum he essentially has done no work except a "pressure"(in a very loose sense ) vote. Feels too safe and like he has no interest in the lynch, just appearing helpful enough for it not to be him. I also think there is a good chance Chairman is scum, but I'm sick so I want to lay down. I'll type him up later. Seems fake/forced. Also note the "this guy is best lynch BY FAR, but in case you guys don't think so, here are others!" I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote: Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick. Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum? He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well For some reason I feel this is poor reasoning. I'm going to sleep, however. Hopefully more discussion tomorrow. Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow. | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote: Would help if u explained why mattychew will flip town Instead of just Shitting over everyone that has laid a vote..mmmmk? We have gone beyond the point of counter wagon. Chew needs to be proved innocent first. Then counterwagon. Basically I think he's being lynched more for being bad then for being scum, and I would rather lynch someone based on analysis of being scum. | ||
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Maybe I'm being too conservative in compensating, however. He could flip scum. I'll think about it more in the morning. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandain is a decent lynch. His case on me D1 was very wrong and misconstrued many posts to paint me as suspicious. He has a case on Sentinel D1, and D2 he puts more suspicion on Sentinel then says he is hesitant to lynch him in the same post... He wants to kill Stutters too but I haven't see much of that. Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town". Ceph is just a lurker lynch, which is cool. I'll vote Pandain for great justice! ##Vote: Pandain This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset. If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post. People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote. My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options. I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad. I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town. I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter. If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions. There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning. For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town. | ||
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Statements that I am inconsistent are wrong. My scum reads are: Rayn, LM CC, Stutters, and the person I will post about later. I also suspect one of the lurkers to be scum. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? Why have you not pushed for Koshi day two? You are clearly confident he's scum. You have not even been attempting to push him or generate discussion. This conflicts with your general town play to root out scum. On September 25 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain's supicions: D1: Sentinel, doesn't push the lynch at all. D2: Then, about Stutters: "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. " -- Sounds like a real push. Votes for marv, why? No mention about others. Oh, but Mattchew was "not the best lynch" or "not necessarily scum". To be exact: I would also like you to exactly explain this, as this reasoning is bullshit and I think you made it up to put suspicion on me. Explain your thought process and reasoning on this in its entirety. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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I think Marv is town. I am not certain. | ||
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But I don't think it's worth pursuing at this time. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda, my problem with this post is that you spend the entirety of it talking about how Sentinel looks / looked like scum, and then in the last sentence say he is probably town because his D2 is good. If you don't think he's scum, why bring up the reasons for him being scum again? I was talking to Yamato. I was also unsure how to analyze a super scum d1 play with a super town d2 play, so I was sharing my analysis and looking for feedback. Yamato never responded. I now think Sentinel simply played awful day one. Townies do that sometimes. His play has been pushing the thread forward and he has been analyzing and showing an interest to lynch scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:52 iamperfection wrote: As in later panda bear man before the lynch right? Sorry I missed this. But no, I meant later. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a lynch of him if he makes more posts which indicate alignment, however. And what do you think of my Sentinel analysis? | ||
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You also said that if he played more passive you would look at him today. He is playing passive. What do you think of him now? And me giving a caveat isn't real good analysis. You think I wasn't accusing Stutters in that post? Really? | ||
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I think VE is scum. He has been lurking during day two despite being here. Hasn't been sharing opinions only agreeing disagreeing. Votes Matt with the bandwagon then unvotes. You and WoS were both suspicious of VE and commented that he's scum and both of you got shot. I'll post more about it later but that's who I want to get lynched. Also Rayn is feeling really weak to me now. Still think Stutters is scum but I've found better targets. What I need to do is contrast VE with his town/ scum play which I'll do later. | ||
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1. Why do you think I'm a better lynch than others. Please simply explain. 2. Who do you think is scum right now. If you can choose only 6. | ||
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1. You didn't stop spamming like you said you would pre-game. Of course if you hit scum, you would be likely to continue your previous play which is spam + rampant accusations. Indicates scum. 2. You ask too many questions and don't contribute enough. Most of your activity is actually questions. Your case on Kush is too weak for me to find you completely genuine. On September 22 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look at how he interacts with people. Even in his one-liners the thoughts are clear and not wishy-washy at all. It's easy to understand what he thinks and why, even when he does not give complete reasons for his thoughts. It's nothing like this game. He does not follow any "game plan" in this game. His thought process is not clear and his reasons change after asked about them. If you want to have more insight of his meta, please read GoT scum QT (the first ~150 posts). Here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj Koshi did the same in Golden, you know this as well as I do. On September 23 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why did you not push more votes on him instead of giving up when someone disagrees with you? You got Pandain to vote with you, why is it impossible for you to push your agenda if i disagree with you? That's not town!Koshi'y. Looks like you're just trying to find something where there's not. Koshi's response was perfectly logical. And you keep going and going, and I get the impression in your head that everything Koshi is doing hints scum to you. Then you suddenly switch and say he's not a good lynch unless he plays super passive, which he does and then you still don't do anything. Koshi: Is not necessarily town, but definitely not worth to be discussed as a lynch tomorrow unless he goes back to passive-mode. N1 he has played a lot better than on D1, but i would not call him strong town. "DEFINITELY NOT WORTH TO BE DISCUSSED" On September 24 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Even if you are phone posting you will! I know you will if you are town! <3 But he didn't until like 10 hours before lynch. Why aren't you pushing him. This isn't the same mindset you had in Golden Sun or espoused before. On September 25 2013 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't understand Pandain, i just can't. Things he say make sense but then again they don't make sense. Ugh... I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch. This is a clear lie and only makes sense if you had a mindset to bullshit from the start. AKA indicates that you're posting rapidly and not thinking, but you were clearly confident enough to vote me. All in all they're all small details except for the spamming and the questions, which you do in town anyway. I would include you as one of my scum reads but its not certain and I'm more confident in VE, and even note his recent throwaway bullshit vote. VE as an active player does not throw away bullshit votes without real explanation. I will now quickly go and analyze VE. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1. I am not sure if you are the best lynch candidate. Could you answer my post where i ask you about your stutters vote? 2. I am not going to choose any 6 people. That's stupid. I assume you already realize that lynching me is dumb. Your concern about my Stutters vote is that I'm not confident enough? Do I need to respond to that? | ||
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They are also inconsistent with your mindset, even disregarding Golden you've said your mindset several times this game. | ||
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1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading. 2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that. 3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT. 4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing 5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot. 6. On September 26 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I am also going to vote for LoneMeow. For the town. g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:09 yamato77 wrote: All Koshi has done this whole game is call Rayn mafia. That's not true. He has done more. Also note how much I care about this game cuz I'm still posting. Someone please point out why VE response is inherently wrong | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv should i vote for ceph? This is retarded | ||
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Almost like he's scum. Does no one else see this? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote: He has less than 1 page of content, like what do you want me to say? Why did you give up on FT? You clearly thought he was scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 8.German cookie sounds good. I'm mad at Pandain for shittastic cases on both of us too, but does that make him scum necessarily? You focus on me too much. What are your other thoughts | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote: Or lets vote Pandain for making a terrible case. So much better than voting the guy having 14 pages filter and making a terrible case on FT and a terrible 1up case on JAT. You agreed with my case? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote: thanks for your stellar contribution. why don't you just go away? Stop being a dick. | ||
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Besides ceph contributing more, my main suspicion of LM was him voting himself as there's no town reason to. Same applies to VE Day one but his was even more suspicious | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:44 Pandain wrote: Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class: 1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading. 2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that. 3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT. 4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing 5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot. 6. g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense. Repost. Anyone want to switch to a better lynch on a conspicuously inactive person | ||
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Not sold on Zara though I'm having a town read on him | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE is acting funny. He isn't yelling at anyone. Thank you. On September 26 2013 10:15 justanothertownie wrote: I think voting Zaragon is a bad idea regardless... This. Really the only concern I have with him is his posts are few. I'm starting to feel uncomfortable btw with a lonemeow lynch. CC, VE, and Stutters all voting for him. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) Not alignment indicative. I would read the thread regardless of my alignment, and I'm wont to lurk these days regardless of alignment. I'm here when I can be, and I comment on pertinent issues when I can. This does not make me scum. 2) It has nothing to do with "casting doubt". It has to do with getting burned as fuck by people (myself included) confirming someone as town when they (we) absolutely should NOT have. I may believe that Yamato is town (and I do, presently) but that doesn't mean that he's "confirmed town". As I said before: the only confirmed town are the dead. 3) I don't even know what you're referring to here. Maybe a quote or something could help. 4) Again, this isn't alignment indicative in the least. Once upon a time in my mafia career, yes. Nowadays, not so much. However I have been, as you say, commenting, agreeing or disagreeing with things. I don't understand why you say this is a point against me, if anything it shows that I'm trying to figure out the game WITH others. But whatever. This is a null tell. 5) WIFOM. Also as scum I don't shoot people who are suspicious of me. I shoot people who are NOT suspicious of me. Ask anyone. WIFOM defense of a WIFOM point. Suck it bro. 6) Maybe you could explain how this "random vote" is bad. You may not like my reasons, but it's not a BAD vote - guy hasn't done anything and I think he's a fine vote for today. In short, this case is bad and you should feel bad Pandain. For shame. By the way in response to this: The fact is he hasn't been contributing original thought lately. And this day has had a lot of topics. The previous day were agreements and disagreements with statements anyway. 2. If you think he's town, and you should think he's heavily probably town, why try to cast doubt on him anyway. Maybe in later game situations, but now all you are doing is hurting others perceiving him as town which you should do if you perceive him as town. And in my eyes you're being active, not productive. There's a difference and your skimming/lurking. Scum shoot people who are blue or on the right track/good analyzers. In either case, I trust their judgement on you and furthermore I find it suspicious they're shot. May be wifom but its more true then not. Then why vote yourself, as well during day one? The votes were close, why not take a stand/judgement. Came after the deadline and seems like a cop out | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why are we voting for LoneMeow? My read on him hasn't changed much... I think he tried to do something productive and gave up. As opposed to Newb47 (scum game) where it came pretty naturally. I would rather vote for VE, but basically because LM is better than Ceph. LM isn't contributing at all versus Ceph who is(at least now). | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:33 Mocsta wrote: ##unviite vote: iamp And the reward for most retarded vote is.............. | ||
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I go after people because I think they are scum. I need to do psychology now. VE is scum + Show Spoiler + VE is scum + Show Spoiler + haven't even receieved comments on it wtf | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:38 Mocsta wrote: Pandain. U won't get a swing In time. Drop it. Why don't you think he's scum? Iamerfect, why don't you think VE is scum? | ||
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Poll: Would you switch to a VE lynch? No (6) Yes (1) Yes, but I would have to be convinced more (0) No, but I could be convinced (0) 7 total votes Your vote: Would you switch to a VE lynch? (Vote): Yes | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:47 iamperfection wrote: lone your obviously here if all your going to do is vote and afk i will kill you. Feel like this is the worst pressure possible. He'll respond if his life is on the line. Would've been better for everyone to wait and see what he does | ||
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I don't think he is and if so he can/should be counter claimed. Switching to FT for being afk during key timeas well as poor posts before | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote: WTF MOCSTA?! ##Shoot: Mocsta Is this real? I don't know what's going on. | ||
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oh my god Mocstad you idiot. or genius if you're right | ||
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On August 13 2011 02:47 Koshi wrote: Interesting story, where do you download this porn? I think that my "stream" also needs some. :°) | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:15 Mocsta wrote: Sigh.. I'm sorry Indeed | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nice scum claim. How the hell do you even know 2 rb 2 gf 2frame Would be good catch but also how would he know 3 docs 3 vigs and 3 cos | ||
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On September 26 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote: OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME T_T Two blue lynches in a row. This is as hard as an anal rape can get Q_Q Seriously people you need to start looking at some proper lynch targets. Today's lynch was between townies and and seeing at the results we've had I'm not wondering at all even if the first one would've been between all townies as well. This really couldn't get any more worse. This post also seems fake also. *sigh | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:00 Risen wrote: Ahahahahaha this is too good. How bad are TL towns? Every game I've played in since I came back has been an absolute train wreck. So horrible rofl You're a part of it. You were gone for the lynch and haven't contributed shit | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:05 Mocsta wrote: Pandain. Am I mafia? I don't think so. I actually think your medic claim is null rather than town, because I've learned from Golden Sun that mafia can do retarded shit. But your previous play has been town. You have been active and contributing. Not afraid to get into the limelight and be pressured. | ||
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DarthPunk/Strongandbig TOWN Darthpunk rage quitting out was extremely genuine. Unlikely to be scum since he's such an asset. Also too emotional. Furthermore, SnB has been good for his play so far. Such asthis post which is smart. Not jumping on easy shit but actually analyzing. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:19 Pandain wrote: I'm going to post reads, please respond if you disagree with me: DarthPunk/Strongandbig TOWN Darthpunk rage quitting out was extremely genuine. Unlikely to be scum since he's such an asset. Also too emotional. Furthermore, SnB has been good for his play so far. Such asthis post which is smart. Not jumping on easy shit but actually analyzing. raynpelikoneet Scum I've posted before while he looks scum. Weak analysis of me, no real focusing of people, just agreement. Contrasts with his town play in Golden Sun mafia. Notice only person he proactively pushed is Koshi, who he stopped pushing eventually anyway. Despite vote being so close, left two hours before, doesn't make sense for super-active-mafia loving Rayn. Posts like this are bad. On September 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv should i vote for ceph? On September 26 2013 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Koshi has to be town. Why Not just bad play, scum play | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:25 Mocsta wrote: I dunno if that's true. Not the claim part. The not afraid to be pressurised. I haven't been pressured yet. All I have done is chuck the shots yesterday at marv. Cos everyone influential is saying I'm scum, and no one has provided supporting reasons. Annoying as fuck. Anyways I'm really stumped this game. So much isn't adding up. It's more than just having a bad game. Going to have to reread with all reads back to null. So demotivated right now though. You've open yourself to BE pressured by being so proactive. You're not afraid of the limelight. And they're just mad. In an ideal world we would lynch you for lying, but unfortunately Ace isn't here to support me. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:29 Coagulation wrote: just gonna throw it out there I have seen mafia ragequit and replace out of a game plenty of times before. its not uncommon. Examples? Would like to see. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:39 Risen wrote: I left very clear instructions on how to proceed. Real life came up, and I fully expected to come back to an FT or Cephiro lynch. Clear instructions? Instructions? First you didn't post anything except you think FT and Ceph are suspicious. But a bunch of people thought that, including somewhat myself. I would be suspicious of you if I didn't think you were just an egotistical dick. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:49 ObviousOne wrote: If FT is mafia, so is cephiro, or this is just an honest mistake. I can't tell which. Explain this | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:26 Pandain wrote: raynpelikoneet Scum I've posted before while he looks scum. Weak analysis of me, no real focusing of people, just agreement. Contrasts with his town play in Golden Sun mafia. Notice only person he proactively pushed is Koshi, who he stopped pushing eventually anyway. Despite vote being so close, left two hours before, doesn't make sense for super-active-mafia loving Rayn. Posts like this are bad. Why Not just bad play, scum play yamato77 Probably TOWN Got shot, or purportedly shot. Has been active and contributing. Concerned about him not being as active on D2 considering how good he is, but was active day one and good pushing and points. | ||
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On September 26 2013 12:34 Coagulation wrote: umm VE has done it multiple times. ROL did it in insane mafia 2 Regardless, his posts still seem genuine to me. Additionally, didn't RoL have real life problems and not mafia problems? | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: The thing I keep coming back to without trying is the fact that so many people wanted FT dead at the end of the day D1, yet when I was trying to get people to vote him D2 no one was interested. I don't know what it means, but it just seems to me like it should have been easier early on given that he was town. : / LOL | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:37 yamato77 wrote: Even if I believe you honestly made this mistake, it's still fishy that you even bring up that logic, lol. And he's reacting fishily. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:55 yamato77 wrote: No it wasn't. He fucking dropped the case even thought he still "thought you were scum" because Marv and I came to the correct conclusion and pushed other lynches. He doesn't believe in his reads any more than it takes to lynch some townie. Uh if this is your argument its too situational. Disagree he doesn't believe reads as he's been pushing them and consistant. I'm actually going to say Mocsta shouldn't be vig'd at all. I think he's town. I'll explain later. | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:20 yamato77 wrote: You also had Marv and I that both said that you shouldn't take what you just said as a town heuristic. And this "I'll explain later" shit ends. If you think he's town, we have this discussion now. 19 pages of filter before day two. Super active all time. Proactively pushing players. A lot of his pushes seem smart and have good logic. He isn't being dumb or bullshitting(pre bullshit). Like before this I could not put him even near my scum list. | ||
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Gertrip don't modkill yourself please. I will post more after tommorow I have so much arabic to practice. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Despite your early play I think you're pretty town right now. If you were right on OO I will crap my pants, though. On him being town? What makes you think he's scum? | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:53 Risen wrote: I don't understand this. Mr. CC hasn't made any waves and only popped up on my radar this past night. What do you mean waves? | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I meant on him being scum, early game you thought hemaf Oh well yeah now I think he's town. I think I just had a bad small sample of his posts which made me think too much into them. Thought it was constructed and weak. He's better now. | ||
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On September 30 2013 13:55 Coagulation wrote: I see pandain thinks he is most likely town. thats wonderful. Still trying to figure it out. | ||
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On September 30 2013 14:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Cop here Coag different than dead townies lynch him But yeah getting VE lynched will be fun. His reactions are usually telling. It's possible I'm just bad and should be lynching stutters or something, but killing VE is always fun. This is why I thought it was fake, he said lynch Coag but then said lets lynch VE. in fact you're pretty scummy for wanting to lynch a claimed cop regardless. | ||
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Risen is over-reacting to both of us, I still think all four of us are town. | ||
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On September 30 2013 15:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Again, I'm done talking about this useless topic. You guys spent two pages ranting about my clearly obvious jokepost because you can't read properly or think for a second. I mean, it's no different than claiming mafia, or claiming a role that isn't in the game, or claiming a redcheck on a dead townie; it's something so outlandish that it can't possibly be taken true. Coag is confirmed town by many avenues. The fact that both of you took to it like it was some god-forsaken truth and epic play is astounding. There is literally no mafia motive for making that post, and no townie motive either. The only motive that remains is that I felt like kidding around. It isn't supposed to do anything, and isn't there to elicit any kind of reaction. It's just there because I felt like being giddy and 'haha' for a second to myself. This discussion is over. Find scum or don't post. | ||
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What if you are town, what do you hope to accomplish? You buddies yam and marv and now am one of most experienced players here and you give scum reads but don't do shit? Don't update analysis? Don't push for Mocsta despite you thinking he's scum and he has a good chance of being lynched. Or are you both scum and hope with a scum flip the other will seem town | ||
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You however have more than enough suspicion and are actively playing more anti town, if you are town, them anyone except mocsta | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:17 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was hoping that would get people to post, but apparently not. Stand by for an awesome post. Been standing by, where you at and why should we not lynch you tommorow. | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So can you give me a complete read on Koshi? Not on my phone, but he's lurking now which is way super I characteristic of him when he thrives in late game and with less players, hasn't really been pushing, etc... | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf is this shit? no questions anymore, just lynch people? It means its time for analysis more then anything. Everyone is scummy. The question is who is more scummy. | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:59 Stutters695 wrote: Lynch Moc over VE plz. Fun facts: Moc fake claimed to lynch a claimed doctor over scum., ensuring at least one night of extra KP while wasting a lynch. I have been a constant scum read of Moc's yet he wants to lynch VE because he's a better player/hasn't done shit? I don't buy it. Where's your amazing post | ||
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On October 01 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: In this thread, Mocsta gets away with murder, but it's okay because townies do that too. (?) Also in this thread, VE gets accused of apathy, and it's not okay because townies do NOT do that. (?) Your getting lynched because of reasons before this day. You just claim apathy now | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what...no. I'm not getting lynched. Fuck you Pandain, you've successfully driven me to buck my lynch with all effort. I'm not scum and I refuse to get lynched. You haven't been apathetic even before this post. You've been actively following thread. You clearly care just not to help town. Go ahead and try | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:26 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain why you like iamp over FT? No reasoning or justification. What does his vote do? Iamp over FT and stutters? He's suspicious of CC? VE can you explain your reads | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote: What? That they are not getting lynched? You believe they will? Votes keep piling on VE and Mocsta.... I simply didn't know what you meant or in reference to who. Trying to figure this game out | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita thoughts? Am I way off? Do you prefer FT? If so why? ... | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:47 Risen wrote: How convenient... I don't care what he's doing. He was sick, now he's gone. That's great. For what little he has been here he has been scummy What do you think about decondou | ||
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No one knows. Decondou is an old school mafia player who I have played with several times. In fact he is one of the best mafia players and really good at analysis. Here is his filter:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all Despite his experience he has been lurking heavily since day two. He has posted analysis but never pushed anything, indicative of scum never following up on their reads. Also look what he feels about Ceph: On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote: I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: That's a very un-scumlike reaction. On September 27 2013 09:32 deconduo wrote: Where were people calling me out? Also I usually wouldn't be around at the deadline (4am my time), insomnia kept me awake last night. Yeah, maybe you're right. I just can't imagine a scum posting that line completely off the cuff. Despite this he ends up voting him later on, and for different reasons. On September 29 2013 01:47 deconduo wrote: It always unnerves me when there's no resistance to a lynch. However I can't offer any good alternatives. ## Vote Cephiro I could see Stutters being town. He is obviously not following the thread closely and hasn't even voted yet and might be modkilled. However decondou with posts like this: + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2013 07:14 deconduo wrote: First off, a 5/6 vote lynch in a 30 player game is pretty terrible. We need to be a lot more consolidated in our lynches or we'll be torn apart later on. I know there was some confusion over the deadline but that's still only a 2 hour difference. I've tried to skim through the thread and as many relevant filters as possible, but there's a massive amount of reading to do. However I noticed that yamato has an awful lot of filler and not much actual content. Stuff like this: And this: This sort of stuff is scattered throughout his filter, though he does have the occasional content post. Far worse however is Risen. He repeated calls out filler posts: Yet he doesn't have a single post in his <1 page filter worth reading. As far as vig shots go, he would be at the top of the list. Mostly for my own benefit, but might help others Day/Night Posts + Show Spoiler + Filters + Show Spoiler + 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe -> Blazinghand 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier -> deconduo 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu -> Malongo 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta 9: Chairman Ray - Town Parity Cop, Lynched Day 1 Clearly shows his interest. The question then becomes, why does he not post what he feels? Why has he not pushed anything? He is an exagerrated form of Stutters and more likely to flip scum then him. He is not playing to his normal quality and has no reason to unless scum as he clearly shows interest. I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him. FT I would still lynch, however, but decondou is by far the better lynch. Stutters is a distant third now, especially since he might be modkilled. | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:59 Risen wrote: No it isn't, and I've already stated how I feel about decon. Why are you so scummy? It's like you're scum trolling the shit out of the thread I've led plenty of lynches in the last 30 minutes of a thread, not to mention the last quarter of a day. It's plenty of time especially since people become active as the day closes and the highest vote count is 4 for Stutters/FT. Heck if you and Rayn both switched to decondou we would be tied for first, and that's only two people. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why did you not make this case 24h ago? Afaik all the info was there at that time. Fuck you Pandain. Man up and contribute to the lynch. Fuck you and listen. I was clearly pushing VE and decondou was a distant thought in my mind and still had chances to contribute. Why should you not lynch decondou? Give me one good reason . | ||
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Rayn more then Risen as Risen is shown to be stubborn and I already have a scum read on you Rayn. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because after VE flipped his shit and got himself modkilled there has been a big discussion about the lynch targets. I have been saying this every fucking phase. Deconduo is not gonna get lynched today, deal with it. Not any more. Are you literally this fucking dumb? 5-6 hours is plenty of time what the fuck. Remember golden sun? LAST MINUTE LYNCHES ON ZEALOS WTF. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:08 Koshi wrote: ... Strange timing for that case though. Like, why not share the information sooner? Because I never really looked into him. This isn't strange timing and I'm so confused by the accusation. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I remember that you forced me to vote for kushmasta because you and our beloved cop were too stubborn to listen to people who could actually read for him. ffs... I also remember inever ever wanted to lynch Zealos. I am not gonna let that happen here! Answer me now do you think decondou is scum or are you trying to avoid a lynch on your scum buddy. If you think decondou is scum and I have proved he can be lynched given the top canidate only has four votes, why are you not voting for him. Your logic is failing and dumb. If you are town I will give you 10 minutes while I take a shower to look over filters and give me a good response. | ||
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S-s-s-s-s-ss-s-s-ss-s-s-s-ss--econd. I wouldn't mind a lynch on him either but not on Iamp. Stutters isn't too bad but decondou is most likely to hit scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i do not think deconduo is scum. I think you are scum. Why is decondou not scum? There is no reason he is town. I want to see your thought process now so after we lynch decondou you will be shown scum because there is no reason to support decondou. | ||
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Why waste a vote on him which is a shot in the dark and may end up being wrong? If you think decondou is scum vote him with me | ||
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Literally the only motivation for me to then switch out of this is if I'm town and trying to find the best read. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:15 Koshi wrote: Guess I swap Risen and Pandain on my scumlist. Why do you read and not think, post but not reflect. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:18 Risen wrote: Then get on stutters. Now. Wtf are you waiting for? Because decondou is more scummy then stutters? I'm not a mindless town conformist who attacks people who might be scummy and agree with town sentiment but instead go for the best lynches? You think decondou is scum, why not go after him. Is he more likely to flip scum then decondou to you, and if not then why. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote: My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia. iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement. While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself. However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote. When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim. LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier. Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly. This is dumb. So Iamp is more suspicious of LM. Five minutes before lynch happens and LM claims doctor, naturally suspicious. If you're suspicious of someone it makes sense to disbelieve a role claim, nothing anti-town here, just some strange things you're noting. Doesn't indicate scum and he's pro town in other aspects. Furthermore Kita, why do you still have FT as your top scum read here and when do you change to Iamp instead. On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five. I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though. On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote: But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia. Doesn't mean anti-town, there were like 2 minutes left before lynch so of course filter-diving is hard. I didn't even actually filter dive because I was too busy thinking. The fact he filter dived at all indicates town. On October 02 2013 03:13 kitaman27 wrote: I'm actually pretty happy with lynching iamp first. ##Unvote ##Vote iamperfection Stop kita and lynch decondou, do you think he's scum? Koshi, do you think decondou is scum? | ||
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posts like this On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote: 1: DarthPunk/sb- town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways. 2: raynpelikoneet- town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts. 5: yamato77- town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that 6: kushm4sta- dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning. 8: ObviousOne- annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town. 10: FirmTofu- Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town 11: Pandain- his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity. 12: Cephiro- seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him. 13: Mr. Cheesecake- im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl. 14: decondu- confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him. 15: Coagulation- town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims 16: Stutters695- martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though 17: iamperfection- IC 18: Zenatsu/molango- a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse. 19: [UoN]Sentinel- scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum. 20: VisceraEyes- I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum. 22: geript- scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum 23: Risen- i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum 24: LoneMeow- dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly. 25: marvellosity- Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader. 26: Zaragon- scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much. 27: Mattchew- scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say 29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town. 30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc.... indicate he's going to contribute which is better then decondou, On September 25 2013 23:13 iamperfection wrote: ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game. I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=160#3183 he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid. On September 26 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: its a tomb in here people comment on what i have said about risen you can check a recent town game here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Risen i would say his play this game has been different and most importantly different in a scummy way in that he seems much more in the background then he was in that game. Trying to get people to comment on his case indicates town as he's pushing for the reads he has On September 27 2013 07:30 iamperfection wrote: so i will be able to post updated scum reads before the deadline but i will be out the next couple hours i was watching through my phone and i want these thoughts and musings out now. Don't shoot geript i think despite my hatred for such a player he is town. His trolling and ninja voting while super annoying and no town player should ever do it is more of indication of him being town. It puts a huge target on his back and gives him a ton of attention and despite what i am saying here a lot of players would vig him anyways. Its a sucidal strategy and it is likely coming from an idiot townie. I think Mr CC is town. He did the same thing i did when he saw the claim. Opened his filter to see if it made any sense it did not. This looks like to me that he is trying to figure things out. Mr cc would have known that lone was telling the truth if he was scum. conversely Sents reaction troubles me the most because he instantly believed it and didn't even bother to look for reasoning. Marv if your not gonna bother to show up around the lynch don't complain about the result. Its extremely likely your town and you fucking off two hours before when we need you is unacceptable. don't do it again. for night actions drs on yamato and marv dts do what you want LOOK AT WHO HE SAID TO DOCTOR! OH SHIT GUESS WHO GOT SHOT On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote: people that i have no clue or somewhat not sure stutters- i Have no idea he is almost always useless Kush- Whiner complainer who knows. Says he is sick which i could see him lying about. See if he actually replaces Umasi- Still like the point that firm brought up and he really hasn't talked about the game much. some of the things he talked about regarding sent seem weird i guess? Like i don't really understand the point he is trying to make but he seems just as confused as me so hey maybe he is town. VisceraEyes- Like i dont get his apathy earlier but he has said some things that makes sense botherd to show up and seemed to care about the lynch. Maybe that a sign he is town because he seems somewhat all over the place like his thoughts kind of change pretty fluidly recently with regards to me so could be trying to figure things. ------------------------------------- Scummers cephiro- i sheep marv Decondu- Regardless of what cephiros alignment is i think he is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=191#3813 His reasoning is makes no sense and he never explains even when called out for that crap. After being called out he does absolutely nothing up until the deadline. No discussion no attempts to figure out alignments or establish his innocence. Combine this with terrible activity but ability to be around the lynch apparently. He isn't hunting scum because he is scum. Sent- this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absolutely nothing on a major topic while subtly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. Also didn't like his response to the claim. He just immediately believes it and i know he had a town read on him but still townies are naturally supicious he dosnt go look he dosnt freak out much just proclaiming ha i was right fuck you guys i don't see the figuring out of alignments near the deadline Risen- Hes not contributing he is just calling town bad and has apathy that i think is fake. All he does is shit on town and say herp derp town not listening to me. 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On October 02 2013 04:38 Koshi wrote: I had him as scum first but I changed his status to disappointing townie. Why? Have you played with him? He's pretty good as town, he's an old school vet. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:27 Risen wrote: How is stutters not on your list? Like just not even on it? How is he left off of people's list? He's just as scummy as decon Less scummy then decon, he's maybe #5 on my scum list now. Above is FT, decon, Rayn, and I guess he's #4 on my scum list. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:42 Koshi wrote: Nope. It doesn't make sense he plays so silly as both alignments. He's better as town look at some of his town filters through the TL mafia database. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Said to save Marv and Yamato the day they got shot. Yes he's done reads, and pushed them, indicates he's town. His suspicious people got shot last night which doesn't make sense if you want to push them plus they were suspicious anyway. His logic is consitstant and makes sense. I see few reasons to view him as scum and more reasons to view him as town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:50 Risen wrote: And Pandain's defense of iamp just makes me more suspicious of him. Iamp is less likely to be scum than stutters, he isn't a town read. I don't know how you can have a town read on him unless you know something I don't. Maybe I'm better then you? On October 02 2013 04:51 justanothertownie wrote: I disagree. Everyone knew those were the targets to protect. That's why scum obviously doublestacked one of them. His reads were shit, I did not see that much pushing and the nightkill argument is WIFOM. His reads were shit but that doesn't make him scum. What do you think of decondou? The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? | ||
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It isn't the last hour, Iamp isn't playing scummy and you know it. I thought you thought decon is scum, why aren't you okay with even a theoretical switch onto decon? If hypothetically we can get the votes, you still wouldn't lynch him? | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him. | ||
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Am I justanothertownie, who is agreeing with town sentiment and isn't actively working to find scum? Am I cephiro, who self contradicted himself with bad logic? Or am I Pandain, a logical pro-town player in the TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir thread. | ||
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What do you think about decondou? You are clearly reading thread, why are you acting like you have no idea what's going on. Who do you think is town and scum besides iampt? We only need two more votes for a decondou lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: You are Pandain who suspiciously defends a player with bad reasoning. All my reasoning is good please go re-read it. | ||
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Hopefully others will see my points, otherwise I'm going to vote either FT or stutters since Stutters just gave an awful re-entrance post. Will be back later and follow on my phone. | ||
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Why has the FT lynch died. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:01 Pandain wrote: And there-in lies my point. No one knows. Decondou is an old school mafia player who I have played with several times. In fact he is one of the best mafia players and really good at analysis. Here is his filter:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all Despite his experience he has been lurking heavily since day two. He has posted analysis but never pushed anything, indicative of scum never following up on their reads. Also look what he feels about Ceph: Despite this he ends up voting him later on, and for different reasons. I could see Stutters being town. He is obviously not following the thread closely and hasn't even voted yet and might be modkilled. However decondou with posts like this: + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2013 07:14 deconduo wrote: First off, a 5/6 vote lynch in a 30 player game is pretty terrible. We need to be a lot more consolidated in our lynches or we'll be torn apart later on. I know there was some confusion over the deadline but that's still only a 2 hour difference. I've tried to skim through the thread and as many relevant filters as possible, but there's a massive amount of reading to do. However I noticed that yamato has an awful lot of filler and not much actual content. Stuff like this: And this: This sort of stuff is scattered throughout his filter, though he does have the occasional content post. Far worse however is Risen. He repeated calls out filler posts: Yet he doesn't have a single post in his <1 page filter worth reading. As far as vig shots go, he would be at the top of the list. Mostly for my own benefit, but might help others Day/Night Posts + Show Spoiler + Filters + Show Spoiler + 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe -> Blazinghand 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier -> deconduo 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu -> Malongo 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta 9: Chairman Ray - Town Parity Cop, Lynched Day 1 Clearly shows his interest. The question then becomes, why does he not post what he feels? Why has he not pushed anything? He is an exagerrated form of Stutters and more likely to flip scum then him. He is not playing to his normal quality and has no reason to unless scum as he clearly shows interest. I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him. FT I would still lynch, however, but decondou is by far the better lynch. Stutters is a distant third now, especially since he might be modkilled. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left. Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read. OO probably town too | ||
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On October 02 2013 07:39 justanothertownie wrote: Just because there are worse players left the good players don't have to be investigated for playing badly? Is that what you are saying? I agree on CC although he made some very questionable decisions and I hope to god Kita is town. Risen i am unsure of and if ObviousOne wasn't the only one who claimed to be roleblocked N1 I would be highly suspicious of him by now. For that he is probably town... Ignore everything else why is decondou not scum | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote: Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him. What about this | ||
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I instead will be talking about the three lynches today in Stutters, FT, and Decondou. Stutters is not a bad lynch, and maybe I got too agressive with how confident I am with decondou. The fact is he is simply not the best nor the most logical lynch today. If it's between iamp or stutters I will lynch stutters, but I think there are outside factors which blend into stutters possibly being town, namely not giving a shit. I heavily compare and contrast stutters with decondou as their essentially in the same boat and the same scum playstyle, and I have to conclude, as I'll mention later, that he's a worse lynch then decondou. I am not defending stutters as pro town, however. FT I think is still a good lynch. Marv, DP, and Yamato all had their eyes on him so maybe I missed something there. Furthermore his responses have been bad in this thread and he is not really pushing anyone or helping me lynch decondou who he says he is suspicious of. Doesn't make sense from a town mindset. The lynch seems to have died down, however, so we can deal with it tommorow and I'll look into his previous games more. Decondou, as I'll repeat, and I beg you to read my analysis. His meta is not lurking, he is a good contributor. There's an explanation that he doesn't have the time to keep up, but that's counteracted by posts he says which clearly show that he's understanding where the thread is. It is not fitting with his playstyle as an experienced player either to hide in the shadows. I only seem scum motivations. He defend Cephiro when there was a chance of saving him and then bandwagoned him with weak reasoning later on when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. He didn't repeat his previous reasons why he thought Cephiro is town and instead was content to let him lynch. Isn't indicative of town. No one has shared a reason why decondou is town because there is no reason. There is only a scum mindset and thus only a scum play. He is most suspicious out of everyone and I would like people to not just follow a bad bandwagon on iamp, and instead lynch who they think is most likely to be scum. And I hope I have shown it is decondou. | ||
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In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=all Note he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town. How does this prove anything? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote: I assume this is to me. Thats not the point. You have found scum, perhaps, but the person is not here and there is a lot on the line this cycle. Dropping to 2 KP is paramount. If Dec is scum; there are 4 others left. This just feels like a cop out at this pivotal time. Nothing to do with being offended. But I feel he is most likely and am urging you to vote with me if you think he's scum. I have already shared why I disagree with you about iamp being scum, why would I switch to him? I could switch to Stutters, what about you? Or back to FT? But definitely iamp is not the lynch, at least for today. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=deconduo&view=all Then look at here and see the difference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:52 Mocsta wrote: Thats true. Immediately clear. Too late for a vote swap regardless, but he is certainly a safe lynch next cycle. I think we have an hour 8 minutes, not 8 minutes. Please lynch decondou. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:55 ObviousOne wrote: I'm also around for vote switch shenanigans. Let's take it to the max. Do you think decondou is scum? | ||
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He would have switched to stutters rather then decondou as a stutters counter lynch would be easier. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote: I would like it if iamp took the reminaing 50mins, and deconstructed my case. Im struggling to remove myself from it. Do you think he's more likely mafia then iamp? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:07 kitaman27 wrote: Wait what? Are we seriously doing another last hour bandwagon? You've never addressed my points, maybe this is what happens when other arguments are flawed. | ||
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Here is the only thing you said to me: On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. I then stated: On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote: Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him. And you never further responded and even ignored my other points. I think you are pushing a bad lynch and need to reconsider if you're town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:09 Mocsta wrote: At this point, not sure. iamp has some things that can be attributed to town. That is certain. Theres also a variety of inconsistencies and lack of transparency (in my opinion as per outlined in my case). Whereas, with Deconduo I do not see redeeming features; however, I am uncertian on the motive behind the lynch. You are a complete unknown entity to me pandain; so you can appreciate that trust between you and I is hard to generate. Especially when in the same post as casing Deconduo, you suggest that Stutters/iamp are town. (who the thread is set on) and that FT is lynchable (who the thread is NOT set on)... Yes, I am concerned. I do not think Stutters is town. I think he is maybe scum, but he could be just really bad. I am more certain though that decondou is scum, and he should be lynched today. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote: As an aside. Deconduo called Mattchew town for saying WoS should be medic'd. Now pandain is calling iamp town for saying Marv should be medic'd The syllogism is: If Deconduo is scum; for observing the medic tell as town. Pandain is scum; for observing the medic tell as town. Thats my case I don't understand this at all. The iamp case was made with poor reasoning and probably joined by bad motives. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:14 kitaman27 wrote: That's not a good defense. I've directed the medics as mafia several times into players that I'm going to shoot. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that yamato and marv were good medic targets. Then you're a really bad mafia player because telling town to protect who you're going to shoot seems quite unproductive to me. You also fail to address my other points. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:15 Pandain wrote: Then you're a really bad mafia player because telling town to protect who you're going to shoot seems quite unproductive to me. You also fail to address my other points. It wasn't just protect ___,___, yam, marv ___, ___, __. It was protect Yamato AND marv and THOSE are the people. | ||
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Or maybe they're mafia. | ||
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Your points don't seem strong at all I don't see why you view him certainly as scum, even as scum I can't believe. | ||
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Why would a mafia member tell medics who to protect. Holy shit. | ||
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It's clearly 100% counter productive. | ||
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Rayn is incredibally suspicious for different reasons and trying to keep a vote on iamp last second Recognize suspicious behavior and put it into your own play. Kita has weak reasons, don't know why you guys are following them, decondou is more suspicious then anyone else. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:52 Mocsta wrote: Thats true. Immediately clear. Too late for a vote swap regardless, but he is certainly a safe lynch next cycle. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote: Pandain, now that you arent ignoring me anymore For the third of fourth time. Don't talk about outside games. And I actually already addressed this. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:33 Mocsta wrote: Uh huh. So explain the scum motivation behind that decision; and specifically, explain why it CAN NOT be town motivated. Consider: You literally said decondou is a safe lynch and clearly different from his town play and agree he's not contributing at all and has no redeeming features. Meanwhile iamp is inherently iffy because THERE ARE QUALITIES WHICH MKAE HIM TOWN. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:34 Risen wrote: The amount of trust I have for Pandain is severely limited by his interactions around the Mr. CC fakeclaim (the first time he claimed cop but then said loljk) Coming from the person who still doubts his cop claim, I have little to believe in you being represenative of how to react to a role claim. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:35 Risen wrote: But I also think rayn is scum. This is hard. Do you want to switch to rayn? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:36 Mocsta wrote: And yet, you are pointing out statements; thus, not answering the question with pertains to motivations. Here is easy scum motivation I see: Decondou is scum. Iamp is town, you then say "Oh shit decondou is a good lynch but it's too late". Then you realize that there is still time left and you stall and say "I want to hear from other people first" besides thinking for yourself. I still plenty of scum motivation there, because decondou is scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:37 Mocsta wrote: He will only get modkilled if he doesnt vote, I assume; as he made one post within the first 7minutes of thsi cycle. Will Deconduo be modkilled for not voting? Didn't SnB not vote, though? In previous day cycle? And no modkill | ||
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But him over iamp for sure. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:38 Risen wrote: Quick tally who can swap to rayn? Just post me in the thread right now. me On October 02 2013 10:40 Risen wrote: scum scum I'll be voting iamp. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:40 Mocsta wrote: The question was specifically identify why there is zero chance of town motivation. Anyone can construe something as scummy. Now is your chance to prove why I can't be town. GOGOOGOG There's not zero chance, anyone can be completely retarded. But I got the impression from you that you would be willing to go to a decondou lynch IF THERE WAS MROE TIME. You said it was too late for a vote switch . Then there is and you delay. Is there a town reasoning? Yeah. Is it likely? No | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote: Well I already provided justification to why I wouldnt instantly do it. Its odd you continually choose to ignore it. You are still a massive question mark. Its still unclear why you had to wait 4hrs before the lynch to come into the thread and make a presence. Pushed VE before, then he got modkilled. Then it was like 6 hours ago and I brought forward after thinking why decondou is more likely. Don't try to throw suspicion on me when you're clearly more suspicious. | ||
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You all should be ashamed of yourselves. | ||
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You go afk during the whole fucking thread and then talk smack to me? Go and try to ever earn respect from anyone in this forum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:50 Mocsta wrote: I actually would not be surprised currently if iamp is town; deconduo and pandain is scum. And pandain has been trying to bus a useless deconduo to gain town cred; and somehow it backfired massively. ##Big Plays 2013 Yes, that would be highly embarrassing. If you think I would try and lynch a teammate decondou this hard you are utterly hopeless and should quit this game. | ||
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Others should join me and hope for the best despite a clearly inferior lynch. | ||
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Furthermore, he is clearly not interested in helping town and instead sheeps previously said statements. | ||
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That in itself frees him of much suspicion, and I don't think the other accusations hold much wait. Even if you don't agree on decondou, stutters has been held suspicious by many of you and I urge you all to vote him. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:54 kitaman27 wrote: GUYS. IAMP IS 1-2 VOTES AWAY FROM SAVING HIMSELF. STOP THE LAST MINUTE SCUM SWING. Stop you're bad. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: ermmm.. wow.. I would love to hear that one. You are so bad at this game | ||
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Please use your own head and logic. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:58 Mocsta wrote: Can you please explain the sentinel read in a bit more detail. Now is not the time for that we have two minutes. | ||
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You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Medics please protect me. | ||
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Others are probably Rayn, stutters, and ?? | ||
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On October 02 2013 11:48 Risen wrote: You have 0 right to be anything but sorry for this game. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:59 deconduo wrote: Hey guys, sorry for the inactivity, will explain later. ##Vote iamperfection Where's that explanation | ||
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Mocsta and decondou, Rayn and SnB, and possibly/probably stutters. | ||
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Had no good reason to switch and said you were suspicious of him. There are too many contradictions for me to believe you are town. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:49 justanothertownie wrote: SnB as scum would be a dick move by DP. Yeah I want to see him post more, he's been more active elsewhere on the forum so he's clearly not simply afk. And he's been posting. Don't know where he is. Is it just FT, then, as last scum? | ||
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One thing I'm still somewhat questioning however and deserves further analysis is whether FT is scum. Not sure how to analyze him voting for random people, on one hand he seems town for bucking the trend unconventionally on the other hand he seems scum for not lynching an obvious scum. He should definitely be one of the last ones lynched. Tommorow should be decondou, then stutters, then Rayn. After those three it gets more tricky. While the above indicates SnB is town it doesn't clear him and I'm wondering why he isn't contributing more, SnB what are your thoughts on the game? Mocsta and FT are definitely more suspicious and should be the ones lynched after Rayn. Does anyone disagree with the order Decondou, Stutters, Rayn? Firm are you going to be around later? I want to push you and see if you're entirely consistant . Same for Mocsta except I'll simply make a big post on his suspicious behavior and he can respond. Hopefully before night. Medics should protect me but I'll probably get double stacked honestly. Maybe even left for tomorrow and then shot. I believe if I get double stacked however we still have a chance of winning without another doctor or a vig, which will be worth it by far. Doctor do not claim no matter what, you right now are the most important person in the thread. Vig, if instead you exist, shoot decondou or Stutters. Decondou is the safest option but Stutters is on auto-lynch anyway so if he's not scum we're screwed. | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Told people to lynch stutters. People didn't lynch stutters. /complain. Unfortunately it doesn't matter they didn't want to lynch Stutters or decondou despite both being clearly suspicious. | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:54 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think that Mocsta is more likely fake-claiming at lylo? I really doubt we have 3 medics, 2 parity cops, and a vig. | ||
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Town goes 3/3 in the next six days. It turns out Coagulation wasn't actually a vig but a doctor and he managed to save a shot. In the last lynch, they lynch the second to last mafia. Only one left and they win. Mocsta was Mafia! Unfortunately Firmtofu, the Vanilla Townie, was modkilled for failing to vote Mafia wins! | ||
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you literally think I'm mafia? The only guy trying to stave a lynch off a townie and lynch decondou/stutters? | ||
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Now begins round two Stutters | ||
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On October 05 2013 12:57 Coagulation wrote: You fuckers need to stop acting like spoiled little bitches at Meap. He spent his time hosting this game for you retards and your gonna trash talk him cause he made some fucking mistakes. Except to a lesser degree and realize people make mistakes and he apologized | ||
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