We will start pushing back in the face of further pushbacks should there be any further pushing. Pushing updates is still okay. Also pushing kids is bad and you should feel bad.
On September 18 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Shut up Kush. Here bring it to the people who know:
Attention Team Liquid Mafia Players! Kushmasta has uncovered a scumtell for VisceraEyes! Apparently, the only time VisceraEyes ever uses CAPS to EMPHASIZE words, is when VisceraEyes is actually nefarious scums!
How accurate is this tell? For bonus points, why or why not?
On September 18 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: One game does not refute his claim - after all, I could have been attempting to subvert my meta after all.
But I agree with you OO his tell is retardedsauce dumped on top of a bullshit-burger.
There may be a sure fire tell but I'm not going to tell them or find out if it holds true. Also one feature does not a sure fire tell make! It just lets you know that you need to spend extra time looking at someone, right? Right!?
Oh look, OO withholding information from town. He's totes scum!
On September 19 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote: Words cannot express how unappetising that looks
We think the same of some of your food dear. Ours may make us like MC, but damn does it taste good.
yeah, but i don't go around linking british food that looks like shit.
edit: like seriously, i eat crumble reasonably often, and it never looks like that. it looks... nice. :/
edit 2: just look at that atrocity of a bowl it's served in.
Yeah I did a 2 second google search for cherry cobbler on imgur so I could be lazy and not save/reupload myself. Can look it up yourself, some people make it real fancy but it's not generally served in a fancy dinner-style setting. I've mostly had it at large gatherings where it's produced "catering style" ala large batch thrown together as inexpensively as possible to maximize profit. Oh, and in grade school, ages and ages ago, same deal there (make enough for 400+, big school).
On September 21 2013 12:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: DarthPunk, did i understand you right? You want me and VE tunnel each other?
Why not? It would help me read you both, So kind of useful for me.
That's fucking idiotic, even i know it...
How is it idiotic? Two people going at each other usually leads to heaps of information by which you can make really solid reads. Don't see how it is idiotic.
But I don't think it is necessary anymore regardless. You both seem pretty townie to me.
Okay. I wanna try somehing this game. Let's scumhunt as a team ok? In case you are scum, you'll fuck up at some point, in case i am scum, i'll fuck up at some point. In case we are both town, HALLELUJAH!
Why even add the option that you are scum? Strange, I dont remember you doing that.
For realz I am in bed now.
Intentionally ignoring the fact that the two have experience with one another? That Rayn is literally saying "let's play together like townies and if I'm scum I'll slip" is scummy? What? That's man-mode right there. What's with your shit posting Koshi? Like, really shitty posting. I'd like to hear more from you before I lynch you but you're apparently gone for the weekend. Anyone else getting this vibe off Koshi? Fake participation and useless interjection?
K read it all twice. I want to talk with Mocsta when he stops the ASCII art. Whacky intro going after someone because they were around right after game start when they were there right before. Not that it isn't a point of evidence potentially but that it's utterly useless on its own. Mocsta knows better than that. How is it much different from my post at the start? Do you know Pandain's time zone and schedule?
On September 21 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: God. As soon as I see Obvious I want to go after him. Super weird feeling. Maybe i'm still mad about Catch 22.
So Mocsta, Koshi, maybe a side of Kush if he never delivers on that case because it otherwise means he's been talking out of his ass.
I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem.
On September 21 2013 16:56 ObviousOne wrote: So Mocsta, Koshi, maybe a side of Kush if he never delivers on that case because it otherwise means he's been talking out of his ass.
I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem.
BIG WORDS !!!
have you been playing on MS !
No. I should check it out. I talked with Prome a lot about it when he used to play. I bet that diatribe about his ego is still I'm his profile.
On September 21 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Relevant: Pandain votes geript prior to posting in thread.
Hello town VE!
I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'.
If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence?
Explain.
P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me.
Im off; but would like an answer to the above.
VE said he was going to bed. Then he presumably couldn't sleep. [Scum sleep very well FYI] QED he's town!
You picked on Pandain and then said goodbye. Then you came back wondering why I was picking on you for what you deemed to be similar. [Also this hit and run tactic you're playing is disconcerting] QED you're less town than VE!
I don't know if you're scum but I certainly don't have a town read on you based on what you've done so far. Your answer about it being a binary idea threw me off, I thought there would be something more to it, so I am not really satisfied with the answer. Then again, I didn't really expect an intricate answer either, so I'm still confused:
Why Pandain, what made Pandain special that you sought to look him up / keep tabs on him based on the pre-game? Did you just notice it to bring it up? Was there a motivation or other information you have that leads you to believe that Pandain is someone worth paying attention to right at the beginning of the game? We have more information now since some time has passed, so I'm mostly curious about what it was at that point in time that had you preoccupied with him. "It's a binary thing" is a non-answer to me.
On September 21 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Relevant: Pandain votes geript prior to posting in thread.
Hello town VE!
I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'.
If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence?
Explain.
P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me.
Im off; but would like an answer to the above.
VE said he was going to bed. Then he presumably couldn't sleep. [Scum sleep very well FYI] QED he's town!
You picked on Pandain and then said goodbye. Then you came back wondering why I was picking on you for what you deemed to be similar. [Also this hit and run tactic you're playing is disconcerting] QED you're less town than VE!
I don't know if you're scum but I certainly don't have a town read on you based on what you've done so far. Your answer about it being a binary idea threw me off, I thought there would be something more to it, so I am not really satisfied with the answer. Then again, I didn't really expect an intricate answer either, so I'm still confused:
Why Pandain, what made Pandain special that you sought to look him up / keep tabs on him based on the pre-game? Did you just notice it to bring it up?
Was there a motivation or other information you have that leads you to believe that Pandain is someone worth paying attention to right at the beginning of the game?
If I thought he was worth paying absolute attention to, I would have put a vote. It was an observation, to prompt him to contribute. It worked somewhat. He laid an unjustified vote.
We have more information now since some time has passed, so I'm mostly curious about what it was at that point in time that had you preoccupied with him.
When I came back to the thread, and started skimming because everyone sounded like they were butthurt instead of hunting scum. Then I remembered Kush sayiung me/Pandain should be modkilled. Then I coudlnt recall pandain making a post.. which made me uneasy.
I can't speak for everyone; but I was getting pissed off waiting for MZ to start the game. All I wanted to do was make a fisrt post, and then proceed to lurk because it was saturday day, and I had shit to do. Instead I had to keep sitting at the comp for liek1 hr, pressing F5.. In my frustration i made that post "..."; considering pandain copied me, i figured he felt the same way as opposed to trolling. Hence, to my surprise he was not quick at the bat to make a post; nor a post throughout the first couple hours.
Correct; but the original question was stupid and pointless. So you got a stupid and pointless answer.
Shit in, Shit out.
If you had written it that way before I would have been less concerned. By concern I mean I saw it as potentially setting you up to look good by casting suspicion right from the get-go. In this scenario, in my mind and my first instinct, you are potentially both mafia. I am leaning closer to town on you after things went pear shaped and settled out. Hopefully we get some more posting today despite the weekend laziness that seems to be happening. Pre-game was pretty exciting comparatively.
On September 22 2013 07:25 Pandain wrote: Marv I'll look deeper into Obvious One but I don't see any real naturality. Instead I see construction.
I like about him saying ignore the geript matter, but he then doesn't go on and go after someone. Instead he replies a lot to Mocstad which isn't active effort but rather forced effort.
Out of people who have posted so far, he is the one who has done the least while still being a presence. Townie's aren't that defensive. I don't think it's damning of course but don't consider it a null-tell.
Hi
You're wrong. It will take you some games to realize that your pithy heuristics do not apply to the Obvious One.
Listen to Marv VE and I like Rayn for what he wrote on this page. Just look somewhere else. If I wake up and you haven't gotten your shit together I'll be forced to believe this is scum agenda because you don't even know me, bro. Have a pleasant day.
PS lets actually see what Vayne says when he says something alignment indicative. Trolling is his survival mechanism based on our last game together, so wait for the content. If he chooses not to do so today, that will be indicative as well and we can burn him with the fire of a thousand suns tomorrow.
I got the bad feels about Koshi. The VA push seems like lynch bait 101. Easiest move to make for scum. All he has to do OS aggressively talk about VA trolling and keep it in the foreground long enough to catch some steam and boom, suddenly it a fellatio party where everyone is down with the sickness.
Coag not playing is currently a non-factor as well given he does that all the time.
On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though.
Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion.
Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later.
I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him.
Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read.
On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though.
Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion.
Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later.
I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him.
Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read.
They're italicized rather than capitalized OO. You're safe.
Or are you?
It's debatable. I have a fever. Things are warped slightly. Please make Pandain piss in someone else's cheerios. Give me your thoughts on CC?
On September 22 2013 07:58 Umasi wrote: koshis like a less extreme rayn imo, the way I read him is how sincere he sounds, but I'm still on the fence about him
Does that worry you? Signal to noise ratio too low? Also what are his other thoughts other than VA? I don't recall any off the top of my head.
On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though.
Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion.
Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later.
I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him.
Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read.
They're italicized rather than capitalized OO. You're safe.
Or are you?
It's debatable. I have a fever. Things are warped slightly. Please make Pandain piss in someone else's cheerios. Give me your thoughts on CC?
I have a hard time reading CC because he so damn sexy. He's at least contributing, and I think that's enough to not kill him today...much like Mocsta before him. Leaning town until he does something I really don't like.
I need to see him in an argument with Not-Pandain to decide. Preferably a big messy one. Then I will judge him. If it helps I came to the same conclusion for opposite reasons.
What it really boils down to is that he's not trolly enough for an easy town read. I see him closer to his scum self than what I remember of his town game.
Actually the more I think about it, he hasn't done the whole "bus my entire team all day every day" routine. Fuck it. Town from me as well.
On September 22 2013 08:15 kushm4sta wrote: Also can't reveal my capitalization tell on ve since its not worth it because he's just town and I want to use it in the future but I am 100 percent sure he's town. Yup get metad bitch. Next I will meta dp.
Got a good chuckle out of this. You can live today too.
On September 22 2013 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to parrot rayn here though and say that the longer it goes between his "I'm catching up" post and something with some substance, the worse he looks though.
Not what I was getting at but I'm fine with the suspicion.
Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later.
I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him.
Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read.
They're italicized rather than capitalized OO. You're safe.
Or are you?
It's debatable. I have a fever. Things are warped slightly. Please make Pandain piss in someone else's cheerios. Give me your thoughts on CC?
I have a hard time reading CC because he so damn sexy. He's at least contributing, and I think that's enough to not kill him today...much like Mocsta before him. Leaning town until he does something I really don't like.
I need to see him in an argument with Not-Pandain to decide. Preferably a big messy one. Then I will judge him. If it helps I came to the same conclusion for opposite reasons.
What it really boils down to is that he's not trolly enough for an easy town read. I see him closer to his scum self than what I remember of his town game.
Actually the more I think about it, he hasn't done the whole "bus my entire team all day every day" routine. Fuck it. Town from me as well.
How do you know I'm not bussing coag/LM?
Look at aperture d1. Felkyr and alakaslam were my punching bags.
Lol hey that's a pretty cool self-reflection. I like it. Does you no good to point it if you're mafia.
Besides, it's like a day 1 read and all that. Subject to license and agreement. Terms and conditions apply.
On September 22 2013 08:54 Zaragon wrote: Done reading filters for the night. Marvellosity feels town. yamato77 felt very town, but one long first post relatively late in the day can easily be very pro-town scum so I'll put him as neutral until I have a pattern to go on. Pandain same deal, except with less initial town feeling and thus more leaning towards scum.
I'm thinking I'd prefer a lynch to generate information day 2, as much as it pains me to skip non-contributors.
I'll elaborate and look at links if it's still relevant by tomorrow, now I need sleep. Have fun guys
First post game (a la the thread!). Let's crack this!
On September 22 2013 08:54 Zaragon wrote: Done reading filters for the night. Marvellosity feels town. yamato77 felt very town, but one long first post relatively late in the day can easily be very pro-town scum so I'll put him as neutral until I have a pattern to go on. Pandain same deal, except with less initial town feeling and thus more leaning towards scum.
I'm thinking I'd prefer a lynch to generate information day 2, as much as it pains me to skip non-contributors.
I'll elaborate and look at links if it's still relevant by tomorrow, now I need sleep. Have fun guys
First post game (a la the thread!). Let's crack this!
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote: Do you have thoughts about that post or no?
It says almost nothing.
You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.
So you think only scum posts like that?
I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?
On September 22 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote: No, I don't. But if you don't think it eliminates him as town you shouldn't expect me to think so.
Your answer is super evasive in mentality IMO.
It was a simple question. I would have expected town to answer it and then possibly retort that "OO is dumb lol" but you sort of gave me the equivalent of a dumbfounded look. It's... Interesting.
Based on my quick preview of JAT's filter from his newbie game, I have deduced that his style can be generalized as early-game-reactive, late-game-proactive.
I'm basically going to think he's scummy today no matter what, so (cover your eyes, earmuff your children) I need to wait and see with him.
Only question I have for you right now JAT: Have you played mafia before outside of TL? If so, briefly describe it.
Take a look at Yamato if you're bored. Something about that sentence structure and diction is screaming mafia at me. Need to look at his older town games when I wake up. Night (unless insomnia grasps me again).
On September 23 2013 05:55 Koshi wrote: I never said FT was scum. I said I had no problem lynching him. Then you said: why. Then I said: I expected more. Then you said: elaborate. Then I summed up all his actions in 2 sentences. Then you said I said FT was scum. Then I made this post.
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.
Convince me on Sentinel, if you won't listen to me about Ray.
Give me time then. Can't bang it out on mobile. And yes, I know time is scarce.
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.
5*
In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads
On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf.
5*
In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads
And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.
That's like job #1, right?
Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me.
That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston
Lol fuck
Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners?
On September 23 2013 06:56 ObviousOne wrote: WoS who you want to talk about?
Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town.
I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.'
yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today?
More information betta.
Okay I'm at my computer now yay!
Full re-assessment on Sentinel on my end starting in the background.
@Sent LoneMeow was the one who was replying to stuff half the game back, right? I did that my first scum game, lol. I think I also did it in a town game as well (Fruity?). That's the major thing I remember about him.
On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote ##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.
Someone look at this first paragraph with me and tell me how it is or it not analogous to "don't want to vote FT since he can't defend himself"
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote: Chairman Ray, not Rayn.
Yes, I think I can get him lynched.
Oh, flerp. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah, you probably can get him lynched. I'm not sold on him being scum>bad town though. I'd probably lean towards him being bad town but I also have a bad track record of giving people the 'bad town' benefit of the doubt when they may not deserve it. I feel more strongly about Lonemeow being 'bad town' than Ray and Ray himself seems to be comfortable with his LM vote....
On September 23 2013 05:47 yamato77 wrote:
On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote: Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post
I'm intentionally not tilting this game.
It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP.
What I really want to talk about is DP v FT because I'm still pretty bothered by many of DP's reactions this game. I am aware you're currently still leaning town on him but I wonder if you know what a mafia DP is capable of? I have never played in a game where DP was mafia.
Generally even bad town don't continually make posts that effectively say nothing.
I'm not leaning town on DP. I'm firmly null on him. My official stance is "not going to pursue any further because accusing him doesn't help his alignment become much clearer."
At what point will his alignment become clearer? I'm not a fan of 'wait a few days and if they're still alive, lynch' because we're already going to have quite a few of those in this game. Have you played with a mafia DP before?
I have, twice.
In Personality 2, all he did was bitch about people pressuring him to contribute as a replacement and coast along until endgame.
In Catch 22, he made shitty pushes (namely on me for accusing him) and continually claimed there was no way to catch him because he plays town and scum exactly the same.
Sound similar? Hence my initial suspicion.
I hard bussed him because he bussed me without permission. He's still mad about it. That's why he got lynched D1. You're welcome!
I've re-read through Sentinel three times and I'm seeing the bigger picture here, gonna unvote him. He's at least talking and while his vote towards Yamato is weak, his previous votes are all fine for what they are. I also buy his response regarding the vote thing.
On September 21 2013 19:27 Mocsta wrote: @VE Sorry for the cop-out; but I will give you my thoughts on the Geript/DP situation having onyl re-read up to p28 (where Geript says, see you on Sunday. Bye).
(Copping out, cos im busy till voice mafia starts. and then.. its voice mafia lol. so wont be reading this).
Basically; im suspicious of Geript up to that point. Reading the posts and giving him benefit of the doubt. He suspects DP is scum for not being assertive. OK fair enough perhaps.
My issue is how he pushes after that... instead of trying to firm up his read on DP and inquiring about him. Geript reads to be as emotionally unattached and making posts to bait DP into a fury.
I agree that two people fighting early on, are typically town; but usually ppl are trying to out-wit each other in the battle to declare the other, scum. I just don't get that feeling from Geript. He just feels removed. I am not a pro at blue-hunting, but I dont think a blue role would be this type of removed either, which leads to leaning scum. I know Geript made a defense case later on, so once I have read the whole thread again, I will let you know if I feel strongly enough about this lean to lead with a vote.
P.S. I think its townie points that DP/VE didnt want to get into a shitfight. Even though he says he isn't "meta-able' I think that a scum DP would be more than happy to get into a shitfight this early on, and then rest of his laurels for a cycle or two.
On September 23 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote: Marv, how do you feel about hanging an asshole aussie?
I dunno, I'm bad at reading active players on Day 1. Workin' my way down the playerlist at the moment. I'm at Firm fwiw :p I'll definitely get to Mocsta though.
Convenient given that Mocsta is dead last on the list.
On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote: A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count? At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today. Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town.
On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote: A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count? At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today. Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town.
Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history?
Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him.
On September 23 2013 13:23 ObviousOne wrote: Hokay then.
Do not Vig DP.
Unfortunately. I don't think geript will change his mind.
If he shoots you I will not rest until he is buried. He's aiming for scum VIP two games in a row.
Why would you do that? If he vig's me he is likely the town vig no? To be honest I would like the medic to protect me from his vig shot. It is my only hope.
I'd settle for him getting himself modkilled for playing against his win con.
On September 23 2013 13:16 Mocsta wrote: Dp. Question Do you known to ever troll?
What?
I am going to interpret this question as 'Am I known to ever troll' and the answer is no. I may have trolled a few times in previous games. But I generally try my best in every game I play.
Correct.
On phone so sorry. I'm notorious at bad typing when phone posting.
So if u do t troll.. why did u troll Ve at start of game?
I'm trying to figure out how this has any fucking relevance at all. Hey let's ask a series of questions to make it look like we're participating!
On September 23 2013 18:18 Koshi wrote: Yeah, shoot rayn.
OO Risen Coag rayn Firmtofu
Those are good vigi targets.
Its staggeringly easy to know when I'm scum. All you have to do is look at a couple previous games. I mean if you don't actually care whether or not I'm scum, by all means put me on your little list. But maybe, hey for giggles, look at two scum games and two town games of mine (they're in my profile) before you go telling people to shoot me.
On September 24 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: FT/Cephiro the lynch targets here. I'll vote Cephiro. Don't trust the #stagedhype surrounding FT lynch.
Luuuuuuuucyyyyyyyy, you got some 'splainin to do.
Actually, I just looked at Cephiro. Feels like Chairman Ray of day 2. Actually it's worse. He promised nothing but the basest of activity for the first week of the game due to IRL circumstances. How do I decide if he's scum or town based on what he has put there? Well, I guess I'll look at the content, can't take more than two seconds right?
LM vote: Rushed. We were all on the same page regarding the unknown deadline I would assume? Did anyone hint they knew the deadline was earlier than the vote count projected? So the reasons were shitty, but fitting with his disconnect with the game based on activity.
I do hate this for what it is, but I'm thinking about the way he would phrase it. Like, if he's mafia and making excuses, he already has his excuse (busy week) no need to complicate things by fabricating new excuses, that's not the kind of spontaneity I associate with scum:
On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum.
His reads on 5 people? Okay little more time spent, but swinging me the other way. His kush read: doesn't like behavior Coag read: doesn't like behavior Sentinel read: finally something he could call someone scummy for, bad reasoning and useless posts Vayne read: behavior again JAT read: I already gave a basic meta for him which is essentially repeated
So from this list his best scum suspect is Sentinel.
On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum.
Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
I wanted to give you something to by in the case I am vig shotted. Agreed that it may be not much, but someone may be able to make something out of it. Yes, it is true I haven't been helping you out this game because I've been busy. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to properly read more than 50 pages and analyzing all the communication in it?
On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.
Why do you ask, my dear?
Is it simply because I wasn't able to post properly during this first cycle that you don't expect anything from me at all?
On September 24 2013 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: if he IS town, then he's shown that he essentially doesn't give much of a shit despite his recent post and I am not willing to give him that chance, hence wanting him to be shot tonight.
This is what I find downright insulting, and I'm not sure if I'm more sad or furious right now. Do you expect everyone to live some fucking 24/7 holiday life where they can always have their mafia games at #1 priority? If I didn't give a shit, why would I be posting and reading through the countless pages I still have to waddle through at fucking 4:30 AM?
At least I wasn't voting to kill our parity cop regardless of my activity. -_- In any case, I firmly vouch for vigs not shooting me tonight.
Why?
Because I am an incredibly good townie when I have time to post. I interact a lot, I pressure my scumreads hard, and everyone can certainly get a good read on me. In pretty much every game where I have rolled town I have been able to establish my town-ness to others properly, in a way or another. (Well, admittingly I do that fairly well when I roll scum too.)
If you decide to shoot me tonight, you won't just lose a potentially great townie, but you won't be gaining any information. Me flipping town doesn't really give anything to go by, as I haven't been able to interact with others yet. Shoot someone that you think is scum, someone that will give us a lot of information from the flip even if they end up flipping town. If you genuinely think I am the best shot for tonight, then do it. I trust in our vigs to understand that is not the case.
And back to catching up.
"I'm looking like shit but you should let me live". He pointed out a bunch of people in a similar situation to him... and he is special because he's going to be readable? Well, you have 40 hours or so to make that a reality!
TLDR: not averse to lynching without massive turnaround
On September 24 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: FT/Cephiro the lynch targets here. I'll vote Cephiro. Don't trust the #stagedhype surrounding FT lynch.
Luuuuuuuucyyyyyyyy, you got some 'splainin to do.
Actually, I just looked at Cephiro. Feels like Chairman Ray of day 2. Actually it's worse. He promised nothing but the basest of activity for the first week of the game due to IRL circumstances. How do I decide if he's scum or town based on what he has put there? Well, I guess I'll look at the content, can't take more than two seconds right?
LM vote: Rushed. We were all on the same page regarding the unknown deadline I would assume? Did anyone hint they knew the deadline was earlier than the vote count projected? So the reasons were shitty, but fitting with his disconnect with the game based on activity.
I do hate this for what it is, but I'm thinking about the way he would phrase it. Like, if he's mafia and making excuses, he already has his excuse (busy week) no need to complicate things by fabricating new excuses, that's not the kind of spontaneity I associate with scum:
On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum.
His reads on 5 people? Okay little more time spent, but swinging me the other way. His kush read: doesn't like behavior Coag read: doesn't like behavior Sentinel read: finally something he could call someone scummy for, bad reasoning and useless posts Vayne read: behavior again JAT read: I already gave a basic meta for him which is essentially repeated
So from this list his best scum suspect is Sentinel.
My last idea here:
On September 24 2013 10:36 Cephiro wrote:
On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum.
Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
I wanted to give you something to by in the case I am vig shotted. Agreed that it may be not much, but someone may be able to make something out of it. Yes, it is true I haven't been helping you out this game because I've been busy. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to properly read more than 50 pages and analyzing all the communication in it?
On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.
Why do you ask, my dear?
Is it simply because I wasn't able to post properly during this first cycle that you don't expect anything from me at all?
On September 24 2013 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: if he IS town, then he's shown that he essentially doesn't give much of a shit despite his recent post and I am not willing to give him that chance, hence wanting him to be shot tonight.
This is what I find downright insulting, and I'm not sure if I'm more sad or furious right now. Do you expect everyone to live some fucking 24/7 holiday life where they can always have their mafia games at #1 priority? If I didn't give a shit, why would I be posting and reading through the countless pages I still have to waddle through at fucking 4:30 AM?
At least I wasn't voting to kill our parity cop regardless of my activity. -_- In any case, I firmly vouch for vigs not shooting me tonight.
Why?
Because I am an incredibly good townie when I have time to post. I interact a lot, I pressure my scumreads hard, and everyone can certainly get a good read on me. In pretty much every game where I have rolled town I have been able to establish my town-ness to others properly, in a way or another. (Well, admittingly I do that fairly well when I roll scum too.)
If you decide to shoot me tonight, you won't just lose a potentially great townie, but you won't be gaining any information. Me flipping town doesn't really give anything to go by, as I haven't been able to interact with others yet. Shoot someone that you think is scum, someone that will give us a lot of information from the flip even if they end up flipping town. If you genuinely think I am the best shot for tonight, then do it. I trust in our vigs to understand that is not the case.
And back to catching up.
"I'm looking like shit but you should let me live". He pointed out a bunch of people in a similar situation to him... and he is special because he's going to be readable? Well, you have 40 hours or so to make that a reality!
TLDR: not averse to lynching without massive turnaround
This whole thing and you don't even say whether or not you think he's scum. "Not adverse to lynching" could be said about any number of feelings, including "I hate this player", "I would policy-lynch this player", "I'm paying no attention to this player" etc.
I'm most interested in who you'd like to lynch because you think they're scum OO.
If I want to lynch someone... and town wants to lynch scum... connect the dots.
On September 24 2013 15:22 ObviousOne wrote: He's scum for excusing his shit play instead of playing. OKVE?!
Am I scum? Because I've been excusing my shit play AND martyring OO. What about BH was he scum? He spent all of N1 excusing his play, but shit he flipped town.
So no, not okay. Also like I said before, I found his freaking out at geript or yamato or whoever the fuck to be genuine...do you think scum typically make posts like that?
What about FT OO? I'm voting for FT, and have commented on reasons why. Any particular reason you don't like an FT lynch? He was the counter-wagon to the D1 lynch and everything!
I just wanna lynch, bro. What if it was a halfhearted bus? What if it's cephiro and ft and LM?
As for you I can't say. It took me a VCA to catch you last time. My gut instinct is town and that's always been wrong. Should I call you mafia based on gut? (inverse gut, actually)
On September 24 2013 15:35 VisceraEyes wrote: No if you call me mafia at all, call me mafia for a reason.
Ugh...whatever vote for who you want to vote for. I'll tell you who the best person to vote for is tomorrow though if it's not FT. Right now I think it's FT.
I wish you had said yes that would have been so cool.
On September 22 2013 17:52 Mocsta wrote: That doesnt make him scummy FT.
I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.
So you are posting useless shit casting me in a scummy light and then are very clearly NOT calling me scum. What the fuck is it with bad players attacking me this game.
You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you.
If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner.
I don't recognize this bold part's voice, time to cross-ref some older games.
Only major thing I see from speeding through is that he likes to repeat that he is not scum when he is scum. And I do recall he has said that here. Is it a mafia tell for Tofu? Fuck knows.
FT dissuaded me from looking into his past games with his intentional meta shifting argument, so I will judge him on his laurels for this game alone. Gonna read his filter one more time. I spent half an hour trying to get his voice in my head from two of those games and I ended up not much better off in terms of "hearing" the differences.
Also spent some quality time in WoS filter for ideas. IMO his death was the most meaningful. That'll be later I guess.
On September 25 2013 00:11 Stutters695 wrote: I'm awake. Going to do some serious analysis today since I've gone from bedridden to just a moderate fever. I'll be fielding questions if anyone has any while I work
Yeah. Why did you go to bed at the end of Day 1 with a total peace-out type vote and post, 3 hours after your previous post in the thread, addressing absolutely nothing that occurred?
I had already addressed who I wanted to see lynched, had to go to bed and since kush wasn't an option so I voted who was the next best option in my opinion.
You just, ya know, didn't give a fuck at all to comment on either of the hot candidates at the time?
Didn't really see the need of getting involved with finding a decent lynch, no?
This resonates strongly with me re: both candidates were town. Fuck it. Not waiting for FT to answer. Go into his filter and read everything on the first two pages without the cloud of your current decision about his alignment and tell me that's not a town filter. I am more concerned about how his wagon formed so effectively.
On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.
If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.
Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision.
On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.
If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.
Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision.
Problem?
I think the idea is that if someone is a main candidate for lynch and you have a townread on them, it's probably a good idea to mention it.
I just established that I just established a town read on him. Like today.
Mafia love to vote martyrs. Carnival, I think I had 5 mafia on me D1 when I martyred (and still survived to get endgamed /angryfist/) because it's the easiest vote in the game.
1. I hate that CC is on here. Did he fuck off or something? Too lazy to check right now. 2. Umasi appears here and ends on Sentinel. Too lazy to look at his vote reason right now. Probably some newb-on-newb hardcore pornmafia. 3. Stutters and Cephiro. (I'll just leave this here, click me!)
Tired of the riddles. If it means nothing that you say it, but nobody knows what "it" is, then you're fucked. And if you're town, you're fucking me. And I don't take kindly to being fucked.
On September 25 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: Cheesecake is the epitome of useless this game and that makes him likely town.
Saved you the trouble.
Not so much useless as not posting at all. There's a difference, if you want to get into that sort of thing. Regardless, I am indeed town and would thoroughly enjoy lynching scum today. Have a handful of townreads that I'm fairly confident on. I'm OK with lynching Sent / LM / Pandain / Zaragon.... mayyyyyybe FT.
Sweet jumping Jesus you scared me.
BRB getting my heart out of my throat.
Okay so he could still be scum just being lazy since he worked real hard to win us our last game together. <3
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote: Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.
Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.
You're welcome.
this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.
You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote: Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.
Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.
You're welcome.
this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.
You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.
Did kush make a random case on some random dude in Smurf and then peace out?
I don't remember him doing that. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
He basically has no idea what is going on whatsoever in this game (deadline, kp, all the basic shit in the OP) -- same. Short and sweet heuristic reads (a la Coag) betraying his lazy nature -- same Jokes and general fucking around -- he expressed he wanted to really strongly, and some did leak in that game The only thing that's really different on a basic level is his neurotic obsession with "meta-ing" people. -- he said he was trying something new, BOD
"A random case on a random dude and poof" is too specific to the circumstances of one game and you know that.
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote: Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.
Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.
You're welcome.
this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.
You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.
Did kush make a random case on some random dude in Smurf and then peace out?
I don't remember him doing that. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
He basically has no idea what is going on whatsoever in this game (deadline, kp, all the basic shit in the OP) -- same. Short and sweet heuristic reads (a la Coag) betraying his lazy nature -- same Jokes and general fucking around -- he expressed he wanted to really strongly, and some did leak in that game The only thing that's really different on a basic level is his neurotic obsession with "meta-ing" people. -- he said he was trying something new, BOD
"A random case on a random dude and poof" is too specific to the circumstances of one game and you know that.
No, it's actually tremendously important.
If he has no idea what's going on and he's kinda playing as you describe, it seems incredibly unlikely he'll just alight on some random dude and make a case on him and vote for him.
The two don't go together.
He's a dog chasing cars, Marv. Maybe he's the Joker and he's playing me, but his chaotic is chaotic lawful IMHO. So I suppose we'll disagree but now you have the whole thing as I see it.
On September 26 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Pandain is a decent lynch. His case on me D1 was very wrong and misconstrued many posts to paint me as suspicious. He has a case on Sentinel D1, and D2 he puts more suspicion on Sentinel then says he is hesitant to lynch him in the same post... He wants to kill Stutters too but I haven't see much of that. Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town".
Ceph is just a lurker lynch, which is cool.
I'll vote Pandain for great justice!
##Vote: Pandain
This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset.
If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post.
People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote.
My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options.
I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad.
I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t
I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town. I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter.
If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions.
There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning.
For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town.
Still reading
But
Where did I vote coag? If I did I am an idiot. If you're lying your read is fake. Wow.
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda is probably a bad lynch.
Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.
It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T
And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck
On September 26 2013 04:18 LoneMeow wrote: Between Cephiro and FirmTofu I'd prefer to lynch FirmTofu. I'll try to be back before deadline but as I'm not even sure anymore when it is, no guarantees.
On September 26 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: As far as I know, the lynch was never limited to Cephiro and FT. Sentinel is still an option, I'm now on the table for some, but for some reason LM chose FT between FT and Cephiro.
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda is probably a bad lynch.
Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.
It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T
And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck
Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?
I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda is probably a bad lynch.
Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.
It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T
And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck
Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?
I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol
You were shittastic, that is besides the point. My point is that most of the team lurked and was useless in the grand scheme of things. Felkyr, you, randombum, coag... austin day 1-2 and 'till the end of 3, 'slam who was obv mafia but nobody lynched him because he was an easy target. Only clarity was a town influence, and myself to a certain extent. Austin in the latter part.
Oh shit that's right there were 7 of us in that game. I channeled my rage at you. Sorry. You want some coffee and a German cookie?
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda is probably a bad lynch.
Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.
It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T
And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck
Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?
I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol
You were shittastic, that is besides the point. My point is that most of the team lurked and was useless in the grand scheme of things. Felkyr, you, randombum, coag... austin day 1-2 and 'till the end of 3, 'slam who was obv mafia but nobody lynched him because he was an easy target. Only clarity was a town influence, and myself to a certain extent. Austin in the latter part.
Oh shit that's right there were 7 of us in that game. I channeled my rage at you. Sorry. You want some coffee and a German cookie?
8.German cookie sounds good. I'm mad at Pandain for shittastic cases on both of us too, but does that make him scum necessarily?
Lol 8 fuck i need this coffee brewing.
Can't remember which of Pandain or cephiro did what tbh. Actually cephiro was in aperture so I should see how his play meshes up with that. Could be a good lead! Thx!
Holy shit massive difference in thread presence for Ceph between this game and last, and it's not just filter length.
His scum reads are literally the easiest things in the world for either alignment. Not seeing an attempt to prove he's town.
I see questions but not a lot of accusations.
Also this promise was never fulfilled, so his easy reads are his only reads:
On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today:
kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag.
justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff.
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.
Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted.
On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book.
Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town.
That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline.
Was going to mention his use of color but his filter in this game isn't engaged enough for him to really have discussed his scum reads at length and to beg us to lynch / kill them. The engagement is the biggest thing for me. It's harder to post when mafia and I know that's a tell very specific to me but I can't be the only one with it.
Fuck. Is there a round-up of suspicions on Cephiro outside of what has been recently discussed?
Does he ever say anyone is TOWN in this game? I don't see that, either.
On May 29 2013 19:46 Baker1986 wrote: "ECCLESTONCEPHIRO MAKE TROUBLE, YOU ALL BAD, OO BAD, WHY BAD?"
Did I ever say if I think geript is town or scum? IDR. I probably said town if anything, but you just went null. That was scummy . Thanks for helping mafia by throwing away your vote in a plurality.
Like I'm getting fucking flashbacks to LXI where geript basically did nothing the entire game riding his "conf town" thing that was invented by town. There's no "conf town" associated with pretending to be a vig and if anyone says so they are fucking mafia and we should lynch them.
On September 26 2013 07:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The thing is I'm so not confident as town.
And if I want to lynch somebody for doing distinctly non-town things people are going to shout: "Town can do that too! He's just bad town! That's so obviously not-town oriented that scum would never do such a thing!"
The problem is that they are probably right, and we end up with a mislynch. If I can't trust that characteristics associated with being mafia or being not-town are true, how on Earth can I push a correct lynch?
LM is playing not-town. So therefore he should be mafia, am I missing something here?
And Koshi, please fuck off kindly.
I'm going to tell you a quick story.
It's an analogy for where I think TL towns should be headed but it takes testicular fortitude and nobody has time for that.
I'm in a 25-man raid, and one of the components of the fight is that a subset of the group goes off on its own to ensure that everyone survives. That sub-group requires someone to keep them alive. Now, in this specific raid, nobody wanted to do it. I begged, I AFK'd, nobody volunteered. So here's what I said: "I'm going to start kicking healers until someone volunteers to heal the subgroup". Guess what? Someone fucking volunteered right quick.
Apply it to this game: I'm ready to start lynching people who very clearly are not interested in participating or even looking town. If you're not participating, you're scum. You're scum and you can fuck off and never sign up for another game until you get your shit together. Stay the fuck out of my games with this nonsense. I can't make the hosts remove you but I am empowered to do the removing myself.
VOTE LONEMEOW ENGLAND PREVAILS The concept that mafia will be the only ones looking town is fucking stupid and I reject it with all my being. If town don't want to act/look town because "they have no reason to" then I have no reason to keep them around, do I? No.
So, all in all, rage mode is activated. I want to kill LM because he has - made no effort to look town - made no effort to actually play the game - is as about as involved in the dialogue as a gerbil
So we're fucking killing him today, because if you want garbage-free games now and in the future, you need to set the precedent.
On September 26 2013 07:54 Koshi wrote: @ObviousOne Yeah, this is never going to happen. The part that TL will start playing better because we plynch.
If you want TL mafia become better.
You play a shitton more invitational games. The real cool games are 100% invitational. Like the next one from Sentinel.
Me playing games to get better doesn't make any of the other 29 players play properly. Unless you mean for my sanity I should try to get into invitational games. For my sanity, I generally avoid large games. I signed up for this to try it again and, well, yeah. Less than pleased but not much I can do about it except yell and vote.
On September 26 2013 07:19 ObviousOne wrote: Holy shit massive difference in thread presence for Ceph between this game and last, and it's not just filter length.
His scum reads are literally the easiest things in the world for either alignment. Not seeing an attempt to prove he's town.
I see questions but not a lot of accusations.
Was going to mention his use of color but his filter in this game isn't engaged enough for him to really have discussed his scum reads at length and to beg us to lynch / kill them. The engagement is the biggest thing for me. It's harder to post when mafia and I know that's a tell very specific to me but I can't be the only one with it.
Fuck. Is there a round-up of suspicions on Cephiro outside of what has been recently discussed?
Does he ever say anyone is TOWN in this game? I don't see that, either.
On May 29 2013 19:46 Baker1986 wrote: "ECCLESTONCEPHIRO MAKE TROUBLE, YOU ALL BAD, OO BAD, WHY BAD?"
If you'd read the cases properly, you'd see there are actually way more accusations rather than questions. So why is providing the two cases I have completed bad, just because they are "easy" targets? I think it's better to post the reads you are more certain on rather than try to sell everyone on a case you're unsure of yourself.
My filter isn't "engaged" enough because of the lack of time. Missing out on pretty much all of D1, N1, and the first half of D2 doesn't leave much time to engage. And still I'm here using that time as effectively as I can. I haven't been able to ensure other townies of my townyness in the few posts I've made. Usually with more posts that is also something much easier done, since it gives others content to make reads from.
I have several townreads, but in the time I have available, I consider it much more efficient to spend it on telling you about my scumreads and trying to prove others that I am town, rather than trying to tell everyone "Hey, I think player X is town because..". Sure, that also helps to some extent, but it's not as efficient. If you want though, I have no problem in sharing my townreads. Someone did a list post where they pegged everyone as something. As a new player I thought that would be a great way to share your reads on everyone, but with more experience I have learned the contrary, which is why I don't do such.
@JAT: At the moment it seems to me the only other realistic candidate is LoneMeow. Of course things could still happen, but I won't delve into the world of those possibilities right now. From my perspective, anyone is a better lynch than I am, since to me I'm confirmed town. (Obviously.) Lone isn't the best lynch available in my opinion, but it's a lynch I can get on. Many players have already pointed out flaws in his play. In my opinion, there are also some redeeming qualities. Trying to look at it from a newbie perspective, it is possible that he's simply trying to provide his reads for the other players but doesn't know how to back them up. (I have not read his newbie games so I don't know what caliber of a player he has been in those.) But it's also a very convinient free out-of-lynch card for claiming newbie, thus being able to vote and blame several players without committing, easily flip-flopping from a target to another. I'd much rather see kush lynched, but I can get on a LM lynch as well.
I want to read this, I really do, but every time I try my eyes glaze over and I tab back to my video game. I'll try to make sense of it after a stogie.
On September 26 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhhhhhhhhh.....uuhhhhhhhhh......
That's.......not townlike from marv.
23 pages of filter I hope he's town.
this is the worst post ever, not in terms of alignment
I HOPE HE'S TOWN TOO JESUS CHRIST MATT DO YOU HOPE HE'S SCUM?
I hope everyone is town and we win just win right now?
I don't hope he's anything, I just try to figure out what he is
It implies a town read and "I HOPE IM RIGHT"
You disagree, show us.
where the fuck have you been
Sleeping. It's part of the non-game-related spoiler I posted earlier. You're not showing us he's mafia. You're complaining about town reads on him. Where's your campaign on marv? Why are you voting LM if you think marv is scum?
On September 26 2013 08:31 Pandain wrote: VE is still best lynch but between ceph and lm, lm is best.
Besides ceph contributing more, my main suspicion of LM was him voting himself as there's no town reason to. Same applies to VE Day one but his was even more suspicious
VE martyring is not alignment indicative and that's my final answer because I've been in his head. I've shadowed him. I've been scum with him. He fucking loves to play scum. If he's in the dumps about his play it's because he's town and performing poorly due to time or whatever. COULD he do it as scum? Sure. So I am not letting it have any bearing on my read of him. It's null.
It's his notes, and it's a screenshot, and he can't edit the image. So if it's not allowed, that's fucked. GMARSHAL DIDNT MODKILL CHEZINU FOR POSTING A GOOGLE SPREADSHEET IN NORMAL MINI III so IDK for sure but if it is that'd be hilarious.
I'm saying. I think the only way town would fail to address the case is if they gave up. If that was the case, we would have a completely different post from Matt or any town for that matter.
Scum do things for many reasons. Sometimes we can't understand it until post game .
All I'm saying is. If Matt chew could break down the case without resorting to discrediting. He would...
But thanks for responding anyways. U do understand where u r coming from. I am just of a different opinion on how to interpret
To be clear, I don't really mind the Mattchew lynch because he's pretty useless. I just don't think he's going to flip scum based on what he's been saying. We also really, really need to lynch scum today because it reduces scum KP by 1. I think there are quite a few people that are scummier than Mattchew that would be better lynches with a higher chance of flipping scum.
If FT is mafia, so is cephiro, or this is just an honest mistake. I can't tell which.
I'm saying. I think the only way town would fail to address the case is if they gave up. If that was the case, we would have a completely different post from Matt or any town for that matter.
Scum do things for many reasons. Sometimes we can't understand it until post game .
All I'm saying is. If Matt chew could break down the case without resorting to discrediting. He would...
But thanks for responding anyways. U do understand where u r coming from. I am just of a different opinion on how to interpret
To be clear, I don't really mind the Mattchew lynch because he's pretty useless. I just don't think he's going to flip scum based on what he's been saying. We also really, really need to lynch scum today because it reduces scum KP by 1. I think there are quite a few people that are scummier than Mattchew that would be better lynches with a higher chance of flipping scum.
If FT is mafia, so is cephiro, or this is just an honest mistake. I can't tell which.
Explain this
Actually I think I'm just retarded right now. But the idea is how the fuck is KP going to be 2 with 5 mafia alive if we had lynched mafia?
Okay. This is for for me, filter links to vote filters in vote thread, so ignore at your leisure. Constant copy/paste out of a spreadsheet is for chucklefucks.
On September 26 2013 16:09 Mattchew wrote: Whats sad is that i dont think lm actually didnt play THAT bad a game if he really believed be wouldnt be lynched
You voted LM both days and never voted anyone else ever in the history of day one and two HRMMMMMMMMM GET VOTE ANALYZED BISH
First post: Focused on Kush, and others perceptions of Kush. If forced to decide, I will lean town. I think a scum that wants a "weak" player will go on the offensive directly to that player. Stutters decision suggests that he has read the thread, come to the opinion that Kush is scum; and noticed a comment suggesting kush may be town so is querying it. I suppose this is what a suspicious town *should* do; but, its still pretty selfish as an opening post. Why is he avoiding all the other conversation that occured? Overal, leaning town (just)
I really dont his campaign post here; but i dont mind his follow up to DP pressure here. Its pretty confident, and the reasoning is a valid interpretation for early day1 information. Ultimately, scum *could* generate that reasoning; but, I think the way stutters went about it is indicative of recent tl town style.
A few null posts. As either alignment, he needs to follow up; and justify the case with Kush etc.. I would say he reads genuine in conviction though. Guess with Kush, you can fake it. Yeha, stay as null.
Post: This is an interesting reply. As in, as town, I *think* I would respond the same. All I can think is that, as scum, I would try and belittle him for admitting the case is good. So conversely I assume as town I wouldn't do it. As an aside, in my experience, when someone admits the case looks good - its been from town -> kush is town
Post Keeps pushing for Kush. I mena its a good thing he keeps campaigning. But he dosent offer a thought on anything else int he thread. Even when talking about vigs, its to divert back to Kush. I think thats pretty scummy, even if the cause is good in intention.
Post hmm. I'm not sure how much i like the pressure on kush (his only scum read). I mean, hes campaigning for him.. but when pressuring it feels jovial and distanced. I guess you can argue that you dont have to convince your scumread they are scum, but still. I just get an odd feeling that its not serious. Considering stutters695 writes short paragrpahs in general, i dont see how phone posting should be stopping him interacting either. Anyways...
Chairman I just dont get this. Has been "reading filters" for a timestamp difference of two hours, and his first contribution to the thread is to call out a another weak player. I mean, its not that town cant target two weak players; its that he promised to filter read, and is instead commenting on live person (that is flipped town) and hasn't had any bearing on the thread (yet).. Theres nothing on DP/Geript or VE or FT etc.. i dont like this. Chairman also made a post stating it was odd stutters called him out like this - specifically the focus of the question. Its wrong My thoughts on reading was "how does chair plan to TRAP scum"... stutters post is "how does chair plan to MAKE LIFE HARD hard for scum". It might sound like a small thing, but it indicates stutters is not looking to identify scum.
considering he has failed to comment on live matters, and this is his second weak player target Im going to give him a scum read so far. I just cant understand the motivation for this query to chairman as town.
Post Says he has caught up; but only comments on chairman. I dont like his wording of "failed to demonstrate why it must come from a scum mindset".. but i wont hold it against him. I just dont like it, cos its a long sentence for a guy that types very little. Feels overcompensated. Will leave as null cos prob nitpicking.
Kush case The entire case is based on not caring about the lynch. Its funny, he debunks kush scum read on stutters (decided to target him pre-game) by stating, he has zero justification.. kinda a weird way to respond, but whatever.. as town: I used to make cases on Kush, but my case style is much different to stutters,so im finding it hard to detect if this is a scum or town case. I think overall, the case is pretty shit and lack lustre. Especially to justify Kush being his sole focus of Day1. I mean, stutters hasnt even commented on anything else other than a semantic from Chairman.. and this is his case? I dont think time is a valid excuse here, but I want to lynch for scum motivation, not poor play. Will treat this as null.
reads Finally, some reads. Lone is another lurker... this guy is got a habit of choosing ppl who dont fight back. What i dont like here is, he commetns on bad play from lone, but doesnt go so far to call him scum... so why make a post around reads if you not going toa conclusion? Then calls chairman scum without any justification? wat the? Unfortunately, i can see town doing this post, so null.... ggrrr
association FINALLY, Stutters converses on something live in the thread other than kush/lurkers... guess who.. its koshi having a dig at FT.... this is very interesting. If stutters is scum (which is my lean) then FT could be an easy association.
marv pressure ncie question from marv, weird at the time. But now that im suspicious, its useful. So stutters likes to bus i suppose? Admits his cases are terrible? Knows thread sentiment -> he wont get lynched for stupid shit
Doesnt help me. Accept, if kush is scum.. i need to check how much of a shit kush gave to be pressured by stutters. Did he just brush it off or fight back?
post Interesting question from marv again. based on the whole martyr thing, shouldnt stutters opinino have changed of at least one of lone/chair... stutters response is acceptable if he is known for tunneling. I suspect he is not (he didtn even mention tunneling in his self-description prior); so i think this is bad points for stutters.
post Like i dont get this... he set himself up to vote LM, so thats OK. But the thing with kush, i mean; he wrote a case and was campaigning it.. like, i just would expect him to adapt the case if it wasnt getting traction? Its like he moved onto the next best easy wagon choice.. Im really not a fan of this action. I completely admit town can drop their cases if there is no traction, but he doesnt even state kush is still his top read. The only reason he dropped the vote is because town didnt think it was a good idea.. Yeah, dont like.
Martyrs by asking for a vig. Kinda weird, cos it acknowledges he is fully aware of his thread position. I actually dunno if town would say this, but feel like if i judge it, im judging poor play vs scummy play. Null
post aa hhhhahhh... this ties in excatly with what iw as saying before. He left kush alone because the thread didnt want a piece of it; admits it. Hes just looking at options. SCUM RIGHT HERE ! (thnx marv)
post STILL avoiding key issues int he thread, and regurgitating the same crap about kush and lonemeow. The reads barely updated as well; and doesnt pressure the reads. He basically throwing out shit on ppls names, and hopes other ppl get the traction on them.. I prob have a read a town game on him; but this is a pretty scummy way to play in general.
Last post sucks too. I wonder now whether Stutters will re-target to Kush?
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset.
(1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu.
In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town.
(2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play
(3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town).
(4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt.
SCUM RIGHT HERE.
My pre-VCA thoughts agree. I just wrote
Stutters - lynch this as well.
Only ever voted for LoneMeow. I'll get to his filter eventually in my notepad.
On September 26 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote: is the stream of consciousness approach working? or too painful to read?
im making really bad calls this game, which is why im trying to be as transparent as possible.
Essentially I recognise I have been cockblocking ppl too prematurely in some cases. Interesting enough, marv has a presence in both these filters (zaragon/stutters) but in a really good way. DW marv, I will get to your filter eventually; dunno, if the word limit will run out though
Wont be around for the next 6 hrs I guess, but next cab off the rank is Mr.CC. His filter is small, so I might be able to squeeze it out before I head out. Will see.
More from you is helping me gauge my read on you, actually. If our thoughts continue to match up I can feel more confident in my leaning-town on you, so do your thing. I am not giving myself much credit in my read of you as it was for D2.
Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll
On September 26 2013 16:09 Mattchew wrote: Whats sad is that i dont think lm actually didnt play THAT bad a game if he really believed be wouldnt be lynched
You voted LM both days and never voted anyone else ever in the history of day one and two HRMMMMMMMMM GET VOTE ANALYZED BISH
Oops Day1 was yamato (was looking at stutters in my sheet). Not much better.
@Firm where you at on sentinel? I'm in your filter and there's a case in here with his name at the top (haven't read it yet, wanted to get this in here in case you're still reading) but an update would be good.
Think about everyone who has given me town read. Cause I'm in the CC filter for my review and it's a pretty big deal to him. I'm somehow his town-anchor for Day 1. In a weird way. In a his VCA is a pile of feces kind of way.
Darthpunk / SNB slot - town Notes: dp thinks geript is scum for early garbage. rayn disagrees with dp's assessment that geripts argument changed. dp says wos won't die night 1 this game. what assumptions about the gamestate does he make? town reads for the percieved strong players? does the fact that no strong players were shot successfully mean that the scum team is hiding among them or did the mafia team just want to ensure shots went through? this slot definitely town based on dp alone. Rayn - Nostradamus, also town:
On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne.
notes: koshi read is unsure, reflects more on koshi? need to compare with reverse read interesting defense of VA, feels good http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19808565 - super townie feels here Strange miscommunication with Koshi RE: Vayne vote, didn't understand it was pressure? I feel like I should be on the scum side of the spectrum from feels. Yamato - town notes: saved by lynched medic, god help us if there isn't another one Kush - I have him as town, info's already in my filter for that. You can disagree if you want. notes: not calling enough people scum to be scum. vote history is useless have to go by filter alone i guess? LOL:
On September 22 2013 02:05 kushm4sta wrote: are you serious right now stutters.... is this a plynch? a plynch from someone who gets modkilled every game for inactivity?
On September 25 2013 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i stopped reading after the underline lol
can't lynch this guy, too funny. Koshi - whole thought process seems to be in the thread, probably town. notes: soooooo many oneliners soooooo many votes
On September 22 2013 03:23 Koshi wrote: Yamato totes town. Docs should note down his name on a piece of paper and glue it above their bed.
trending towards scum read on rayn by the end of d1
On September 23 2013 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Cephiro votes Lonemeow wtf
Why are there so many people on him as throwaways?
I think that in itself might give some discussion to LM's alignment.
Please tell me why exactly you wrote this sentence.
Anyone? Anyone see how this might be bad news for Koshi? Maybe? I think it's the worst thing in his filter so if it's nothing then he's probably town. The rayn<->koshi dynamic is fucking weird. That's a super long bus if they're both scum, rayn shouted much of d1 away at koshi. Weak attempt at diverting the LM lynch, ends day with vote on Cephiro. FirmTofu - a re-read of his filter yesterday made me think town. Response to my idea to meta seemed townie, marv confirmed to be genuine. Probably town. Linked to Cephiro if Cephiro is scum, take a look for something like that. Notes: Sentinel case is pretty good Response to concept of reading his meta pretty good. Going to say town more than scum. Pandain - weird suspicions to start, on CC and OO. Quasi-defense of geript. Attack on sentinel. interesting thoughts on Stutters.
On September 26 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb.
Town Notes: Just fucking 100% town Cephiro - scum. He's the lynch tomorrow. Do it. If he's not shot he needs to be lynched. Notes: none required Mr. Cheesecake - seems intent on keeping me on my toes for his alignment. It's weird. Null then, bbcakes. Notes: Deserves special special attention. Vote analysis tells me he's tied for worst player in the thread. Intentional or not? Pandain vote is pretty much OMGUS, 180s based on Sentinel pressure from Pandain. If he's mafia then his bussing is starting late (think Decon) and his team is probably partly inactive. After LM lynch:
On September 26 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm done.
Can't stop thinking this in my head as "my work here is done /flex" Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum
On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed.
Coag - town duh Notes: Had a gun Stutters - lynch this as well. Notes:
On September 26 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys I've lost all desire to play with this cold. I'm getting over it now so I'll be reading up tomorrow and getting back into it. Lone meow hasn't changed anything from when I said he should be lynched so he's still my vote.
No need to play when the town is capable of pulling itself off course. 2 votes, 2 lonemeows iamperfection - ??? Notes: summary post on entry good, aligns with brain for the most part lol @ LM lynch =[ Nullo. Malongo slot - hopefully dies tonight Notes: error, player not found Sentinel - Lynch this as well.
On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.
Better than yamato I guess.
##Vote: Chairman Ray
Notes: Temporary vote on stutters who i have as mafia, votes for marv's meta prod, unvotes and hits umasi next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19811401 reading this post again makes me want to forget I ever unvoted him. THIRD SCUM READ because other two are boring? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812073 - this is in response to my question but doesn't answer it specifically. "yamato has more to show" wat? pressure the guy who is already talking? Backs down to yamato when yamato threatens the wrath of Yamato Cannon Look for references to Cephiro in his filter, suspicion but never pushed with any conviction. I just wanna lynch it. Also some kind of self-consciousness going on with keeping us up to date with his IRL situation. VE - firmly uncomfortably null. You pick. (Gut was town, must be scum.) Notes: Every vote of his is subjectively or objectively shitty except for geript and cephiro and neither of those is where his vote landed at the end of either day. His VCA looked VERY similar to this (my method is secret and patented btw) in Carnival and was how I finally caught him. 20: VisceraEyes -6 darthpunk yamato visceraeyes firmtofu mattchew lonemeow cephiro lonemeow geript lonemeow Geript - an angry null. Was all in on a town read for Mocsta.
On September 23 2013 20:00 geript wrote: Ok. See you hon keys after the test.
Tofu. I want an explanation of how you gave me a townread but completely missed all my vig claims.
I skipped the majority of your posts because I assumed you were having a shitfest with someone or the other and I wanted to finish catching up as fast as possible. It's a harsh reality, I know.
So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that?
Okay, maybe town. Maybe. Notes: Dislike him voting for Marv and peacing out for D2 lynch. Hiding in plain sight comes to mind. Just abrasive enough to have your attention, just MIA enough to be forgotten. Call me biased, but more scummy than null for me. Risen - I like him for some reason. Filter is short and sweet and he agrees with me on Sent at the time Notes: Also probably not scum, unless he's reveling in the fact that town is doing poorly in the thread which is in bad taste and probably not something scum would do. BOD town Marv - hoping town, big filter, many word. Notes: Ended up tied for "best" in my VCA (with DP/SNB) GREEEEEEEN Zaragon - hrm. Like his point about the chairman ray voters but that could be meaningless if it was town/town wagons. Votes everywhere for D1. I'll see what VCA says about this situation. Tentative town. Notes: See Mocsta Stream of consciousness. Like him for town right now. Mattchew - worked under the pressure, still feel okay about my town read on him. Notes: Yamato vote wtf. not a fan of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19805556 buddy yamato after voting him the day before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19837863 ignoring the pre-game is pretty much modus operandi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19841268 BONUS: making excuses for lack of participation pre-game sucks period, he's got a hard-on for painting marv as scum i think something that could be hit or miss but damn, post-flip justification just makes me squirm about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4095 Downgrading to scummy but not the scummiest. Umasi - something about voting lonemeow in the chaos, was on sentinel before that. hrm. Null leaning scum. Notes: Avoids the Cray train by voting for Sentinel Self-conscious posting?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19810587 MIA N1 for the most part. Landed in the middle of my sorted VCA thing. Not a high priority. Could even be wrong on this one. Nullo for now, then. JAT - likely town Notes: Like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812866 Went all proactive after I took his license. Likey. Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll Notes: Just too fucking crazy. Town or bust. Plus I don't want to read his madness again right now rofl.
On September 26 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: By the way, OO - Pandain is capable of lots of trolly, fun, lighthearted comments as mafia. So meh. he could still well be mafia in my eyes.
On September 26 2013 20:26 marvellosity wrote: 2 points? I don't know what that means! But it's more than everyone else.
Eat that, scum.
:x
negative is bad, it's like football, not golf they are OObjectivepoints
I
Just woke up.
So if your points meant anything of value, wouldn't that mean your top scum read would be VE/CC/geript? Giving it points seems kinda like a waste of time
As the days pass they increase in significance as the voting thread grows. They're more effective on day 5 than day 2 but an 8 point spread is pretty informative. Also, it caught 2/3 mafia at lylo in Carnival (except Kush went AFK with a vote on town so it never got used, lol, Instant majority is fun)
The longer I live the more accurate it's going to get. Think of them as guideposts. Also I think you're scum so why am I even explaining this to you.
He didn't actually do anything to divert the LM lynch. If he was pushing his case more and yelling about it enough to get people to switch that would seem more genuine.
On September 28 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Cephiro
Can't decide of Mocsta is just very bad at reading me, or mafia. Mocsta makes these giant long huge posts... super dedicated. Prolly town, had a town read on him most of this game really.
Considering LM's flip, Stutters looks pretty awful now. D1 he looked townier than he usually does but now I could lynch him.
You have a town read on Mocsta and myself. VE has a scum read on the two of us. What is the long version of your opinion on VE?
On September 28 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Cephiro
Can't decide of Mocsta is just very bad at reading me, or mafia. Mocsta makes these giant long huge posts... super dedicated. Prolly town, had a town read on him most of this game really.
Considering LM's flip, Stutters looks pretty awful now. D1 he looked townier than he usually does but now I could lynch him.
You have a town read on Mocsta and myself. VE has a scum read on the two of us. What is the long version of your opinion on VE?
Weird. More likely scum than some others.
I figured town CC would say "scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum"
On September 28 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: OO have you even read one of my town games?
We already had the analog to this discussion on D1 when you schooled me a bit on your scum meta which was somewhat informative despite having been scum with you. You are aware of it, you could certainly make effort to change your style and habits.
The thought crossed my mind that there is the possibility the entire scum team is trying to do something like not match either their town or scum meta, especially in a game with Marv. Is it a stretch? Possibly. It's a good explanation for why Day 3 is dead as fuck now that Marv was shot, too. Raynstradamus with this flashback to D1:
On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne.
On September 27 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not factoring his activity heavily. Just plain don't like what is there.
the thing is, there's a couple of things that point to him being town
his general wtf-ness about the night 1 kills. seems hard to fake his catch on Matt's line about protecting WoS. That's pretty attentive actually
so meh
The catch was that he pointed out Mattchew called for protection on WoS who was shot that night.
Marv said this made him "attentive" but I'm thinking more along the lines of "sensitive". Huge non-factor, less than a 1 page filter in a game approaching 300 pages.
WTF-factor is that he was confused about night actions. Not reading the thread? Behind? What's going on with this one. I feel hate rising up inside of me. Risen: hold me.
Decon, spill your guts as if you were going to be lynched. It sucks that I have to prod you for this but when your last post is
So by 'people' you mean you and Cheesecake? Neither of you said anything worthy of a response tbh. If you had actually read my post properly you would have had the answers to your questions.
and very little of meaning scattered throughout the rest of your filter, it's time to lay it out for us. The whole story. Your take on the game. A nice set of scum reads.
On September 28 2013 02:58 Risen wrote: OO you don't want me to hold you, the proxy rage will just blow you up and you'll get banned. I'm seriously happy iamp stopped me.
You're here answer my questions. You came back with this:
On September 28 2013 01:46 Risen wrote: Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of. This has to be done because we can't allow scum in the future to think they can fake claim and get away with it. Fake claiming doctor and getting a doctor claim lynch is the bottom of the barrel in terms of play.
It's so unaligned with town regardless of anything that it has to be punished. When making plays like that you're pretty much fulfilling the traitor roll. I'm a huge fan of big plays, I love them, but only when I'm scum. Scum are the only ones who can afford to make big plays because the potential payout is so huge and scum has access to nearly all information. Acting on such limited information means town should not ever make big plays like that.
Why does he have to be lynched? Why are you sad about it? Why do you care more about "punishing play" right now than actually you know winning the game and convincing people that you want to lynch scum and that the person who you're pushing is scum.
WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY AT ALL EXCEPT FOR ME TALKING ABOUT HOW FUCKING SCUMMY RISEN IS????????????
Nobody wants to take you seriously because of your first days in the game.
So we just accept that you're probably town and ignore your posts.
On September 29 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote: awesome, believe in marv and he shall deliver. I think we should lynch mocsta tomorrow
what has marv got to do with lynching me? He was never pushing me as a primary lynch.
This is pretty fucking scummy to do.
Explain NAIO!
believe in marv and he shall deliver referring to cephiro. lynch you 100% because of policy imo. (policy referring to your retarded doctor fakeclaim)
why do you want a policy lynch when we need to reduce mafia kp
Because if mocsta is town, what he did is basically inexcusable, and needs to be punished. If he's mafia, A: we caught mafia and B: the ridiculous behavior is punished.
my question for you, general masses, is IS THERE A COMPELLING REASON TO NOT VOTE FOR MOCSTA?
'there are some reasons he is townie, and he isn't 100% scum...' is an incorrect answer, btw.
On September 29 2013 15:37 Umasi wrote: Alright. I'll spell it out, I guess. There was a two hour and twenty minute gap between kitas last appearance in thread, and OOs mention of him. is that not in the least strange?
Does it help if you know that I just woke up?
You really have nothing better to make a big deal out of? Lol this guy.
On September 29 2013 15:50 Umasi wrote: k, guess I should stop talking about things I think are noteworthy/out of place/scummy, since the result was overwhelmingly 'wow you're an idiot' truly lurking is the best way for me to play. If anyone wants to know why I'm voting for mocsta, or why they should vote mocsta, feel free to ask, If anyone thinks it's a bad idea, you're wrong. aside from that, I'm lurking aside from voting him once the day starts.
On September 29 2013 16:12 Koshi wrote: That first message was directed at OO btw.
I know, I'm not scum, silly! Oh you meant for the casual observer who would take your post out of context and use it against you, yeah in that case it's a good idea to point it out.
Can't lynch Mocsta because I think he's town. Maybe I need to go delve into his meta and voice and such to get a stronger read and potentially 'fix' it if he's mafia, but that's not necessary yet because we're not lynching Mocsta tomorrow. We're lynching VE tomorrow.
On September 29 2013 16:21 Koshi wrote: Look. Mocsta saved scum. Mocsta had a shit start. Mocsta made 3 cases on silly targets.
Town Mocsta is quite awesome and makes 29 cases. It's Koshi guarantee scum. (Thats not marv guarantee level)
A lot of people saved scum that day. A lot of people had a shit start or have gone to shit. Which three specific cases are you referring to?
Town Mocsta is far from awesome. It's the Obvious law of averages. Your experience with him in game is that he's very good? My anecdotal experience is that he destroys towns as town.
On September 29 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote: awesome, believe in marv and he shall deliver. I think we should lynch mocsta tomorrow
what has marv got to do with lynching me? He was never pushing me as a primary lynch.
This is pretty fucking scummy to do.
Explain NAIO!
believe in marv and he shall deliver referring to cephiro. lynch you 100% because of policy imo. (policy referring to your retarded doctor fakeclaim)
why do you want a policy lynch when we need to reduce mafia kp
Because if mocsta is town, what he did is basically inexcusable, and needs to be punished. If he's mafia, A: we caught mafia and B: the ridiculous behavior is punished.
my question for you, general masses, is IS THERE A COMPELLING REASON TO NOT VOTE FOR MOCSTA?
'there are some reasons he is townie, and he isn't 100% scum...' is an incorrect answer, btw.
wat
are one goal is to lynch scum not punish stupidity.
And what could possibly be more scummy than fakeclaiming doctor to kill a claimed doctor?
"Scum wouldn't do something like that because they know they'd get lynched!"
Really? Because it looks like Mocsta isn't getting lynched right now... so viable scum play? Fake claiming doctor was scummy as shit, Mocsta needs to die. BEFORE Mocsta, though, I think the people who tried to start movements away from Cephiro need to be examined. From a town perspective, there was going to be no other lynch. Proposing another lynch had only the potential to confuse people and allow for scum shenans (at that point they still have 6 people and once momentum starts elsewhere some idiot townie is bound to follow). The people that immediately jump to mind are Geript and VE.
Not that anyone will listen to me, but risen has been pandering to the flavor of the day forever. Just shoot him and be done with it already.
I SUDDENLY FEEL THE URGE TO NOT IGNORE GERIPT ANYMORE
SNB didn't vote yesterday? I have no vote data for SNB. How do you forget to fucking vote? Has he even posted? Was there a car crash at a zoo and the animals escaped and they've got him strung up by his nipples and are throwing feces at him, snapping photos with disposable cameras? SNB, I hope you're okay, but things are not OK. Hope you heal from the gorilla pokes soon.
On September 30 2013 21:48 kitaman27 wrote: Breaking Bad kinda ruined any plans of catch up last night, but I'm now up to page 200 so I'll be sure to finish and post thoughts this morning.
On September 30 2013 19:14 Koshi wrote: Ahyeah why I said Kita was confirmed town.
Hosts kinda fucked town over day 1 with the shortened time Town is losing this I cannot believe hosts are now going to give scum a night 3 replacement. + a town replacement in n3 can be shot. ---> Kita is town.
Maybe it's lame but seriously, hosts are not going to swap a scummer n3 in this game.
This is really sketchy reasoning for knowing that I'm town. At first I thought you might be a parity cop or something with your weird instance that I was town, but now that you're trying to explain it with this makes it seem as if you're trying to buddy up with me or something. I will definitely need to tackle your filter.
I don't know you are town, silly. I say it is logical because hosts aren't going to replace a scummer on N3 in this game.
Hosts don't fuck with games by selectively replacing town or scum. If they did they wouldn't be allowed to host for long. Replacing or attempting to is a neutral affair. Your argument is just dumb.
Idk what just happened. The level of tilt in this game is staggering. So uh, yeah. Let's just lynch Risen like geript said and go from there? I made a sweet picture I can post when I go back to the computer.
On October 01 2013 07:35 Pandain wrote: OO who do you think is town and scum.
I'm with you on stutters.
This VE fiasco is so fucked so I guess we find out soon? My gut radar may finally no longer be of any use if he's town.
Rayn is too quiet for my taste this late in the game. Could mean he's town or he's scum and we are mislynching. See above.
Town on CC again after being unsettled yesterday.
Mattchew still on my radar for scum. He's capable of more. I remember him being more useful in fruity although that's subjective memory. He was gone for the first day for family reasons and the game ended on D2 so it's not the greatest example.
Koshi pissing me off with his thinking that he will get Rayn lynched by repeating himself over and over. Not sure how I feel about him but spite voting is tempting.
Where the fuck is FT? Scum in my book.
Risen I'm half joking about today. Haven't looked at him since N2 or so. Reaction fishing got him to bargain with me for lynching and I associate that reaction with scum, though I have done it as town.
I am a badass motherfucker according to my role pm
Oh you meant the one from VE
Then just motherfucker.
Yeah Mattchew died and was town? He was shot? Thxscum. You would think I would know that and remember that if I had some sort of communication system from which to verify who mafia killed.
On October 01 2013 11:36 ObviousOne wrote: Lemme see what he's done d3/4. Will return with read in a bit. Guess I gotta close HL2 =[
Risen does it look like rayn is going out of his way to interact / cast doubt on his teammates if your list is correct?
I don't even know what rayn has done this game, but I don't know. He's perfectly capable of bussing if that's what you're asking.
Looks like this is his most recent scum team:
On September 28 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: cc iamp stutters cephiro pandabearguy VE. A couple of other contenders if i am wrong on someone.
On October 01 2013 10:39 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Wow I didn't even know Rayn had voted for VE, but there's his vote clear as day.
4 people who need to be dead before anyone else
Mocsta, Mr. CC, OO, Rayn
So he's having a shit game or protecting his teammates because there's been no really strong need to bus.
Before that, on D3, he had this list:
On September 27 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is sco fucked up. From these people: VE Mr.CC Mocsta Koshi FT Pandain Stutters Sentinel geript Mattchew
...if you find yourself in that list, shape the fuck up and start playing instead of fucking bullshit.
Lynch Cephiro on D3.
Not a scum list, but a shit list. Bolded the shared reads you have (only one in the scum reads category, Mr CC who I think is town) and colored the flips we have.
Stutters isn't in your scum list, Risen. He's in mine. He's in Rayn's. Does he belong in yours? You're short one.
On October 01 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Lynch Stutters/FT/iamp/Sentinel/Mr.CC
Revised scumlist accounting for the possiblity of a retarded town Mocsta. Pandain could also be scum, but I'm reserving my judgement on him for a time when I'm not seething with hatred for him right now. It should pass by the day post tomorrow, hopefully.
Huh. Anyone want to take bets that this is at least 3/5 right? I take Grokbux.
So many people have CC as scum. I really don't want to lynch him unless I'm absolutely sure he's mafia, and he's not jolly AT ALL recently so I feel he is distressed about game circumstances which lends me to believe he's town. The rest I could potentially do, starting with Stutters. I re-read the case on iamp and he makes a good point, iamp didn't do his townie push-the-better-lynch thing and essentially helped saved Cephiro. Capitalized on Mocsta's fake claim and came out looking less bad than Mocsta, thus being under less pressure.
I think we need to lynch FT today and not stutters, I want my VCA to go the distance tonight.
Also weird about Risen, he doesn't know/remember that someone wanted to lynch him yesterday? Where is your reaction to FT wanting to lynch you yesterday? Not finding it in your filter with control+F.
Wow I just spent an hour with my spreadsheet staring at the data. All I learned is that colors are pretty and that they make me sleepy. Not doing the actual research because I'm going to bed but some angles that arise from what I'm seeing. People who aren't really utilizing their vote powers [aka voting the minimum, not using their "powers"]: - Stutters (3 votes over 3 days) - S&B (3 votes over 3 days but did not vote on day 3) - iamperfection (2 votes over 3 days, day 1 had no vote before replacing in)
If any of the above demonstrate a lot of uncertainty about where their vote is placed, that might be cause for concern. Uncertainty but not moving their vote and shit reasons for staying = dig deeper. People with better-than-good voting records [arguably could be too perfect]: - Risen votes: 1: vaynecephiro | 2: firmtofu | 3: Cephiro - JAT: 1: firmtofu mattchew | 2: cephiro | 3: cephiro Paying a ton of attention or working with inside knowledge. Did they campaign for their lynches of choice or did they simply vote? Was their reasoning sound? "Too perfect" is how I used VCA to catch out geript after I had died in LXI. It's not out of the question. Firm flipping red will make these even more "perfect". Willy-nilly voters [More than half of their votes on confirmed town]: - FirmTofu - Mr. Cheesecake - Mocsta - Pandain Careless of image, or carefully crafting one?
Basically saw the Pandain and Risen have huge egos (still) and it seems to be a widely held belief that calling people bad incessantly gets something accomplished. There's your W-bomb.
Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum
On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed.
On October 02 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote: if kita isnt town this game is already lost and we will have an even longer talk with the hosts than we originally planned.
You've been green since Cephiro was lynched after your stupid-as-fuck-doctor-counter-claim, Mocsta. Because if you're mafia, like Marv I will never play another game with you again. I can't believe anyone would do that as town but I believe you are capable of (and did) it.
Or do you mean why are you green instead of white? Because I colored all the cells with names based on my view of where we're at. Is it right? Fucked if I know. It looks like we're in defeatist mode here from several people who just want to end the game (I'm right there with them but I'm not plaguing the thread with my own misery because it's not fucking helpful). Never mind that the BM is rampant and people keep "putting others in their place" which just makes for an environment that isn't conducive to a fun game (Pandain, Risen, JAT, for instance, fuck you guys for that shit and if you're scum you can enjoy the same never-play-in-games-with-me again as well.) I want out just as bad as everyone else at this point. I just begged to be shot. Luckily for me I'm apparently suspicious enough to run a mislynch on (and someone can explain that to me because that's fucking nebulous. If you think my filter can reach this length when I play as mafia you're high) so I will not be shot. My VCA isn't netting me much data because we're lynching new people every day outside of Cephiro.
So to finally answer your question, you have to be town because I cannot reconcile that level of attention-grabbing stupid behavior on a mafia vs. town lynch (whereas a town versus town lynch or a scum versus scum lynch I might see it differently) and if that IS the case then I hope you go straight to hell, as well.
So I just watched Destiny's stream until 7AM. Some major real shit went down tonight.
This is a friendly reminder that everything up to the Iamperfection lynch is what matters for analysis. Look for D2 and D4 patterns.
I'll try to have a few reflections on what my VCA shows before I pass out. Notable mentions are that coag stays true to his town self with an arguably objectively bad voting record, and that risen voted 10 unique times on D4. I'm not actually looking at it right now, so this is from memory. FT seems to have crumbled under the pressure and bussed today with his vote. The stutters lynch seems to have been the "bone" from the mafia team today as the pressure mounts to not look scummy based on voting patterns. If decon isn't vigged auto-lynch him tomorrow. Find the scum between the orange names in my prior list. I predict Koshi will ride Rayn's dick like he has since the beginning of time. Marv didn't think it was a hard double bus shit-fest so I bow to his wisdom on that and I prefer Koshi for town of the two.
Auto-lynch decon D5
Auto-lynch stutters D6
FT's clinical voice aggravates the shit out of me and the only thing holding me back from saying auto-lynch him next is that I find his style of deflection repulsive but not necessarily indicative of scum. Dig deeper. It's in your hands.
Sentinel voting pattern doesn't make sense for someone who isn't going to participate much in the late game, based on my interpretation of the game state. Either the game he is running is taking up too much of his time or he has IRL things to attend to, it doesn't matter, I suppose. Some of my town reads have a town read on Sentinel so maybe I'd defer to their wisdom. How the NKs play out tonight is going to help a ton, assuming I survive to tomorrow.
Votes of interest from glancing at it: Risen sticking with FT on D2. JAT's vote on Iamperfection (as compared to his other votes, was the method different? it's his only "bad" vote) SNB would be interesting if he had owned the slot since D1. Not sure how to treat that.
Nobody who voted for FT D1 at the end of the day is a stand-out scum read for me. Scum had no true reason to bus on D1 given no flips. Helps affirm my reads on those players.
On October 03 2013 08:04 Mocsta wrote: u mean the post where u call me town for personal reasons? lololool and then substantiate the post by talking about BM.
the #s on the VCA don't even make sense, and the outcome is not consistent with the # score. for me, the only thing u have going for u is the night 1 rb, and u asked us to ignore that. so I'm left with nothing. I.e, zero scum hunting
I struggle to find the patience to discuss anything at all with you. If this post is completely devoid of any indication of scum hunting whatsoever then feel free to vote me tomorrow or whatever, it's (y)our funeral. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19844381
Darthpunk / SNB slot - town Notes: dp thinks geript is scum for early garbage. rayn disagrees with dp's assessment that geripts argument changed. dp says wos won't die night 1 this game. what assumptions about the gamestate does he make? town reads for the percieved strong players? does the fact that no strong players were shot successfully mean that the scum team is hiding among them or did the mafia team just want to ensure shots went through? this slot definitely town based on dp alone. Rayn - Nostradamus, also town:
On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne.
notes: koshi read is unsure, reflects more on koshi? need to compare with reverse read interesting defense of VA, feels good http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19808565 - super townie feels here Strange miscommunication with Koshi RE: Vayne vote, didn't understand it was pressure? I feel like I should be on the scum side of the spectrum from feels. Yamato - town notes: saved by lynched medic, god help us if there isn't another one Kush - I have him as town, info's already in my filter for that. You can disagree if you want. notes: not calling enough people scum to be scum. vote history is useless have to go by filter alone i guess? LOL:
On September 22 2013 02:05 kushm4sta wrote: are you serious right now stutters.... is this a plynch? a plynch from someone who gets modkilled every game for inactivity?
On September 25 2013 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i stopped reading after the underline lol
can't lynch this guy, too funny. Koshi - whole thought process seems to be in the thread, probably town. notes: soooooo many oneliners soooooo many votes
On September 22 2013 03:23 Koshi wrote: Yamato totes town. Docs should note down his name on a piece of paper and glue it above their bed.
trending towards scum read on rayn by the end of d1
On September 23 2013 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Cephiro votes Lonemeow wtf
Why are there so many people on him as throwaways?
I think that in itself might give some discussion to LM's alignment.
Please tell me why exactly you wrote this sentence.
Anyone? Anyone see how this might be bad news for Koshi? Maybe? I think it's the worst thing in his filter so if it's nothing then he's probably town. The rayn<->koshi dynamic is fucking weird. That's a super long bus if they're both scum, rayn shouted much of d1 away at koshi. Weak attempt at diverting the LM lynch, ends day with vote on Cephiro. FirmTofu - a re-read of his filter yesterday made me think town. Response to my idea to meta seemed townie, marv confirmed to be genuine. Probably town. Linked to Cephiro if Cephiro is scum, take a look for something like that. Notes: Sentinel case is pretty good Response to concept of reading his meta pretty good. Going to say town more than scum. Pandain - weird suspicions to start, on CC and OO. Quasi-defense of geript. Attack on sentinel. interesting thoughts on Stutters.
On September 26 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb.
Town Notes: Just fucking 100% town Cephiro - scum. He's the lynch tomorrow. Do it. If he's not shot he needs to be lynched. Notes: none required Mr. Cheesecake - seems intent on keeping me on my toes for his alignment. It's weird. Null then, bbcakes. Notes: Deserves special special attention. Vote analysis tells me he's tied for worst player in the thread. Intentional or not? Pandain vote is pretty much OMGUS, 180s based on Sentinel pressure from Pandain. If he's mafia then his bussing is starting late (think Decon) and his team is probably partly inactive. After LM lynch:
On September 26 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm done.
Can't stop thinking this in my head as "my work here is done /flex" Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum
On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed.
Coag - town duh Notes: Had a gun Stutters - lynch this as well. Notes:
On September 26 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys I've lost all desire to play with this cold. I'm getting over it now so I'll be reading up tomorrow and getting back into it. Lone meow hasn't changed anything from when I said he should be lynched so he's still my vote.
No need to play when the town is capable of pulling itself off course. 2 votes, 2 lonemeows iamperfection - ??? Notes: summary post on entry good, aligns with brain for the most part lol @ LM lynch =[ Nullo. Malongo slot - hopefully dies tonight Notes: error, player not found Sentinel - Lynch this as well.
On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.
Better than yamato I guess.
##Vote: Chairman Ray
Notes: Temporary vote on stutters who i have as mafia, votes for marv's meta prod, unvotes and hits umasi next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19811401 reading this post again makes me want to forget I ever unvoted him. THIRD SCUM READ because other two are boring? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812073 - this is in response to my question but doesn't answer it specifically. "yamato has more to show" wat? pressure the guy who is already talking? Backs down to yamato when yamato threatens the wrath of Yamato Cannon Look for references to Cephiro in his filter, suspicion but never pushed with any conviction. I just wanna lynch it. Also some kind of self-consciousness going on with keeping us up to date with his IRL situation. VE - firmly uncomfortably null. You pick. (Gut was town, must be scum.) Notes: Every vote of his is subjectively or objectively shitty except for geript and cephiro and neither of those is where his vote landed at the end of either day. His VCA looked VERY similar to this (my method is secret and patented btw) in Carnival and was how I finally caught him. 20: VisceraEyes -6 darthpunk yamato visceraeyes firmtofu mattchew lonemeow cephiro lonemeow geript lonemeow Geript - an angry null. Was all in on a town read for Mocsta.
On September 23 2013 20:00 geript wrote: Ok. See you hon keys after the test.
Tofu. I want an explanation of how you gave me a townread but completely missed all my vig claims.
I skipped the majority of your posts because I assumed you were having a shitfest with someone or the other and I wanted to finish catching up as fast as possible. It's a harsh reality, I know.
So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that?
Okay, maybe town. Maybe. Notes: Dislike him voting for Marv and peacing out for D2 lynch. Hiding in plain sight comes to mind. Just abrasive enough to have your attention, just MIA enough to be forgotten. Call me biased, but more scummy than null for me. Risen - I like him for some reason. Filter is short and sweet and he agrees with me on Sent at the time Notes: Also probably not scum, unless he's reveling in the fact that town is doing poorly in the thread which is in bad taste and probably not something scum would do. BOD town Marv - hoping town, big filter, many word. Notes: Ended up tied for "best" in my VCA (with DP/SNB) GREEEEEEEN Zaragon - hrm. Like his point about the chairman ray voters but that could be meaningless if it was town/town wagons. Votes everywhere for D1. I'll see what VCA says about this situation. Tentative town. Notes: See Mocsta Stream of consciousness. Like him for town right now. Mattchew - worked under the pressure, still feel okay about my town read on him. Notes: Yamato vote wtf. not a fan of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19805556 buddy yamato after voting him the day before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19837863 ignoring the pre-game is pretty much modus operandi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19841268 BONUS: making excuses for lack of participation pre-game sucks period, he's got a hard-on for painting marv as scum i think something that could be hit or miss but damn, post-flip justification just makes me squirm about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4095 Downgrading to scummy but not the scummiest. Umasi - something about voting lonemeow in the chaos, was on sentinel before that. hrm. Null leaning scum. Notes: Avoids the Cray train by voting for Sentinel Self-conscious posting?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19810587 MIA N1 for the most part. Landed in the middle of my sorted VCA thing. Not a high priority. Could even be wrong on this one. Nullo for now, then. JAT - likely town Notes: Like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812866 Went all proactive after I took his license. Likey. Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll Notes: Just too fucking crazy. Town or bust. Plus I don't want to read his madness again right now rofl.
If you missed it because I spoilered it, lol If you disregarded it because each is short, lol
Your approach and my approach are completely different. Most prefer the "treat the symptoms" method, which works fantastically in small games. I'm attempting to find the CURE, aka, solve the puzzle, aka, piece together the scum team as a whole. Is my approach bad? I don't care if you think it's bad. I really, honestly don't care what you think Mocsta, because I dislike you. I extend the courtesy of not being a douche-canoe towards you in game because it's the proper thing to do to. But don't think for a second that because I'm trying something new / different / foreign to you that it is somehow inferior or ineffective when you haven't seen how it turns out. We will find out if it's effective when the game ends, won't we?
My take away from this game, for me: I really just don't like big games. My VCA was pretty useless given how the flips went but I'll probably keep doing it / modifying it til it works for me Don't ignore Marv
Take away for others: Find out what got you mislynched and don't do that anymore Don't fake claim as town More manner
On October 06 2013 19:33 Clarity_nl wrote: For someone that hasn't read this 300 page game, can someone give a 5 line tl;dr version?
The town in this game was quite bad We lynched both doctors, so sad With so very much lurk The mafia could twerk Around in the thread like Jihad
One two, for the crew. Three four, for the dough. Five, for the hoes. Six seven eight, for death row. I had come to expect greater intellect from my homie OO. That flow was putrid, worse than opinions mama's feet. Rhymes dumb as a CD that didnt have no beat.
Oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You still can't beat me, OO.
you are aware that was a limerick right
I had hoped including a line about his mothers feet might tip someone off that it was a joke...