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Microsoft Clippy wrote: It looks like you're trying to fill a mafia game. Would you like to: • /in • /obs like a bitch • /pretend you're not obsing but watch anyway (like a bitch) /in | ||
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On September 12 2013 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote: This isn't even trolling anymore, its just sad. wat | ||
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On September 17 2013 21:04 Hopeless1der wrote: Spam will not be tolerated. Policy lynch inc. You have my axe. | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Shut up Kush. Here bring it to the people who know: Attention Team Liquid Mafia Players! Kushmasta has uncovered a scumtell for VisceraEyes! Apparently, the only time VisceraEyes ever uses CAPS to EMPHASIZE words, is when VisceraEyes is actually nefarious scums! How accurate is this tell? For bonus points, why or why not? TL Mafia LX That is all. | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: One game does not refute his claim - after all, I could have been attempting to subvert my meta after all. But I agree with you OO his tell is retardedsauce dumped on top of a bullshit-burger. There may be a sure fire tell but I'm not going to tell them or find out if it holds true. Also one feature does not a sure fire tell make! It just lets you know that you need to spend extra time looking at someone, right? Right!? Oh look, OO withholding information from town. He's totes scum! | ||
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On September 19 2013 20:18 marvellosity wrote: yeah, but i don't go around linking british food that looks like shit. edit: like seriously, i eat crumble reasonably often, and it never looks like that. it looks... nice. :/ edit 2: just look at that atrocity of a bowl it's served in. Yeah I did a 2 second google search for cherry cobbler on imgur so I could be lazy and not save/reupload myself. Can look it up yourself, some people make it real fancy but it's not generally served in a fancy dinner-style setting. I've mostly had it at large gatherings where it's produced "catering style" ala large batch thrown together as inexpensively as possible to maximize profit. Oh, and in grade school, ages and ages ago, same deal there (make enough for 400+, big school). It goes really well with black tea, honest!! | ||
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![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2375832/blue-streak-dance-o.gif) Town | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: OO---who the fuck raids anymore? Apparently people who are pretty terrible at the game. Fuck me, that was a painful 4 hours. DP is town. Geript is bad. On September 21 2013 12:04 geript wrote: Well at least I know that I can come back Sunday and tunnel DP. K. See you guys then. Kush is hilarious and I want to see that meta case. Koshi one of my candidates for scum: On September 21 2013 12:24 Koshi wrote: Why even add the option that you are scum? Strange, I dont remember you doing that. For realz I am in bed now. Intentionally ignoring the fact that the two have experience with one another? That Rayn is literally saying "let's play together like townies and if I'm scum I'll slip" is scummy? What? That's man-mode right there. What's with your shit posting Koshi? Like, really shitty posting. I'd like to hear more from you before I lynch you but you're apparently gone for the weekend. Anyone else getting this vibe off Koshi? Fake participation and useless interjection? | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Relevant: Pandain votes geript prior to posting in thread. Hello town VE! | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: God. As soon as I see Obvious I want to go after him. Super weird feeling. Maybe i'm still mad about Catch 22. That's probably it. Sorry =[ | ||
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I'm not sure how I want to deal with the geript situation. Whether he's scum or town, he feels cancerous. I was cool with it last game because I was scum and he was like super wrong and fucked with town and it was great, but today I'm not feeling accepting. His playing like this, feels to me, like he sets himself up at best lynch/mislynch of the game to force people to take sides on it. Like he's the only person playing and we're just NPCs. I really would rather not lynch him if he's town, his position is "accept it or whatever" apparently, so can we collectively ignore the shit out of him and focus on things that seem more rational or sane or do we have to lynch him to move on? I'm happier with the former. I'd rather not appeal to his ego by making today about him, which is where his play seems to be geared. Can potentially just vig him if he becomes a problem. | ||
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On September 21 2013 16:59 Mocsta wrote: BIG WORDS !!! have you been playing on MS ! No. I should check it out. I talked with Prome a lot about it when he used to play. I bet that diatribe about his ego is still I'm his profile. | ||
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On September 21 2013 17:27 Mocsta wrote: I don't understand what you are implying with 'hello town VE'. If you think it is town of VE to bring this to the thread; why are you giving me shit for making pandain observations? If you are being sarcastic; why do you think it is insignifcant that Pandain votes without thread presence? Explain. P.S. i was expecting over the past 25min or so, for you to be querying me. Considering you "read the game twice"; tried to cast me as a villain along with Koshi; and then made a hoo-haa about wanting to talk to me. Im off; but would like an answer to the above. VE said he was going to bed. Then he presumably couldn't sleep. [Scum sleep very well FYI] QED he's town! You picked on Pandain and then said goodbye. Then you came back wondering why I was picking on you for what you deemed to be similar. [Also this hit and run tactic you're playing is disconcerting] QED you're less town than VE! I don't know if you're scum but I certainly don't have a town read on you based on what you've done so far. Your answer about it being a binary idea threw me off, I thought there would be something more to it, so I am not really satisfied with the answer. Then again, I didn't really expect an intricate answer either, so I'm still confused: Why Pandain, what made Pandain special that you sought to look him up / keep tabs on him based on the pre-game? Did you just notice it to bring it up? Was there a motivation or other information you have that leads you to believe that Pandain is someone worth paying attention to right at the beginning of the game? We have more information now since some time has passed, so I'm mostly curious about what it was at that point in time that had you preoccupied with him. "It's a binary thing" is a non-answer to me. | ||
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On September 21 2013 19:04 Mocsta wrote: Correct. If I thought he was worth paying absolute attention to, I would have put a vote. It was an observation, to prompt him to contribute. It worked somewhat. He laid an unjustified vote. When I came back to the thread, and started skimming because everyone sounded like they were butthurt instead of hunting scum. Then I remembered Kush sayiung me/Pandain should be modkilled. Then I coudlnt recall pandain making a post.. which made me uneasy. I can't speak for everyone; but I was getting pissed off waiting for MZ to start the game. All I wanted to do was make a fisrt post, and then proceed to lurk because it was saturday day, and I had shit to do. Instead I had to keep sitting at the comp for liek1 hr, pressing F5.. In my frustration i made that post "..."; considering pandain copied me, i figured he felt the same way as opposed to trolling. Hence, to my surprise he was not quick at the bat to make a post; nor a post throughout the first couple hours. Henceforth me calling him out. Correct; but the original question was stupid and pointless. So you got a stupid and pointless answer. Shit in, Shit out. If you had written it that way before I would have been less concerned. By concern I mean I saw it as potentially setting you up to look good by casting suspicion right from the get-go. In this scenario, in my mind and my first instinct, you are potentially both mafia. I am leaning closer to town on you after things went pear shaped and settled out. Hopefully we get some more posting today despite the weekend laziness that seems to be happening. Pre-game was pretty exciting comparatively. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:25 Pandain wrote: Marv I'll look deeper into Obvious One but I don't see any real naturality. Instead I see construction. I like about him saying ignore the geript matter, but he then doesn't go on and go after someone. Instead he replies a lot to Mocstad which isn't active effort but rather forced effort. Out of people who have posted so far, he is the one who has done the least while still being a presence. Townie's aren't that defensive. I don't think it's damning of course but don't consider it a null-tell. Hi You're wrong. It will take you some games to realize that your pithy heuristics do not apply to the Obvious One. Listen to Marv VE and I like Rayn for what he wrote on this page. Just look somewhere else. If I wake up and you haven't gotten your shit together I'll be forced to believe this is scum agenda because you don't even know me, bro. Have a pleasant day. PS lets actually see what Vayne says when he says something alignment indicative. Trolling is his survival mechanism based on our last game together, so wait for the content. If he chooses not to do so today, that will be indicative as well and we can burn him with the fire of a thousand suns tomorrow. I got the bad feels about Koshi. The VA push seems like lynch bait 101. Easiest move to make for scum. All he has to do OS aggressively talk about VA trolling and keep it in the foreground long enough to catch some steam and boom, suddenly it a fellatio party where everyone is down with the sickness. Coag not playing is currently a non-factor as well given he does that all the time. Fuck this is hard to do on mobile. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes I'm aware it wasn't what you were getting at. I asked you what you were getting at and you said later.  I'm just telling you where I stand because you mentioned him. Where's Kush? VE is emphasizing words and I want to know if this further confirms or conflates his previously stated townish read. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: They're italicized rather than capitalized OO. You're safe. Or are you? It's debatable. I have a fever. Things are warped slightly. Please make Pandain piss in someone else's cheerios. Give me your thoughts on CC? | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:58 Umasi wrote: koshis like a less extreme rayn imo, the way I read him is how sincere he sounds, but I'm still on the fence about him Does that worry you? Signal to noise ratio too low? Also what are his other thoughts other than VA? I don't recall any off the top of my head. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a hard time reading CC because he so damn sexy. He's at least contributing, and I think that's enough to not kill him today...much like Mocsta before him. Leaning town until he does something I really don't like. I need to see him in an argument with Not-Pandain to decide. Preferably a big messy one. Then I will judge him. If it helps I came to the same conclusion for opposite reasons. What it really boils down to is that he's not trolly enough for an easy town read. I see him closer to his scum self than what I remember of his town game. Actually the more I think about it, he hasn't done the whole "bus my entire team all day every day" routine. Fuck it. Town from me as well. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:15 kushm4sta wrote: Also can't reveal my capitalization tell on ve since its not worth it because he's just town and I want to use it in the future but I am 100 percent sure he's town. Yup get metad bitch. Next I will meta dp. Got a good chuckle out of this. You can live today too. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: How do you know I'm not bussing coag/LM? Look at aperture d1. Felkyr and alakaslam were my punching bags. Lol hey that's a pretty cool self-reflection. I like it. Does you no good to point it if you're mafia. Besides, it's like a day 1 read and all that. Subject to license and agreement. Terms and conditions apply. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: It's not just Sentinel voting Coag which I'm suspicious of, though I think it is convieniant. He actually hasn't done anything either, suprisingly as I look back. He talked about Stutters but ended with "I would like to see more." Only thing he did was say Coag was bad. Sentinel you suspicious of anyone else? What are your thoughts? How is life? I H O S I hoes! You DOG, you! Like where this is going. Not sure what Sent is doing but it feels like nothing. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:54 Zaragon wrote: Done reading filters for the night. Marvellosity feels town. yamato77 felt very town, but one long first post relatively late in the day can easily be very pro-town scum so I'll put him as neutral until I have a pattern to go on. Pandain same deal, except with less initial town feeling and thus more leaning towards scum. I'm thinking I'd prefer a lynch to generate information day 2, as much as it pains me to skip non-contributors. I'll elaborate and look at links if it's still relevant by tomorrow, now I need sleep. Have fun guys First post game (a la the thread!). Let's crack this! I'll go first. More likely to come from scum. | ||
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that's why it's a game... | ||
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You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote: So you think only scum posts like that? I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote: No, I don't. But if you don't think it eliminates him as town you shouldn't expect me to think so. Your answer is super evasive in mentality IMO. It was a simple question. I would have expected town to answer it and then possibly retort that "OO is dumb lol" but you sort of gave me the equivalent of a dumbfounded look. It's... Interesting. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:30 yamato77 wrote: Since I left, almost nothing of consequence has happened. I am disappoint. Yamatbro, what you think about this justanothertownie fellow? Help me make things of consequence happen! | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:32 justanothertownie wrote: I won't call you dumb because your initial question was not dumb. Why should I? I require research to understand you further. Your profile will probably suffice, if I have questions I'll just poke you. | ||
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I'm basically going to think he's scummy today no matter what, so (cover your eyes, earmuff your children) I need to wait and see with him. Only question I have for you right now JAT: Have you played mafia before outside of TL? If so, briefly describe it. | ||
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On September 23 2013 05:55 Koshi wrote: I never said FT was scum. I said I had no problem lynching him. Then you said: why. Then I said: I expected more. Then you said: elaborate. Then I summed up all his actions in 2 sentences. Then you said I said FT was scum. Then I made this post. First sentence. Wow. That's scummy as fuck. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:41 yamato77 wrote: Convince me on Sentinel, if you won't listen to me about Ray. Give me time then. Can't bang it out on mobile. And yes, I know time is scarce. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 5* In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? | ||
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Town sentiment is irrelevant if you're town. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm glad you think so but I've posted 4-5 things in this game that have gone completely ignored because they weren't 'current topics.' yamato I'm kind of surprised at Rayn/Mocsta being your top two. Do you think you can get either of them lynched today? More information betta. Okay I'm at my computer now yay! Full re-assessment on Sentinel on my end starting in the background. @Sent LoneMeow was the one who was replying to stuff half the game back, right? I did that my first scum game, lol. I think I also did it in a town game as well (Fruity?). That's the major thing I remember about him. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking. I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though. I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red. But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Umasi Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back. Someone look at this first paragraph with me and tell me how it is or it not analogous to "don't want to vote FT since he can't defend himself" | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What are you implying there? You're calling Umasi scum for something you are doing yourself, is what I'm implying, if my reading comprehension is working. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Umasi pushed a LM lynch then got off when he couldn't find anything to push him with. I was never on the LM wagon to start with. This coffee still hasn't hit my brain so you can confirm/deny this so I can have it straight: Umasi: Intent to vote LM --> no support --> drops it Sentinel: Intent to vote LM --> LM not here to defend himself --> drops it I am drawing this parallel, but I am also noting that you called Umasi scum for it. So does that QED you are scum? | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:21 yamato77 wrote: I have, twice. In Personality 2, all he did was bitch about people pressuring him to contribute as a replacement and coast along until endgame. In Catch 22, he made shitty pushes (namely on me for accusing him) and continually claimed there was no way to catch him because he plays town and scum exactly the same. Sound similar? Hence my initial suspicion. I hard bussed him because he bussed me without permission. He's still mad about it. That's why he got lynched D1. You're welcome! | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Good grief, Ray's posts looked constructed in his newbie game. That's kinda disappointing. I think he is a teacher. If I'm remembering blogs correctly. Which isn't likely. But he can tell us! | ||
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I've re-read through Sentinel three times and I'm seeing the bigger picture here, gonna unvote him. He's at least talking and while his vote towards Yamato is weak, his previous votes are all fine for what they are. I also buy his response regarding the vote thing. ##unvote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Why does Mocsta talk like he's the boss, and then fuck off? This is crap. Everybody knows something about DP. + Show Spoiler [fake crumb??] + On September 21 2013 19:27 Mocsta wrote: @VE Sorry for the cop-out; but I will give you my thoughts on the Geript/DP situation having onyl re-read up to p28 (where Geript says, see you on Sunday. Bye). (Copping out, cos im busy till voice mafia starts. and then.. its voice mafia lol. so wont be reading this). Basically; im suspicious of Geript up to that point. Reading the posts and giving him benefit of the doubt. He suspects DP is scum for not being assertive. OK fair enough perhaps. My issue is how he pushes after that... instead of trying to firm up his read on DP and inquiring about him. Geript reads to be as emotionally unattached and making posts to bait DP into a fury. I agree that two people fighting early on, are typically town; but usually ppl are trying to out-wit each other in the battle to declare the other, scum. I just don't get that feeling from Geript. He just feels removed. I am not a pro at blue-hunting, but I dont think a blue role would be this type of removed either, which leads to leaning scum. I know Geript made a defense case later on, so once I have read the whole thread again, I will let you know if I feel strongly enough about this lean to lead with a vote. P.S. I think its townie points that DP/VE didnt want to get into a shitfight. Even though he says he isn't "meta-able' I think that a scum DP would be more than happy to get into a shitfight this early on, and then rest of his laurels for a cycle or two. Over n Out. On September 21 2013 23:08 Mocsta wrote: Have you turned a new leaf or something? Since when do you care as town? Knows Kush is town? | ||
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Do it ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote: Why? The reasons you came up with are not lining up for me. Because he's disruptive and a jerk and It will make me feel good. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:14 geript wrote: Oh yah, and I didn't get a towny feel from Mattchew but i forget why. I feel so left out =[ | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:23 yamato77 wrote: Can you expand this reasoning to include specific references? No thanks. I'm good. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Look, when I'm mafia, I LOVE THAT HE'S IN THE GAME. His hubris fucks up towns so bad that it's like he's an extra teammate. Now, I want him gone. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote: I dunno, I'm bad at reading active players on Day 1. Workin' my way down the playerlist at the moment. I'm at Firm fwiw :p I'll definitely get to Mocsta though. Convenient given that Mocsta is dead last on the list. HRMMMMMMMMMMM! | ||
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Have you developed thoughts regarding Pandain since your last mention? | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:34 Umasi wrote: A: when does day1 end and B: Can we get a vote count? At this point, I don't know why he'd be biased against me, I just kinda took his word for it, but marv bringing up the previous games makes me wonder, although I probably won't lynch him today. Why are people voting mocsta/want to lynch mocsta/think he is scummy/suspicious of him/whatever? I kinda think he's town. Magnets: You can't explain that. But you can explain your town read on Mocsta | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote: Can you confirm or deny that LM and yourself have a history? Read my posts about Mocsta, and/or justify your townread of him. ninja'd you so hard, bro | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:37 yamato77 wrote: OO, why are you speaking for VA? It was more of an echo considering I didn't actually "speak for him" in the figurative sense. But mostly because he ninja voted. | ||
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1am EDT Lots longer than I thought. I guess the late start pushed back the deadline for today. We'll see how he changes this, if at all, by day 2. | ||
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Do not Vig DP. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: Unfortunately. I don't think geript will change his mind. If he shoots you I will not rest until he is buried. He's aiming for scum VIP two games in a row. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote: Why would you do that? If he vig's me he is likely the town vig no? To be honest I would like the medic to protect me from his vig shot. It is my only hope. I'd settle for him getting himself modkilled for playing against his win con. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:31 Mocsta wrote: Correct. On phone so sorry. I'm notorious at bad typing when phone posting. So if u do t troll.. why did u troll Ve at start of game? I'm trying to figure out how this has any fucking relevance at all. Hey let's ask a series of questions to make it look like we're participating! | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:18 Koshi wrote: Yeah, shoot rayn. OO Risen Coag rayn Firmtofu Those are good vigi targets. Its staggeringly easy to know when I'm scum. All you have to do is look at a couple previous games. I mean if you don't actually care whether or not I'm scum, by all means put me on your little list. But maybe, hey for giggles, look at two scum games and two town games of mine (they're in my profile) before you go telling people to shoot me. | ||
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On September 24 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: FT/Cephiro the lynch targets here. I'll vote Cephiro. Don't trust the #stagedhype surrounding FT lynch. Luuuuuuuucyyyyyyyy, you got some 'splainin to do. Actually, I just looked at Cephiro. Feels like Chairman Ray of day 2. Actually it's worse. He promised nothing but the basest of activity for the first week of the game due to IRL circumstances. How do I decide if he's scum or town based on what he has put there? Well, I guess I'll look at the content, can't take more than two seconds right? LM vote: Rushed. We were all on the same page regarding the unknown deadline I would assume? Did anyone hint they knew the deadline was earlier than the vote count projected? So the reasons were shitty, but fitting with his disconnect with the game based on activity. I do hate this for what it is, but I'm thinking about the way he would phrase it. Like, if he's mafia and making excuses, he already has his excuse (busy week) no need to complicate things by fabricating new excuses, that's not the kind of spontaneity I associate with scum: On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote: Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum. His reads on 5 people? Okay little more time spent, but swinging me the other way. His kush read: doesn't like behavior Coag read: doesn't like behavior Sentinel read: finally something he could call someone scummy for, bad reasoning and useless posts Vayne read: behavior again JAT read: I already gave a basic meta for him which is essentially repeated So from this list his best scum suspect is Sentinel. My last idea here: On September 24 2013 10:36 Cephiro wrote: I wanted to give you something to by in the case I am vig shotted. Agreed that it may be not much, but someone may be able to make something out of it. Yes, it is true I haven't been helping you out this game because I've been busy. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to properly read more than 50 pages and analyzing all the communication in it? Is it simply because I wasn't able to post properly during this first cycle that you don't expect anything from me at all? This is what I find downright insulting, and I'm not sure if I'm more sad or furious right now. Do you expect everyone to live some fucking 24/7 holiday life where they can always have their mafia games at #1 priority? If I didn't give a shit, why would I be posting and reading through the countless pages I still have to waddle through at fucking 4:30 AM? At least I wasn't voting to kill our parity cop regardless of my activity. -_- In any case, I firmly vouch for vigs not shooting me tonight. Why? Because I am an incredibly good townie when I have time to post. I interact a lot, I pressure my scumreads hard, and everyone can certainly get a good read on me. In pretty much every game where I have rolled town I have been able to establish my town-ness to others properly, in a way or another. (Well, admittingly I do that fairly well when I roll scum too.) If you decide to shoot me tonight, you won't just lose a potentially great townie, but you won't be gaining any information. Me flipping town doesn't really give anything to go by, as I haven't been able to interact with others yet. Shoot someone that you think is scum, someone that will give us a lot of information from the flip even if they end up flipping town. If you genuinely think I am the best shot for tonight, then do it. I trust in our vigs to understand that is not the case. And back to catching up. "I'm looking like shit but you should let me live". He pointed out a bunch of people in a similar situation to him... and he is special because he's going to be readable? Well, you have 40 hours or so to make that a reality! TLDR: not averse to lynching without massive turnaround | ||
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On September 24 2013 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: This whole thing and you don't even say whether or not you think he's scum. "Not adverse to lynching" could be said about any number of feelings, including "I hate this player", "I would policy-lynch this player", "I'm paying no attention to this player" etc. I'm most interested in who you'd like to lynch because you think they're scum OO. If I want to lynch someone... and town wants to lynch scum... connect the dots. "......." lol | ||
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On September 24 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Am I scum? Because I've been excusing my shit play AND martyring OO. What about BH was he scum? He spent all of N1 excusing his play, but shit he flipped town. So no, not okay. Also like I said before, I found his freaking out at geript or yamato or whoever the fuck to be genuine...do you think scum typically make posts like that? What about FT OO? I'm voting for FT, and have commented on reasons why. Any particular reason you don't like an FT lynch? He was the counter-wagon to the D1 lynch and everything! I just wanna lynch, bro. What if it was a halfhearted bus? What if it's cephiro and ft and LM? As for you I can't say. It took me a VCA to catch you last time. My gut instinct is town and that's always been wrong. Should I call you mafia based on gut? (inverse gut, actually) | ||
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On September 24 2013 15:35 VisceraEyes wrote: No if you call me mafia at all, call me mafia for a reason. Ugh...whatever vote for who you want to vote for. I'll tell you who the best person to vote for is tomorrow though if it's not FT. Right now I think it's FT. I wish you had said yes that would have been so cool. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. I don't recognize this bold part's voice, time to cross-ref some older games. | ||
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Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack" - town Sicilian Style Mafia - town Persona 4 - mafia Titanic Mini - mafia Only major thing I see from speeding through is that he likes to repeat that he is not scum when he is scum. And I do recall he has said that here. Is it a mafia tell for Tofu? Fuck knows. | ||
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Also spent some quality time in WoS filter for ideas. IMO his death was the most meaningful. That'll be later I guess. + Show Spoiler [not game related] + http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/clinical-depression/AN01057 Apparently I have this and I need help. Symptoms for months. Today is a not so good day for me if you're familiar with my ups and downs. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:12 marvellosity wrote: If you replace 'ego' with 'penis', perhaps. You know how to cheer a bloke up a bit. Thanks, mate. =] | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:27 marvellosity wrote: You just, ya know, didn't give a fuck at all to comment on either of the hot candidates at the time? Didn't really see the need of getting involved with finding a decent lynch, no? This resonates strongly with me re: both candidates were town. Fuck it. Not waiting for FT to answer. Go into his filter and read everything on the first two pages without the cloud of your current decision about his alignment and tell me that's not a town filter. I am more concerned about how his wagon formed so effectively. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not a town filter. :3 It totally is. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM. If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all. Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision. Problem? | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote: I think the idea is that if someone is a main candidate for lynch and you have a townread on them, it's probably a good idea to mention it. I just established that I just established a town read on him. Like today. Game is hard. | ||
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On September 25 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Mocsta now you are lying. You said at the start of the game clearly that you are on the right.. I forgot that post. The one that drew my ire. With the fancy colors and the text-art. lol. Time to sheep yesterday's scum read. Mocsta feels a lot less douchey. That's a compliment but it's backhanded. Sorry. ##Vote: MattChew | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Murdered is something I don't intend on ##unvote Unfurl the puzzle. No anger here, just submits. To his scum read. Final(lol) vote count: [adjusted to chronological order by his filters] Coagulation (0): Stutters695 (0): Umasi (0): yamato77 (1): Chairman Ray (6): yamato77, Koshi, Mocsta, kushm4sta, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, [UoN]Sentinel, geript Liking this effect. 1 scum on here (at most) between Pandain and Umasi. [UoN]Sentinel (3): | ||
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LoneMeow (4): 1. I hate that CC is on here. Did he fuck off or something? Too lazy to check right now. 2. Umasi appears here and ends on Sentinel. Too lazy to look at his vote reason right now. Probably some newb-on-newb hardcore 3. Stutters and Cephiro. (I'll just leave this here, click me!) Stuff to stew on. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Not so much useless as not posting at all. There's a difference, if you want to get into that sort of thing. Regardless, I am indeed town and would thoroughly enjoy lynching scum today. Have a handful of townreads that I'm fairly confident on. I'm OK with lynching Sent / LM / Pandain / Zaragon.... mayyyyyybe FT. Sweet jumping Jesus you scared me. BRB getting my heart out of my throat. Okay so he could still be scum just being lazy since he worked real hard to win us our last game together. <3 | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: you're gonna have to explain this good for me. Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post) It's the same Kush Kush unplugged | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote: This is nowhere near good enough, OO. "he was uninvolved one other time as town so I am 100% he is town here" is not right. And yes I followed Smurf in detail so it's not like you're referencing something I didn't see. This goose is happy with his answer for today. Tough shit, I guess. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote: Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on. Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot. You're welcome. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway. You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Did kush make a random case on some random dude in Smurf and then peace out? I don't remember him doing that. I'm happy to be proven wrong. He basically has no idea what is going on whatsoever in this game (deadline, kp, all the basic shit in the OP) -- same. Short and sweet heuristic reads (a la Coag) betraying his lazy nature -- same Jokes and general fucking around -- he expressed he wanted to really strongly, and some did leak in that game The only thing that's really different on a basic level is his neurotic obsession with "meta-ing" people. -- he said he was trying something new, BOD "A random case on a random dude and poof" is too specific to the circumstances of one game and you know that. | ||
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On September 25 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote: No, it's actually tremendously important. If he has no idea what's going on and he's kinda playing as you describe, it seems incredibly unlikely he'll just alight on some random dude and make a case on him and vote for him. The two don't go together. He's a dog chasing cars, Marv. Maybe he's the Joker and he's playing me, but his chaotic is chaotic lawful IMHO. So I suppose we'll disagree but now you have the whole thing as I see it. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:00 justanothertownie wrote: The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia. Your reactive license has just been revoked. Proactive or gallows. Choose your adventure. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:45 Pandain wrote: This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset. If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post. People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote. My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options. I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad. I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town. I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter. If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions. There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning. For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town. Still reading But Where did I vote coag? If I did I am an idiot. If you're lying your read is fake. Wow. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Panda is probably a bad lynch. Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2. It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote: As far as I know, the lynch was never limited to Cephiro and FT. Sentinel is still an option, I'm now on the table for some, but for some reason LM chose FT between FT and Cephiro. Thanks for writing out my reasoning for me VE | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game? I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You were shittastic, that is besides the point. My point is that most of the team lurked and was useless in the grand scheme of things. Felkyr, you, randombum, coag... austin day 1-2 and 'till the end of 3, 'slam who was obv mafia but nobody lynched him because he was an easy target. Only clarity was a town influence, and myself to a certain extent. Austin in the latter part. Oh shit that's right there were 7 of us in that game. I channeled my rage at you. Sorry. You want some coffee and a German cookie? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 8.German cookie sounds good. I'm mad at Pandain for shittastic cases on both of us too, but does that make him scum necessarily? Lol 8 fuck i need this coffee brewing. Can't remember which of Pandain or cephiro did what tbh. Actually cephiro was in aperture so I should see how his play meshes up with that. Could be a good lead! Thx! | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhhhhhhhhh.....uuhhhhhhhhh...... That's.......not townlike from marv.  Mafia Marv would be abusing the chaos. He's town. | ||
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His scum reads are literally the easiest things in the world for either alignment. Not seeing an attempt to prove he's town. I see questions but not a lot of accusations. Also this promise was never fulfilled, so his easy reads are his only reads: On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote: Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today: kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. Was going to mention his use of color but his filter in this game isn't engaged enough for him to really have discussed his scum reads at length and to beg us to lynch / kill them. The engagement is the biggest thing for me. It's harder to post when mafia and I know that's a tell very specific to me but I can't be the only one with it. Fuck. Is there a round-up of suspicions on Cephiro outside of what has been recently discussed? Does he ever say anyone is TOWN in this game? I don't see that, either. On May 29 2013 19:46 Baker1986 wrote: " | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's easier to post as mafia, for me anyway O.o Because you bus like a boss you fucking bussing busser. Easier to post when you know you're right, is it? | ||
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That was scummy . Thanks for helping mafia by throwing away your vote in a plurality. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Does Geript have a confirmed shot anywhere? No he basically said he was joking about having a gun to create some kind of effect and nobody has bothered him since. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote: The thing is, the way geript is playing could well be legitimate townie paranoia. But at the moment there's a distinct lack of trying to solve the game or interact with others while doing so Make it null, captain. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The thing is I'm so not confident as town. And if I want to lynch somebody for doing distinctly non-town things people are going to shout: "Town can do that too! He's just bad town! That's so obviously not-town oriented that scum would never do such a thing!" The problem is that they are probably right, and we end up with a mislynch. If I can't trust that characteristics associated with being mafia or being not-town are true, how on Earth can I push a correct lynch? LM is playing not-town. So therefore he should be mafia, am I missing something here? And Koshi, please fuck off kindly. I'm going to tell you a quick story. It's an analogy for where I think TL towns should be headed but it takes testicular fortitude and nobody has time for that. I'm in a 25-man raid, and one of the components of the fight is that a subset of the group goes off on its own to ensure that everyone survives. That sub-group requires someone to keep them alive. Now, in this specific raid, nobody wanted to do it. I begged, I AFK'd, nobody volunteered. So here's what I said: "I'm going to start kicking healers until someone volunteers to heal the subgroup". Guess what? Someone fucking volunteered right quick. Apply it to this game: I'm ready to start lynching people who very clearly are not interested in participating or even looking town. If you're not participating, you're scum. You're scum and you can fuck off and never sign up for another game until you get your shit together. Stay the fuck out of my games with this nonsense. I can't make the hosts remove you but I am empowered to do the removing myself. VOTE LONEMEOW ENGLAND PREVAILS The concept that mafia will be the only ones looking town is fucking stupid and I reject it with all my being. If town don't want to act/look town because "they have no reason to" then I have no reason to keep them around, do I? No. So, all in all, rage mode is activated. I want to kill LM because he has - made no effort to look town - made no effort to actually play the game - is as about as involved in the dialogue as a gerbil So we're fucking killing him today, because if you want garbage-free games now and in the future, you need to set the precedent. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:54 Koshi wrote: @ObviousOne Yeah, this is never going to happen. The part that TL will start playing better because we plynch. If you want TL mafia become better. You play a shitton more invitational games. The real cool games are 100% invitational. Like the next one from Sentinel. Me playing games to get better doesn't make any of the other 29 players play properly. Unless you mean for my sanity I should try to get into invitational games. For my sanity, I generally avoid large games. I signed up for this to try it again and, well, yeah. Less than pleased but not much I can do about it except yell and vote. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:55 Cephiro wrote: If you'd read the cases properly, you'd see there are actually way more accusations rather than questions. So why is providing the two cases I have completed bad, just because they are "easy" targets? I think it's better to post the reads you are more certain on rather than try to sell everyone on a case you're unsure of yourself. My filter isn't "engaged" enough because of the lack of time. Missing out on pretty much all of D1, N1, and the first half of D2 doesn't leave much time to engage. And still I'm here using that time as effectively as I can. I haven't been able to ensure other townies of my townyness in the few posts I've made. Usually with more posts that is also something much easier done, since it gives others content to make reads from. I have several townreads, but in the time I have available, I consider it much more efficient to spend it on telling you about my scumreads and trying to prove others that I am town, rather than trying to tell everyone "Hey, I think player X is town because..". Sure, that also helps to some extent, but it's not as efficient. If you want though, I have no problem in sharing my townreads. Someone did a list post where they pegged everyone as something. As a new player I thought that would be a great way to share your reads on everyone, but with more experience I have learned the contrary, which is why I don't do such. @JAT: At the moment it seems to me the only other realistic candidate is LoneMeow. Of course things could still happen, but I won't delve into the world of those possibilities right now. From my perspective, anyone is a better lynch than I am, since to me I'm confirmed town. (Obviously.) Lone isn't the best lynch available in my opinion, but it's a lynch I can get on. Many players have already pointed out flaws in his play. In my opinion, there are also some redeeming qualities. Trying to look at it from a newbie perspective, it is possible that he's simply trying to provide his reads for the other players but doesn't know how to back them up. (I have not read his newbie games so I don't know what caliber of a player he has been in those.) But it's also a very convinient free out-of-lynch card for claiming newbie, thus being able to vote and blame several players without committing, easily flip-flopping from a target to another. I'd much rather see kush lynched, but I can get on a LM lynch as well. I want to read this, I really do, but every time I try my eyes glaze over and I tab back to my video game. I'll try to make sense of it after a stogie. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:56 marvellosity wrote: I have a feeling I'm not going to be listened to. Oh well. You're 100% on this? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:15 Mattchew wrote: this is the worst post ever, not in terms of alignment I HOPE HE'S TOWN TOO JESUS CHRIST MATT DO YOU HOPE HE'S SCUM? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:18 Mattchew wrote: I hope everyone is town and we win just win right now? I don't hope he's anything, I just try to figure out what he is It implies a town read and "I HOPE IM RIGHT" You disagree, show us. | ||
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Sleeping. It's part of the non-game-related spoiler I posted earlier. You're not showing us he's mafia. You're complaining about town reads on him. Where's your campaign on marv? Why are you voting LM if you think marv is scum? | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:31 Pandain wrote: VE is still best lynch but between ceph and lm, lm is best. Besides ceph contributing more, my main suspicion of LM was him voting himself as there's no town reason to. Same applies to VE Day one but his was even more suspicious VE martyring is not alignment indicative and that's my final answer because I've been in his head. I've shadowed him. I've been scum with him. He fucking loves to play scum. If he's in the dumps about his play it's because he's town and performing poorly due to time or whatever. COULD he do it as scum? Sure. So I am not letting it have any bearing on my read of him. It's null. Bark up some other trees, please, KTHXBYE | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:40 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, if you insist. I see no reason why but I will do that. I just want to resolve this as fast as possible so we can not have people making my VCA harder than it needs to be. | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:43 iamperfection wrote: so i believe we have just over two hours who's here now and up until the deadline? I am not here. | ||
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On September 25 2013 17:57 FirmTofu wrote: To be clear, I don't really mind the Mattchew lynch because he's pretty useless. I just don't think he's going to flip scum based on what he's been saying. We also really, really need to lynch scum today because it reduces scum KP by 1. I think there are quite a few people that are scummier than Mattchew that would be better lynches with a higher chance of flipping scum. If FT is mafia, so is cephiro, or this is just an honest mistake. I can't tell which. | ||
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Actually I think I'm just retarded right now. But the idea is how the fuck is KP going to be 2 with 5 mafia alive if we had lynched mafia? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1. darthpunk -- strongandbig 2. raynpelikoneet 5. yamato77 6. kushm4sta 7. koshi 8. obviousone 10. firmtofu 11. pandain 12. cephiro 13. mr cheesecake 14. xzavier (empty) -- deconduo 15. coagulation 16. stutters695 17. onegu (empty) -- iamperfection 18. zenatsu (empty) -- malongo (empty) 19. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429754&user=[UoN]Sentinel -- the guy whose name breaks url tags, gj with that lol 20. visceraeyes 22. geript 23. risen 25. marvellosity 26. zaragon 27. mattchew 28. umasi 29. justanothertownie 30. mocsta | ||
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On September 26 2013 16:09 Mattchew wrote: Whats sad is that i dont think lm actually didnt play THAT bad a game if he really believed be wouldnt be lynched You voted LM both days and never voted anyone else ever in the history of day one and two HRMMMMMMMMM GET VOTE ANALYZED BISH | ||
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On September 26 2013 16:25 Mocsta wrote: Stream of consciousness: Stutters695 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Stutters695&view=all + Show Spoiler +
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset. (1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu. In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town. (2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play (3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town). (4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt. SCUM RIGHT HERE. My pre-VCA thoughts agree. I just wrote Stutters - lynch this as well. Only ever voted for LoneMeow. I'll get to his filter eventually in my notepad. | ||
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On September 26 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote: is the stream of consciousness approach working? or too painful to read? im making really bad calls this game, which is why im trying to be as transparent as possible. Essentially I recognise I have been cockblocking ppl too prematurely in some cases. Interesting enough, marv has a presence in both these filters (zaragon/stutters) but in a really good way. DW marv, I will get to your filter eventually; dunno, if the word limit will run out though Wont be around for the next 6 hrs I guess, but next cab off the rank is Mr.CC. His filter is small, so I might be able to squeeze it out before I head out. Will see. More from you is helping me gauge my read on you, actually. If our thoughts continue to match up I can feel more confident in my leaning-town on you, so do your thing. I am not giving myself much credit in my read of you as it was for D2. Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll | ||
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On September 26 2013 16:12 ObviousOne wrote: You voted LM both days and never voted anyone else ever in the history of day one and two HRMMMMMMMMM GET VOTE ANALYZED BISH Oops Day1 was yamato (was looking at stutters in my sheet). Not much better. | ||
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Legend: Name: Pre-VCA impressions: Notes: (post-VCA re-reads) + Show Spoiler [big] + Darthpunk / SNB slot - town Notes: dp thinks geript is scum for early garbage. rayn disagrees with dp's assessment that geripts argument changed. dp says wos won't die night 1 this game. what assumptions about the gamestate does he make? town reads for the percieved strong players? does the fact that no strong players were shot successfully mean that the scum team is hiding among them or did the mafia team just want to ensure shots went through? this slot definitely town based on dp alone. Rayn - Nostradamus, also town: On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne. notes: koshi read is unsure, reflects more on koshi? need to compare with reverse read interesting defense of VA, feels good http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19808565 - super townie feels here Strange miscommunication with Koshi RE: Vayne vote, didn't understand it was pressure? I feel like I should be on the scum side of the spectrum from feels. Yamato - town notes: saved by lynched medic, god help us if there isn't another one Kush - I have him as town, info's already in my filter for that. You can disagree if you want. notes: not calling enough people scum to be scum. vote history is useless have to go by filter alone i guess? LOL: On September 22 2013 02:05 kushm4sta wrote: are you serious right now stutters.... is this a plynch? a plynch from someone who gets modkilled every game for inactivity? On September 25 2013 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i stopped reading after the underline lol can't lynch this guy, too funny. Koshi - whole thought process seems to be in the thread, probably town. notes: soooooo many oneliners soooooo many votes On September 22 2013 03:23 Koshi wrote: Yamato totes town. Docs should note down his name on a piece of paper and glue it above their bed. trending towards scum read on rayn by the end of d1 On September 23 2013 22:16 Koshi wrote: Please tell me why exactly you wrote this sentence. Anyone? Anyone see how this might be bad news for Koshi? Maybe? I think it's the worst thing in his filter so if it's nothing then he's probably town. The rayn<->koshi dynamic is fucking weird. That's a super long bus if they're both scum, rayn shouted much of d1 away at koshi. Weak attempt at diverting the LM lynch, ends day with vote on Cephiro. FirmTofu - a re-read of his filter yesterday made me think town. Response to my idea to meta seemed townie, marv confirmed to be genuine. Probably town. Linked to Cephiro if Cephiro is scum, take a look for something like that. Notes: Sentinel case is pretty good Response to concept of reading his meta pretty good. Going to say town more than scum. Pandain - weird suspicions to start, on CC and OO. Quasi-defense of geript. Attack on sentinel. interesting thoughts on Stutters. On September 26 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb. Town Notes: Just fucking 100% town Cephiro - scum. He's the lynch tomorrow. Do it. If he's not shot he needs to be lynched. Notes: none required Mr. Cheesecake - seems intent on keeping me on my toes for his alignment. It's weird. Null then, bbcakes. Notes: Deserves special special attention. Vote analysis tells me he's tied for worst player in the thread. Intentional or not? Pandain vote is pretty much OMGUS, 180s based on Sentinel pressure from Pandain. If he's mafia then his bussing is starting late (think Decon) and his team is probably partly inactive. After LM lynch: On September 26 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm done. Can't stop thinking this in my head as "my work here is done /flex" Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed. Coag - town duh Notes: Had a gun Stutters - lynch this as well. Notes: On September 26 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys I've lost all desire to play with this cold. I'm getting over it now so I'll be reading up tomorrow and getting back into it. Lone meow hasn't changed anything from when I said he should be lynched so he's still my vote. No need to play when the town is capable of pulling itself off course. 2 votes, 2 lonemeows iamperfection - ??? Notes: summary post on entry good, aligns with brain for the most part lol @ LM lynch =[ Nullo. Malongo slot - hopefully dies tonight Notes: error, player not found Sentinel - Lynch this as well. On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance. Better than yamato I guess. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Notes: Temporary vote on stutters who i have as mafia, votes for marv's meta prod, unvotes and hits umasi next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19811401 reading this post again makes me want to forget I ever unvoted him. THIRD SCUM READ because other two are boring? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812073 - this is in response to my question but doesn't answer it specifically. "yamato has more to show" wat? pressure the guy who is already talking? Backs down to yamato when yamato threatens the wrath of Yamato Cannon Look for references to Cephiro in his filter, suspicion but never pushed with any conviction. I just wanna lynch it. Also some kind of self-consciousness going on with keeping us up to date with his IRL situation. VE - firmly uncomfortably null. You pick. (Gut was town, must be scum.) Notes: Every vote of his is subjectively or objectively shitty except for geript and cephiro and neither of those is where his vote landed at the end of either day. His VCA looked VERY similar to this (my method is secret and patented btw) in Carnival and was how I finally caught him. 20: VisceraEyes -6 darthpunk yamato visceraeyes firmtofu mattchew lonemeow cephiro lonemeow geript lonemeow Geript - an angry null. Was all in on a town read for Mocsta. On September 23 2013 20:05 geript wrote: So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that? Okay, maybe town. Maybe. Notes: Dislike him voting for Marv and peacing out for D2 lynch. Hiding in plain sight comes to mind. Just abrasive enough to have your attention, just MIA enough to be forgotten. Call me biased, but more scummy than null for me. Risen - I like him for some reason. Filter is short and sweet and he agrees with me on Sent at the time Notes: Also probably not scum, unless he's reveling in the fact that town is doing poorly in the thread which is in bad taste and probably not something scum would do. BOD town Marv - hoping town, big filter, many word. Notes: Ended up tied for "best" in my VCA (with DP/SNB) GREEEEEEEN Zaragon - hrm. Like his point about the chairman ray voters but that could be meaningless if it was town/town wagons. Votes everywhere for D1. I'll see what VCA says about this situation. Tentative town. Notes: See Mocsta Stream of consciousness. Like him for town right now. Mattchew - worked under the pressure, still feel okay about my town read on him. Notes: Yamato vote wtf. not a fan of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19805556 buddy yamato after voting him the day before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19837863 ignoring the pre-game is pretty much modus operandi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19841268 BONUS: making excuses for lack of participation pre-game sucks period, he's got a hard-on for painting marv as scum i think something that could be hit or miss but damn, post-flip justification just makes me squirm about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4095 Downgrading to scummy but not the scummiest. Umasi - something about voting lonemeow in the chaos, was on sentinel before that. hrm. Null leaning scum. Notes: Avoids the Cray train by voting for Sentinel Self-conscious posting?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19810587 MIA N1 for the most part. Landed in the middle of my sorted VCA thing. Not a high priority. Could even be wrong on this one. Nullo for now, then. JAT - likely town Notes: Like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812866 Went all proactive after I took his license. Likey. Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll Notes: Just too fucking crazy. Town or bust. 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On September 26 2013 20:26 marvellosity wrote: 2 points? I don't know what that means! But it's more than everyone else. Eat that, scum. :x negative is bad, it's like football, not golf they are OObjectivepoints | ||
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On September 26 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I make a list too: marv everyone else APPEAL TO EGO CLEARLY SCUM Do you agree with my top 6 choices for scum or have thoughts on them or would you like to join them? | ||
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On September 26 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: By the way, OO - Pandain is capable of lots of trolly, fun, lighthearted comments as mafia. So meh. he could still well be mafia in my eyes. Noted and quoted | ||
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On September 26 2013 20:35 Stutters695 wrote: I Just woke up. So if your points meant anything of value, wouldn't that mean your top scum read would be VE/CC/geript? Giving it points seems kinda like a waste of time As the days pass they increase in significance as the voting thread grows. They're more effective on day 5 than day 2 but an 8 point spread is pretty informative. Also, it caught 2/3 mafia at lylo in Carnival (except Kush went AFK with a vote on town so it never got used, lol, Instant majority is fun) The longer I live the more accurate it's going to get. Think of them as guideposts. Also I think you're scum so why am I even explaining this to you. | ||
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On September 27 2013 21:45 iamperfection wrote: Everyone give a read on me this is a mandatory assignment. Coag is excused If you can tell me why your quick cheesecake town read is bad from the LM aftermath, I will respond. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:47 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think its bad Just as likely he was covering his own ass from a mafia POV as investigating from a town POV, IMO. It's a wash of a tell. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ##Vote: Cephiro Can't decide of Mocsta is just very bad at reading me, or mafia. Mocsta makes these giant long huge posts... super dedicated. Prolly town, had a town read on him most of this game really. Considering LM's flip, Stutters looks pretty awful now. D1 he looked townier than he usually does but now I could lynch him. You have a town read on Mocsta and myself. VE has a scum read on the two of us. What is the long version of your opinion on VE? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Weird. More likely scum than some others. I figured town CC would say "scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum" Still not your biggest fan. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: OO have you even read one of my town games? We already had the analog to this discussion on D1 when you schooled me a bit on your scum meta which was somewhat informative despite having been scum with you. You are aware of it, you could certainly make effort to change your style and habits. The thought crossed my mind that there is the possibility the entire scum team is trying to do something like not match either their town or scum meta, especially in a game with Marv. Is it a stretch? Possibly. It's a good explanation for why Day 3 is dead as fuck now that Marv was shot, too. Raynstradamus with this flashback to D1: On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne. | ||
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On September 27 2013 09:06 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, there's a couple of things that point to him being town his general wtf-ness about the night 1 kills. seems hard to fake his catch on Matt's line about protecting WoS. That's pretty attentive actually so meh The catch was that he pointed out Mattchew called for protection on WoS who was shot that night. Marv said this made him "attentive" but I'm thinking more along the lines of "sensitive". Huge non-factor, less than a 1 page filter in a game approaching 300 pages. WTF-factor is that he was confused about night actions. Not reading the thread? Behind? What's going on with this one. I feel hate rising up inside of me. Risen: hold me. Decon, spill your guts as if you were going to be lynched. It sucks that I have to prod you for this but when your last post is So by 'people' you mean you and Cheesecake? Neither of you said anything worthy of a response tbh. If you had actually read my post properly you would have had the answers to your questions. and very little of meaning scattered throughout the rest of your filter, it's time to lay it out for us. The whole story. Your take on the game. A nice set of scum reads. Pretend I have a gun. | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:22 FirmTofu wrote: Will be back later. I need to post in my other game. Cool story bro. 3 scum reads that aren't geript or umasi. Go. | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:15 geript wrote: You're here answer my questions. You came back with this: Why does he have to be lynched? Why are you sad about it? Why do you care more about "punishing play" right now than actually you know winning the game and convincing people that you want to lynch scum and that the person who you're pushing is scum. WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY AT ALL EXCEPT FOR ME TALKING ABOUT HOW FUCKING SCUMMY RISEN IS???????????? Nobody wants to take you seriously because of your first days in the game. So we just accept that you're probably town and ignore your posts. | ||
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On September 29 2013 14:22 Umasi wrote: Because if mocsta is town, what he did is basically inexcusable, and needs to be punished. If he's mafia, A: we caught mafia and B: the ridiculous behavior is punished. my question for you, general masses, is IS THERE A COMPELLING REASON TO NOT VOTE FOR MOCSTA? 'there are some reasons he is townie, and he isn't 100% scum...' is an incorrect answer, btw. Punishment is doled out in the post game. Lynch mafia. | ||
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On September 29 2013 15:37 Umasi wrote: Alright. I'll spell it out, I guess. There was a two hour and twenty minute gap between kitas last appearance in thread, and OOs mention of him. is that not in the least strange? Does it help if you know that I just woke up? You really have nothing better to make a big deal out of? Lol this guy. | ||
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On September 29 2013 15:50 Umasi wrote: k, guess I should stop talking about things I think are noteworthy/out of place/scummy, since the result was overwhelmingly 'wow you're an idiot' truly lurking is the best way for me to play. If anyone wants to know why I'm voting for mocsta, or why they should vote mocsta, feel free to ask, If anyone thinks it's a bad idea, you're wrong. aside from that, I'm lurking aside from voting him once the day starts. Rather lynch this right here. 5 mafia left Has 1 read Won't participate Scum | ||
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On September 29 2013 16:12 Koshi wrote: That first message was directed at OO btw. I know, I'm not scum, silly! Oh you meant for the casual observer who would take your post out of context and use it against you, yeah in that case it's a good idea to point it out. Can't lynch Mocsta because I think he's town. Maybe I need to go delve into his meta and voice and such to get a stronger read and potentially 'fix' it if he's mafia, but that's not necessary yet because we're not lynching Mocsta tomorrow. We're lynching VE tomorrow. | ||
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On September 29 2013 16:21 Koshi wrote: Look. Mocsta saved scum. Mocsta had a shit start. Mocsta made 3 cases on silly targets. Town Mocsta is quite awesome and makes 29 cases. It's Koshi guarantee scum. (Thats not marv guarantee level) A lot of people saved scum that day. A lot of people had a shit start or have gone to shit. Which three specific cases are you referring to? Town Mocsta is far from awesome. It's the Obvious law of averages. Your experience with him in game is that he's very good? My anecdotal experience is that he destroys towns as town. | ||
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On September 29 2013 17:01 geript wrote: Not that anyone will listen to me, but risen has been pandering to the flavor of the day forever. Just shoot him and be done with it already. I SUDDENLY FEEL THE URGE TO NOT IGNORE GERIPT ANYMORE | ||
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Welcome to Grumpy University Debate Team I'm right. You're wrong. Debate over. Lynch VE | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote: I don't know you are town, silly. I say it is logical because hosts aren't going to replace a scummer on N3 in this game. Hosts don't fuck with games by selectively replacing town or scum. If they did they wouldn't be allowed to host for long. Replacing or attempting to is a neutral affair. Your argument is just dumb. | ||
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STOP THAT THIS INSTANT. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rIMVRD7.jpg) | ||
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On October 01 2013 07:35 Pandain wrote: OO who do you think is town and scum. I'm with you on stutters. This VE fiasco is so fucked so I guess we find out soon? My gut radar may finally no longer be of any use if he's town. Rayn is too quiet for my taste this late in the game. Could mean he's town or he's scum and we are mislynching. See above. Town on CC again after being unsettled yesterday. Mattchew still on my radar for scum. He's capable of more. I remember him being more useful in fruity although that's subjective memory. He was gone for the first day for family reasons and the game ended on D2 so it's not the greatest example. Koshi pissing me off with his thinking that he will get Rayn lynched by repeating himself over and over. Not sure how I feel about him but spite voting is tempting. Where the fuck is FT? Scum in my book. Risen I'm half joking about today. Haven't looked at him since N2 or so. Reaction fishing got him to bargain with me for lynching and I associate that reaction with scum, though I have done it as town. | ||
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Oh you meant the one from VE Then just motherfucker. Yeah Mattchew died and was town? He was shot? Thxscum. You would think I would know that and remember that if I had some sort of communication system from which to verify who mafia killed. | ||
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On October 01 2013 10:39 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Wow I didn't even know Rayn had voted for VE, but there's his vote clear as day. 4 people who need to be dead before anyone else Mocsta, Mr. CC, OO, Rayn Tell us why Rayn, plzkthx haven't mentioned him since D1 figured I would get teh updatez | ||
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Risen does it look like rayn is going out of his way to interact / cast doubt on his teammates if your list is correct? | ||
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On October 01 2013 11:37 Risen wrote: I don't even know what rayn has done this game, but I don't know. He's perfectly capable of bussing if that's what you're asking. Looks like this is his most recent scum team: On September 28 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: cc iamp stutters cephiro pandabearguy VE. A couple of other contenders if i am wrong on someone. On October 01 2013 10:39 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Wow I didn't even know Rayn had voted for VE, but there's his vote clear as day. 4 people who need to be dead before anyone else Mocsta, Mr. CC, OO, Rayn So he's having a shit game or protecting his teammates because there's been no really strong need to bus. Before that, on D3, he had this list: On September 27 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is sco fucked up. From these people: VE Mr.CC Mocsta Koshi FT Pandain Stutters Sentinel geript Mattchew ...if you find yourself in that list, shape the fuck up and start playing instead of fucking bullshit. Lynch Cephiro on D3. Not a scum list, but a shit list. Bolded the shared reads you have (only one in the scum reads category, Mr CC who I think is town) and colored the flips we have. Stutters isn't in your scum list, Risen. He's in mine. He's in Rayn's. Does he belong in yours? You're short one. | ||
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On October 01 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Lynch Stutters/FT/iamp/Sentinel/Mr.CC Revised scumlist accounting for the possiblity of a retarded town Mocsta. Pandain could also be scum, but I'm reserving my judgement on him for a time when I'm not seething with hatred for him right now. It should pass by the day post tomorrow, hopefully. Huh. Anyone want to take bets that this is at least 3/5 right? I take Grokbux. So many people have CC as scum. I really don't want to lynch him unless I'm absolutely sure he's mafia, and he's not jolly AT ALL recently so I feel he is distressed about game circumstances which lends me to believe he's town. The rest I could potentially do, starting with Stutters. I re-read the case on iamp and he makes a good point, iamp didn't do his townie push-the-better-lynch thing and essentially helped saved Cephiro. Capitalized on Mocsta's fake claim and came out looking less bad than Mocsta, thus being under less pressure. | ||
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Day1: Chairman Ray Day2: Umasi Day3: geript ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LUja1Fa.png) | ||
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Also weird about Risen, he doesn't know/remember that someone wanted to lynch him yesterday? Where is your reaction to FT wanting to lynch you yesterday? Not finding it in your filter with control+F. | ||
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On October 01 2013 12:42 kitaman27 wrote: Also, I have no idea what you're saying OO I think I'm saying lynch FT for great justice. Yes. Yes, it shall be done. ##unvote: Stuttersguy ##vote: FirmTofu | ||
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People who aren't really utilizing their vote powers [aka voting the minimum, not using their "powers"]: - Stutters (3 votes over 3 days) - S&B (3 votes over 3 days but did not vote on day 3) - iamperfection (2 votes over 3 days, day 1 had no vote before replacing in) If any of the above demonstrate a lot of uncertainty about where their vote is placed, that might be cause for concern. Uncertainty but not moving their vote and shit reasons for staying = dig deeper. People with better-than-good voting records [arguably could be too perfect]: - Risen votes: 1: vayne cephiro | 2: firmtofu | 3: Cephiro - JAT: 1: firmtofu mattchew | 2: cephiro | 3: cephiro Paying a ton of attention or working with inside knowledge. Did they campaign for their lynches of choice or did they simply vote? Was their reasoning sound? "Too perfect" is how I used VCA to catch out geript after I had died in LXI. It's not out of the question. Firm flipping red will make these even more "perfect". Willy-nilly voters [More than half of their votes on confirmed town]: - FirmTofu - Mr. Cheesecake - Mocsta - Pandain Careless of image, or carefully crafting one? + Show Spoiler [objective voting rated ascending] + 10: FirmTofu -1.00 13: Mr. Cheesecake -0.57 30: Mocsta -0.57 11: Pandain -0.56 16: Stutters695 -0.33 06: kushm4sta Kitaman27 -0.25 08: ObviousOne -0.20 19: [UoN]Sentinel -0.14 02: raynpelikoneet -0.10 01: DarthPunk strongandbig 0.00 07: Koshi 0.00 14: Xzavier Decondou 0.00 15: Coagulation 0.00 17: Onegu iamperfection 0.00 23: Risen 0.25 29: justanothertownie 0.25 | ||
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He was in my scum list N2 or whenever I recapped the whole game. Nothing made me change my mind, so yeah. Do eet. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:07 kitaman27 wrote: Wait what? Are we seriously doing another last hour bandwagon? Hell motherfucking yes. | ||
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there's my case. let's do this. Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed. | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote: if kita isnt town this game is already lost and we will have an even longer talk with the hosts than we originally planned. bans for the ban gods | ||
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NO NO WAIT LET ME UNVOTE I DON'T WANT YOU TO CALL ME SCUM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's ok. it really is. i forgive you. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WgoRLKp.png) 3 red scum, 3 orange pick 2 for scum #yolo | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:42 Mocsta wrote: Oo is scum yo Yes, I am scum. Definitely. I'm scum, guys! | ||
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Or do you mean why are you green instead of white? Because I colored all the cells with names based on my view of where we're at. Is it right? Fucked if I know. It looks like we're in defeatist mode here from several people who just want to end the game (I'm right there with them but I'm not plaguing the thread with my own misery because it's not fucking helpful). Never mind that the BM is rampant and people keep "putting others in their place" which just makes for an environment that isn't conducive to a fun game (Pandain, Risen, JAT, for instance, fuck you guys for that shit and if you're scum you can enjoy the same never-play-in-games-with-me again as well.) I want out just as bad as everyone else at this point. I just begged to be shot. Luckily for me I'm apparently suspicious enough to run a mislynch on (and someone can explain that to me because that's fucking nebulous. If you think my filter can reach this length when I play as mafia you're high) so I will not be shot. My VCA isn't netting me much data because we're lynching new people every day outside of Cephiro. So to finally answer your question, you have to be town because I cannot reconcile that level of attention-grabbing stupid behavior on a mafia vs. town lynch (whereas a town versus town lynch or a scum versus scum lynch I might see it differently) and if that IS the case then I hope you go straight to hell, as well. | ||
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This is a friendly reminder that everything up to the Iamperfection lynch is what matters for analysis. Look for D2 and D4 patterns. I'll try to have a few reflections on what my VCA shows before I pass out. Notable mentions are that coag stays true to his town self with an arguably objectively bad voting record, and that risen voted 10 unique times on D4. I'm not actually looking at it right now, so this is from memory. FT seems to have crumbled under the pressure and bussed today with his vote. The stutters lynch seems to have been the "bone" from the mafia team today as the pressure mounts to not look scummy based on voting patterns. If decon isn't vigged auto-lynch him tomorrow. Find the scum between the orange names in my prior list. I predict Koshi will ride Rayn's dick like he has since the beginning of time. Marv didn't think it was a hard double bus shit-fest so I bow to his wisdom on that and I prefer Koshi for town of the two. Auto-lynch decon D5 Auto-lynch stutters D6 FT's clinical voice aggravates the shit out of me and the only thing holding me back from saying auto-lynch him next is that I find his style of deflection repulsive but not necessarily indicative of scum. Dig deeper. It's in your hands. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MwtAECb.png) Sentinel voting pattern doesn't make sense for someone who isn't going to participate much in the late game, based on my interpretation of the game state. Either the game he is running is taking up too much of his time or he has IRL things to attend to, it doesn't matter, I suppose. Some of my town reads have a town read on Sentinel so maybe I'd defer to their wisdom. How the NKs play out tonight is going to help a ton, assuming I survive to tomorrow. Votes of interest from glancing at it: Risen sticking with FT on D2. JAT's vote on Iamperfection (as compared to his other votes, was the method different? it's his only "bad" vote) SNB would be interesting if he had owned the slot since D1. Not sure how to treat that. Nobody who voted for FT D1 at the end of the day is a stand-out scum read for me. Scum had no true reason to bus on D1 given no flips. Helps affirm my reads on those players. | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:12 Mocsta wrote: Did anyone play with OO in the game he supposedly caught Geript as scum, with his VCA? I want to know specifically, whether he did anything more than VCA? I was dead at that point Mocsta. So no, that would not be possible. | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:12 Mocsta wrote: Did anyone play with OO in the game he supposedly caught Geript as scum, with his VCA? I want to know specifically, whether he did anything more than VCA? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ama7_Mcwk4rOdGhHaEFENGVBT0VZOTEydFJSR1pOcnc&usp=drive_web#gid=2 | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:26 Mocsta wrote: So in that game did you actually scum hunt? Cso this game you have hid behind VCA the entire time. sigh, i dont even know why im asking questions. Fuck thsi shit. peace out. lol | ||
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On October 03 2013 08:04 Mocsta wrote: u mean the post where u call me town for personal reasons? lololool and then substantiate the post by talking about BM. the #s on the VCA don't even make sense, and the outcome is not consistent with the # score. for me, the only thing u have going for u is the night 1 rb, and u asked us to ignore that. so I'm left with nothing. I.e, zero scum hunting I struggle to find the patience to discuss anything at all with you. If this post is completely devoid of any indication of scum hunting whatsoever then feel free to vote me tomorrow or whatever, it's (y)our funeral. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19844381 Darthpunk / SNB slot - town Notes: dp thinks geript is scum for early garbage. rayn disagrees with dp's assessment that geripts argument changed. dp says wos won't die night 1 this game. what assumptions about the gamestate does he make? town reads for the percieved strong players? does the fact that no strong players were shot successfully mean that the scum team is hiding among them or did the mafia team just want to ensure shots went through? this slot definitely town based on dp alone. Rayn - Nostradamus, also town: On September 22 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne. notes: koshi read is unsure, reflects more on koshi? need to compare with reverse read interesting defense of VA, feels good http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19808565 - super townie feels here Strange miscommunication with Koshi RE: Vayne vote, didn't understand it was pressure? I feel like I should be on the scum side of the spectrum from feels. Yamato - town notes: saved by lynched medic, god help us if there isn't another one Kush - I have him as town, info's already in my filter for that. You can disagree if you want. notes: not calling enough people scum to be scum. vote history is useless have to go by filter alone i guess? LOL: On September 22 2013 02:05 kushm4sta wrote: are you serious right now stutters.... is this a plynch? a plynch from someone who gets modkilled every game for inactivity? On September 25 2013 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i stopped reading after the underline lol can't lynch this guy, too funny. Koshi - whole thought process seems to be in the thread, probably town. notes: soooooo many oneliners soooooo many votes On September 22 2013 03:23 Koshi wrote: Yamato totes town. Docs should note down his name on a piece of paper and glue it above their bed. trending towards scum read on rayn by the end of d1 On September 23 2013 22:16 Koshi wrote: Please tell me why exactly you wrote this sentence. Anyone? Anyone see how this might be bad news for Koshi? Maybe? I think it's the worst thing in his filter so if it's nothing then he's probably town. The rayn<->koshi dynamic is fucking weird. That's a super long bus if they're both scum, rayn shouted much of d1 away at koshi. Weak attempt at diverting the LM lynch, ends day with vote on Cephiro. FirmTofu - a re-read of his filter yesterday made me think town. Response to my idea to meta seemed townie, marv confirmed to be genuine. Probably town. Linked to Cephiro if Cephiro is scum, take a look for something like that. Notes: Sentinel case is pretty good Response to concept of reading his meta pretty good. Going to say town more than scum. Pandain - weird suspicions to start, on CC and OO. Quasi-defense of geript. Attack on sentinel. interesting thoughts on Stutters. On September 26 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb. Town Notes: Just fucking 100% town Cephiro - scum. He's the lynch tomorrow. Do it. If he's not shot he needs to be lynched. Notes: none required Mr. Cheesecake - seems intent on keeping me on my toes for his alignment. It's weird. Null then, bbcakes. Notes: Deserves special special attention. Vote analysis tells me he's tied for worst player in the thread. Intentional or not? Pandain vote is pretty much OMGUS, 180s based on Sentinel pressure from Pandain. If he's mafia then his bussing is starting late (think Decon) and his team is probably partly inactive. After LM lynch: On September 26 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm done. Can't stop thinking this in my head as "my work here is done /flex" Deconduo slot - lynch this tomorrow, too. Notes: he's scum On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote: decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed. Coag - town duh Notes: Had a gun Stutters - lynch this as well. Notes: On September 26 2013 10:11 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys I've lost all desire to play with this cold. I'm getting over it now so I'll be reading up tomorrow and getting back into it. Lone meow hasn't changed anything from when I said he should be lynched so he's still my vote. No need to play when the town is capable of pulling itself off course. 2 votes, 2 lonemeows iamperfection - ??? Notes: summary post on entry good, aligns with brain for the most part lol @ LM lynch =[ Nullo. Malongo slot - hopefully dies tonight Notes: error, player not found Sentinel - Lynch this as well. On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance. Better than yamato I guess. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Notes: Temporary vote on stutters who i have as mafia, votes for marv's meta prod, unvotes and hits umasi next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19811401 reading this post again makes me want to forget I ever unvoted him. THIRD SCUM READ because other two are boring? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812073 - this is in response to my question but doesn't answer it specifically. "yamato has more to show" wat? pressure the guy who is already talking? Backs down to yamato when yamato threatens the wrath of Yamato Cannon Look for references to Cephiro in his filter, suspicion but never pushed with any conviction. I just wanna lynch it. Also some kind of self-consciousness going on with keeping us up to date with his IRL situation. VE - firmly uncomfortably null. You pick. (Gut was town, must be scum.) Notes: Every vote of his is subjectively or objectively shitty except for geript and cephiro and neither of those is where his vote landed at the end of either day. His VCA looked VERY similar to this (my method is secret and patented btw) in Carnival and was how I finally caught him. 20: VisceraEyes -6 darthpunk yamato visceraeyes firmtofu mattchew lonemeow cephiro lonemeow geript lonemeow Geript - an angry null. Was all in on a town read for Mocsta. On September 23 2013 20:05 geript wrote: So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that? Okay, maybe town. Maybe. Notes: Dislike him voting for Marv and peacing out for D2 lynch. Hiding in plain sight comes to mind. Just abrasive enough to have your attention, just MIA enough to be forgotten. Call me biased, but more scummy than null for me. Risen - I like him for some reason. Filter is short and sweet and he agrees with me on Sent at the time Notes: Also probably not scum, unless he's reveling in the fact that town is doing poorly in the thread which is in bad taste and probably not something scum would do. BOD town Marv - hoping town, big filter, many word. Notes: Ended up tied for "best" in my VCA (with DP/SNB) GREEEEEEEN Zaragon - hrm. Like his point about the chairman ray voters but that could be meaningless if it was town/town wagons. Votes everywhere for D1. I'll see what VCA says about this situation. Tentative town. Notes: See Mocsta Stream of consciousness. Like him for town right now. Mattchew - worked under the pressure, still feel okay about my town read on him. Notes: Yamato vote wtf. not a fan of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19805556 buddy yamato after voting him the day before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19837863 ignoring the pre-game is pretty much modus operandi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19841268 BONUS: making excuses for lack of participation pre-game sucks period, he's got a hard-on for painting marv as scum i think something that could be hit or miss but damn, post-flip justification just makes me squirm about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4095 Downgrading to scummy but not the scummiest. Umasi - something about voting lonemeow in the chaos, was on sentinel before that. hrm. Null leaning scum. Notes: Avoids the Cray train by voting for Sentinel Self-conscious posting?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19810587 MIA N1 for the most part. Landed in the middle of my sorted VCA thing. Not a high priority. Could even be wrong on this one. Nullo for now, then. JAT - likely town Notes: Like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19812866 Went all proactive after I took his license. Likey. Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll Notes: Just too fucking crazy. Town or bust. Plus I don't want to read his madness again right now rofl. | ||
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If you disregarded it because each is short, lol Your approach and my approach are completely different. Most prefer the "treat the symptoms" method, which works fantastically in small games. I'm attempting to find the CURE, aka, solve the puzzle, aka, piece together the scum team as a whole. Is my approach bad? I don't care if you think it's bad. I really, honestly don't care what you think Mocsta, because I dislike you. I extend the courtesy of not being a douche-canoe towards you in game because it's the proper thing to do to. But don't think for a second that because I'm trying something new / different / foreign to you that it is somehow inferior or ineffective when you haven't seen how it turns out. We will find out if it's effective when the game ends, won't we? Do it live. Get Rekt. | ||
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That case from Kita with the pic at the top should have set off alarm bells to me. Oh well. | ||
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On October 05 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote: gg scum town Mocsta etc Nearing 15k. How will you celebrate? | ||
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On October 06 2013 19:33 Clarity_nl wrote: For someone that hasn't read this 300 page game, can someone give a 5 line tl;dr version? The town in this game was quite bad We lynched both doctors, so sad With so very much lurk The mafia could twerk Around in the thread like Jihad | ||
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I really just don't like big games. My VCA was pretty useless given how the flips went but I'll probably keep doing it / modifying it til it works for me Don't ignore Marv Take away for others: Find out what got you mislynched and don't do that anymore Don't fake claim as town More manner | ||
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On October 08 2013 21:50 iVLosK! wrote: I had hoped including a line about his mothers feet might tip someone off that it was a joke... The only joke allowed in this thread is me OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! SNAP. wait, what? | ||
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