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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#3053
On September 25 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:41 ObviousOne wrote:
This is the first time ever I think I've been able to say this with 100% confidence.

Kush is town.

Omg

I feel dirty.


you're gonna have to explain this good for me.

Hurndall3 smurf mini (might have to double check the spreadsheet at the end in GMarshal post)
It's the same Kush
Kush unplugged


This is nowhere near good enough, OO.

"he was uninvolved one other time as town so I am 100% he is town here" is not right.

And yes I followed Smurf in detail so it's not like you're referencing something I didn't see.

This goose is happy with his answer for today.

Tough shit, I guess.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:52 GMT
#3058
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.

Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.

You're welcome.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 21:57 GMT
#3065
On September 25 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.

Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.

You're welcome.


this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.

You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 22:03 GMT
#3071
On September 25 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 06:57 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.

Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.

You're welcome.


this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.

You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.


Did kush make a random case on some random dude in Smurf and then peace out?

I don't remember him doing that. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

He basically has no idea what is going on whatsoever in this game (deadline, kp, all the basic shit in the OP) -- same.
Short and sweet heuristic reads (a la Coag) betraying his lazy nature -- same
Jokes and general fucking around -- he expressed he wanted to really strongly, and some did leak in that game
The only thing that's really different on a basic level is his neurotic obsession with "meta-ing" people. -- he said he was trying something new, BOD

"A random case on a random dude and poof" is too specific to the circumstances of one game and you know that.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 22:08 GMT
#3076
On September 25 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 07:03 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:57 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
Fine OO, but don't expect anyone to take your read seriously if that's what it's based on.

Trying to solve the game before end of night. You can use my filter for reference when I get shot.

You're welcome.


this means nothing, because in your filter will be the same ass reasoning that i don't believe anyway.

You can explain why kush is suspicious then, in three sentences if you want. We can have a mini-war where we try to translate information from brain to thread in as few words as possible until we're grunting at each-other and wow this just got really erotic.


Did kush make a random case on some random dude in Smurf and then peace out?

I don't remember him doing that. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

He basically has no idea what is going on whatsoever in this game (deadline, kp, all the basic shit in the OP) -- same.
Short and sweet heuristic reads (a la Coag) betraying his lazy nature -- same
Jokes and general fucking around -- he expressed he wanted to really strongly, and some did leak in that game
The only thing that's really different on a basic level is his neurotic obsession with "meta-ing" people. -- he said he was trying something new, BOD

"A random case on a random dude and poof" is too specific to the circumstances of one game and you know that.


No, it's actually tremendously important.

If he has no idea what's going on and he's kinda playing as you describe, it seems incredibly unlikely he'll just alight on some random dude and make a case on him and vote for him.

The two don't go together.

He's a dog chasing cars, Marv. Maybe he's the Joker and he's playing me, but his chaotic is chaotic lawful IMHO. So I suppose we'll disagree but now you have the whole thing as I see it.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 23:02 GMT
#3106
On September 25 2013 08:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are making yourself incredibly hard to read by doing this. EVERYONE DON'T FUCKING POST IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE FULL THREAD!


are you fukcing kidding me with this

Did you meta-own Cephiro and Stutters yet?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 00:02 GMT
#3140
On September 25 2013 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
The case was fine like I said. But a good case does not necessarily mean the target is mafia.

Your reactive license has just been revoked.

Proactive or gallows. Choose your adventure.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:07 GMT
#3558
On September 26 2013 02:45 Pandain wrote:
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On September 26 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Pandain is a decent lynch. His case on me D1 was very wrong and misconstrued many posts to paint me as suspicious. He has a case on Sentinel D1, and D2 he puts more suspicion on Sentinel then says he is hesitant to lynch him in the same post... He wants to kill Stutters too but I haven't see much of that. Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town".

Ceph is just a lurker lynch, which is cool.

I'll vote Pandain for great justice!

##Vote: Pandain


This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset.

If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post.

People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote.

My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options.

I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad.

I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t

I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town.
I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two
Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter.

If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions.

There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning.

For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town.


Still reading

But

Where did I vote coag? If I did I am an idiot. If you're lying your read is fake. Wow.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:09 GMT
#3560
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Panda is probably a bad lynch.

Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.

It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T

And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:11 GMT
#3567
On September 26 2013 04:25 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 04:18 LoneMeow wrote:
Between Cephiro and FirmTofu I'd prefer to lynch FirmTofu. I'll try to be back before deadline but as I'm not even sure anymore when it is, no guarantees.

##Vote: FirmTofu

I would lynch this

Unvoting Matt for this

Voting lonemeow for this.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:15 GMT
#3574
On September 26 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
As far as I know, the lynch was never limited to Cephiro and FT. Sentinel is still an option, I'm now on the table for some, but for some reason LM chose FT between FT and Cephiro.

Thanks for writing out my reasoning for me VE
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:18 GMT
#3585
On September 26 2013 06:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 06:09 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Panda is probably a bad lynch.

Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.

It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T

And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck


Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?

I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:24 GMT
#3601
On September 26 2013 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 06:18 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:09 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Panda is probably a bad lynch.

Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.

It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T

And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck


Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?

I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol


You were shittastic, that is besides the point. My point is that most of the team lurked and was useless in the grand scheme of things. Felkyr, you, randombum, coag... austin day 1-2 and 'till the end of 3, 'slam who was obv mafia but nobody lynched him because he was an easy target. Only clarity was a town influence, and myself to a certain extent. Austin in the latter part.

Oh shit that's right there were 7 of us in that game. I channeled my rage at you. Sorry. You want some coffee and a German cookie?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:30 GMT
#3615
On September 26 2013 06:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 06:24 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:18 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On September 26 2013 06:09 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 26 2013 02:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Panda is probably a bad lynch.

Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.

It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T

And in light of previous why are you making shit up about last game and also defending the guy making shit up about me? Fuck


Wtf OO? What did I make up about the last game?

I was the shittastic teammate last game. Everyone else was good. Lol


You were shittastic, that is besides the point. My point is that most of the team lurked and was useless in the grand scheme of things. Felkyr, you, randombum, coag... austin day 1-2 and 'till the end of 3, 'slam who was obv mafia but nobody lynched him because he was an easy target. Only clarity was a town influence, and myself to a certain extent. Austin in the latter part.

Oh shit that's right there were 7 of us in that game. I channeled my rage at you. Sorry. You want some coffee and a German cookie?


8.German cookie sounds good. I'm mad at Pandain for shittastic cases on both of us too, but does that make him scum necessarily?

Lol 8 fuck i need this coffee brewing.

Can't remember which of Pandain or cephiro did what tbh. Actually cephiro was in aperture so I should see how his play meshes up with that. Could be a good lead! Thx!
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#3627
Is Koshi always such a whiner?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:44 GMT
#3641
Spite spite spite spite!
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 21:56 GMT
#3660
On September 26 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhhhhhhhh.....uuhhhhhhhhh......

That's.......not townlike from marv.

Mafia Marv would be abusing the chaos. He's town.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 22:19 GMT
#3675
Holy shit massive difference in thread presence for Ceph between this game and last, and it's not just filter length.

His scum reads are literally the easiest things in the world for either alignment. Not seeing an attempt to prove he's town.

I see questions but not a lot of accusations.

Also this promise was never fulfilled, so his easy reads are his only reads:
On September 26 2013 05:25 Cephiro wrote:
Well there have definitely been some interesting reactions among certain individuals. However, here is my opinion on who should be lynched today:

kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag.

justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff.

He also brings this up a lot:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.

Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta.
Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book.


Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town.

That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline.

Was going to mention his use of color but his filter in this game isn't engaged enough for him to really have discussed his scum reads at length and to beg us to lynch / kill them. The engagement is the biggest thing for me. It's harder to post when mafia and I know that's a tell very specific to me but I can't be the only one with it.

Fuck. Is there a round-up of suspicions on Cephiro outside of what has been recently discussed?

Does he ever say anyone is TOWN in this game? I don't see that, either.

On May 29 2013 19:46 Baker1986 wrote:
"ECCLESTONCEPHIRO MAKE TROUBLE, YOU ALL BAD, OO BAD, WHY BAD?"

Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#3677
On September 26 2013 07:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
It's easier to post as mafia, for me anyway O.o

Because you bus like a boss you fucking bussing busser. Easier to post when you know you're right, is it?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 25 2013 22:24 GMT
#3679
Just like KUSH
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