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On September 25 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote: I'm not going to talk about this much more, but I'll say this, and hope you get me I, or anyone, shouldn't have to ask for your opinion; by default I want to hear what everyone has to say on a substantial case. Generally speaking, making reads on a player is much easier if you can read through and follow their thought process and see how you feel about that. It doesn't even necessarily matter if your final conclusion isn't decisive either way, as long as we can see how and why you got there. There's a player called fuba who I introduced to mafia, and he's not a heavy poster at all. He's told me several times that often he finds it hard to post, even though he spends hours reading the game, because he's not sure. I told him the same, just post what you're thinking about things so that we can see your thought process. I got a scumread on him in Les Mis (that i kinda forgot somehow) because his posts were much more dense and obfuscate-y than normal, I couldn't follow his thought process very well. Of course I get what you mean but saying " just post what you are thinking" doesn't make it easier. And yes, I spent about 6 hours thinking about this game today. | ||
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On September 25 2013 09:56 iamperfection wrote: you can comment on my big post in a bit A bit you say? I guess I am staying up then... | ||
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On September 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote: my definition of a bit is an hour or two A bit you say? I guess I am going to sleep then... Tomorrow will be the first day in months I really have free time and no urgent things to do so I will be able to put a bit more effort into this now that OO took my license... | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Justanothertownie: Thanks for the Titanic compilation, that was what i was supposed to look for today. Remember my read on JAT earlier? It was "angry". It's the odd feeling i got from him in comparsion to Titanic (yeah i thought at some point he was scum in Titanic, but i had never played with him before that). You are right marv, he is very different here in comparsion to this game. Things i especially don't like: 1) His repeatedly saying "if you got questions to me, go ahead and ask". This does not necessarily make him scum but he's not being proactive, and in Titanic he was proactive. 2) His comeback in thread on D2. First there is this: Whe he has caught up this is ALL he has to say: Stupid comment to Risen. Doesn't seem right to me.. 1) I don't get how it makes me scum to urge people to ask me questions. 2) The comment to Risen was while I was catching up if I remember that correctly and what the hell is dumb about it? Explain. 3) So, what's scum about me noting there was total silence in the thread? Response to marv comes next... | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is you did not play horribly in Titanic. Compared to this game your play in Titanic was far better. Well I got only negative opinions about my play right there and people scolded me for my Day1 behaviour for the whole game and afterwards. I especially think it is weird that you of all people think I played well there when during the game I got a very different feeling until the last Day. | ||
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On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownie Going to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler + Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic Mafia Is justanothertownie a suspicious little townie? On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: So this is not serious at all? Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote: Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote: Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: fml... I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: But to answer your question: gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is. TL Mafia LXII is jat a suspicious little townie? On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: Hi guys... Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum? Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote: I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it. jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either. My first post in titanic was a scumread. It was a really bad one and I got a shitload of flak for it. The same goes for my scumread on hz. Basically I was so totally wrong in this game (apart from my scumread on FT) it hurts. I played like shit. That's the reason I changed my play for my next games (newbie game, which you so conveniently left out of your analysis and this one). I have an easy time defending myself and I often get the feeling the person accusing me is scum (be it right or wrong) so if there is someone like that I will naturally be more proactive in the game. You can see that in titanic with oats and FT. In this game nobody made a noteworthy case about me up until this post (Kushs go at it is just pathetic). | ||
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On September 25 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote: By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you. I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today. Well, I will always defend myself against a push like that (I mean it's not only you, rayn hopped on it instantly - he basically sheeps you all the time right now). Don't care if it pleases you or not. I will be more proactive but I have to leave for a few hours in around 30 minutes so don't expect me to do so before. | ||
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He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead. Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are unable to read my post i can't help you. I pretty clearly explained why i think the things you have done are scummy.. No, just no. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? Your opinion on Koshi isn't the most important point here. I think it's odd you go after him like this because to me he reads rather townie but I could forgive that because you know him better. But you always give people super certain townreads and you don't do this here that way. | ||
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On September 25 2013 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, for people i think are town. I don't think there are many people who are "definitely town" in this game. ObviousOne, yamato, marv, Coag. There is it. Oh yeah and SnB. Ok, I get most of those reads. Why is ObviousOne definitely town? | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:07 Koshi wrote: Ok seems like thread slowed down a bit. Also seems people were just discussing me when I rejoined. Somewhat silly timing. That being said. Rayn is scum. It is obvious. Do I really need to explain it? Really? #vote rayn Yes, explain it if you want my vote. | ||
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