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On September 27 2013 00:41 Koshi wrote:
Oh btw. When catching up this morning I was 50/50 on LM being a doc tbh. But I was 100% certain Mocsta was fake. Did anybody else share that feeling on Mocsta claim? It felt like a scum thing to do or a really obnoxious townie thing rather than a real doc claim.
Some people reacted totally different. Believed Mocsta without considering this. Umasi pops to mind. Any1 else noticed? Didnt reread yet. Just popped in my mind. You guys believed Mocsta?
I considered it, I just realized Mocsta had shat on the carpet at that point no matter what was what, and LM flipping scum was the only chance that we aren't very likely to lose in a new climate where scum can pretty much do anything they want for an entire day. I hoped I had been wrong and playing like crap all game, in essence. Then Mocsta did a turnaround and suddenly sees how towny everything I have done is (after starting a crap wagon on me just before the doc mishaps)
I'm not sure if I've been fooled by my personality read on Mocsta all along and he's been playing dumb at certain moments, and is organized-chaotic scum. I don't think I buy his case on me at the end of the day being real, and he's given no sign it was a town ploy to get a scum reaction (as far as I can see, only skimmed the thread up to date today as yet)
Does Mocsta play dumb, as town or scum? Or is it all recklessness?
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On September 27 2013 01:08 Koshi wrote:Ok, plz reread page 199-200. People that look good to Mocsta claim. Deconduo, VE (both knew that there was something wrong to an extend) People that look like shit to Mocsta claim: CC, Umasi (watching a trainwreck as a spectator) Look at this Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 10:52 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 10:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
HE COULDN'T CLAIM THAT AS SCUM IF HE'S ABOUT TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE IT WOULD OUT YAMATO AS SCUM
RIGHT?! Its real Its why i said hes goign to get shot (or RB'd is prob wiser) in the end, hes completely useless VT now.. it wasnt required. And then CC his reply to this Mocsta message: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or he's trying to out a doctor, and trying to switch the vote onto Cephiro.
FUCK! no mention of yam at ALL in his filter either. FUUUUUUUCK Here CC knows what Mocsta doesn't know, that there is no breadcrumb. Ofc CC isn't as retarded as Mocsta so he just plants the idea in the thread. Mocsta takes this idea and decides to do this: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote:
OK. I DOC'D YAM
everyone, pile onto lonemeow. Like CC should now it is fake, or at least something is funny, but this is how he replies: Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 10:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
LOL IN B4 BOTH DOCS DOCCED YAM LOL The last message is in line with CC his posting this game. Remember when I said scumslip before I went to bed. CC is an arrogant bastard this game that is just commenting this game in scum perspective. Here he does it again. I really wonder if he is scum tbh, because he thinks exactly how a scummer would think. omg 2 blue roles, because they are both not red for sure.
To add:
On September 26 2013 09:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Moc is on the right track. Let's do this shit.
Vote for Dec / Zara / Ceph / LM
DO THIS SHIT
On September 26 2013 10:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Geript voting Zaragon makes me not want to vote Zaragon anymore...
About the vote switch to and off me. CC has never looked very good to me, but I'm still not sure if he's awful town or scum. More scummy than before. His thought processes have looked weak and often spurious to me the entire game.
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Pretty sure Mocsta is scum and Cephiro is the Roleblocker.
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On September 27 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote:
Who was roleblocked?
Trying to knee-jerk a role to come out, throwing himself on the bullet for Cephiro since he's suspicious himself already and expect to get lynched?
Maybe I'm just sleep-deprived, it could definitely be flawed logic. Anyway, see you tomorrow guys
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On September 27 2013 13:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:25 Zaragon wrote:On September 27 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote:
Who was roleblocked? Trying to knee-jerk a role to come out, throwing himself on the bullet for Cephiro since he's suspicious himself already and expect to get lynched? Maybe I'm just sleep-deprived, it could definitely be flawed logic. Anyway, see you tomorrow guys What? ObivousOne was roleblocked yesterday. Surely someone would be RB'd today? Why does asking about an RB suggest I am scum? seriously dude? Let me guess, you were RB'd; and took my question to the thread personally?
Yep I was trying to find a fun way to say it and see if I could get something out of a reaction, but I really am sleep deprived (and on heavy, fun medication) so I'm not sure if it made sense even in theory
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CC has been one of the most consistently scummy people in the game. But Marv pointed out his signature, and considering CC from that perspective, he feels like a coin flip for scum.
Cephiro is an important puzzle piece, as is FT.
FT, you're not reading scum lately, the problem is you can act as pro-town as you like because people have diverted off of you, meaning you can go bussing scum mates or attacking townies as much as you like with your posting pattern (which obfuscates alignment very well, though it's not necessarily scum). And you have gone on the offense at people at points that haven't been critical tipping points for those people, from what I remember.
So I can only transfer my scum read from the critical points earlier. I will say, the people you have chosen to target (besides me, who you could have thought was an easy target to transfer, though thinking back, you did waver on your pressure at a point that made you look a bit too scummy to be your scum play as I've read your meta) have not been easy scum diversions. The problem is, if you want to establish towniness as scum or town, you had to do what you're doing after events day 1.
In essence, we never unknotted the scum reactions in the Chairman Ray case and you are at the center. At this point there are too many scum connections to extrapolate from the FT/Chairman Ray situation and the LoneMeow/Cephiro situation. I simply can't place a town read on you in these circumstances, sorry.
I've filter dived over and over these last couple of days, but whenever I come up with something now, it's conditional based on if scum needed to panic swing your vote, or if Mocsta is scum, or if Cephiro is scum.
Pandain is one person I have started to like most for town (I've decided him trying to prevent the swing from an FT shot N1 overrides any scumminess I've felt about him, and his erratic posting pattern is making sense now for my personality read on him).
Next up going to check if it makes any sense to shift my scum read on VE, he has offered some glints of towniness, even if it's throughout a scummy pattern.
At this point, a Cephiro or FT vote seems the most logical option.
My personality read on Mocsta actually still substantiates him as chaotic town. I have a few moments of the game I would really like to bring up with you, but I prefer if that's for the night phase after we've resolved some severely knotted case like Cephiro or FT. I think we're better off conserving time and attention, and I think town sentiment is on Cephiro right now.
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I don't like this situation either. I have never personally scum read Cephiro, just trusted some confirmed townies' and town read's opinions. But I never expected new information to come out today either, scum just has no motivation to push anywhere whether Cephiro is town or scum. Only FT would need to make himself look towny, Mocsta would need to redeem himself (both things true for either scum or town)
Trouble is, we need to lynch Cephiro, FT or Mocsta after Mocsta's play. Or find a pretty cold case on someone else that is extremely solid (I haven't found this to be true with Stutters, CC or VE, even if I have some degree of scum read on CC, VE and a very slight one on Stutters). The only filters I'm really curious about investigating further at the moment are Geript and Rayn, however. To be honest, mostly to see if they would give enough information to turn the game around if they flip, more than expand on previous scum cases on them.
A lot of outlier cases and possibly scum effective at low profile are just not relevant for this lynch to me.
Risen to me isn't pushing a scum agenda. He argues for what basically needs to happen, and he himself will only come out looking scum or town depending on a flip. To me it's really that simple with him, his play is so straight-forward. A lot of people could be hiding like that if FT and Cephiro are town. But then we have almost no chance of turning this game around.
My priority goes:
1 FT
(Decent scum read, would clear up everything surrounding Chairman Ray vote and just about clear several big scum reads, or solidify several big scum reads)
2 Cephiro
(To go with Marv and Yamato, find a direction on Mocsta and a lot of people in this last vote)
3 Mocsta
Policy, gamble, not sure we get much of anything except small leads spread throughout the game.
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I actually have a hunch on Mocsta I wanted to bring up. It's weak, I hope to add detail to it later. I tried to play it out in a clumsy way about me being Roleblocked. I was thinking Mocsta as scum could very well believe, after what he's seen on me and his big town read on me, that I would come out if I were a role and became roleblocked if he immediately shouted for the roleblock today. It's really weak, it would just substantiate the "playing dumb" interpretation of Mocsta and instead make a few interactions he had with me look like shrewd scum play expecting some of my newbie mistakes and provoking some others (if he's scum, he would be the one to ask for a roleblock on me, but likely not himself the roleblocker--Cephiro probably would be, and Mocsta would be working to get targets on other people and himself. I hope my reasoning wasn't entirely dumb even if it was a shot in the dark.) Mocsta also hinted cops should not trust their checks because of false result possibilities. Could also be an indirect piece of newbie advice directed at me, if I was a role read (also weak)
It would be close to nothing, except I've heard it several times now that Mocsta enjoys playing scum. If he's scum, he's having a lot of fun right now. I wanted to potentially make some scum hearts leap.
It's enough for me to override my personality read on him and consider, equally, the possibility of shrewd-minded chaotic scum. Actually, if it's possible and allowed, could someone link a QT of a game Mocsta previously played scum?
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Ouch. It's "Zaragon", dammit.
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gg wp
Good learning experience and interesting game, particularly early on. A lot of people played well I think. Thanks all.
By the way, I'm glad you were town Mocsta.
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