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On September 22 2013 03:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:14 yamato77 wrote:On September 22 2013 03:13 marvellosity wrote:
Perhaps. The chances of me jumping on a player like Wave at this stage of Day 1 are approaching zero though, so whatevs ^^ So, what about anyone else I mentioned in my post? VE/Sentinel/Mocsta Mocsta you seem to have this meta-read on him that I actually wasn't aware of (condescension as mafia). Something I can be prone to do actually as you may know ;p The most interesting part about Mocsta for me is that he's posted a lot but I don't really think anything about it particularly positively or negatively. From his general posting outside of this game, his apparent lack of time to play forum mafia, I could see whatever tone you're picking up coming from that sort of general frustration, given how the game started perhaps?
Or, he's being a dick because he gets off on being a dick when he's mafia.
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This is actually how I read Mocsta now, btw.
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On September 22 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in lynching Mocsta today. While I disagree with some of his methodology, he's posting enough and in such a way that if he's scum he'll tell us about it.
I could feasibly lynch LM from his filter but I'm gonna ng to read him in context when I get back to a computer.
I'm precisely saying that his posting IS telling you that he's scum.
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@Wave
So you think DP is town, congratulations.
Still not entirely thrilled with your game plan so far.
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On September 22 2013 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm saying I disagree.
Why?
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On September 22 2013 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The stuff about geript. Feels townie to me.
Can you quote specific posts so I can see what you apparently see?
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On September 22 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
@Wave
So you think DP is town, congratulations.
Still not entirely thrilled with your game plan so far. What game plan? I don't have one. As town I hunt scum, and I make it easy for people to determine that I'm town. D1 is slow for me and always has been. I'll be able to get a read on a few players here and there but I very rarely have strong scumreads until a little later in the game unless it's something like Dandel. What more would you like from me specifically? Right now I could lynch LM based on Marv's point, or maybe justanothertownie. And don't even get me started on the lurker/no-post factor because that shit pisses me off every game regardless of my alignment. I have to stuff to say about that too but I don't want to derail if people don't want to hear it from me atm.
What's your read on VisceraEyes?
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On September 22 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The stuff about geript. Feels townie to me. Yup. Geript is a ballsy player in general as town or scum but specifically attacking DP, who is a well-known strong town player and getting on his bad side is suicidal if Geript is scum and DP town. It would honestly make more sense if DP were scum and geript town, but I do not believe Geript actually has strong enough reasons to call DP scum fo realz, and I do not personally believe DP is scum atm.
I agree with this, but he was talking about Mocsta's stuff about geript.
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On September 22 2013 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although after reading he did go from taking a stance to saying firmly null. :/
convince me Yam. Mocsta jerry regardless of alignment. Why scum this game?
In my experience, he's not necessarily this way when he's town. As I said, it's something I associate with scum Mocsta.
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Since I left, almost nothing of consequence has happened.
I am disappoint.
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On September 22 2013 09:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 09:30 yamato77 wrote:
Since I left, almost nothing of consequence has happened.
I am disappoint. Yamatbro, what you think about this justanothertownie fellow? Help me make things of consequence happen!
He's probably town.
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On September 22 2013 18:42 FirmTofu wrote:
As much as I dislike DP's play this game, DP's response to me is making me warm up to him. It is reminiscent of classic town play.
Townies know they are town. Therefore, when people call them scum, they instinctively believe the accuser is "bad" or scum. After all, they are town and they know that the accuser is wrong. This knowledge makes them act in anger and frustration when defending themselves.
Classic thought process: "How could this asshole accuse me? I'm town! I've been playing super pro-town all game and this guy is saying I'm scum? He must be a terrible player or scum."
While DP's anger toward me could be manufactured, it feels rather genuine.
Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game.
Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob.
On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it.
Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave.
On September 22 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert?
As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me.
RE: VisceraEyes
Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on.
RE: Mocsta
Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true."
On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute.
This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.
Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible.
So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well.
This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons.
##Vote: Chairman Ray
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On September 22 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato there is a reason for my questions. You'll hear about the conclusions when i have answers.
What do you think about Koshi?
I have ignored Koshi's posts.
Maybe he's scum? Dunno. Would expect him to be more active and spam y like the carefree townie he is, if he was indeed town.
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Also, you should move your vote to Ray, because he is the wagon of Justice. 100% mafia.
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On September 22 2013 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already?
Are you reading my posts?
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On September 23 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. He specifically said that's how he works in games. He finds out marv/(Hapa's) alignments and lynches them or works with them. He also gave me an impression he has tried to read marv's slignment, i don't see him doing so.
That tactic works in Mini games. It does not work in large games. In large games, as town, I skim the thread, noting what I find suspicious, and then work with multiple scum reads. It is too hard to win a large game by getting townreads. In a Mini it is easy. But at least I understand that you seem to think this difference in my play is actually meaningful. Makes me feel better about your alignment.
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On September 23 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote:On September 22 2013 18:42 FirmTofu wrote:
As much as I dislike DP's play this game, DP's response to me is making me warm up to him. It is reminiscent of classic town play.
Townies know they are town. Therefore, when people call them scum, they instinctively believe the accuser is "bad" or scum. After all, they are town and they know that the accuser is wrong. This knowledge makes them act in anger and frustration when defending themselves.
Classic thought process: "How could this asshole accuse me? I'm town! I've been playing super pro-town all game and this guy is saying I'm scum? He must be a terrible player or scum."
While DP's anger toward me could be manufactured, it feels rather genuine. Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. On September 22 2013 21:13 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 22 2013 21:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. Pro-tip: Don't listen to a player's opinion of their own meta. Or take "I do this as scum/town, too!" as a valid excuse for legitimately scummy play. Wave has picked up on the same thing that I've picked up on, and it makes me feel very good about this read. I rescind my early scum read on Wave.
On September 22 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert? As in, he's actually posting? This line of questioning goes nowhere, because in recent memory, FT has simply not posted and been lynched for it. As town. Questioning the difference is completely pointless. Something is off with Rayn this game. His questions are generally stupid, but he's a special kind of useless so far and it's begun to seriously bother me.
RE: VisceraEyes Still pretty scummy and useless. Can be scummy and useless as town. Not necessarily a good lynch. His alignment will be clearer the longer the game goes on.
RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true."
On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute.
This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.
Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible.
So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. This dude is now the best lynch in the game, for quite obvious reasons. ##Vote: Chairman Ray This is the thing I don't get about this post. He goes to some lengths to KINDA explain his reads on most everyone he mentions....except the person he's voting for. As if he doesn't want people to vote for the person he's voting for, rather one of the other people he called scum in this post (myself, DP for example). What's the town motivation for doing this and then disappearing? Why does he not care about getting his strongest read (in this case Chairman Ray apparently) lynched? Why not explain why he's voting for Chairman Ray rather than just say "Oh it should be obvious"? Yeah I'm voting Yamato. For the town. ##Vote: yamato77
I was feeling better about your alignment until this. Choosing to do nothing else but sheep thread sentiment onto my own wagon at a crucial time like this is actually fairly conclusive evidence that you are mafia. I see no indication before this that you actually thought I was scum, or thought anyone was scum, for that matter.
The "reason" that you have voted for me is actually such a constructed piece of bullshit that I find it hilarious. You're not voting for any reason except for the fact that I voted for Chairman Ray when it should be apparent that I found the reasoning obvious? Laughably horrid.
For the record, let me explain why Chairman Ray's post makes him 100% mafia. The one valuable thing I learned from Sicilian was that if there's one thing to be on the lookout for, it is terrible opening posts, especially late in the day. Now, all of you may have the impression from him that he's a noon, but it honestly makes no difference. Anyone who struggles so mightily to post anything of value that late in the day when they enter the thread is almost certainly mafia.
To be fair, you could also damn him for his recent sheep vote if LoneMeow just as that wagon was taking off.
On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town. ##Vote: LoneMeow
I guarantee that Chairman Ray is having a difficult time coming up with legitimately suspicious things to comment on, so his gameplan is to sheep the easiest lynch out there. At that time, LM fit the profile because votes were piling on him after he martyred. He is the most legitimately likely mafia candidate in the thread, and my vote will continue to stay on him.
RE: The Rest of the Idiots Accusing Me
Matthew voting for me I could see happening if he's town. Still a stupid vote, especially since it came after that abomination of a case VE used to justify his sheeping. But as town, I get the impression that he listens to others more than himself.
DP I'm beginning to sway on. I'm not certain either way, and it's difficult to know when he's constantly defensive and proclaiming his accusers mafia. I should have known better than to voice my doubts about his alignment when his reaction is automatic. Still, he really has yet to come up with a scum read that wasn't "this guy accused me, he maf"
Mocsta I'm pretty certain is mafia, but I hold small reservations that he could just be this horrid as town. He's not the best D1 lynch, Ray is. VE is a similar situation, for the record. As scum, they will continue to dig their own graves, so leaving them alive to get a better picture of them this game doesn't hurt anything.
Sentinel, I don't really have much of a clue. I didn't like his entrance to the thread in the first place, and his timely sheeping of the wagon on me is quite disturbing. Could he be this bad as town? Possibly. If I had to guess, I'd say he's mafia, for the aforementioned reasons, but I don't feel good enough about it to lynch him.
Now, I have some time today to spend posting in the thread. Between work and sleep, I have not yet been afforded this chance. So for a limited time, my thoughts are available. Mind you, I generally have ignored most of the rest of the thread outside of the people I have mentioned, so most of my reads on other players are "havent looked" or "probably town".
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On September 23 2013 05:46 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato i voted you to see how angry you would get... I dont sense the fury in that post
I'm intentionally not tilting this game.
It's easier to do in forum mafia than in Voice. If you OMGUS and yell at your accusers, you become DP.
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On September 23 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato could you comment on Koshi. This is basically what he has done:
1) Called out Mocsta for bad reasons.
2) When Vayne made a non-alignment indicative post, retracted from the vote on Mocsta and voted for Vayne.
3) Retracted from Vayne because some people called his vote out.
4) Called some random people scum and voted for LoneMeow for martyring.
5) Reasoning for FT being scum is... no, actually there is no reasoning, Koshi just summed up what FT has done this game.
TLDR; Bad, useless posts, fear of being called out for his ideas/intentions, summing up what someone said and calling them scumfor it without conclusions.
And that's my case, Koshi is scum.
Even if I read Koshi's filter and come to the same conclusion you have, he's still not a better lynch than Ray.
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Marv pointed out something from Mocsta that exemplifies what I've been saying about him all game, but he said "don't do this" or something like that, in response. I will try to find the post.
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On September 23 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:
yam needs to join the newbie league
learn to play.
i already addressed your pittance of a "case" against me.
P.S. the chairman vote is terrible. Stop this Mocsta. This is shit. Stop it.
This kind of posting is what I expect from scum Mocsta.
As town, Mocsta has zero motivation to insult me and goad me into an argument as opposed to sincerely attempting to figure out my alignment. Scum Moc, however, loves to do just that.
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