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On September 23 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato could you comment on Koshi. This is basically what he has done:
1) Called out Mocsta for bad reasons.
2) When Vayne made a non-alignment indicative post, retracted from the vote on Mocsta and voted for Vayne.
3) Retracted from Vayne because some people called his vote out.
4) Called some random people scum and voted for LoneMeow for martyring.
5) Reasoning for FT being scum is... no, actually there is no reasoning, Koshi just summed up what FT has done this game.

TLDR; Bad, useless posts, fear of being called out for his ideas/intentions, summing up what someone said and calling them scumfor it without conclusions.

And that's my case, Koshi is scum.

On September 23 2013 05:55 Koshi wrote:
I never said FT was scum. I said I had no problem lynching him.
Then you said: why.
Then I said: I expected more.
Then you said: elaborate.
Then I summed up all his actions in 2 sentences.
Then you said I said FT was scum.
Then I made this post.

On September 23 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato could you comment on Koshi. This is basically what he has done:
1) Called out Mocsta for bad reasons.
2) When Vayne made a non-alignment indicative post, retracted from the vote on Mocsta and voted for Vayne.
3) Retracted from Vayne because some people called his vote out.
4) Called some random people scum and voted for LoneMeow for martyring.
5) Reasoning for FT being scum is... no, actually there is no reasoning, Koshi just summed up what FT has done this game.

TLDR; Bad, useless posts, fear of being called out for his ideas/intentions, summing up what someone said and calling them scumfor it without conclusions.

And that's my case, Koshi is scum.

On September 23 2013 06:25 Stutters695 wrote:


So because you expected more you want to lynch him? Do you think he is town or scum, this bull "I never said he's scum, but I'd lynch him" shit isn't working for me.

On September 23 2013 05:55 Koshi wrote:
I never said FT was scum. I said I had no problem lynching him.
Then you said: why.
Then I said: I expected more.
Then you said: elaborate.
Then I summed up all his actions in 2 sentences.
Then you said I said FT was scum.
Then I made this post.

On September 23 2013 06:27 ObviousOne wrote:

First sentence. Wow. That's scummy as fuck.

On September 23 2013 05:39 yamato77 wrote:
@Rayn



That tactic works in Mini games. It does not work in large games. In large games, as town, I skim the thread, noting what I find suspicious, and then work with multiple scum reads. It is too hard to win a large game by getting townreads. In a Mini it is easy. But at least I understand that you seem to think this difference in my play is actually meaningful. Makes me feel better about your alignment.

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@VE



I was feeling better about your alignment until this. Choosing to do nothing else but sheep thread sentiment onto my own wagon at a crucial time like this is actually fairly conclusive evidence that you are mafia. I see no indication before this that you actually thought I was scum, or thought anyone was scum, for that matter.

The "reason" that you have voted for me is actually such a constructed piece of bullshit that I find it hilarious. You're not voting for any reason except for the fact that I voted for Chairman Ray when it should be apparent that I found the reasoning obvious? Laughably horrid.

For the record, let me explain why Chairman Ray's post makes him 100% mafia. The one valuable thing I learned from Sicilian was that if there's one thing to be on the lookout for, it is terrible opening posts, especially late in the day. Now, all of you may have the impression from him that he's a noon, but it honestly makes no difference. Anyone who struggles so mightily to post anything of value that late in the day when they enter the thread is almost certainly mafia.

To be fair, you could also damn him for his recent sheep vote if LoneMeow just as that wagon was taking off.



I guarantee that Chairman Ray is having a difficult time coming up with legitimately suspicious things to comment on, so his gameplan is to sheep the easiest lynch out there. At that time, LM fit the profile because votes were piling on him after he martyred. He is the most legitimately likely mafia candidate in the thread, and my vote will continue to stay on him.

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RE: The Rest of the Idiots Accusing Me

Matthew voting for me I could see happening if he's town. Still a stupid vote, especially since it came after that abomination of a case VE used to justify his sheeping. But as town, I get the impression that he listens to others more than himself.

DP I'm beginning to sway on. I'm not certain either way, and it's difficult to know when he's constantly defensive and proclaiming his accusers mafia. I should have known better than to voice my doubts about his alignment when his reaction is automatic. Still, he really has yet to come up with a scum read that wasn't "this guy accused me, he maf"

Mocsta I'm pretty certain is mafia, but I hold small reservations that he could just be this horrid as town. He's not the best D1 lynch, Ray is. VE is a similar situation, for the record. As scum, they will continue to dig their own graves, so leaving them alive to get a better picture of them this game doesn't hurt anything.

Sentinel, I don't really have much of a clue. I didn't like his entrance to the thread in the first place, and his timely sheeping of the wagon on me is quite disturbing. Could he be this bad as town? Possibly. If I had to guess, I'd say he's mafia, for the aforementioned reasons, but I don't feel good enough about it to lynch him.

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Now, I have some time today to spend posting in the thread. Between work and sleep, I have not yet been afforded this chance. So for a limited time, my thoughts are available. Mind you, I generally have ignored most of the rest of the thread outside of the people I have mentioned, so most of my reads on other players are "havent looked" or "probably town".

On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy.



Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts?

On September 23 2013 04:51 Chairman Ray wrote:


LoneMeow, on D1, nobody knows who is town and who is mafia. If you are town, you know who you are and that's it. The biggest victory you can achieve for town is for you to not get lynched. Voting for yourself spells a huge lack of confidence, and how do you expect us to believe in you, if you don't even believe in yourself? When you vote someone on D1, you don't know what they will flip, but you can be confident in that vote knowing that it is the one you will regret the least. So you can keep your vote on yourself, put it back on Umasi, or whatever you want. Either way, I am confident in my vote on you because I know you play a lot better, and I think this is just a ploy to get everyone to think you are just a bad town.

On September 23 2013 05:39 yamato77 wrote:
I was feeling better about your alignment until this. Choosing to do nothing else but sheep thread sentiment onto my own wagon at a crucial time like this is actually fairly conclusive evidence that you are mafia. I see no indication before this that you actually thought I was scum, or thought anyone was scum, for that matter.

The "reason" that you have voted for me is actually such a constructed piece of bullshit that I find it hilarious. You're not voting for any reason except for the fact that I voted for Chairman Ray when it should be apparent that I found the reasoning obvious? Laughably horrid.

For the record, let me explain why Chairman Ray's post makes him 100% mafia. The one valuable thing I learned from Sicilian was that if there's one thing to be on the lookout for, it is terrible opening posts, especially late in the day. Now, all of you may have the impression from him that he's a noon, but it honestly makes no difference. Anyone who struggles so mightily to post anything of value that late in the day when they enter the thread is almost certainly mafia.

To be fair, you could also damn him for his recent sheep vote if LoneMeow just as that wagon was taking off.



I guarantee that Chairman Ray is having a difficult time coming up with legitimately suspicious things to comment on, so his gameplan is to sheep the easiest lynch out there. At that time, LM fit the profile because votes were piling on him after he martyred. He is the most legitimately likely mafia candidate in the thread, and my vote will continue to stay on him.

On September 23 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:


Stop this Mocsta. This is shit. Stop it.

On September 23 2013 06:35 Chairman Ray wrote:


I need to ask you how you came to the conclusion that a terrible opening post makes someone 100% mafia. If the reason you believe I am mafia is that in a previous game, a mafia made a terrible opening post and you believe these two things have to be correlated, then I think you are wrong because you are basing your argument off a single sample, and you still haven't explained your logic on why terrible first posts must mean mafia. The last thing I want is for this game to end before you realize that anybody can make any sort of opening post, and you can't throw a 100% mafia read on them for it. I want to win this game right here, right now. In order to do that, I need everyone's trust, and that includes you.

As for my vote on LM, I was not sheeping him. In my opening post, I explicitly said that I will not be sheeping as it is very unproductive, and I'm not going to discredit myself by doing what I said I wouldn't do. The reason I voted LM is that he showed a lot of vulnerability, and putting a lot of pressure on him can give us some good information. At the very least, I don't want him to vote Umasi or himself for stupid reasons. As of now, he still has his vote on himself. It is unclear exactly why, and I want to get to the bottom of it. I can assure you that I'm not going to be keeping this vote here for the rest of D1. My vote will be a lot more productive than that. I guess by saying this, it sort of relieves whatever pressure I had on LM, but right now I think getting you trust is a bit more important.