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Or rather, who would you say your realistic candidates are?
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By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you.
I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today.
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Why is there like 7 people actively contributing and everyone has decided to not play the game?
That's fucking awful..
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On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote:justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownieGoing to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler +Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic MafiaIs justanothertownie a suspicious little townie?On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote:
fml...
I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow.
Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote:
But to answer your question:
gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are:
koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you
Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is.TL Mafia LXIIis jat a suspicious little townie?On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi guys...
Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum?
Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.
I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.
##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:@Rayn: Regarding - MattchewOP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew
Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +- Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
- Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
- Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
- Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
- Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
- Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
- Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
- Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
- later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
- Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means
I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.
I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it.jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either.
My first post in titanic was a scumread. It was a really bad one and I got a shitload of flak for it. The same goes for my scumread on hz. Basically I was so totally wrong in this game (apart from my scumread on FT) it hurts. I played like shit.
That's the reason I changed my play for my next games (newbie game, which you so conveniently left out of your analysis and this one).
I have an easy time defending myself and I often get the feeling the person accusing me is scum (be it right or wrong) so if there is someone like that I will naturally be more proactive in the game. You can see that in titanic with oats and FT. In this game nobody made a noteworthy case about me up until this post (Kushs go at it is just pathetic).
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On September 25 2013 21:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote:
Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH.
Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame.
Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation?
I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum. This is wrong and dumb. VE wasn't a good shot because he did nothing until today. Marv has been passed over for NK many times. I've been shot before him in Les Mafia. WoS was clearly town, and BH was a replacement with the possibility of being good for town (maybe). Saying VE/Marv are worth looking into because they are alive is stupid.
I has some merit. I don't see how VE was even in a position to be NKed, and he's never given me much of a town read. If he's established as a better player than that, then I don't want to forget my pattern-based read on him early on.
Marv has felt town all along, but he was part of the mistake for the Chairman Ray vote. That's not much to go on, but logically he would fit in a FT scum team considering the direction of his play. I'm doubting that as yet, though I wish I had a better feel for how he's read FT.
Partly related to that, I liked Mattchew's posts. Doesn't show any deeper analysis of the game, but I can buy his playstyle now as town just wanting to be right at the end if Marv flips scum.
That said, I'm just not reading Marv as scum. So he would only serve as a logical puzzle piece in the Chairman Ray vote switch if we had a real scum panic situation at the end of day one because of the deadline mishap. Not likely (the Marv part, obviously I've shown I think the scum panic situation is likely) but I don't want to rule it out: let's not rule out anyone who isn't confirmed town.
The only reason I'm addressing this is because I haven't liked the thread sentiment during this day (I read up to date on the game twice yesterday without posting since I was stopping myself from getting stuck on FT and Rayn, evaluating non-FT scum link possibilities, but nothing I've seen has sold me on anyone else as priority)
iamp:
For my vote on VE being meaningless to you: it was what I believed to be several hours before deadline and I needed sleep. I hoped it would get traction, because he was by far the scummiest read to me.
I said the case on Sentinel wasn't great then, and it wasn't--for a lynch. Doesn't mean he can't lean scum for me.
I had no interest in throwing a vote on a wagon to "look townier" when I had a good scum read.
On Pandain:
I've liked some of his posts, but never his posting pattern. I've considered that he could be similar to myself in play, except that notion sort of collapsed when he posted in short bursts of only minutes apart for the night phase and just after the flips. Means some of his posts could read as playing with an information advantage, and I need to check it more thoroughly
Out of game note: + Show Spoiler +I'm posting less as I'm having problems with this game; Multiple Sclerosis affects my memory and concentration and I'm having some worse days. I'm mentioning it because I've had a lot of "weird" and "fluff" comments that you might want some context to (I take zero offense).I'm still of course firmly going to ask that if you think I'm scum, lynch me without reservations. I hope to be more active tonight or tomorrow.
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On September 25 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you.
I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today.
Well, I will always defend myself against a push like that (I mean it's not only you, rayn hopped on it instantly - he basically sheeps you all the time right now). Don't care if it pleases you or not. I will be more proactive but I have to leave for a few hours in around 30 minutes so don't expect me to do so before.
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On September 25 2013 23:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote:justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownieGoing to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler +Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic MafiaIs justanothertownie a suspicious little townie?On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote:
fml...
I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow.
Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote:
But to answer your question:
gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are:
koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you
Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is.TL Mafia LXIIis jat a suspicious little townie?On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi guys...
Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum?
Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.
I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.
##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:@Rayn: Regarding - MattchewOP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew
Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +- Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
- Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
- Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
- Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
- Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
- Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
- Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
- Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
- later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
- Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means
I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.
I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it.jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either. My first post in titanic was a scumread. It was a really bad one and I got a shitload of flak for it. The same goes for my scumread on hz. Basically I was so totally wrong in this game (apart from my scumread on FT) it hurts. I played like shit. That's the reason I changed my play for my next games (newbie game, which you so conveniently left out of your analysis and this one). I have an easy time defending myself and I often get the feeling the person accusing me is scum (be it right or wrong) so if there is someone like that I will naturally be more proactive in the game. You can see that in titanic with oats and FT. In this game nobody made a noteworthy case about me up until this post (Kushs go at it is just pathetic).
Well, you have time on your side, and I think you're capable of looking pretty townie as a game goes on. So I hope to see it.
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On September 25 2013 23:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you.
I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today. Well, I will always defend myself against a push like that ( I mean it's not only you, rayn hopped on it instantly - he basically sheeps you all the time right now). Don't care if it pleases you or not. I will be more proactive but I have to leave for a few hours in around 30 minutes so don't expect me to do so before.
This is kinda odd, I'd agree. I'm not used to rayn agreeing with me a lot.
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On September 25 2013 23:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:06 justanothertownie wrote:On September 25 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, JAT, I don't want to lynch you today, because I'm not sure on you.
I'd much rather you spent time doing something proactive than defending yourself against a lynch that won't be happening today. Well, I will always defend myself against a push like that ( I mean it's not only you, rayn hopped on it instantly - he basically sheeps you all the time right now). Don't care if it pleases you or not. I will be more proactive but I have to leave for a few hours in around 30 minutes so don't expect me to do so before. This is kinda odd, I'd agree. I'm not used to rayn agreeing with me a lot.
I agree with you when i think you are right.
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Also i am pretty sure you are town marv. Your play is very different from Desert. The way you push lynches/targets as town/scum is different.
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On September 25 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i am pretty sure you are town marv. Your play is very different from Desert. The way you push lynches/targets as town/scum is different.
Wanna explain it to me so I can fool you as mafia in a later game?
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On September 25 2013 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
Or rather, who would you say your realistic candidates are?
ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game.
I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much
like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=160#3183
he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid.
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On September 25 2013 23:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
Or rather, who would you say your realistic candidates are? ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game. I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=160#3183he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid.
You spent hours on a massive listpost, in which there were like 6 players scummier than Risen? What happened to them?
I don't like your posting iamp.
If you're trying a new style or something, stop it, because it's making me suspicious.
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On September 25 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:13 iamperfection wrote:On September 25 2013 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
Or rather, who would you say your realistic candidates are? ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game. I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=160#3183he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid. You spent hours on a massive listpost, in which there were like 6 players scummier than Risen? What happened to them? I don't like your posting iamp. If you're trying a new style or something, stop it, because it's making me suspicious.
do you think risen is town?
who cares if i listed other people scummier im reading risen now and im thinking he isn't town.
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On September 25 2013 23:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i am pretty sure you are town marv. Your play is very different from Desert. The way you push lynches/targets as town/scum is different. Wanna explain it to me so I can fool you as mafia in a later game?
Well unless you are fooling me this game: :p
When you are town you (at last) on D2 take a town leader position. By this i mean you have far more confindence in your posts than you do as scum. When you are scum your cases are mostly -- especially if your scumbuddy is in danger of getting lynched -- "I don't feel this lynch (for reason XYZ - usually "give more time to him or something, you are not really defending anyone"), how about we lynch this guy (usually useless or bad town) instead?". You have far less confidence in your reads and you are more just "going on with the game silently pushing town into wrong direction" rather than being analytical and talking about what YOU want to talk about.
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I'm pretty null on Risen.
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Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence.
He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead.
Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only.
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On September 25 2013 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty null on Risen.
would you say he has put himself in the spotlight much at all?
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Add to this how he throws dirt on me without any explanation about how the things I said are scummy.
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On September 25 2013 23:21 iamperfection wrote:would you say he has put himself in the spotlight much at all?
no, but the same can be applied to Cephiro.
Why is Cephiro coinflippy and Risen the best chance for a lynch right now?
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