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Hopefully others will see my points, otherwise I'm going to vote either FT or stutters since Stutters just gave an awful re-entrance post. Will be back later and follow on my phone. | ||
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Why has the FT lynch died. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:01 Pandain wrote: And there-in lies my point. No one knows. Decondou is an old school mafia player who I have played with several times. In fact he is one of the best mafia players and really good at analysis. Here is his filter:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all Despite his experience he has been lurking heavily since day two. He has posted analysis but never pushed anything, indicative of scum never following up on their reads. Also look what he feels about Ceph: Despite this he ends up voting him later on, and for different reasons. I could see Stutters being town. He is obviously not following the thread closely and hasn't even voted yet and might be modkilled. However decondou with posts like this: + Show Spoiler + On September 24 2013 07:14 deconduo wrote: First off, a 5/6 vote lynch in a 30 player game is pretty terrible. We need to be a lot more consolidated in our lynches or we'll be torn apart later on. I know there was some confusion over the deadline but that's still only a 2 hour difference. I've tried to skim through the thread and as many relevant filters as possible, but there's a massive amount of reading to do. However I noticed that yamato has an awful lot of filler and not much actual content. Stuff like this: And this: This sort of stuff is scattered throughout his filter, though he does have the occasional content post. Far worse however is Risen. He repeated calls out filler posts: Yet he doesn't have a single post in his <1 page filter worth reading. As far as vig shots go, he would be at the top of the list. Mostly for my own benefit, but might help others Day/Night Posts + Show Spoiler + Filters + Show Spoiler + 1: DarthPunk 2: raynpelikoneet 3: WaveofShadow 4: gumshoe -> Blazinghand 5: yamato77 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 8: ObviousOne 10: FirmTofu 11: Pandain 12: Cephiro 13: Mr. Cheesecake 14: Xzavier -> deconduo 15: Coagulation 16: Stutters695 17: Onegu 18: Zenatsu -> Malongo 19: [UoN]Sentinel 20: VisceraEyes 21: VayneAuthority 22: geript 23: Risen 24: LoneMeow 25: marvellosity 26: Zaragon 27: Mattchew 28: Umasi 29: justanothertownie 30: Mocsta 9: Chairman Ray - Town Parity Cop, Lynched Day 1 Clearly shows his interest. The question then becomes, why does he not post what he feels? Why has he not pushed anything? He is an exagerrated form of Stutters and more likely to flip scum then him. He is not playing to his normal quality and has no reason to unless scum as he clearly shows interest. I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him. FT I would still lynch, however, but decondou is by far the better lynch. Stutters is a distant third now, especially since he might be modkilled. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right? Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left. Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read. OO probably town too | ||
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On October 02 2013 07:39 justanothertownie wrote: Just because there are worse players left the good players don't have to be investigated for playing badly? Is that what you are saying? I agree on CC although he made some very questionable decisions and I hope to god Kita is town. Risen i am unsure of and if ObviousOne wasn't the only one who claimed to be roleblocked N1 I would be highly suspicious of him by now. For that he is probably town... Ignore everything else why is decondou not scum | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote: Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him. What about this | ||
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I instead will be talking about the three lynches today in Stutters, FT, and Decondou. Stutters is not a bad lynch, and maybe I got too agressive with how confident I am with decondou. The fact is he is simply not the best nor the most logical lynch today. If it's between iamp or stutters I will lynch stutters, but I think there are outside factors which blend into stutters possibly being town, namely not giving a shit. I heavily compare and contrast stutters with decondou as their essentially in the same boat and the same scum playstyle, and I have to conclude, as I'll mention later, that he's a worse lynch then decondou. I am not defending stutters as pro town, however. FT I think is still a good lynch. Marv, DP, and Yamato all had their eyes on him so maybe I missed something there. Furthermore his responses have been bad in this thread and he is not really pushing anyone or helping me lynch decondou who he says he is suspicious of. Doesn't make sense from a town mindset. The lynch seems to have died down, however, so we can deal with it tommorow and I'll look into his previous games more. Decondou, as I'll repeat, and I beg you to read my analysis. His meta is not lurking, he is a good contributor. There's an explanation that he doesn't have the time to keep up, but that's counteracted by posts he says which clearly show that he's understanding where the thread is. It is not fitting with his playstyle as an experienced player either to hide in the shadows. I only seem scum motivations. He defend Cephiro when there was a chance of saving him and then bandwagoned him with weak reasoning later on when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. He didn't repeat his previous reasons why he thought Cephiro is town and instead was content to let him lynch. Isn't indicative of town. No one has shared a reason why decondou is town because there is no reason. There is only a scum mindset and thus only a scum play. He is most suspicious out of everyone and I would like people to not just follow a bad bandwagon on iamp, and instead lynch who they think is most likely to be scum. And I hope I have shown it is decondou. | ||
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In his time he posted way more then he has here, so I think, plainly put, you're wrong and/or exagerrating what he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=deconduo&view=all Note he also got killed night two. So no, in regards to his meta not being lurker. If I recall correctly, marv suggested he could be town basd on how he entered the game and didnt realise yamato was confirmed town. How does this prove anything? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote: I assume this is to me. Thats not the point. You have found scum, perhaps, but the person is not here and there is a lot on the line this cycle. Dropping to 2 KP is paramount. If Dec is scum; there are 4 others left. This just feels like a cop out at this pivotal time. Nothing to do with being offended. But I feel he is most likely and am urging you to vote with me if you think he's scum. I have already shared why I disagree with you about iamp being scum, why would I switch to him? I could switch to Stutters, what about you? Or back to FT? But definitely iamp is not the lynch, at least for today. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=deconduo&view=all Then look at here and see the difference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=all | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:52 Mocsta wrote: Thats true. Immediately clear. Too late for a vote swap regardless, but he is certainly a safe lynch next cycle. I think we have an hour 8 minutes, not 8 minutes. Please lynch decondou. | ||
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