TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 13

On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote:
My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia.





iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement.

While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself.



However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote.

When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim.

LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier.

Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly.

On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:
FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.

I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though.

On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:


But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia.

On October 02 2013 03:13 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm actually pretty happy with lynching iamp first.

He acknowledges the importance of caring about the lynch, yet the only time he has really shown he cares is a five minute period where he is pushing the doctor claim over our only mafia lynch. Generic generalization and doesn't mean anything, has pushed other people before in thread He came to a conclusion before considering the evidence on that day. indicates town that he even managed to filter dive Day three he was pretty lazy and showed no interest in pushing things beyond cephiro. He uses the excuse that he is having a difficult time subbing in, but I managed to day the same an entire cycle later. That's okay, cephiro was clearly scum why would he even push anyone else. I didn't. Don't think you did He is clearly caught up based on the list post he made, that looks incredibly wrong, so it's not like that's a valid excuse. All of his scum reads Zaragon, Mattchew, and Umasi were SHOT YESTERDAY! WHY WOULD HE SHOOT PEOPLE HE COULD PUSH/PLACED AS SCUM READS Even today he has only defended himself and posted a one-liner on someone he would be open to. For a town player that is as good as iamp, I think this has to be his mafia play.

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On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
1: DarthPunk/sb-
town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways.

2: raynpelikoneet-
town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts.

5: yamato77-
town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that

6: kushm4sta-
dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning.

8: ObviousOne-
annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town.

10: FirmTofu-
Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town

11: Pandain-
his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity.

12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

13: Mr. Cheesecake-
im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl.

14: decondu-
confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him.

15: Coagulation-
town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims

16: Stutters695-
martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though

17: iamperfection-
IC

18: Zenatsu/molango-
a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse.

19: [UoN]Sentinel-
scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum.

20: VisceraEyes-
I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum.

22: geript-
scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum

23: Risen-
i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.

25: marvellosity-
Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader.

26: Zaragon-
scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much.

27: Mattchew-
scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum

Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say

29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town.

30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc....

On September 25 2013 23:13 iamperfection wrote:

ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game.

I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much

like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=160#3183
he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid.

On September 26 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote:
its a tomb in here

people comment on what i have said about risen

you can check a recent town game here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Risen

i would say his play this game has been different and most importantly different in a scummy way in that he seems much more in the background then he was in that game.

On September 27 2013 07:30 iamperfection wrote:
so i will be able to post updated scum reads before the deadline but i will be out the next couple hours i was watching through my phone and i want these thoughts and musings out now.

Don't shoot geript i think despite my hatred for such a player he is town. His trolling and ninja voting while super annoying and no town player should ever do it is more of indication of him being town. It puts a huge target on his back and gives him a ton of attention and despite what i am saying here a lot of players would vig him anyways. Its a sucidal strategy and it is likely coming from an idiot townie.

I think Mr CC is town. He did the same thing i did when he saw the claim. Opened his filter to see if it made any sense it did not. This looks like to me that he is trying to figure things out. Mr cc would have known that lone was telling the truth if he was scum.

conversely Sents reaction troubles me the most because he instantly believed it and didn't even bother to look for reasoning.

Marv if your not gonna bother to show up around the lynch don't complain about the result. Its extremely likely your town and you fucking off two hours before when we need you is unacceptable. don't do it again.

for night actions drs on yamato and marv
dts do what you want

On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
people that i have no clue or somewhat not sure

stutters- i Have no idea he is almost always useless

Kush- Whiner complainer who knows. Says he is sick which i could see him lying about. See if he actually replaces

Umasi- Still like the point that firm brought up and he really hasn't talked about the game much. some of the things he talked about regarding sent seem weird i guess? Like i don't really understand the point he is trying to make but he seems just as confused as me so hey maybe he is town.

VisceraEyes- Like i dont get his apathy earlier but he has said some things that makes sense botherd to show up and seemed to care about the lynch. Maybe that a sign he is town because he seems somewhat all over the place like his thoughts kind of change pretty fluidly recently with regards to me so could be trying to figure things.

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Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv

Decondu- Regardless of what cephiros alignment is i think he is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=191#3813 His reasoning is makes no sense and he never explains even when called out for that crap. After being called out he does absolutely nothing up until the deadline. No discussion no attempts to figure out alignments or establish his innocence. Combine this with terrible activity but ability to be around the lynch apparently. He isn't hunting scum because he is scum.


Sent- this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=85#1699 say absolutely nothing on a major topic while subtly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. Also didn't like his response to the claim. He just immediately believes it and i know he had a town read on him but still townies are naturally supicious he dosnt go look he dosnt freak out much just proclaiming ha i was right fuck you guys i don't see the figuring out of alignments near the deadline


Risen- Hes not contributing he is just calling town bad and has apathy that i think is fake. All he does is shit on town and say herp derp town not listening to me. He isnt trying hard to push lynches. Townies want to lynch scum and it seems he just wants to over exaggerate town mistakes and complain rather than hunt scum.


im also having a hard time finding a ton of definite scum reads so i think its possible that molango slot could be scum or an active scum but i have a hard time finding active scum unless im super familiar with them.

On October 02 2013 04:38 Koshi wrote:
I had him as scum first but I changed his status to disappointing townie.

On October 02 2013 04:34 kitaman27 wrote:
On a very important sidenote....

On October 02 2013 04:27 Risen wrote:

How is stutters not on your list? Like just not even on it? How is he left off of people's list? He's just as scummy as decon

On October 02 2013 04:42 Koshi wrote:

Nope. It doesn't make sense he plays so silly as both alignments.

On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right?
Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up.

On October 02 2013 04:50 Risen wrote:
And Pandain's defense of iamp just makes me more suspicious of him. Iamp is less likely to be scum than stutters, he isn't a town read. I don't know how you can have a town read on him unless you know something I don't.

On October 02 2013 04:51 justanothertownie wrote:

I disagree. Everyone knew those were the targets to protect. That's why scum obviously doublestacked one of them. His reads were shit, I did not see that much pushing and the nightkill argument is WIFOM.

On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:


The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good.

On October 02 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:

You are Pandain who suspiciously defends a player with bad reasoning.