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On September 25 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote:For Rayn: Posts like these, where he is playing proactively and trying to actively assess the value of the lynch at hand made me think VE is town. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might regret this, but does anyone have any like...previous games of Lone's I can peruse? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just names would suffice - I'm not above doing the legwork. I just am not familiar with his typical play. I'm hung up right now because his tenacity on the Pandain vote reads kinda more townie than scummy in a vacuum...but his refusal to comment on like anything else is very troubling to me. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 22 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:On September 22 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might regret this, but does anyone have any like...previous games of Lone's I can peruse? The previous newbie game. Just the one then? Or will the previous few have him in them? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well he seemed WAY more involved in the discussion in that game than he is in this game. That's....really odd. Marvy baby what do you make of that? He didn't have to do this, but he did. It feels like he's genuinely trying to find scum.
So in total of 6 minutes VE finds the game and reads it? You straight up buy it?
I don't even need to look into any game of LoneMeow to come into a conclusion that he has 100% sure been more involved in the discussion. You can lynch me straight away if that's not true.
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On September 25 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote:For Rayn: Posts like these, where he is playing proactively and trying to actively assess the value of the lynch at hand made me think VE is town. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might regret this, but does anyone have any like...previous games of Lone's I can peruse? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just names would suffice - I'm not above doing the legwork. I just am not familiar with his typical play. I'm hung up right now because his tenacity on the Pandain vote reads kinda more townie than scummy in a vacuum...but his refusal to comment on like anything else is very troubling to me. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 22 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:On September 22 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I might regret this, but does anyone have any like...previous games of Lone's I can peruse? The previous newbie game. Just the one then? Or will the previous few have him in them? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well he seemed WAY more involved in the discussion in that game than he is in this game. That's....really odd. Marvy baby what do you make of that? He didn't have to do this, but he did. It feels like he's genuinely trying to find scum.
Bullshit FirmTofu! Bullshit!
VE posted these things BEFORE YOU HAD A SCUMREAD ON HIM! Therefore it can't be a reason for your townread on him.
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Oh fuck. This is why i want always kill all the fucking idiots who post before reading the whole thread. I have to decipher their comments because their reads are "I am on page 3, XYZ IS SOOOO SCUMMY SCUM SCUM SCUM" then they never bring the m up again, then when questioned i have to look at 12 different filters and read the thread from pages 1-12937 jsut to find out exactly when what happened because there are 9834 different timestamps and i can't trust them.
You are making yourself incredibly hard to read by doing this. EVERYONE DON'T FUCKING POST IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE FULL THREAD!
/end rant
FirmTofu. My point still stands. How does that make VE look town? How is that a good contribution? And still, you labeled VE -- on N1 -- in "people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest". Doesn't sound like a town read to me.
+ the fact that your only scumread on D1 was apparently based on nothing but false information. You had zero scumreads on D1. Oh yeah, you had the DP scumread that was bullshit. Weak.
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I just spent a half an hour onto something i thought proves someone is scum when in fact that was a big pile of nothing and that could have been a non-issue in the first place. I'm gonna go to bed..
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On September 25 2013 07:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'll try not to post when I still catching up in the future.
If you don't think those posts make VE look town, I can't help you. I already explained how I thought they made him look town, so you can just try to follow my thought process in that department.
Also, why would I make so many read changes as scum and just invite all these accusations? Wouldn't a scum FirmTofu just tunnel VE and DP because then he would remain consistent?
What you are saying is that I played badly. Okay. I can accept that. How does that make me scum though?
No i am saying your reasons for thinking VE is town are extremely weak and your posts from N1 don't indicate you thought VE is town and now you are saying you thought he was town on N1.
That's my point.
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On September 25 2013 07:45 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I just spent a half an hour onto something i thought proves someone is scum when in fact that was a big pile of nothing and that could have been a non-issue in the first place. I'm gonna go to bed.. lol. Sorry?
NP. I know like 80% of players do exactly what you do. I have personal issues towards that kinda actions from people. Nothing to be sorry about, i am jsut generally mad because of wasted time that could have been used productively by me.
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On September 25 2013 07:46 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 07:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'll try not to post when I still catching up in the future.
If you don't think those posts make VE look town, I can't help you. I already explained how I thought they made him look town, so you can just try to follow my thought process in that department.
Also, why would I make so many read changes as scum and just invite all these accusations? Wouldn't a scum FirmTofu just tunnel VE and DP because then he would remain consistent?
What you are saying is that I played badly. Okay. I can accept that. How does that make me scum though? No i am saying your reasons for thinking VE is town are extremely weak and your posts from N1 don't indicate you thought VE is town and now you are saying you thought he was town on N1. That's my point. Okay, maybe they are weak. Is town FirmTofu incapable of making weak arguments? I don't see how you automatically arrive at the conclusion that I must be scum because I made a weak argument.
I should have been more clear. This: "your posts from N1 don't indicate you thought VE is town and now you are saying you thought he was town on N1"
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marv will you be around still?
I'm gonna make coffee and let's talk.
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First:
##Unvote: FirmTofu
##Vote: Cephiro
I liked FirmTofu's responses to me. There are a couple of things that bother me still.
1) His weird contradiction in his read on VE -- in N1 (i talked about it), which he hasn't explain.
2) His list. Especially the "tier 1" which seems to be based only on "these people have accused me" besides Umasi and Zaragon.
Anyways, i don't see scum!FT defend Mattchew like he did as either alignment.
That being said. I am done with Cephiro. Every single post he makes ends up with "i am soon caught up, then i will prove my towniness and find scum!" and every time he fails to deliver anything at all. He's scum.
I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck. In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum.
Next, lemme look at Pandain and JAT.
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I can't understand Pandain, i just can't. Things he say make sense but then again they don't make sense. Ugh...
I have never played with him before so i have no idea what he does as town or scum. I think he is supposed to be a good player no? If he is, lynch.
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On September 25 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote:justanothertownie? This is a pure meta post. His Titanic (town) filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=justanothertownieGoing to spoiler it because it'll probably involve a lot of quotes and not a lot of me saying anything :p + Show Spoiler +Here's his suspicions from the first few pages of Titanic: Titanic MafiaIs justanothertownie a suspicious little townie?On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). This is jat's very first post. He already has a scumread on Paperscraps, and he's suspicious of CJS. On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. Paperscraps scummy, hz starting to be scummy. On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote:
I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? Oats' tunnel on jat is scummy. On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:
No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.
I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Show nested quote +Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Show nested quote +Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Show nested quote +
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Jat is also suspicious of Koshi. On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote:
fml...
I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow.
Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. Vivax is suspicous. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote:
But to answer your question:
gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are:
koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you
Take this with a grain of salt. Suspicious of lots of people. On July 30 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are absolutely right, hz. Koshi and you are not both scum - it's just you. If I had read Koshis case on you closely before I posted this 4 lynch candidates I wouldn't have put him in there. His case against you makes a shitton of sense and I can and will add content to that shortly. I underestimated Koshi because I read a game he played in where his play was extremely weird and because of his lazy play (lynch-lists with only lurkers) D1. Koshi suspicious. On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote:
First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider).
Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though.
I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. Firm and hzflank suspicious. Answer to question: yes, yes he is.TL Mafia LXIIis jat a suspicious little townie?On September 22 2013 00:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi guys...
Mocsta do you think Koshi is town or scum?
Btw. if anybody wants me to comment on something specific feel free to point me to it. Included this just as a comparison to Titanic. On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.
I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.
##Vote: FirmTofu This is halfway down the third page of jat's filter, and is the first time I can find marked suspicion on anybody. And it's because he needs to vote someone before he sleeps. On September 24 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw JAT, if you are still here. Who are your scumreads? I still don't have very strong reads. There are a few people I am relatively confident are town but noone I am sure is scum. People that look bad and come to mind are FT (no improvement and the lynch doesn't make him look better), Risen (I have to admit I don't know this guy at all so maybe he is just a player who doesn't give a fuck at all? - really anti town though), kush (as you said he can do better we will see Day2). I am also slightly suspicious of Mocsta because of his voting behaviour yesterday and because he obviously has a quite strong townread on me (I mean there is nothing wrong with it but the last player who read me town strongly while nobody else did was scum). I wouldn't lynch him though. Ok, still suspicious of FT, Risen for being "anti-town", kush "can do better", and Mocsta "although I wouldn't lynch him". Bear in mind this post was prompted by rayn, not given voluntarily. On September 25 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:44 Mocsta wrote:@Rayn: Regarding - MattchewOP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew
Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise + Show Spoiler +- Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
- Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
- Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
- Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
- Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
- Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
- Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
- Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
- later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
- Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means
I have a few problems with him (1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment. Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!) (2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd. (3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.
I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly. Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle. ##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew Ok, I read his filter again and your case. Still the same feeling about it. Sounds logical - guy might be scum. Is it compelling enough to convince me 100%? No, it is not. On the other hand Mattchews reaction to the case is pretty damning in my eyes. He doesn't even try to defend himself or present better targets. Has to be shat on to give a scumread on Mattchew. Originally I read how he posted around here as town, but now, meh. Answer to question: no, it really doesn't look like it.jat never attempts to engage or develop his read on his only other main scumread, Firm, either.
Justanothertownie:
Thanks for the Titanic compilation, that was what i was supposed to look for today.
Remember my read on JAT earlier? It was "angry". It's the odd feeling i got from him in comparsion to Titanic (yeah i thought at some point he was scum in Titanic, but i had never played with him before that). You are right marv, he is very different here in comparsion to this game. Things i especially don't like:
1) His repeatedly saying "if you got questions to me, go ahead and ask". This does not necessarily make him scum but he's not being proactive, and in Titanic he was proactive.
2) His comeback in thread on D2. First there is this:
On September 25 2013 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
... I'm catching up right now. Open for questions as usal.
Whe he has caught up this is ALL he has to say:
On September 25 2013 02:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Risen, as far as I understand the set up there are no goons. We have 6 scummers and the possible roles are RB, GF and Framer. We also had only one player claiming roleblock (as far as I have seen). I think it is pretty reasonable to assume there are Framer/GF maybe even more than one per role.
Stupid comment to Risen.
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Wow, how come there is nothing going on right now?
Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution.
Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me.
Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter.
Doesn't seem right to me..
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marv help me out with Sentinel.
I have no idea what he is.
What do you make from his answers to me?
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On September 25 2013 12:23 Pandain wrote:
Also Rayn, for someone who posts about everything, you've been strangely ignoring Mattchew. Reasoning?
One thing is for sure. This guy is not reading the thread with attention or if he is he is scum.
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On September 25 2013 21:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote:
Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH.
Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame.
Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation?
I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum. This is wrong and dumb. VE wasn't a good shot because he did nothing until today. Marv has been passed over for NK many times. I've been shot before him in Les Mafia. WoS was clearly town, and BH was a replacement with the possibility of being good for town (maybe). Saying VE/Marv are worth looking into because they are alive is stupid.
That's right. Even i have been shot before marv in at least one game (Basterd mini). In Sicilian marv was what.. endgamed?
I dunno, while this could have some merit (i don't mean VE/marv scum -- but about the "vets" in general) to me this seems like an attempt to turn certain people against each other.
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On September 25 2013 21:26 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck. + Show Spoiler +In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum. . Below is a Ctrl+F "stutters" of Mattchew filter. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 13:17 Mattchew wrote:On September 22 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, lynch Kush with me? On September 22 2013 07:43 Stutters695 wrote:On September 22 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better. Finally off work. Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people? these posts back to back are pretty funny Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum?
and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others
or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy
Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:19 Mattchew wrote:On September 22 2013 23:16 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:12 Mattchew wrote:
oh and chainman ray is still weak, his idea of like watching over the thread is a really good (terrible) excuse for not giving reads and accusations, or even posting that much at all. Too scummy to be scum dude. I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz" Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright. ok i wont vote him today, but i want more opinion on stutters? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:58 Mattchew wrote:
DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:00 Mattchew wrote:
I dont like excuses for absence or whatever, but since i legitmately might not be around at lynch time i would like to say that im at the airport right now, my flight is in 3 hours and lands only an hour or so before lynch... Before i board i will vote and my vote will likely not change.. This also means im all phone posting
Aa flight 140 out of bwi
Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv) Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 06:44 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato what do you think of stutters Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote:i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game wave should be medic'd DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch Mocsta is clearly town i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurkerthis FT post is long but literally says nothing. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i sit down on a computer... a shitty old macbook with no mouse to be exact, after a long day of work
rayn, i'll address you eventually
Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts.
I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work.
Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town.
I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game.
The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv.
How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing?
I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least.
ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection.
pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep
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If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying.
Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads
Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine.
Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today
Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me
Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to
(lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy)
Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on.
im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process.
ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why
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Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow
Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping) + Show Spoiler +
somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry.
I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list
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other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me
I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident + Show Spoiler +
i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling)
mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on.
Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal
And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much)
This ties back to the original. No where does it even state why Stutters is a person of interest. Further, he asks Mocsta, Marv , DP + Yamato for an opinion on stutters. Yet he only asks me after I derailed him on chariman ray... and marv + Yamato are on his proposed scum team... like wtf? Doesn't hold water Rayn.
What Mocsta? In every post of those he asks people's opinion of Stutters. Strong people's, no?
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On September 25 2013 21:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 21:26 Mocsta wrote:On September 25 2013 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't like Mattchew being scum any more. There were some things in his response that are bad, some things that are good, but the thing that struck me was his response about Stutters. He said "i was trying to make other people talk about Stutters". That to me struck as townie as fuck. + Show Spoiler +In case Stutters is town, that's what scum!Mattchew would want to do, but not what he would want to tell people afterwards. In case Stutters is scum, that's not what scum!Mattchew would want to do (if he wanted to bus he would want credit from that bus instead). Of course he could be lying or he could be really good as scum, but besides that i don't see that response coming from scum. . Below is a Ctrl+F "stutters" of Mattchew filter. On September 22 2013 13:17 Mattchew wrote:On September 22 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, lynch Kush with me? On September 22 2013 07:43 Stutters695 wrote:On September 22 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better. Finally off work. Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people? these posts back to back are pretty funny On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote:
has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum?
and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others
or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy
On September 22 2013 23:19 Mattchew wrote:On September 22 2013 23:16 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:12 Mattchew wrote:
oh and chainman ray is still weak, his idea of like watching over the thread is a really good (terrible) excuse for not giving reads and accusations, or even posting that much at all. Too scummy to be scum dude. I just coached this fucker in the newbies. hence the comment about "setting trapz" Look, I actually liked his insight when i probed him more. its not a firm town read by any means, but I think hes certainly not worth a vote outright. ok i wont vote him today, but i want more opinion on stutters? On September 22 2013 23:58 Mattchew wrote:
DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you On September 23 2013 02:00 Mattchew wrote:
I dont like excuses for absence or whatever, but since i legitmately might not be around at lynch time i would like to say that im at the airport right now, my flight is in 3 hours and lands only an hour or so before lynch... Before i board i will vote and my vote will likely not change.. This also means im all phone posting
Aa flight 140 out of bwi
Anyway, can i get some more opinions on stutters (especially marv) On September 23 2013 06:44 Mattchew wrote:
Yamato what do you think of stutters On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote:i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game wave should be medic'd DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch Mocsta is clearly town i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurkerthis FT post is long but literally says nothing. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D
Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.
As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.
We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.
Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.
Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.
Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough On September 25 2013 15:08 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i sit down on a computer... a shitty old macbook with no mouse to be exact, after a long day of work
rayn, i'll address you eventually
Marv is scum... in other news i could be wrong and have just talked myself into a nonsensical read. I cant imagine that there wouldnt be some balance to this game, and with so few players that I think are vets and/or good, i find it impossible for them all to be town. Most of the players I have reasoned why I believe them to be town in earlier posts.
I am going to try and be as polite and respectful as possible writing this analysis but it probably wont work.
Marv has a huge filter, is super active and seems to be the town leader. Who the fuck would want to mess with him, he is one of 2 people in this game that i know of that can be almost unfair as town.
I need someone to point out to me anything marv has done that constitutes a case, or an extremely logic'd out read that completely makes sense. I may be out of the loop, but if there's one thing I know, its that Marv will put his entire thought process into the thread. This game he asks 10000 questions, pressures cases/lurkers (relatively softly especially for marv) and barely (if at all) contributes anything unique of his own. Maybe I have too much respect for his town play but to me it feels like he has said almost next to nothing depsite having one of the (if not the) longest filters in the game.
The town marv I know is a leader just like in this game, but with an actual direction. His posts feel and read extremely flexible and his play has been extremely go with the flow especially for marv.
How long has marv posted thoughts of stutters being scum and not actually pushed a goddamn thing?
I still believe in my night 1 logic of him posting without the fear of death. Who the hell else in this game would scare scum? "but mattchew, i haven't been shot as town night 1 in the last like 30813098123 games" yeah well lets look at who's in those games (namely more respected players than here) and how the game has played out. Almost no one said marv was scum before day 2 and its basically been all me since then, why would he not think he was gonna get shot / double stacked at least.
ps. bonus points for someone that collects all of marvs posts this game about other games in the past as either defense or deflection.
pps townies stop being scared of marv's post count and rep
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If VE says "well scum or town can do that" anymore and we listen to him, we will never have an educated lynch target ever. Its annoying.
Because I am playing "bad", lets do town reads
Yamato, Mocsta and (unfortunately) SNB are like townies number 1. Even though mocsta is wrong with his case on me for not very good reason, he's still town as fuck cause you can see that he actually believes im scum and wants to push it, not that he's just pushing the case to push a mislynch. You all should know why Yamato is town and unless DP knew ahead of his "fuck the world i hate everyone" emo phase that he was leaving the game, it was likely genuine.
Ps. Yamato is the homey now, I have seen the light. I am a dumbass and he is smart, lets be friends even if I get mislynched today
Kush is most likely town. I dont think he could resist having people listen to him, which when theres no pressure of a lynch of you and you are trolling seems extremely unlikely for scum to do, also he made the best case against me
Coag is also most likely town, cause he claims a shot and he has given a tiny bit more of a fuck then he really needed to
(lol at me trying to read coag and kush, I must be going crazy)
Geript is most likely town cause of his battle with DP (granted me thinking DP is town). I dont know geript but I do know DP and his ability to tunnel. I dont see why any scum would want that amount of attention on themselves and have to get into that much of a pissing match early on.
im pretty sure rayn has been pushing people to post better while posting his own thought process.
ceph is probably town too, i have him green highlighted and i have to go back to remember why
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Its weird, I originally had Firmtofu down as a townread (in my own notes), then I called him scum cause of a post because of the reason mentioned there. I think i looked at the first vote too hard thinking him not being lynched caused ray to be lynched, but his push was really after the original Ray (mislynch) push. I need to look into him further tomorrow
Stutters could still be scum and honestly has done nothing to prove me wrong about my worries all along, he pushed and tunneled (as in only talked about) kush the entire day 1 and has just now of day 2 had 1 post about lonemeow which represents the opinions many others have already stated. I dont think he has said anything that adapts to this particular game, (kushpolicy and sheeping) + Show Spoiler +
somewhere in pandain/sent/zar/jat there just has to be some scum or i will probably cry.
I have noticed a lot of weak posting by lonemeow. I have tried not to jump on it too hastily but how many times can i hear something about him being newb or having nothing to add (i think a couple others have said this, and it just makes my blood boil)... the ease in which he has been pushed around is unsettling though, so he's lower than a lot of other people on my "should die" list
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other than post more somone needs to tell me what VE has done that makes everyone think hes town all of a sudden. I have seen too many people compliment his improvement, but what the hell has he done because I cant find it in his posts? these people off put me
I will not defend myself extensively. To answer basically rayn's entire post, I tried to generate a stutters conversation, but no one would talk to me about it, so in thread, it basically died. it was day 1 and I wasn't extremely confident + Show Spoiler +
i have been posting from a phone most of this game, as I read the thread while working. Its something for me to do as I pass the time between surgeries and case studies. I could easily lurk and basically ward off all suspicion by doing so (cause HEY GUYS LURKERS HAVE BASICALLY GOTTEN A FREE PASS THIS GAME) but i dont, and with scum in the position they are currently in, why the fuck wouldn't i do this? (self meta/analyzing is so dirty feeling)
mocsta keeps thinking im super easy to read as town, because when i play in a 6-9 person VM game that lasts 20 minutes (which im there and active for) I try to logic shit out (mostly because with that few players, it is actually a logic game) ... this is the basis of his entire case, which so many people have sheeped and jumped on.
Isn't it just a little strange the ease in which votes have just been rained down upon me? nah bro's this is totes normal
And you all can keep calling my play bad, but I have explained my reads and reasoning (albeit not in long winded posts like here) better than atleast half the players in this game, probably more (as if thats saying much)
This ties back to the original. No where does it even state why Stutters is a person of interest. Further, he asks Mocsta, Marv , DP + Yamato for an opinion on stutters. Yet he only asks me after I derailed him on chariman ray... and marv + Yamato are on his proposed scum team... like wtf? Doesn't hold water Rayn. What Mocsta? In every post of those he asks people's opinion of Stutters. Strong people's, no? Ask them an opinion based on what fucking foundation? Do you even KNOW why he thinks stutters is a candidate to look into? Fuck me.. yet IM a scum read?
Stutters saying "lynch kush" and then saying "why lynch someone who gives us no information" later on. Mattchew does not clearly explain that but it's what i gather from his post you quoted.
When have i said i think you are scum?
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On September 25 2013 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
Sentinel - Do you have any scumgames since Redux?
Seems like the answer is no:
Normal Mini Mafia I Town Medic Miller Killed Night 3
Hammer Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived
Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2
TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 5
TL Mafia Area LIII Town Jailkeeper Lynched Day 6
Pick Your Power: Redux Mafia JOAT Lynched Day 1
Roulette Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Barrack Obama Killed Night 4
Doctor Who Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 6
TL Mafia LVIII Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3
Smurf Mini Mafia Town Miller Lynched Day 4
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On September 25 2013 21:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 21:36 marvellosity wrote:
lol.
You're cute when you're annoyed. Anyways, I asked for a replacement. Treat my fillin as confirmed town will you K thnx, bye.
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On September 25 2013 21:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
Sentinel - Do you have any scumgames since Redux? Seems like the answer is no: Normal Mini Mafia I Town Medic Miller Killed Night 3
Hammer Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived
Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2
TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 5
TL Mafia Area LIII Town Jailkeeper Lynched Day 6
Pick Your Power: Redux Mafia JOAT Lynched Day 1
Roulette Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Barrack Obama Killed Night 4
Doctor Who Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 6
TL Mafia LVIII Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3
Smurf Mini Mafia Town Miller Lynched Day 4 I'm well aware of this list, why do you think I'm asking? The database isn't that up to date.
The last game in the database is Aperture. After that there is Golden Sun (where Sentinel is not playing) and this game.
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On September 25 2013 21:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 21:44 Mocsta wrote:On September 25 2013 21:36 marvellosity wrote:
lol.
You're cute when you're annoyed. Anyways, I asked for a replacement. Treat my fillin as confirmed town will you K thnx, bye. ............ I havent quit.. fuck.. i learnt my lesson in GoT.. jeez louise. Guess it was a joke in poor taste. Just wanted to throw out confirmed town.
Well it doesn't prove your towniness.
Can you look at marv's list and tell what you think about those people?
Mattchew is not here and me/marv/yamato have given our opinions already.
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