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Edit: op hasn't been update... don't know if there's room for an old fart like me
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On August 05 2013 02:47 Koshi wrote:
I think it is smart for me to start posting less and give the posts more value. I always read all posts multiple times. I should be ok.
Welcome to scumhedge
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Super shady play from some people. Worst "keeping their identities secret" nicknames ever. Clarity either made a stupid mistake or is scum.
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Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die.
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On August 09 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote:
Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die. Is Onegu one of them? That'd be pretty cool.
Nope. I haven't gone into anyone's filter, though. I just sat on a toilet and read through the game since start of d1.
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Alrighty so...
Oats v Yamato is either two scum destroying the thread or one of them taking advantage of the other to destroy the thread.
Oats had a really simple mistake that bothered me pointed out by Koshi here in number 1. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. On August 08 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad. personal attacks and jumping to conclusions not cool
As for the Yamato end, he's been consistently null. He trashed up the thread, but at least he didn't lie or change course. I actually really like this part of his filter + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
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um what?
you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. how can you take that condecending attitude?? How. What a dick. Why havent you talked to them? I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. you have house powers???? cool. Why did your house choose to elect oberyn? Every house has powers, IT'S IN THE OP. >_______________> I guess Onegu and jrkirby thought he was townie. I didn't really have time to talk to so I'm not surprised they chose the other person who was considered a candidate.
Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that.
WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler +but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] )He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure.
I'm looking at Onegu now b/c of thread feelings and I don't see anything inspiring me to chime in. I don't see the contradiction rayne was pointing out. I see why he would think it was a contradiction, but I don't believe it is.
On to Xatalos. First thing that caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet.
Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. On August 08 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? load of shit. What happened: As obviously the best town player in the house, as well as obviously town when town, it was clear I was the best lord from the start. chrom said he wanted to be lord, but seemed pretty rational about not being the best choice since he's 1) average 2) a lurker but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol). Never even considering another lord but himself, even though he had stated HIMSELF that I was probably town and he'd elect me if he couldn't be eleced. And I decided he indeed couldn't be elected. Then he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. So Koshi, that guy said he didn't want to be lord at the start. ok weird but w/e. The he said he'd vote sol over me. So I slammed him with my spears of logic of why I'm best lord and he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. He then also decided to want to be lord for no reason at all. That was the tipping point from which on it was utterly IMPOSSIBLE to get anything out of him. every response then was needlessly passive/agressive, choke-full with either bad logic, or no logic at all, things like that. So basically he claimed scum. So I couldn't elect koshi cuz he was being a scummy bitch I couldn't elect sol cuz he was being a bitch I couldn't elect myself cuz koshi and sol were running around like emotional teenage girls. So I had to elect the lurker that's prolly not even going to use the PM ability cuz afk, just so we get one at all. My house is full of scum and baddies. I want to switch houses. LOL. Well, this post from you is definitely more than I got out of you in all your posts *combined* when you were scum last time. So I'm pretty sure you're town and telling the truth. Chrom seems pretty null from that. Both s0Lstice and Koshi look scummy. I'm more concerned about s0Lstice than Koshi, since Koshi is new (although he fooled me well last game) and s0Lstice should be able to see that you're a good choice for Lord - at least better than Chrom or Koshi (or probably himself, even if he was town). On August 08 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Dandel you can come join my house, np. Koshi played pretty weirdly as town in Titanic so I wouldn't quite say he claimed scum. That said, he did say he was trolling to see how far he could take it without taking heat (and he was town, sigh. On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO. I hate to come back to this subject, but Xatalos could you explain how hiding house member lists slows scumhunting? Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses. On August 09 2013 02:18 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, why would Clarity "throw stupid stuff" as scum? Just to cause confusion or something? Is that plausible?
I don't mind Grackaroni coming in and posting without reading the thread, simple mistake. My problem is that he posts the identity of people without asking his house and without reading the thread. That's something major and anyone should know that. It's a WIFOM, though. Did he make a stupid mistake as town, or is he scum trying to appear as having made a stupid mistake. Wash. I DO have a problem with him coming in and saying + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.
s0lstice hasn't posted anything. Can't really judge anything. Doesn't look particularly good for him, though.
I'm going to reserve judgement on Clarity for the time being to see how this plays out. It's clear he thinks REDACTED will have his back.
Plenty of lurkers, but the game has just started. Please post your opinions on other people in the thread and tell me what you think about my four scum reads (but really discuss my top 3 of Dandel Ion, Xatalos, and Oats)
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds
Policy lynches suck, please stop being like this and post actual discussion.
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So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum.
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EBWOP: I forgot to add in a line about REDACTED being Oatsmaster
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On August 09 2013 04:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? What the heck? If you think that's extremely indicative of Mafia play, you should take a look at DI's earlier games. He's active and spammy as town, inactive and useless as scum. Which do you think fits him here? I preferred myself, but gumshoe preferred iamperfection and grackaroni also agreed with iamperfection being our Lord. I wasn't opposed to iamperfection either, just preferred myself (naturally I know I can trust myself 100%).
I think the scumteam has coached him to post this way so he appears to be playing to a town meta.
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Anywho, I'm off to da beech. Hopefully people wake up and read through the thread to start chiming in.
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On August 09 2013 04:05 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote:
So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum. This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves?
Alrighty last post before da beech. I think the PM chain was a scumslip on their part. I think they were supposed to keep it to themselves. I don't think the interaction between Clarity and Oats was supposed to come to light which is why Clarity ended up lying in the PM chain then having to backtrack on it. Clarity probably told Oats the role name, that got revealed because Oats goofed or something, then they had to concoct a story to fit.
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Phone poast: How about you just defend yourselves against my points, and then point out who you think is scum and why instead of posting more useless filler like wat, say wat, and dis be cray! Don't listen to him!
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On August 09 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.
Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means.
This is so scummy man. How about you analyze it, tell us what you think, and then bounce ideas around? Why are you jumping in on this Acro wagon without anything substantive? Seems to me you're soft-pushing an acro lynch without committing yourself.
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Not really. Just got back from da beech, read through the posts that have been made since I've been gone, and responded to FT. Now I'm going to take a bath, watch some House of Cards, and go to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow morning.
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I'm pretty sure nacho rolled scum and when I called him out in a n0 PM he got totally disinterested in the game.
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EBWOP: Or he's just a townie that got disinterested in the game. I should really drink some coffee before going over things. Still, shooting nacho or FT would be nice. I don't understand why Rayne has suddenly lost interest in FT.
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I told him I thought you were more town than FT, and that he was scummy for trying to defend FT. I asked him if it was because he knew FT was town or was defending a scumbuddy. There's no way someone sees that first PM from FT and thinks town.
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Also, just an idea, but can we consolidate two KP targets within the same house, have a house lord do an HP check on their house, then decide what to do with our KP? I disagreed earlier with the notion of using the house HP check, but for deciding whether to split KP or not it makes things a lot easier to coordinate on which lord shoots who.
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No, his post on Acro was trash. He stalled until he could find some sort of soft connection between Yamato (who he is very subtly trying to soft push by connecting to his "scum read" acro) and Acro. What kind of an argument is, "Well acro has a bazillion games to look at for meta reads, but instead I'll link him to a scum game Yamato has"
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Just to note, oats was at the top of my scum list earlier. You're far from the only one. Clarity has become even more scummy to me as he has posted more.
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Ebwop: that was directed at koshi
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Easy shooting guide for night.
Lord 1 fires at 10, 2 at 12, 3 at 14, etc. This isn't hard.
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On August 10 2013 04:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:49 Risen wrote:
Easy shooting guide for night.
Lord 1 fires at 10, 2 at 12, 3 at 14, etc. This isn't hard. OOC: Except that's the middle of the night and fuck you, I'm not waking up at 4 AM
The night is a full twenty four hours. The example is just numbers and even then not the middle of the night clearly demonstrated by the number 14 aka 2pm.
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Ebwop: lynch clarity, house power my house, Lord kill ft and nacho.
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Totally ok with oats or grack lynch as well.
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The only lynch targets I will support: Clarity, Oats, Grack. People who should be shot: FT, Nacho, and whoever doesn't get lynched.
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I can get behind this lynch. Would prefer shots over lynch, but whatever. Shots at Vivax would make me happy.
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On August 10 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 08:49 johnnywup wrote:thats not what i said  and i never said its a meaningful contribution but making a list and not knowing which house two people are in doesn't make me look mafia i'm not saying i'm contributing from that post but someone asked for a list and I wanted it put into a post for convenience sake so i made it. it's just something i thought would be nice and people could refer back to if they needed. i don't understand how that makes me look like mafia? Go more in depth about your FT scumread please, you give me the impression you aren't reading the thread properly and only throw in some half-assed scumread to calm down the waters. If you're defensive, town and know it, you could try to change that and actually show some interest into finding out who's scum. Instead you don't seem to show any interest whatsoever into covnincing the lords to get to the right lynch, only to survive, and that seems a lot like scum play. Most of my house seems interested into lynching Onegu, although I still need to get a clearer picture from PMs. Oats is like disappeared currently, still waiting for a few replies. I'm kinda unsure on the choice but I can't find any particular reason for assuming Onegu is town at this point either. I feel that some of the points brought up against him are also similar to stuff that others are similarly guilty of: Lack of sharing scumreads, and lack of interest, I can't tell if he's genuinely busy though and would argue that someone like johnny has a similar style but doesn't have an excuse. I think the currently most viable options for the lords to consolidate are Onegu, yammo and johnnywup. I don't think I got them too convinced on Koshi. Of those available I endorse both a yammo and a johnnywup lynch. Oberyn's points from his pm traffic seem very strong and so far I don't recall yammo fighting back to those properly, which is not townie from someone I would expect to be more headstrong. Johnny is scummy for reasons that I hopefully clarified for everyone. Onegu is an okayish lynch but not the best in my opinion, I'd give him some time to see if his claim of being busy is legit. In that case his activity should pick up.
Soft defend of FT, check. Trying to shift focus back to Onegu at a time when the wagon is leaving him, check.
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I don't understand wtf is going on right now. The only thing I'm certain of is it was intended I be lord. We decided to vote me b/c we thought it very likely rayne would die.
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On August 11 2013 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:32 Ace wrote:
I voted for Risen. Explain to me why it is a big deal. Because his scumreads are really weird and he hasnt done anything outside that. Why did you vote for Risen?
He wasn't supposed to. Was supposed to vote for rayne in case I was killed so we would have a lord.
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On August 11 2013 18:18 Ace wrote:
I was only voting for you. Rayne voted for himself to avoid that scenario.
Oh ok
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I'm inactive because today has gone wake up > invitational. I'll be back tonight after it's over.
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On August 12 2013 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
Risen what's up with your reads? Whatever happened to your first big list of fail? What are your stances these days?
Some things have changed, some haven't. Honestly I haven't read the thread much (at all) since the start of this day. I'll catch up after invitational is over.
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NAAAAAAAVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What's happening in my house hahahahahaha
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Lol, that .gif is awesome. Ok went through his filter real quick. I'm guessing we're lynching him.
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No need to ask, just do. It's looks scummy to me when people don't appear confident.
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On August 13 2013 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
"Dude you look like scum, here let me help you fix that"
as opposed to
"Dude you look like scum, you're scum!"
It's one of those things that happens so often from town it's not really an indicator, so I tell people whenever I can not to post shit like that.
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On August 13 2013 01:49 Chromatically wrote:
Risen said in PMs that Vivax was his #1 scumread, but his reasoning was pretty much only "he was noncommittal on FT". Hence why I want him to elaborate,
There's really no elaboration. I just feel like his posting indicates that he knows too much.
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On August 13 2013 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen when asked what happened to your opening giant post and what you still believe in you gave a very generic answer. Could you just like, take the 5 names you said were scum and tell us your current reads on them?
For reference:
Oats
Dl
Xata
Grack
Clarity
unsure
was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos
unsure
scum
scum
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Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.
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On August 13 2013 02:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn. The extent of what I know of your read on rayn is about the same as what I know of all your other reads: Care to elaborate?
It's not a read.
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Off to lunch, another big post incoming when I get back.
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On August 13 2013 04:03 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:On August 13 2013 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen when asked what happened to your opening giant post and what you still believe in you gave a very generic answer. Could you just like, take the 5 names you said were scum and tell us your current reads on them?
For reference:
Oats
Dl
Xata
Grack
Clarity unsure was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos unsure scum scum Hmmmm. What? Actually you thought I was scum (in big part) because I had a "connection" to DI, not the other way around. How come I know your reads better than you do yourself.....?
Back and negative. He was only first in the post because his filter is first on the front page post.
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That's not a connection at all. That was pure speculation and the point would have been made regardless of my case against DI. That was simply me calling out you for having such a useless post.
I'm twisting nothing, you just simply aren't understanding.
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On August 13 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen where's your promised giant post after lunch?
Building it while simultaneously keeping up with PMs and such. Currently reading filters and sorting things.
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I don't think meta will be a good indicator for a case on me folks. I haven't played in a looooong time.
And you're still not seeing the point of what you bolded Xata. If you had responded to anyone else like that my response would have been the same.
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EBWOP: I swear in a previous game I got into an argument about what is and isn't a contradiction that took up way too much time. To save time, I'll make this final post on the matter...
Replace Dandel Ion in Koshi's post with any other person in this game. You respond with, "Oh XYZ... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post?" and I say the exact same thing replacing Dandel Ion with XYZ. Are you making this useless post distancing yourself from XYZ for when XYZ flips scum?
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about Xata.
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EBWOP: Nvm I think you mean this and you're beginning to make sense
"was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos
unsure"
Right?
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I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post.
Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before?
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On August 13 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 04:44 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: Nvm I think you mean this and you're beginning to make sense
"was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos
unsure"
Right? Yes. 1) You never based your scumread on DI to any connection. 2) Even if you did, there were plenty of other reasons in your post. There's no consistent town logic here.
What is town logic? Acting to benefit town and hunt scum is the only "logic" there should be. That only applies to how the individual is thinking at any given time. Too often people in these games get wrapped up in, "oh I can't see why he would do that" without realizing they only see the game from one perspective.
Every town player will act in what he thinks benefits town most at any given time. Any scum player will try to appear as town as possible, and will therefor attempt to emulate your "town logic". I can not understand people who make arguments based on town logic and town motivation. "Where's the scum motivation in X doing Y"? Well maybe X did Y so you would say that.
I'm going back to building my cases.
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Okie dokie big post incoming. I thought it would be similar to my last post, but everything I have pales in comparison to my case against Sharrant and, by a REAL connection, Acro.
The whole thing with rayne was an attempt at getting the thread to react. Everyone reacted, and I was going to use those reactions in my cases, but then I stumbled upon this. So I'm sorry for wasting people's time.
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Sharrant
I don't know why I didn't see some really scummy things from Sharrant earlier. I was possibly tunneling my initial scum reads. Plus he's a claimed one shot cop.
Regardless... + Show Spoiler +On August 10 2013 02:34 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:27 Oberyn wrote:
I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes.
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity.
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one.
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread.
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs.
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment. Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages.
I crucified FT for just the same thing. Just because FT flipped town doesn't mean what he did was right. Similarly, what Sharrant is doing here is posting filler and trying to "get the thread back on track" without actually getting the thread back on track. You know what gets the thread back on track? You posting your thoughts on Acro and then asking for other people's opinions. What's the hardest thing for scum to do? Hunt for scum. Did Sharrant hunt scum anywhere at all this game through day 1? No. Instead we have him jump on the wagon and do nothing of any use. + Show Spoiler +On August 10 2013 10:21 Sharrant wrote:
The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes.
I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house.
Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation.
I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets.
So how does someone get their cred back? A "cop check". Despite a complete lack of scum hunting through d1, what is one way to "confirm" yourself green? A one shot red check on someone who appears scummy to the thread and is likely going to be shot. I've bussed the shit out of scum buddies before, it works. The buildup to a fake claim. + Show Spoiler +On August 11 2013 15:06 Sharrant wrote:
At any rate, here's reason that you should've picked up on big time already. That whole argument with you at the beginning of the game was not Yamato playing as a townie. I watched you two basically get each other killed arguing with each other as town last time I played with both of you. Yamato has acted very similarly to how he has there, with the exception that he was always driving to make a point or do something useful last game. He was very disruptive, and frustrating, but purposeful and his actions had merit.
In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play.
He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times?
Where is this case coming from? Why didn't you have this yesterday before we were lynching FT? You certainly didn't have any reservations, and even as a cop trying to lay low you should have given some sort of justification.
Now for the reveal. + Show Spoiler +On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.
How this reads to me...
"Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!"
If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I don't know how it has slipped by the thread, but the final thing that bugs me about this post is how he says yamato is someone who was relatively out of the spotlight. I guarantee you ask anyone in this game or watching about a major event d1 and they'll say oats/yamato was something worth remembering.
I don't think this works with a town acro, and it makes me really suspicious that Sharrant comes to the defense of Acro here + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 23:25 Sharrant wrote:
@oats/acro
I think we can agree that waiting would have been the ideal move rather than outing me publicly. Outing me to the thread doesn't seem scum motivated to me though. Oats, you're chasing sub optimal play as if it were scum oriented play.
Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords.
Acro's handling of the situation is bad if he is scum, and acceptable but sub optimal as town. At worst that he revealed is null, at best it's kind of townie.
@koshi
Why would you even ask that? You've also discounted all the possibilities of a vig that is not instant kill. What if he too only has one kp? What if he has 3? Why haven't you discussed that? Why assume he has anywhere around the 7ish we knew were required to kill gum shoe?
That hypothetical he weaves for acro's scum oriented play is just plain wrong as I've already explained. Now that Sharrant is "confirmed" and has sufficiently defended acro without going overboard, he slips away back into lurker land. Why do that if your one shot is gone? Why do that if you're still an active cop and just faking one shot? Scum already has to kill you they can't risk you getting more checks off if you're lying about one shot. Why? Because you're scum and you're not worried about getting night killed.
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So in my mind the lynch needs to be Yamato and the shots need to be fired at Sharrant.
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On August 13 2013 05:47 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:42 Risen wrote:SharrantI don't know why I didn't see some really scummy things from Sharrant earlier. I was possibly tunneling my initial scum reads. Plus he's a claimed one shot cop. Regardless... + Show Spoiler +On August 10 2013 02:34 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:27 Oberyn wrote:
I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes.
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity.
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one.
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread.
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs.
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment. Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages. I crucified FT for just the same thing. Just because FT flipped town doesn't mean what he did was right. Similarly, what Sharrant is doing here is posting filler and trying to "get the thread back on track" without actually getting the thread back on track. You know what gets the thread back on track? You posting your thoughts on Acro and then asking for other people's opinions. What's the hardest thing for scum to do? Hunt for scum. Did Sharrant hunt scum anywhere at all this game through day 1? No. Instead we have him jump on the wagon and do nothing of any use. + Show Spoiler +On August 10 2013 10:21 Sharrant wrote:
The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes.
I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house.
Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation.
I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets.
He suggests shooting yamato or nacho, but nacho's the stronger choice. Why? Where has he mentioned nacho at ALL up to this point? Where does he mention nacho again? Nowhere. No justification, no anything. Just him trying to shift shots from yamato to nacho. So how does someone get their cred back? A "cop check". Despite a complete lack of scum hunting through d1, what is one way to "confirm" yourself green? A one shot red check on someone who appears scummy to the thread and is likely going to be shot. I've bussed the shit out of scum buddies before, it works. The buildup to a fake claim. + Show Spoiler +On August 11 2013 15:06 Sharrant wrote:
At any rate, here's reason that you should've picked up on big time already. That whole argument with you at the beginning of the game was not Yamato playing as a townie. I watched you two basically get each other killed arguing with each other as town last time I played with both of you. Yamato has acted very similarly to how he has there, with the exception that he was always driving to make a point or do something useful last game. He was very disruptive, and frustrating, but purposeful and his actions had merit.
In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play.
He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times? Where is this case coming from? Why didn't you have this yesterday before we were lynching FT? You certainly didn't have any reservations, and even as a cop trying to lay low you should have given some sort of justification. Now for the reveal. + Show Spoiler +On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member. How this reads to me... "Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!" If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I don't know how it has slipped by the thread, but the final thing that bugs me about this post is how he says yamato is someone who was relatively out of the spotlight. I guarantee you ask anyone in this game or watching about a major event d1 and they'll say oats/yamato was something worth remembering. I don't think this works with a town acro, and it makes me really suspicious that Sharrant comes to the defense of Acro here + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 23:25 Sharrant wrote:
@oats/acro
I think we can agree that waiting would have been the ideal move rather than outing me publicly. Outing me to the thread doesn't seem scum motivated to me though. Oats, you're chasing sub optimal play as if it were scum oriented play.
Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords.
Acro's handling of the situation is bad if he is scum, and acceptable but sub optimal as town. At worst that he revealed is null, at best it's kind of townie.
@koshi
Why would you even ask that? You've also discounted all the possibilities of a vig that is not instant kill. What if he too only has one kp? What if he has 3? Why haven't you discussed that? Why assume he has anywhere around the 7ish we knew were required to kill gum shoe? That hypothetical he weaves for acro's scum oriented play is just plain wrong as I've already explained. Now that Sharrant is "confirmed" and has sufficiently defended acro without going overboard, he slips away back into lurker land. Why do that if your one shot is gone? Why do that if you're still an active cop and just faking one shot? Scum already has to kill you they can't risk you getting more checks off if you're lying about one shot. Why? Because you're scum and you're not worried about getting night killed. Lol. So we should kill the claimed cop who gave us scum on a silver platter? Think again.
Did you even read it....
On August 13 2013 05:49 Oberyn wrote:
lol I just wasted 30 minutes looking through PMs from rayn looking for connections from a "confirmed scum" -_-
Sorry about that!
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On August 13 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
Someone other than us two answer this. Does anyone think I could possibly be more wishy-washy than Acro? Even a single person?
Anyone who reads the filter will tell you Acro is softer. Whether this is a product of the RP or not is another thing entirely. I don't like how Acro defended me just now, especially in conjunction with my case on Shar.
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I don't know why I haven't done this yet.
##vote: yamato77
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On August 13 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen your case has some valid points. Yamato had a pretty big chance of getting lynched so it could be a bus.
That said, you're bending some stuff to make your case more convincing.
For example, why wouldn't a regular cop (not 1 shot) claim 1 shot cop? Gives you a (small) chance at another check.
I don't see a reason to lynch him d3. If he's town he'll die to scum eventually or scum will have to waste (or withhold) roleblocks on him.
I'm more interested in your scumread on me and grack. Could you (possibly in less than 4 paragraphs) explain them please?
They may or may not be nonexistent now that I've actually read the filters...
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I think you're all off your rockers this is ridiculous. No cop does what Sharr is doing. Shar wants us to believe he told an unconfirmed Acro on n1 he was any sort of cop? What?!?! If that isn't the largest red flag his explanation after that is so riddled with absurdity makes it absolutely clear. Lynch yamato, shoot shar and if he flips red we lynch acro...
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Previous post was made prior to seeing clarity's.
If shar isn't the nk then he should absolutely be the lynch tomorrow barring something unusual during the night. What is one thing sharr has done this entire game beyond giving us yamato?
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Pro-tip: He knows it sounds bullshit but has information the rest of thread doesn't (speculation)
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On August 13 2013 05:40 Risen wrote:
Okie dokie big post incoming. I thought it would be similar to my last post, but everything I have pales in comparison to my case against Sharrant and, by a REAL connection, Acro.
The whole thing with rayne was an attempt at getting the thread to react. Everyone reacted, and I was going to use those reactions in my cases, but then I stumbled upon this. So I'm sorry for wasting people's time.
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That was quite the active night. Easy lynch today. They would have killed me if I was wrong.
##vote: Sharrant
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So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch.
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On August 15 2013 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Risen for fucks sake. We are not going to elect you as a lord any more in this game.
THIS IS WHY I WANNA GET ELECTED! So that i can actually talk with people.
You are talking to people. Just in an open manner where everyone can read it. This erratic behavior is why I didn't want you elected lord. I don't trust you with a shot.
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Also, sab clearly scum. Hedging himself against sharrant's eventual red flip, while simultaneously calling me out as scum even though I'm the one saving town when sharrant had no one looking through his filter, apparently, since I'm the only one who called out the giant gaping hole in his logic.
To be fair, that's probably in line with my scum "meta" or some inane nonsense. I hate meta so much...... it's absurd. People become aware of their metas and then act accordingly. What's my town meta? Is it any different than my scum meta? I always try to find scummy things in thread and point them out regardless of my alignment.
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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I was definitely referring to the post where you try to shift attention away from FT, Vivax. I've been talking about Vivax in PMs with people, just not in thread, because he isn't nearly as scummy as Sharrant.
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On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me.
How convenient.
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Assumption: It's d4 after a Sharrant lynch and he flipped blue. Sharrant isn't scum and all the random shit he has posted is true and he's a horrible player who trusted Acro then admitted to the thread openly how bad a player he was and how illogical a thinker he is. I can work with this. I'm always talking about how people don't always act logically from your perspective.
Assumption holds true: Find the people defending Sharrant the hardest just like I defended blue VE during a d1 lynch when I was scum.
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On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town?
Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this?
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On August 15 2013 02:46 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:42 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town? Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this? Because it makes zero sense whatsoever from a town perspective?
Why not? I had scum reads, they weren't exactly strong, but they were scum reads. I moved on because I found something else, and now I've moved on because I've once again found something else.
The end.
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On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right?
The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant.
##unvote
##vote: Acrofales
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On August 15 2013 02:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah about that. I have a townread on acro. I'm warming up to an snb lynch though Risen. How do you feel about that?
Iamp had a town read, too. So assuming I'm horribly wrong and I'm just not seeing it (has happened before)
I'm down for lynching Vivax or SnB. Vivax is just rehashing my shit. SnB supports my arguments to lynch Sharrant while simultaneously pushing me.
Anyone see anything wrong with this?
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On August 15 2013 02:57 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:51 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:46 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 02:42 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town? Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this? Because it makes zero sense whatsoever from a town perspective? Why not? I had scum reads, they weren't exactly strong, but they were scum reads. I moved on because I found something else, and now I've moved on because I've once again found something else. The end. The problem isn't changing reads, it's the lack of reasoning behind them. What do you think about Vivax now?
I've had a reason behind every one of my changes. Just because you disagree with my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have one. It's a mistake a lot of people make, so don't feel bad.
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On August 15 2013 03:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:54 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right? The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant. ##unvote
##vote: Acrofales /facepalm Risen: GAIS. I HAVE A CONNECTION CASE THAT MAKES ACRO SCUM Guys: But you're connecting him to an unflipped guy who is probably town Risen: HRMM, MAYBE. BUT LETS LYNCH HIM AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONNECTION BACKWARDS! Question: what happens when I flip town? Where does this connection go? Honestly, I thought you were town, but could you be bamboozling me as badly as you did in CT? I mean. Your reads have made 0 sense this game. Nothing, nada, zip. I keep coming out on you being town because I don't think a scum you would go after the cop, but honestly, insane ballsy plays are not beyond your scumplay. In fact, they seem to define your scumplay: - Flipflopping your vote 1 minute before the lynch - Claiming parity cop on random people Honestly, I have no clue what to think about you anymore.
This is my biggest problem with believing Acro is town. To disagree with me on my scum read of Sharrant and by connection him is one thing, but to give no merit to a case that has solid things that need answering is another.
If he honestly believed I was scum he would push me and vote for me, but he knows I'm town and doesn't want to be the one to do it. There's a few people in this game pushing me but not putting their foot down and tunneling. I think it's a scumspiracy and they're just waiting for a town player to tunnel so they can pounce.
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Xatalos just scum slipped in PMs.
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On August 15 2013 03:18 Vivax wrote:
Risen, answer the question please.
Which question?
And as to the nature of the scumslip, Xatalos has been in PMs with me for a while now soft defending Shar. I don't really think anything of it and I'm trying to bring him around to seeing Shar as scum. Nothing truly sticks out, I think he's just trying to gain perspective on me. He then tells me in PM that Shar's claimed 2 PM ability is simply house PMs. House have 3 people. The 2 PM ability isn't house PMs or it would be 3. ggnore
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He also just tried to backtrack saying clearly he meant two people other than Acro. That isn't even remotely close if you read the actual post Sharrant made.
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Oh fuck me... the post in question
On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing.
I can't read.
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Taking a break that was so bad it ruins the credibility of my case I've made. Shit on my life...
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Hahaha oh man this game is so torched. Obs is probably going nuts. I blame this on my just coming back after such a long break. Post-game I'm going to catch a lot of flak, and a lot of it is probably deserved.
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On August 15 2013 04:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You fucking called me out on D2 for "not doing shit". Now you are calling me out for not doing shit. I wanted to be lord on D2, i wanted to be lord on D3. If i had not consolidated our house would have not a lord at all. wtf are you talking about Acro. You are full of shit. Maybe if you did shit, I wouldn't call you out for not doing shit. Still waiting for Risen's assessment of you. You claim to have PM'd a lot with him, but he hasn't responded. Maybe you did really want to be lord and were just being cockblocked. Why can't you stand up to a bully like Risen? Seems pretty simple from where I'm standing.
I wasn't being a bully, I just didn't trust rayn. Rayn saw the logic in this and allowed for me to be lord. That doesn't make him town and it doesn't make him scum.
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I'll back a SnB lynch.
##vote: strongandbig
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On August 15 2013 04:38 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:59 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 15 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 03:32 Xatalos wrote:
I was just going to say that Risen is basically mentally retarded. There's no way anyone sane could think I was scum from our exchange. Like what? I'm starting to lose faith in humanity and most of all in Risen's ability to think at all. On August 15 2013 03:35 Xatalos wrote:
But it does feel like he truly believed that so it's not really scummy. Just unbelievably dumb. Like totally ridiculous in every imaginable fashion. "Too dumb to be scum".... Not sure. He's taking that so far, is it intentional...... To be honest I doubt it. That's just such a great amount of stupid. What a nice person you are. Throw insults and then give him a townread, is that advancedz scumz tacticz? lol i do that all the time as town i may add. You are (far) more useless than usual. You scum, bro? you know, you could check MA META and find the answer out easily instead of softpushing me all the time.
How about instead of relying on meta you just scumhunt meta be damned.
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On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro.
This seems like something you cherry picked to sit on instead of coming up with it on your own. That's pretty scummy.
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On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town.
Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case.
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On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?).
Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes?
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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- Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him.
- Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place?
- About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf?
- You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes?
You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him?
Wait what? My vote is on SnB.
On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:Look, Xatalos. My question regarding your (suddenly not any more?) scumread, of which you fail to understand why he would attack you like that (although he's your scumread you don't see scummy intentions?). Can you answer this or will you post some more insults, lols and rofls, great lord of house shitvotes? On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:
I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this:
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So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) On August 15 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
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Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless.
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I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point.
Onwards to the Mocsta case.
- I agree that jrkirby was scummy
- You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing
- At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused)
Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier). - Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him. - Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place? - About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf? - You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes? You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!!
I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so.
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^I don't know what was scummy about my d1 play, please link the case detailing what you thought was scummy to me. Also please explain why my actions d2 and today have been scummy.
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On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions?
your other answers fall into the category:
[quote] From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that.
I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false.
1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI.
2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection.
It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.)
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I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him.
I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind.
The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i?
Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered.
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On August 13 2013 01:46 Chromatically wrote:
Risen can you explain your read on Vivax?
I don't like how he seems to know who's town and who isn't. My reasoning hasn't changed over the course of the game as he continues to defend me with things that aren't defenses and sheeps what I say about Shar.
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On August 15 2013 05:32 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:27 Risen wrote:
^I don't know what was scummy about my d1 play, please link the case detailing what you thought was scummy to me. Also please explain why my actions d2 and today have been scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19495357since then: you've been focusing basically entirely on sharrant. Your initial reasons were mostly bad, and when sharrant answered them you ignored his answers and continued to tunnel him, and me and acro largely because of the connection case with sharrant. it's scummy because your ignoring his answers, and focusing on connections before he flips, make it more likely to be a convenient way to "remain consistent" and have some thread presence without having to actually hunt scum in a meaningful way.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but Sharrant's defense was basically "no scum would do things that I have done". I would, so I don't see why he wouldn't. He followed this with "Oh I covered my ass with Acro in case he was scum by giving him two targets and telling him I was choosing the one I didn't check thereby giving Acro a chance to WIFOM his way to defending the right person". No. A town cop doesn't give him that chance. A town cop with a town read asks Acro about two different people he has no chance of checking, and then asks for that town reads personal opinion. Then he weighs the response and makes his checks very quietly. God... this is all based upon a town cop even asking someone he doesn't have confirmed as town who he should check. NO TOWN COP DOES THIS ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME!!!
Who does that? I have never, ever, ever, ever, EVER seen a cop ask a non cops opinion on who he should check unless they were confirmed town. ESPECIALLY when if Acro were to be scum Shar would just die. He'd be dead, that's it, that's the end of it.
It isn't "Oh Sharrant came to the thread after not telling anybody about his one shot and claiming a red check."
It's "Sharrant came to the thread after asking another person he hadn't checked who he should check AT NIGHT WHEN HE HAS NO IDEA IF HE'S GOING TO LIVE OR NOT"
Who knows they're going to live through the night? SCUM. Shit this doesn't even bring Acro into it as being a scum buddy like my last scenario did. It make Acro look pretty damn bad since how the hell didn't he think of this as town. That's the first fuckin thing I would think of if someone asked me who they should check. I'd be thinking, "Wait a fuckin second, why is a cop asking me this shit at night when I could be scum? Am I about to become Sharrant's town-confirmer while he busses a teammate?"
Fuck the WIFOM "bomb" Sharrant is defending himself with. There's no answer he could possibly give that would convince me he was town. Nothing. So if you other lords want to fuckin hang yourselves fine. But I'm done with this.
He's so clearly scum it fucking hurts. Fuck my vote on SnB.
##unvote
##vote: Sharrant
Sharrant is a pretty clean and cut scum team member. No one in this thread has scum slipped, so unless someone wants to come into the thread and claim red it's staying there. The end.
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On August 15 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case you meant D1 lynch you know what my & iamps thought process was.
We also decided the Lord KP targets because noone was giving shit about anything.
I cared about night shots d1 and even had a list of people I'd like to see shot. Saying no one was giving a shit about anything isn't true, and skews how the day actually went.
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On August 15 2013 10:49 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:34 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't?
To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:
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From iamperfection's last will:
"Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though."
I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i? Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered. Also, his was posted when Risen was voting snb. Does this sound like someone talking to their scumread to you?
Yes. Always give people the opportunity to talk. Worst case your view stays the same. Best case a now town read talks you out of lynching them.
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And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try?
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On August 15 2013 11:08 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 10:49 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 05:34 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:
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seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
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I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant?
I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive.
It's time to increase the pressure.
##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i? Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered. Also, his was posted when Risen was voting snb. Does this sound like someone talking to their scumread to you? Yes. Always give people the opportunity to talk. Worst case your view stays the same. Best case a now town read talks you out of lynching them. Still reading, but this is not what you said. You said you wanted to keep talking so his read on YOU might change, not so your read on him might change.
What...
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That's the exact same thing...
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You're not that dense, so I'm going to let you figure it out on your own.
^is what I typed out and almost hit post. I'm going to explain it because I've been continuously reminded of my own advice this game that not everyone thinks the way you do.
Him talking to me to change my view is the same as me talking to him to change his view. People should always be given the chance to talk and be heard so that views can continually be evolving.
I feel like I've been giving clinic after clinic this game. Not necessarily my gameplay, but all the advice I've given on how to play as town.
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On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things
They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you.
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On August 15 2013 11:27 s0Lstice wrote:
no.
if you think he is scum, which you must have since you were voting him, then you shouldn't give two shits about what his read on you is. make sense?
'my dearest scum read...I'm concerned with your read on me even though I think you're scum and your reads are therefore bullshit.'
so either you don't care what his read on you is, or your vote was a sham because you didn't actually think he was scum.
I agree that townies should keep talking to their scum reads to make sure they have it right, but I don't see a townie approaching this by being concerned with how his scumread is supposedly reading him.
You can't ignore anyone in this game. You should care what everyone's read on you is. I don't know he's scum. I also don't know who he influences in this game. Not responding to cases is stupid. I know you're not stupid. Obs is still laughing at you.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Sharrant said he gave Acro the option of Kush or yamato of who to check. He didn't just straight ask for advice on who to check. When you're saying something and another person says no it didn't happen like that you should very quickly run over your facts and double check them or you end up looking like an idiot in the thread. Just look what happened to me earlier today with Xatalos. At least I caught myself before I had made a complete ass of myself like you, though.
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On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him.
Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story.
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EBWOP: First post responded to the top, second to the bottom. My bad on that one.
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Hahaha oh man how bad am I, though. This is awesome. Two times in one game!
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On August 15 2013 11:52 Chromatically wrote:
So Risen, what do you think about Sharrant now?
I honestly don't know man... I had thought this entire time Shar went to Acro asking him what he thought of those two. I guess my mind saw the whole "I had them in mind" part and melded it into Shar shooting out the first two suggestions.
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
QUERIES
here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen.
This is what I've been trying to defend Rayn with. It's one of those things that feels scummy b/c town don't know who other townies are, and it came to me when it first happened, but I don't think it's indicative of alignment at all.
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On August 15 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote:
Hmm yeah I misread ok about majority. My bad
There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord
I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord.
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On August 15 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 12:20 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 12:19 Mocsta wrote:
Hmm yeah I misread ok about majority. My bad
There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord. Well that aligns with what rayn said But above someone said. U were ok with him Regardless u are one vote of 4 And didn't have a good cred in the thread I see no reason for rayn to relinquish so easily It's not like oberyn was fighting him to be lord
Not having good cred in the thread isn't the same as not having good thread in the house. Also, voting for lord comes down to voting for someone you think is town. The people of my house have consistently thought I was town since N0. Well... not FT at the end, but I think he might have been lashing out at me for being the one to get him lynched.
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On August 15 2013 13:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? No. He said "dude, I'm a cop. Who should I check?" (paraphrasing, duh) Shit. I was going to ignore you. Failed already
Wait until you get farther in man... it gets dark for me...
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On August 15 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 23:56 Mocsta wrote:On August 15 2013 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta, DI, Chrom, Sharrant and 1/2 of the active posters.
I could give reasons for all of them. Pls do. I thought reasons woudl be self explanatory. DI/Chrom have been terrorising our House. Both have townreads from everybody but I can see it happen. Sharrant because I like Risen and his case.And then there will be active players that are capable to be scum. (Clarity rayn Xatalos Acro) I need to travel home because it is 1700 but that is the short version.
Clearly hasn't been reading the thread. Scum?
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So we're going to ignore the whole Koshi supporting a case that has been debunked thing clearly proving he's just spouting nonsense so he can appear active in thread?
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I'd rather kill Vivax over SnB, folks. Too much willingness to kill SnB and he has literally had like 0 defenders the entire game. Lot of Vivax apologists, though.
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##unvote
##vote: Vivax
Final answer? Maybe... :/
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I'll be shooting Koshi, so I don't think it matters when I shoot. Just put me in a slot.
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Damn I loved SSB-64.
[05/07/2012 14:53:20] Andrew Koster: i mean.. .in GoT people were so convinced I was town, that after he got a red check the vote was unanimous on him
[05/07/2012 14:54:17] Andrew Koster: if he learned to control his rage and angst i think he'd be a really good player
[05/07/2012 14:54:24] Andrew Koster: but he always gets lynched by town
[05/07/2012 14:54:38] Cephiro TL Mafia: Looks like it.
[05/07/2012 14:54:47] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: yeah, it's a shame though
[05/07/2012 14:54:50] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: we were pretty much confirmed town
[05/07/2012 14:54:55] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: without Risen interfering
[05/07/2012 14:55:09] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yep. But seriously, if I was a townie I'd lynch him
[05/07/2012 14:55:16] Cephiro TL Mafia: He hasn't done anything really townie-like
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On August 16 2013 06:15 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 06:13 Risen wrote:
I'll be shooting Koshi, so I don't think it matters when I shoot. Just put me in a slot. A bad and wasted choice. It's just 1 KP and helping scum most likely in any case. What does that achieve?
If we assume 7hp is base hp, then 1hp is rather huge wouldn't you say? (6 lords)
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EBWOP: Wait... shouldn't you know this? You're a lord... >.>
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On August 16 2013 06:19 Koshi wrote:
I don't like Risen anymore.
I understand, I just find you scummy for not reading the thread and posting. I don't think that's so hard to get, right? I hope we can still be friends :<
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On August 16 2013 06:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
Risen, how do you feel about shooting yourself?
I don't think that would be very productive. I'd rather have us shoot people to get them into lord range and lynch me. I'm going to be a very viable lynch target if Vivax flips red since I've been soft-pushing him and shit all game without actually acting, so I'm going to hang eventually. We should shoot people who aren't likely to be lynched but appear scummy down to 4/5 hp if we can tonight and then get coordinated lord shots to finish them off later depending on Vivax flip.
Shot targets tonight should be
johnnywup, Koshi, maybe SnB but he seems like another lynch candidate should Vivax flip red.
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On August 16 2013 06:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 06:23 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 06:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
Risen, how do you feel about shooting yourself? I don't think that would be very productive. I'd rather have us shoot people to get them into lord range and lynch me. I'm going to be a very viable lynch target if Vivax flips red since I've been soft-pushing him and shit all game without actually acting, so I'm going to hang eventually. We should shoot people who aren't likely to be lynched but appear scummy down to 4/5 hp if we can tonight and then get coordinated lord shots to finish them off later depending on Vivax flip. Shot targets tonight should be johnnywup, Koshi, maybe SnB but he seems like another lynch candidate should Vivax flip red. So do you agree about 1) Kush 2) johnnywup?
Kush is already in lord KP kill range I thought.
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On August 16 2013 06:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 06:25 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 06:24 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 06:23 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 06:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
Risen, how do you feel about shooting yourself? I don't think that would be very productive. I'd rather have us shoot people to get them into lord range and lynch me. I'm going to be a very viable lynch target if Vivax flips red since I've been soft-pushing him and shit all game without actually acting, so I'm going to hang eventually. We should shoot people who aren't likely to be lynched but appear scummy down to 4/5 hp if we can tonight and then get coordinated lord shots to finish them off later depending on Vivax flip. Shot targets tonight should be johnnywup, Koshi, maybe SnB but he seems like another lynch candidate should Vivax flip red. So do you agree about 1) Kush 2) johnnywup? Kush is already in lord KP kill range I thought. Let's put it like this: 1-5 EDT Xatalos 5-9 EDT Risen 9-13 EDT s0lstice 13-17 EDT Clarity 17-21 EDT Sharrant 21-1 EDT Onegu We shoot Kush until he dies. If you don't shoot him, we'll know. Because you're in second slot. When Kush flips the rest shoot into johnnywup. Agreed?
I just gave you a list of people I'd shoot. Kush was not one of those people.
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Xata seems so scummy to me and I don't know why. Can't tell whether it's anger at him for FoSing me, residual hang on from my first case, or something else. His tone seems so different going from PMland to here. I kind of want to be lynched tomorrow so my opinions on people will hold more weight, but I think they'd just get written off as useless b/c I've been quite erratic this game. Would be easy for scum to simply say he didn't have a real case look over here. Kind of what happened in SSB with me. I was super erratic and when I finally consolidated on things scum simply painted me as being crazy.
Gotta learn how to fix this in future games.
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On August 16 2013 07:27 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:22 Risen wrote:
Xata seems so scummy to me and I don't know why. I agree, but my opinion doesn't hold much weight. You could REALLY tell he was town in NWM, and here not so much. He's posting just as much...but it just doesn't feel the same.
It's just not useful posting here. I don't know about NWM, but he's so useless. I get that my reads have been flat out WRONG for various reasons, but he's just posting for posting's sake it feels like. At least I put effort into coming to reads. Sure mine get rejected (rightfully so in a lot of instances, it's a good thing Chrom came along) but what has Xata actually done this game?
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On August 16 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
OK, it's time for pure gut reads. The bolded players I think are likely town. Please don't lynch/shoot any of them unless some good reason appears later on. The rest should be purged. I'm somewhat unsure about Grackaroni, rayn, Mocsta and Sharrant, but I think they're all more likely town than scum at the moment.
Dandel Ion
Onegu
Sharrant
s0lstice
Vivax
Chromatically
Clarity_nl
Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
johnnywup
Mocsta
strongandbig
Acrofoles
kushm4sta
Risen
This post is wrong. It's just so wrong for legitimate reasons not even some far out theory I'm coming up with. Why does a townie make a post calling out his town reads for mafia to look at and shoot?
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On August 16 2013 07:42 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:34 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
OK, it's time for pure gut reads. The bolded players I think are likely town. Please don't lynch/shoot any of them unless some good reason appears later on. The rest should be purged. I'm somewhat unsure about Grackaroni, rayn, Mocsta and Sharrant, but I think they're all more likely town than scum at the moment.
Dandel Ion
Onegu
Sharrant
s0lstice
Vivax
Chromatically
Clarity_nl
Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
johnnywup
Mocsta
strongandbig
Acrofoles
kushm4sta
Risen This post is wrong. It's just so wrong for legitimate reasons not even some far out theory I'm coming up with. Why does a townie make a post calling out his town reads for mafia to look at and shoot? pretend he'd made the same post but with the bolds removed and the non-bolds put in red here like this Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
OK, it's time for pure gut reads. The bolded players I think are likely town. Please don't lynch/shoot any of them unless some good reason appears later on. The rest should be purged. I'm somewhat unsure about Grackaroni, rayn, Mocsta and Sharrant, but I think they're all more likely town than scum at the moment.
Dandel Ion
Onegu
Sharrant
s0lstice
Vivax
Chromatically
Clarity_nl
Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
johnnywup
Mocsta
strongandbig
Acrofoles
kushm4sta
Risen
If he had done that as him pointing out who he thought scum team was it would be different. There's a huge difference between casting suspicion on people and calling people town.
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And you two should simply list your thoughts on people. If you're going to die make sure people know where you stand.
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On August 16 2013 08:02 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:59 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 07:42 strongandbig wrote:On August 16 2013 07:34 Risen wrote:On August 16 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
OK, it's time for pure gut reads. The bolded players I think are likely town. Please don't lynch/shoot any of them unless some good reason appears later on. The rest should be purged. I'm somewhat unsure about Grackaroni, rayn, Mocsta and Sharrant, but I think they're all more likely town than scum at the moment.
Dandel Ion
Onegu
Sharrant
s0lstice
Vivax
Chromatically
Clarity_nl
Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
johnnywup
Mocsta
strongandbig
Acrofoles
kushm4sta
Risen This post is wrong. It's just so wrong for legitimate reasons not even some far out theory I'm coming up with. Why does a townie make a post calling out his town reads for mafia to look at and shoot? pretend he'd made the same post but with the bolds removed and the non-bolds put in red here like this On August 16 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
OK, it's time for pure gut reads. The bolded players I think are likely town. Please don't lynch/shoot any of them unless some good reason appears later on. The rest should be purged. I'm somewhat unsure about Grackaroni, rayn, Mocsta and Sharrant, but I think they're all more likely town than scum at the moment.
Dandel Ion
Onegu
Sharrant
s0lstice
Vivax
Chromatically
Clarity_nl
Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet
Koshi
johnnywup
Mocsta
strongandbig
Acrofoles
kushm4sta
Risen If he had done that as him pointing out who he thought scum team was it would be different. There's a huge difference between casting suspicion on people and calling people town. He called all but five people town. Oh no. Scum knows the 20 least suspicious people in town now they can target their night kills. Seriously this is a stupid argument.
Tbh I don't know how to refute this. I just know giving town reads is not something town-aligned people should do. Give scum reads, and your reasons for thinking they're scum, and that's it. That's what kush and johnny should do as well.
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On August 16 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
I swear to god if you don't shoot me I will read every post in this game going forward and I will prove to you that I am town.
Give me a list of people you want a read on and I will do it. Someone did it before but I don't feel like finding that part.
I think I might be too quick to give some of the town reads I gave.
Let me just say that I have played with a lot of scum snb including on his scum team and this does not look like scum snb
You have six hours to read up on people and post a case. People aren't retarded sheep, they won't shoot you if you're productive.
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On August 16 2013 08:52 kushm4sta wrote:
@risen they will still lynch me because they are scum.
About di: being hopelessly wrong doesn't make him scum. Capable of extreme laziness as town. Kush level laziness.
I have a town read on him currently due to his active early game.
Lynch you? Why would people waste a lynch on you. Lynches are for people who contribute and have scummy things found in their filter. Lord KP is for lurkers who can't be read due to not posting anything of substance.
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Grack defending a player like he knows he's town yo.
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So we're just going to believe DI's house check and take it as gospel or did I miss the part where another house confirmed.
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I def haven't shot anyone I've been claiming to shoot... ever. Shot Vivax N2 and someone I probably shouldn't have last night >.>
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Seems useless not to say anything so I shot rayn lol
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I only shot rayn as insurance for town. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
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I couldn't be a useful Lord this cycle and had to choose whether I should have no Lord or rayn Lord. Rayn Lord with a shot seemed a good compromise
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So Sharrant appears scummy and is relatively useless (in a what has this person contributed kind of way, not insulting), but gets a red check and since that guys posting is scummy we lynch him. Sharrant is still scummy but gives us another red check on someone who has somewhere around zero percent chance of being framed. That person flips green prior to our lynch today and we're not lynching him because an increasingly useless (not insulting, just mean to say DI was good according to the thread and has dropped off) DI says they used house check....
What has DI done to instill such trust? Has anyone looked at what potentially happens when a town mocsta gets lynched? Who's left alive in that house? A lone Onegu.
Regardless, you guys sit on that. Just went into johnny's filter trying to find house member list and found...
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On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote:
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirby, yamato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.
on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.
also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.
On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote:Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity
Regarding onegu
Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want
That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread.
Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do.
I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out.
Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me.
Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want.
Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider.
On phone, hope that comes through. Reads shar as scum, then can't understand why someone would think a bus was out of the realm of possibility? I doubt it.
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I know he answers it in his post, I'm saying I don't believe him.
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"Everyone is aware onegu is left alone in that house. What do you want us to do about it? It's not like scum mocsta, he killed himself. Do you think it was scum's plan for mocsta to modkill himself?"
I'm implying that one of two things is happening.
1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight.
2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house.
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So Xatalos is giving the hardest soft defenses I've ever seen. He knows too much. He's either scum defending town for that juicy cred, or scum defending scum buddies who just need one more night of triple kills.
How incredibly interesting is it that every one of my push targets has turned out to be town. Let's look over my pushes this game.
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Entrance push
Oats, DI, Xata, Grack. Only one is flipped, and he was blue.
Next up we have Clarity. Hasn't flipped.
Then FT, flipped town, though I wanted to shoot him, not lynch him.
I make a post detailing about how town should use their shots at night, get called an idiot, then we use that schedule system.
More Clarity push.
Rayn pushes don't count since I've been trying to keep him alive for a long time now.
I adjust my view on Oats, DI, Xata moving them all to unsure. Grack Clarity stay scum reads.
More Rayn push that doesn't count, was a stupid plan.
Sharrant case, had a hole in it. Thinking back hole isn't so big, why is town cop talking to someone he's unsure of. Sharrant claims it's just a bad play on his part. Red check on green mocsta says otherwise.
I say lynch needs to be yamato ("confirmed" red) shot needs to be Sharrant. Sharrant hasn't flipped.
Xatalos defends Shar with exact logic scum supporting another scum's bus would.
Xatalos asks if he's more wishy washy than Acro, he isn't. He has supriginly strong convictions for someone who's supposed to be town and not know anyone's alignment.
SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME
I can't read, so the SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME continues chugging along not knowing it's running on tracks made of paper.
Call out Vivax for rehashing my shit. He flips scum. Note I've been pushing Vivax in PM land, I think. Can't remember whether I pushed Vivax there or thread first. SnB gets pushed as well here. He hasn't flipped.
SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME turns into RISEN JUST TOPPED PREVIOUS GoT BADNESS LEVEL ABORT THREAD in regards to Xatalos scum slip. Get demoralized, drop pressure on him.
More martyring by me because I was being a little bitch.
I'm not a bully, I just don't trust Rayn 100%. No townie would with someone who's unconfirmed. (See that Shar?)
Call out DI for being useless since early game. Not really a push.
Xata makes pretty bad connection that's really easy to defend against in a thread that has so much useless posting. Xata softest push NA.
Xata makes point about SnB not scumhunting right after SnB makes a case.
I actually had a reason for pushing Vivax, Xata doesn't think I had one, but I said Vivax knows too much and I was right. SnB going apeshit b/c no one will talk to him about his case on me or Vivax. I let him know I'll address his concerns with me and he can sit on my responses.
I explain my read on Vivax. Dude knows too much. He did.
OH GOD SHARRANT TUNNEL OF FAIL WHY. Chrom point out hole in case. Much sorrow is had. I guess I was reading Shar's filter with the mindset of "this guy is scum no town would talk to Acro" and my brain made the shit fit. Reading comprehension 101 classes should be given in TL Mafia.
Talking to Mocsta about rayn.
Call out Koshi because who's supporting my case at that point? It's actually "believable" that town cop went to Acro at this point. Koshi hasn't flipped.
Call out thread for attacking SnB while saying Vivax has way too many apologists. Vote Vivax. He flips red.
Reminiscing on the times I was too crazy as town to be believed to be town and how if I was only better at this game I'd be better. Bads gonna bad, though. vOv
Xatalos has a hard on trying to get me to shoot kush, I tell him I won't. Kush flips green.
I tell thread I want Xata dead. I make a PM land push to get Xata lynched after forgetting about Vivax. Immediately correct it saying Vivax should be the lynch, but Xata really needs to die. Xata hasn't flipped.
Make post about how my reads have been flat out wrong because I've bought into the whole "Risen's reads are all wrong" hype in thread without realizing that just about everyone I push lives.
More Xata call outs.
Grack defends someone like he knows that someone is town.
We come to today.
Flipped town
Oats
FT
Flipped scum
Vivax
Unflipped
Clarity
DI
Xata
Grack
Sharrant
Acro
Koshi
So you want to explain to me how you know who's town on the unflipped list, Xata?
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On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town.
Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum.
So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been.
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1) 3 of those people haven't flipped, one was town. No one ever said why my targets were bad, it just was.
2) And then Vivax flipped red and Shar was wrong about a red check.
3) Rayn was a bad plan; Xata, SnB haven't flipped. Note how I still want Xata dead, though, and haven't made any real comments on SnB.
4) What? I've been pushing Vivax since d1 when he defended FT while trying to shift the wagon back to Onegu. I was the second of six votes on Vivax. I didn't jump on the wagon to kill him, I helped create it.
5) It was a bad time, I was really embarassed and ashamed for my play over the course of the day. You got flak because at the time you said it Chrom has completely unraveled my case and you didn't voice anything other than "yeah I support lynching Shar". That's not really giving a good reason, especially after the case gets debunked. Had you said this after it turned out Shar was giving a red check on a green target it might be worth something.
6) Seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, probably not so much.
7) That's not what it says at all. It says the scum plan assuming Shar is scum is to get Onegu alone in the house so he can either a) control it as he's on the scum team or b) they can kill him as part of the three people are dead sweep tonight.
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On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal.
It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me.
I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen.
That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top.
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Koshi you should respond, since your case is so bad (trying to twist things into a scummy light) anyone following this game is probably wondering how a townie could make it.
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On August 19 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Your targets day 1 were so obviously bad and your post was so massively big I don't think anyone could be bothered to spend 5 paragraphs explaining the obvious.
Then I guess I'll never grow as a player since I'm still sitting trying to figure out what was wrong with it. Post-game maybe hosts or obs can explain to me and help me understand.
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos?
Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me?
Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness
1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check.
2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching.
3) Cop-claim lives to d4.
4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL.
So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM.
How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto.
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:36 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal. It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me. I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen. That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top. Then I'll ask again why spend so much time analyzing your own play this game? Saying that 1) I proved I'm not as bad as xata is making me out to be! 2) Xata is scum! And then saying #1 is more important to you, 2 is just a bonus. Like wtf man.
I analyzed my play to show everyone that my pushes aren't flipping and my pushes aren't as bad as they're being painted. That's very much in line with #1, and it isn't me saying I'm not bad, it's me saying I'm not wrong.
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On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well.
Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team.
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On August 19 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto. I don't disagree with this in itself.... but this means that either sharrant has taken damage from scum or a scum ability, or DI is lying about his hp check. Both of which seem unlikely. More unlikely than a framer framing mocsta, a replacement who seems townie despite the person he replaced looking scummy/null.
How is this so far from the realm of possibility? Three people are dying tonight if things hold steady. How much longer does town really have to lynch scum and keep up with that kill rate?
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On August 19 2013 02:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:47 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well. Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team. So DI just bussed Vivax like that? Reading the rules and pointing it out?
Vivax was already the lynch target when DI did this, right?
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And DI went from lol Vivax prolly town to Vivax best lynch right now awful fast.
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On August 19 2013 02:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:51 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:50 Koshi wrote:On August 19 2013 02:47 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well. Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team. So DI just bussed Vivax like that? Reading the rules and pointing it out? Vivax was already the lynch target when DI did this, right? Maybe, but people were going to inspect his claim. DI just fucking hammered Vivax.
Really? A claimed not-town was not going to be lynched? I don't fuckin think so. DI was just jumping on the wagon for that juicy town cred.
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Scum QT: Oh shit Vivax you're fucked. How do we recover from this? I know! Vivax claim 3P and one of us will soak up some juicy town cred from this travesty. Ok team, go!
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On August 19 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:49 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto. I don't disagree with this in itself.... but this means that either sharrant has taken damage from scum or a scum ability, or DI is lying about his hp check. Both of which seem unlikely. More unlikely than a framer framing mocsta, a replacement who seems townie despite the person he replaced looking scummy/null. How is this so far from the realm of possibility? Three people are dying tonight if things hold steady. How much longer does town really have to lynch scum and keep up with that kill rate? I dunno, but you're suggesting scum made a powerplay that exposes either 3/4 of their team or their entire team (those numbers make most sense). You were already suspicious of sharrant and some people agreed last daycycle, so a fake redcheck from a scum sharrant would mean that scum think they can win this nightcycle, which seems unlikely (more likely with mocsta killing himself I guess)
More likely with mocsta killing himself is exactly true. Mocsta flips green, lords panic and don't know who to shoot (except the scum lords who just get additional lord KP so yay), next day comes up more people dead. Town chaos, scum potentially controls more houses than town or controls 2 out of 6 and needs only to convince one person to go with them. ggnore
The Mocsta premature flip fucked scum. They had this in the bag and now they're probably fuming in Scum QT about how bullshit all this is. I don't blame them.
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On August 19 2013 02:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:53 Risen wrote:
And DI went from lol Vivax prolly town to Vivax best lynch right now awful fast. How do you even know these small things but you are completely oblivious to the fact johnnywup is getting lynched which isn't a scumread of yours... Like shouldn't you be screaming to everybody that we should lynch somebody else?
I thought screaming out Shar was the clear lynch in caps was screaming to the thread to lynch somebody. It's not?
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On August 19 2013 03:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:58 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:57 Koshi wrote:On August 19 2013 02:53 Risen wrote:
And DI went from lol Vivax prolly town to Vivax best lynch right now awful fast. How do you even know these small things but you are completely oblivious to the fact johnnywup is getting lynched which isn't a scumread of yours... Like shouldn't you be screaming to everybody that we should lynch somebody else? I thought screaming out Shar was the clear lynch in caps was screaming to the thread to lynch somebody. It's not? That was after I asked you about it... I dnu about this game. But imho DI is not scum anymore... Xatalos as well. Wtf Risen?
It's not really a wtf situation. We disagree about the course scum has taken this game.
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Why are we even discussing this.
On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto.
Read those four points. Kill Shar.
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On August 19 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch.
Mocsta was the lynch 100%
Mocsta lynched, night falls. Scum kills three people strategically and vote for themselves as lords because lords are voted in by majority. If they get lord they get additional KP and vote, if they don't get lord at least in some places where there's now only two people one of whom is scum (see three strategical kills part) there's no lord and town doesn't get a vote.
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On August 19 2013 03:15 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 03:14 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch. Mocsta was the lynch 100% Mocsta lynched, night falls. Scum kills three people strategically and vote for themselves as lords because lords are voted in by majority. If they get lord they get additional KP and vote, if they don't get lord at least in some places where there's now only two people one of whom is scum (see three strategical kills part) there's no lord and town doesn't get a vote. This is all correct regardless of sharrant being scum or not.
And what made it so Mocsta was the lynch 100%
((the red check on Mocsta from Shar))
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I think that either scum already control the votes and game is over so why are we still playing, or they don't and scum have just lost. In spite of this town "victory" I think we should end it in a draw because Mocsta is a complete asshole and someone had it right earlier when they said that before you're pro-town you should be pro-game. We can discuss the not allowing of PMs post-game, but the rules were the rules and Mocsta likely would have found another way to get himself modkilled even without the posting of the PM (see: asshole).
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And there's our sixth member of the scum team Onegu. If he was town he would lynch Shar, scum he doesn't want shar lynched so their plan to control all the houses can continue. Game solved. Wrap it up boys.
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On August 19 2013 03:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:24 Onegu wrote:On August 19 2013 03:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:16 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:14 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch. Mocsta was the lynch 100% Mocsta lynched, night falls. Scum kills three people strategically and vote for themselves as lords because lords are voted in by majority. If they get lord they get additional KP and vote, if they don't get lord at least in some places where there's now only two people one of whom is scum (see three strategical kills part) there's no lord and town doesn't get a vote. This is all correct regardless of sharrant being scum or not. And what made it so Mocsta was the lynch 100% ((the red check on Mocsta from Shar)) Which could be either sharrant being scum or mocsta being framed. If there is a scum framer mocsta was the most likely target. You're talking in circles. How do you feel about an onegu lynch? Jeez why would I make the grack case as scum? And you made a incorrect statement I showed you were wrong. Besides grack is scum, and the first point is more about him throwing shit back at the person who called him out instead of just scum hunting, and ignoreing the person who hadnt done much. Yeah you're right, scum don't ever make cases, my mistake. Good argument. Im saying why put myself out there. If I am scum I say little become a lord and win the game. There are so many lurkers now I could just blend into the crowd and use the power I will get d5.
Except you can't do that now that Sharrant has been exposed. You could have done that with mocsta being lynched. Can't do that anymore.
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On August 19 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 03:31 Onegu wrote:On August 19 2013 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:24 Onegu wrote:On August 19 2013 03:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:16 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 03:14 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@Risen I actually like the thoughts you had of the possibility of a DI,Sharrant,Acro scum team but that seems like a lot of risks for a scum team to make when there was no chance this was going to be the final lynch. Mocsta was the lynch 100% Mocsta lynched, night falls. Scum kills three people strategically and vote for themselves as lords because lords are voted in by majority. If they get lord they get additional KP and vote, if they don't get lord at least in some places where there's now only two people one of whom is scum (see three strategical kills part) there's no lord and town doesn't get a vote. This is all correct regardless of sharrant being scum or not. And what made it so Mocsta was the lynch 100% ((the red check on Mocsta from Shar)) Which could be either sharrant being scum or mocsta being framed. If there is a scum framer mocsta was the most likely target. You're talking in circles. How do you feel about an onegu lynch? Jeez why would I make the grack case as scum? And you made a incorrect statement I showed you were wrong. Besides grack is scum, and the first point is more about him throwing shit back at the person who called him out instead of just scum hunting, and ignoreing the person who hadnt done much. Yeah you're right, scum don't ever make cases, my mistake. Good argument. Im saying why put myself out there. If I am scum I say little become a lord and win the game. There are so many lurkers now I could just blend into the crowd and use the power I will get d5. Interesting. So if you are scum and become a lord on D5 you "just win the game". How is that?
See my post on strategic night kills.
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On August 19 2013 03:51 Onegu wrote:
When I flip town and there if the game isnt over/in scum hands look how fast koshi jumped on the lynch onegu train and off shar.
Why the martyr? Don't be stupid, the clear lynch is Shar. We're at an effective Mylo/Lylo here.
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Man what a bad game for me 
Feels so good to be back, though!
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And yeah I totally forgot to send in my night KP n2 in spite of the fact that I voted... and then I shot Dandel Ion n3...
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Damn I'm bad. I hate playing as town.
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I tried getting rayn killed a lot this game. In PMs I kept assuring him I totally wasn't trying to get him killed, but I was :< (I'm pretty sure he saw through me easily)
I didn't even have a strong scum read on him, I just wanted him dead since he could at any time shut down the lord vote and KP. I fuckin hated the lord shit in this game, though. Holy shit limited PM game + overlord mechanic was frustrating.
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And yeah through it all Rayn was such a cool bud in PMs. You have no idea how guilty I was feeling lobbying for your demise in PMs and shit... T_T
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No way Xata didn't do anything wrong in PMs with me lol. I was like a rabid dog d2/d3.
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It really is a shame the game ended last night since Rayn effectively claimed scum in PMs to me last night rofl. Not that I would have done anything about it if Shar was still alive.
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