GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

On August 08 2013 15:05 yamato77 wrote:

Me knowing your reads on players in your own house who you have PM contact with doesn't help me?

Think for a second, Oats, this isn't difficult.

On August 08 2013 14:37 yamato77 wrote:

this might mean more if you tell us who is in your house

On August 08 2013 15:10 yamato77 wrote:

How am I supposed to evaluate your alignment if I don't know your reads?

lol, umad.

On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:

Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful.

On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote:

I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them.

Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding?

On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:

Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me?

For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really.

On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:

Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me?

On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote:

I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information.

On August 08 2013 15:49 yamato77 wrote:

And you obviously don't so why were you so insistent that I should tell town who was in my house?

Nothing that you've said makes sense, Oats. I'm not a hypocrite. I want information, and you keep dodging giving it for.. what reason exactly?

On August 08 2013 16:05 yamato77 wrote:
This sentiment is so anti-town it has to be scum motivated.

On August 08 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote:
Since we're playing a hypothetical game of mafia, let's consider the very real possibility that scum have already figured out who is in what house.

What use is hiding now?

On August 08 2013 16:31 yamato77 wrote:

You're a distraction.

On August 08 2013 16:37 yamato77 wrote:

Because all you've done is insist on stifling my attempts at getting any sort of read on you whatsoever.

On August 08 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:
I still don't know a single read of yours.

On August 08 2013 16:55 yamato77 wrote:

Your "townreads" as a scum could be useful if I decide that lynching you is the best option day 1.

If you're town, it could also be useful in getting a read on those players early, since you have had time to talk with them and they probably haven't even posted yet.

On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie

Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you.

On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only.

On August 08 2013 19:54 Koshi wrote:

I meant how the person in your house got elected.
Your first scumread in Titanic was on a town that you pushed till the end.
Then you found a "townslip" on an actual scum that we suspected and managed to get that scum enough towncred so he didn't get lynched day 1.

Now in this game you say that your entire house is town and that we should just trust you on it.

That's hilarious.

On August 08 2013 20:02 Koshi wrote:

Who is the best lord in our house in your opinion?

On August 08 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote:

Ok I agree.

But at this point we are not doing normal scumhunting. Everybody is discussing the houses while we are not allowed to mention the members in the houses. At this point we can't do any scumhunting at all.

On August 08 2013 20:54 Koshi wrote:

This game started on page 22? In the remaining 5 pages I see Yamato&Oats shitting up the thread. johnnywup&Oats being superdefenisve about their house without sharing any reads. Onegu seems to try to avert thread direction to House Baratheon , just like johnnywup tried to do so by using Robert Baratheon as 3P example. The Lannisters shared their reads and I did the same for my House.

That's everything that happened in 6 hours unless I missed something.

On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:
Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it:

You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you.

On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:


1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit".
2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20.
3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread.
4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice.

Here is my first real scumread.

On August 08 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote:

Do you think Yamato is a Blackfyre sympathist?

On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:

And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad.

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.

On August 08 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because we canthen talk about your interaction with them, which will lead to:
1) Other opinions of if you all are town or not.
2) If we come to conclusion you are most likely all town, we have by process of elimination eliminated 4 suspects -> much higher chance of scum being elsewhere.

Now you saying "they´re all town" leads us nowhere. Not in finding mafia and not in proving anyone´s innocence.

On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don´t think this is the right way to think about it. The game does not work in the way that i say "X is town" and when people ask me "why" i say "i don´t wanna discuss my townreads" and everyone should take me at face value.

But you are right, the discussion is going nowhere as we cleraly have different opinion here.
Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu?

On August 09 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I read all of this and i´m like wtf?
I am clueless..

On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:

So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative?

On August 09 2013 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy.

On August 09 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote:
he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out.

On August 09 2013 15:19 johnnywup wrote:
I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you?

It's scummy to think there's a 3p?

On August 09 2013 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum?

On August 09 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:

Oats DID NOT PUT HIS THOUGHTS clearly in this thread. What kind of bullshit is that? He currently has 5 townreads. 3 members of his house because they are "nice and shit", DI because "he is agressive and shit" and Acro because his constructed posts are constructed.

I don't see why everybody thinks Oats is town.

I am not angry at Oats, he is however trying really hard to do so. Why are the first 2 not relevant? Oats is actually capable to make cases, so him just commenting on his townreads like that is bad play or scumplay. Why would he call me scum if I am right about him shitting up the thread? Doesn't he see that he is doing it? Instead he keeps doing these things like asking me questions that are so wrong that I just have to respond to them.

On August 10 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I said that, it´s in OP.

On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, people I want to lynch:

jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres.

FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting.

Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch.

I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now.

On August 10 2013 12:59 iamperfection wrote:

shut up
no it isn't
read the thread

On August 10 2013 13:02 iamperfection wrote:

tell me what you see here oats

On August 10 2013 13:16 iamperfection wrote:

too easy when the lynch is the hand of 6 people instead of 24 jib jubs

no it is the wagon of justice

On August 10 2013 13:21 iamperfection wrote:

give me one reason why he is town

On August 10 2013 13:41 iamperfection wrote:

no because you give no reasons your just herp derp your wrong for no reason what so ever.

On August 10 2013 13:51 Onegu wrote:
Becareful electing the same lord over and over as there is no way to know if they used the hp check. So if you elected scum as lord and he used the check you wont know he used it.

On August 11 2013 14:17 Grackaroni wrote:

It means Oats cannot count

On August 11 2013 14:46 iamperfection wrote:

because yamato bugged me more than acro

On August 11 2013 15:00 Sharrant wrote:


You'll know why as soon as Acro gets on. If you want to share with the non-lords after that, be my guest, any of you is welcome to.

In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion.

On August 11 2013 17:32 Ace wrote:
I voted for Risen. Explain to me why it is a big deal.

On August 11 2013 18:46 Ace wrote:
I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet.

@Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad.

On August 11 2013 18:57 Ace wrote:
Oats you're going to have to go into detail and show why. So far I have seen nothing that suggests every house has to have Scum. If there is something that I don't know about point it out.

DI where were you confirmed Town? And um yea, understanding your thought process is a pretty big deal.

On August 11 2013 19:08 Grackaroni wrote:

You're using setup speculation to accuse him lol. Quit trolling.

On August 11 2013 19:13 Ace wrote:
What meta are you using Oats? Explain thoroughly. I haven't seen you do so at all.

The OP says nothing about how many Scum are in the game or how they are allocated between houses. I point this out to "defend" myself. How is this setup speculation and not just reading the OP? You are the one assuming there must be at least 1 scum in each house.

On August 11 2013 19:21 Ace wrote:
I just have to ask before I go to bed:

If you think I am Scum, you should want to lynch me. Today.

I haven't seen you push anyone else to be lynched so what's the hold up?

On August 11 2013 21:40 Acrofales wrote:
First things first. I haven't read the minutes for the start of today's meeting yet, but I received some important information that I was asked to pass on to the other lords. It seems it is actually pertinent to everybody here. One of my vassals has a network of little birds, who have uncovered that Yamato is a Blackfyre pretender. I trust him and I trust his abilities.

##vote Yamato

On August 11 2013 22:20 Oberyn wrote:


So is that what you think oats?

On August 11 2013 22:22 Oberyn wrote:


But wasn't yamato one of your scum reads prior?

On August 11 2013 22:28 Acrofales wrote:

No you idiot. Sharrant conferred with me during the night on whom to target. He told me this morning about the results and asked me to send a raven to the other lords with his findings. Instead of communicating just with the lords, I thought this information was important enough to make public.

I was never confused about anything. You're the confused one. Too much cold up there in the north has addled your brains.

Not quite sure why you'd say this when you communicated with me in private.

On August 11 2013 22:28 Xatalos wrote:


What's your point? In any case we shoot/lynch Sharrant+X if Yamato flips town. That has the highest chance of hitting scum even if it's not 100% (anything rarely is 100%). And it's not like Yamato isn't scummy even without this redcheck.

On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:
I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though.

On August 11 2013 22:40 Acrofales wrote:

I don't believe it's A. B would be silly in a closed setup. C is possiblle, but I think it is far more likely that:

D: Yamato is a Blackfyre.

So yes. Lets kill him.

On August 12 2013 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So who do you propose we lynch instead? And why?

On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue..

On August 12 2013 01:39 iamperfection wrote:
And oats if you think yamato is town your going to have to
Do a lot better than that

On August 12 2013 01:41 iamperfection wrote:

Your an idiot

On August 12 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why not just tell one of your townreads, like Xatalos? Because that would have been the right course of action imo, when you used the check, which i do not agree was wise in the first place.

On August 12 2013 01:47 iamperfection wrote:

Your using meta wrong. Just because they aren't the same doesn't mean yamato is town this game

On August 12 2013 01:52 iamperfection wrote:

Not use it as much as you do

On August 12 2013 01:55 iamperfection wrote:

No your making terrible meta arguments and aren't backing them up or proving your point your being lazy and bad

Just because they aren't the same doesn't mean yamato is town this game

On August 12 2013 16:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


I think he's been insanely useless. I think we shouldn't shoot him n2 though.

On August 12 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because at least he's showing up 1000 times saying he hasn't caught up yet.
Eventually he'll have to say he's caught up, right? Let's see what he does then.

Plus rayn said in his opening post that nmm8 seems towny.

On August 12 2013 16:48 Clarity_nl wrote:


You don't agree with giving someone a chance when getting replaced into 80 pages?
Yeah he could definitely be scum, but if he is we'll find out. Why in such a rush to house kp him when we can just see what he does today/d3 and go from there.

On August 12 2013 16:56 Clarity_nl wrote:


You know he's scum the same way you knew yamato was town?
Yeah, I'll wait. Are you afraid he might actually contribute or something? If you know he's scum surely you'll see through his lies.

On August 12 2013 17:08 Clarity_nl wrote:


As if I know anything about who's a vet and who's not.
I've given you decent reasons to not kill him with lord kp and your answer is "NO, FUCKING KILL HIM HES SCUM"
Cool story bro

On August 12 2013 17:11 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously though, Ace has had less time to be useful than the other useless lurkers / apathetic scummy players. That's why I think he shouldn't be the priority kill. It's not just his veteran status.

On August 12 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote:


Dunno. But don't you think he'd show at least some effort to look useful if he was scum? Whatever, I'm not against lynching/killing him, it's just that there are more pressing matters (Vivax/Snb/Kush).

On August 12 2013 22:22 Onegu wrote:



Yes I am going though motivation and what could have happened. If he is scum he doesnt gain much no matter how it played out.

On August 12 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote:
@Oberyn: I probably should have waited with revealing the detective's information, but I saw the PM urging me to talk to the other lords and saw no point in just telling the lords, so I told the general populace. Waiting may have revealed some associative tells from Yamato and may have been the better course of action. Your kinsman has not been taking our meeting seriously since its very start, though, so I don't think we missed out on much.

On August 12 2013 23:05 Acrofales wrote:

He was already outed? You should come south, my dear Lord Stark. All that cold is freezing your brain to the point of utter uselessness.

On August 12 2013 23:09 Acrofales wrote:

Yeah yeah. You're a Blackfyre. Nobody is really this stupid.

Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords.

On August 12 2013 23:35 Acrofales wrote:

If you, the epitome of dumb can figure it out, then everybody else already had as well. No point in trying to hide it.

If yamato flips town Oats is my nr 1 lynch for tomorrow. But chances are pretty low.

On August 13 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:

Even after the baby seals and the gifs? lol... Impossible. The guy makes a podcast. He will not trow a game like this.

On August 13 2013 00:30 Koshi wrote:

Just going to ignore you after this.
A guy who takes the game serious will never trow a game as town by posting baby seals and gifs. Not going to happen. ever.

On August 20 2013 14:49 Ace wrote:


One of the days I came back to tread the thread and saw some morons saying I was being anti-town or something because I wouldn't respond to every little thing going on. Of course the thread was LITTERED with so much useless junk and "Player X's fantastic Town Read #4!" that shit didn't get done. I think its far more anti-town when people dont know how to shut the fuck up and keep posting Town reads every time they get a chance. So fucking dumb.