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Ace you not voting for me is weird because if i had gone to bed when i sent you the PM (as i originally intended) i would not have seen your response and we would have all voted for Risen. Had Risen died during the night we would now have no lord in our house.
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On August 12 2013 08:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
that's okay tho, risen is not very high on the scum nighthit priority list. guaranteed.
It´s the fact that he just replaced into the game, how does he know that?
I explained him why he should vote for me and what´s going on.
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What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?
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On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?
Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure.
I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.
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On August 12 2013 21:09 Vivax wrote:Pretty sure you were lord when Grackaroni wrote the post Onegu is quoting here. It was D1. + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player. He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him.
Xatalos has not been a lord once this game...
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On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata.
What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?
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On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much.
That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim.
Unless i know the cake is a lie.
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On August 12 2013 21:24 Xatalos wrote:
It was Oberyn's idea though so he should be your "main suspect", I guess.
It depends on things. I need them to comment before i say more.
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On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless.
Ehh.. Why is that?
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Xata, what earlier question?
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On August 12 2013 21:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless. Ehh.. Why is that? Why, if I'm scum would I rather hope its a fakeclaim than fakeclaim jailkeeper cause I think I'll get lynched anyway? Because we were planning on lynching a jailkeeper claims anyway, perhaps?
I dunno if you were but i definitely wasn´t. It all would have depended on who claims, what have their actions been before and what they will be after (not only night actions, also in thread actions).
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On August 12 2013 21:34 Xatalos wrote:What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim?
I don´t think you are fakeclaiming roleblocked. I think you are the towniest player in this game besides Dandel.
I was just sayin you MIGHT be not telling the truth, not that i think it´s the case here.
Because that would be super good scum powerplay, claim roleblocked, fakeclaim watcher, fakeclaim medic, make town assume wrong number of roleblockers/jailers/whatever, nothing seems scummy to anyone. Just a good play to "bait out scum roleblocker".
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Clarity did you read my post when i talked with Onegu about my suspicion on him? Did you read what i wrote about Oberyn? I agree, other than his stance on Onegu (which is weird), he looks pretty town.
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On August 12 2013 21:41 Xatalos wrote:
Not to mention that I think both Oberyn and Onegu are town. And you think I'm town. So it's just a very far-fetched WIFOM theory.
As i said i do not think it´s the case here. I am pretty sure you are town. I just gave you a scenario where you are not town, because you asked for it. :D
I´m not sure about Oberyn and Onegu. I want to hear from them.
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On August 12 2013 21:46 Onegu wrote:
Ok first when this happened only xata had claimed being RB, oberyn straight up said Im claiming watcher do me a favor and claim one shot medic. We can get scum rb to try to defend himself and catch him. Or possibly the person will counterclaim me saying he was medic and I was the roleblocker. The first thing I told him was be careful because my scum meta has a history of random claims. He looked really town from this to me, there was no way he could lie to get me lynched because my flip would get him lynched right away and I didnt see any motivation for him to make the fakeclaim as scum.
You really don´t see any motivation for him claiming that as scum? Even if you think really hard?
What difference does it make that only Xatalos had claimed being roleblocked and Clarity had not?
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On August 12 2013 22:01 Onegu wrote:
Still thinking and going through possibilities. Town JK claims is very townie person isnt lynched, dies at night, next day oberyn is lynched. He would trade himself for one blue. Doesnt make much sense.
And if town JK did claim and get´s nightkilled town!Oberyn (by your thought process) get´s lynched. Now how does that make sense?
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On August 12 2013 22:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Um what? Why would Oberyn get lynched?
That´s my question aswell.
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On August 12 2013 22:06 Onegu wrote:
No I am saying he would get looked hard if a town JK claimed and was then NK
So why did he do this as town then? What separates "makes no sense as scum to do" from "makes sense as town to do"?
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On August 12 2013 22:09 Onegu wrote:
and he is getting looked at alot more than he would have if he never claimed. Best case for a scum Oberyn is he trades himself for one blue. Doesnt seem legit
No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia.
What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is.
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You clearly do not think much or you are scum, Onegu.
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