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1) It's idiotic to lynch Sharrant (he should be shot at most, if it seems like he has to go after his mischeck, although I think that's not really a good choice considering DI's check) 2) Onegu has just felt town all around and I'd be shocked if he flipped scum - a really stupid lynch for today 3) johnnywup is clearly the best choice at the moment - also considering the difficulties in getting him lynched/shot all game, even now (!!), and the players who are trying to spare him | ||
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 This is the second time already that I had a strong townread on you and I was so wrong. I give up, I'll just auto-push you from now on :DBasically the reasoning was that you were 1) crusading that there was a "mole" in House Lannister (as scum you would know that to be false and you felt very convinced 2) antagonizing me and iamperfection in the thread (in NWM you just pretty much tried to buddy with me and other obvious townies) 3) overall very involved in the discussion whenever around. But of course it was all wrong... Sigh. From now on I won't trust myself regarding Koshi anymore. Well played though. Chromatically also did an excellent job in PMs with iamperfection and s0Lstice. I went to such trouble to avoid leaks and Chrom knew the most important stuff already..... Rayn and Acro also had a really good (soft?) double bus. I didn't even imagine they could be scum together until the last moments. Vivax and Yamato didn't really do much and gave up extremely easily. Like... Why not even try for a moment? Why instantly suicide? I'd even say that's playing against your win condition BUT there's also the fact that tactically suiciding will cut any possible connections from that point on, so I can accept it as a safe play (if it wasn't just laziness). I only ever shared information with townies in PMs, so the leaking wasn't my fault really... But yeah. Chrom intercepted well, same with Acro. And Lord KP was used purely to kill townies (I'm majorly to blame for that as well - I pushed that lurkers should be killed above all else, while undermining the importance of shooting scum). Going to read ObsQT and scumQt next! | ||
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On August 20 2013 16:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen, you were really good in proving your towniness imo. Had i been town i think we would have been really close to destroying the scum team from the beginning. You were really easy to talk to in PM's and while you think way differently than i do i think we would end up in good conclusions. I don't think you played bad, you just needed some support you didn't have. I disagree heavily. I was slightly leaning town, but Risen was so hard to PM with.... No logic, stupid theories, starting to say I'm 100% scum for nonexistent reasons... Afterwards just silence. Okay, in hindsight, he really did have a townie mindset, just otherwise so horrible to communicate with that it was hard to say for sure. | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with the town was that people had (correctly) townreads on each other "because of PM's" and then many people did not do anything in thread (Onegu is a good example of this). It was easy to call people out for their thread posts and you can't really blame me for not knowing what you have PM'd with them. That's why people should not hide in PM-land. Onegu just felt so sincerely townish especially in PMs and also in thread to a lesser extent. Gut feeling, I guess? And I really facepalmed hard when he was lynched.... | ||
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Even as scum (LOL). Transparency for the win! | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:49 johnnywup wrote: You got Risen to shoot me?  I had a pretty strong townread on Risen the last couple days. I dunno what he was like in PMs though I facepalmed hard when he was lynched too but since it was 2-2 with him getting 2 first I was scared to say anything because I didn't want someone to randomly switch to me :x Although if you were lynched, it wasn't going to be endgame yet...? Not sure. Yeah, I pushed for you to be shot. Lurkers are my bane. I played SC2 Mafia for a long time before joining TL Mafia... In SC2 Mafia it was standard for scum to say nothing or at most talk very sparingly, while townies often spammed. Here it's more like... Townies are either very active or lurking. And scum are semi-active or semi-lurking, mostly semi-lurking the later the game goes on. But I always misfocus on the most inactive lurkers :/ | ||
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On August 20 2013 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course i do not blame you. ^^ That's why i said some people work well with some people and others don't. I hope i am able to figure out what i do wrong with Clarity because i think he is one of the best players around and i hate when i can't work with him fully. I tend to work fine with you when we are both town (see NWM). In this game you had some weird things you said (for example i thought you would understand my logic on D4 about the town roleblocker thing, because there was no flaws in my logic, whether or not i am right). Also the "people are town because of PM's" would have frustrated me as much if i was town as it did now. There is no reason to have a town circle if you are not going anywhere with it and all the people do not stick together in thread. You were the only peron in the town circle who expressed thoughts and everyone else stayed pretty much silent. Clarity had differing opinions on some things (mainly Vivax/SnB) so it was quite easy to call you guys out for it. Well, I could have accepted it as a "bonus" argument. But... 1) It was pretty weak and WIFOMy in itself (you expected someone to bluehunt actively and base their scumreads on bluereads...) 2) Only scum really focus on bluehunting (if you're a good bluehunter and town, you can accidentally hint someone's role to scum) 3) Bluehunting is only truly useful for scum and the time is much better spent on scumhunting as town Can you understand? It's not like bluehunting is totally bad as town, but it was such a main focus for you that it started to bother me (WIFOM + bluehunting + otherwise weak scumhunting = scum). | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:02 Risen wrote: No way Xata didn't do anything wrong in PMs with me lol. I was like a rabid dog d2/d3. Haha... Well, sorry for insulting you on many occasions. I got so involved in this game that my emotions took over too much with you. Also at least you were right about rayn in your scumreads | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i understand, but you were the one that draw the assumption that i was "only bluehunting", which i wasn't. :D And my argument on Onegu was not WIFOMy, maybe it looked like that to you because you had a townread on him. It was, simple logic, let's compare: 1) "Xata&Clarity got roleblocked N1 -> Vivax flipped mafia RB -> unless mafia rb'd one of their own on N1 at least one of them has to be town" Q: Did mafia roleblock one of their own? 2) "Onegu thinks there is a town rb -> Onegu thinks town rb'd Xata N1 -> Onegu thinks SnB is the only one alive who was suspicious of Xata D1 end" Q: What is Onegu's logic for having SnB as a suspect? Why does he think SnB is not likely to be the town rb, and why does he not investigate more on that matter? What if SnB is mafia rb? Why does Onegu not give a crap about that? Hmm. It's a reasonable bonus argument, I guess, but it was pretty much your WHOLE argument. And not conclusive at all. For example, saying that snb was the only one openly suspecting at that point doesn't mean that he was the only town RB who could have RB'd. It may look likely, but it's just WIFOM / assuming in the end. That you'd expect Onegu to think exactly the way you think he would, and not considering any other factors (besides this speculative argument), is pretty weak IMO. It felt more like scum trying to throw dirt than town genuinely thinking he was scum for it. Granted, my opinion was surely affected by my already existing reads on you two. (As a sidenote: you were very persistent in arguing with me earlier on! But then you just basically started avoiding me and lurking more. That's when I started thinking you were more and more likely scum.) | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw, mafia did have 2 roleblockers in case that was not clear. LOL | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:36 Clarity_nl wrote: from scum qt, rayn: No, it didn't make sense. I've had this problem before as scum where I start to believe my own bullshit, but it was still bullshit. I trusted you! sealbuddies4life ![[image loading]](http://s10.postimage.org/tet33yjdl/Baby_Seal_1.jpg) | ||
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