EPTWhy did Xatalos do a 180 on his read on Koshi at some point?
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Why did Xatalos do a 180 on his read on Koshi at some point? | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: gg. Why did Xatalos do a 180 on his read on Koshi at some point? 22 pages scum MVP! I also wonder what those PM reaons were. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
like, scum should be thinking that it was town kp/vigi, but you were arguing so hard against that. very convincing. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
I do want to congratulate scum for a good game. I was at my stupidest around Sharrants cop claim. 100% record for derping blue claims continues... | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:03 Oatsmaster wrote: nah Ace I thought you were scum because you were so useless man. Be less useless next time?  I was spending so much time reading and there was nothing worth talking about since yamato was going to be lynched. I screwed up and got myself modkilled before I got to make a real contribution. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:18 DrParnassus wrote: moc, yours was malicious. i remember reading that you've never been mislynched.... ragequitting at a critical time for town is not the ideal way to uphold that statistic It may have been taken that way. But it was actually for town to move on and get a successful lynch. I didn't predict town would react that way Either way. I genuinely didn't know it was cheating. If I did. I certainly wouldn't have quit. So I do apologise on those grounds. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote: It may have been taken that way. But it was actually for town to move on and get a successful lynch. I didn't predict town would react that way Either way. I genuinely didn't know it was cheating. If I did. I certainly wouldn't have quit. So I do apologise on those grounds. From OP: 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. And no, I don't really see how it could have helped your team but that's not the point. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
And yes it doesn't matter. Ppl gonna take it however they want to take it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I like the pseudo-Kingmaker lynch mechanic. Kingmakers always make for good games (and lots of bitching) | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Got much more respect for rayn. Only up to post 300 but he's holding the team together well | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird? from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? I really enjoyed it, I was more active in PMs than I was in the thread. Wouldnt mind a part 2. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird? from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? I think the setup was fun. Scum were like "wtf" in the beginning when we had 11 factional KP (that would remain regardless of how many scum were alive) and people would not die on N1. :D The Lord mechanic is interesting mechanic and mafia needs to be active to gain power in town. I think we succeeded well in that, at least me & Acro. yamato should have played more fearlessly and would definitely survived longer if he had just taken a leader position in his house and directed the game in his way by being a lord on D1. I had ~200 PM's with people, and FirmTofu & nachodude & Ace compared sent me around 5 Pm's. ^^ Some other thoughts: I feel sorry for Mocsta & johnnywup. It was really easy to discredit you guys. johnnywup because he responded to attacks on him by getting overly defensive and because he really didn't do much. Sorry if this left some bad feelings for you, nothing personal, it's just a game. :/ Mocsta was obviously clueless at the beginning because of replacing and i just thought "well, you're gonna get lynched before you figure this shit out". Do you guys seriously not bluehunt as town? I am kinda amazed, because i always do that as town. The town roleblocker rant i had with Clarity / Xatalos would have really screwed me over if i was town because tbh i would have done the same thing if i was town, and i felt like that was the most pro-town action i did during the whole game. In fact i think that was the closest thing to "advanced scumhunting" there was in thread the whole game. I didn't like vivax throwing the game like he did. He could have probably survived just by posting something, fuck anything. SnB's defense was not the best one. Mafia needed to throw shit at many places to keep town distrusting others and we succeeded in that. If anyone had PM'd with Risen much they would have realized he was town pretty easily. He was very open in PM's and was willing to back off from bad reads when talked about them. Also his first reads post was pretty clearly town. Who the hell goes 100% against the thread sentiment in their first real post in the game with that big of a post. There was clearly much thought in it, he was just at the wrong track. Apparently none of the lords really discussed his reads with him on D2 and D3? Another thing regarding that is that in this setup town needed to have a good atmosphere in their house. I do not know how other houses succeeded. If i was town i would have let Risen be the lord on D2 and on D3 aswell. There is no reason to battle out with your town reads. You just need to get everyone to consolidate on a towniest read in your house, PM much with each other and work from there. See who is trying to distract the house thought process (as mafia needs to do that). Koshi was nearly caught on N0 by Dandel because of that (i assume). Good thing is townies did turn it against the whole house somehow. :D All in all the game was funny. I would have loved to see Ace not get modkilled, i wanted to see if i can deal with him or not. ^^ | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the setup was fun. Scum were like "wtf" in the beginning when we had 11 factional KP (that would remain regardless of how many scum were alive) and people would not die on N1. :D The Lord mechanic is interesting mechanic and mafia needs to be active to gain power in town. I think we succeeded well in that, at least me & Acro. yamato should have played more fearlessly and would definitely survived longer if he had just taken a leader position in his house and directed the game in his way by being a lord on D1. I had ~200 PM's with people, and FirmTofu & nachodude & Ace compared sent me around 5 Pm's. ^^ Some other thoughts: I feel sorry for Mocsta & johnnywup. It was really easy to discredit you guys. johnnywup because he responded to attacks on him by getting overly defensive and because he really didn't do much. Sorry if this left some bad feelings for you, nothing personal, it's just a game. :/ Mocsta was obviously clueless at the beginning because of replacing and i just thought "well, you're gonna get lynched before you figure this shit out". Do you guys seriously not bluehunt as town? I am kinda amazed, because i always do that as town. The town roleblocker rant i had with Clarity / Xatalos would have really screwed me over if i was town because tbh i would have done the same thing if i was town, and i felt like that was the most pro-town action i did during the whole game. In fact i think that was the closest thing to "advanced scumhunting" there was in thread the whole game. I didn't like vivax throwing the game like he did. He could have probably survived just by posting something, fuck anything. SnB's defense was not the best one. Mafia needed to throw shit at many places to keep town distrusting others and we succeeded in that. If anyone had PM'd with Risen much they would have realized he was town pretty easily. He was very open in PM's and was willing to back off from bad reads when talked about them. Also his first reads post was pretty clearly town. Who the hell goes 100% against the thread sentiment in their first real post in the game with that big of a post. There was clearly much thought in it, he was just at the wrong track. Apparently none of the lords really discussed his reads with him on D2 and D3? Another thing regarding that is that in this setup town needed to have a good atmosphere in their house. I do not know how other houses succeeded. If i was town i would have let Risen be the lord on D2 and on D3 aswell. There is no reason to battle out with your town reads. You just need to get everyone to consolidate on a towniest read in your house, PM much with each other and work from there. See who is trying to distract the house thought process (as mafia needs to do that). Koshi was nearly caught on N0 by Dandel because of that (i assume). Good thing is townies did turn it against the whole house somehow. :D All in all the game was funny. I would have loved to see Ace not get modkilled, i wanted to see if i can deal with him or not. ^^ Our house did that well I had about 60pms with oberyn, and 50 or so with mocsta, kirby was gone and yamato didnt talk much | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:johnnywup because he responded to attacks on him by getting overly defensive and because he really didn't do much. Sorry if this left some bad feelings for you, nothing personal, it's just a game. :/ you were the sole reason i was useless. I won't take it personally but you really made me feel like shit. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 20 2013 16:20 johnnywup wrote: you were the sole reason i was useless. I won't take it personally but you really made me feel like shit. That means he was doing a good job as scum, honestly. I'm thinking I see a little of your character flaws showing through here. It was a little like the other day when I made some lighthearted jabs at you sucking on LoL and you took it kinda personally. For the most part people on mafia don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and any animosity present ingame often disappears as soon as the game is finished. There is no reason to take anything anyone says to heart, whether in this game, or any other. I can definitely understand your feelings because afaik you're a little new to the community here (and maybe on LoL as well?) and you may not be used to that sort of thing. People on TL are your friends, man! Just try and lighten up a little bit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 20 2013 16:25 WaveofShadow wrote: That means he was doing a good job as scum, honestly. I'm thinking I see a little of your character flaws showing through here. It was a little like the other day when I made some lighthearted jabs at you sucking on LoL and you took it kinda personally. For the most part people on mafia don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and any animosity present ingame often disappears as soon as the game is finished. There is no reason to take anything anyone says to heart, whether in this game, or any other. I can definitely understand your feelings because afaik you're a little new to the community here (and maybe on LoL as well?) and you may not be used to that sort of thing. People on TL are your friends, man! Just try and lighten up a little bit. That's 100% true. Also for the record; If i ever call anyone bad / stupid in game (even when i am town) that is only for their play and nothing personal. I always try no not personally insult people. EDIT: I have personally experieced this in one game on another forum where another townie flamed me for an housr and told me that i should never play again because i was wrong in D1. I just thought "fuck you, i'll show you how bad i am", ended up directing all town and mafia actions where i wanted to, bullshitted the mafia to hit the doc target and confirmed everyone as town or mafia and mafia conceded on D2. You can turn these things into victory if you gain strength from those happenings instead of getting demotivated. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird? from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? Baratheon ignored PMs luckily. I think the setup is pretty cool. There wasn't enough drama in the other Houses though. I thought that after n0 more people would be mad, seems like it was only DI and SnB that came out with a suspect. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On August 20 2013 16:25 WaveofShadow wrote: That means he was doing a good job as scum, honestly. I'm thinking I see a little of your character flaws showing through here. It was a little like the other day when I made some lighthearted jabs at you sucking on LoL and you took it kinda personally. For the most part people on mafia don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings and any animosity present ingame often disappears as soon as the game is finished. There is no reason to take anything anyone says to heart, whether in this game, or any other. I can definitely understand your feelings because afaik you're a little new to the community here (and maybe on LoL as well?) and you may not be used to that sort of thing. People on TL are your friends, man! Just try and lighten up a little bit. yeah i know it was effective but that doesn't mean that i applaud him for it. it did make me pretty upset. probably a character a flaw, but it is what it is. I'll try to not take it so personally next time. I know it was just for the game so I don't hold anything against him but it really pissed me off. I'll try not take it personally next time. I played mafia a while back and I think I stopped because of something similar, can't remember exactly. I'm not new to LoL, I just was in a pissy mood and I was having fun and you basically call whatever I was doing stupid and that I shouldn't do it again (not those words, thats how I perceived it), so yeah I was sort of upset. Sorry about that. On August 20 2013 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's 100% true. Also for the record; If i ever call anyone bad / stupid in game (even when i am town) that is only for their play and nothing personal. I always try no not personally insult people. EDIT: I have personally experieced this in one game on another forum where another townie flamed me for an housr and told me that i should never play again because i was wrong in D1. I just thought "fuck you, i'll show you how bad i am", ended up directing all town and mafia actions where i wanted to, bullshitted the mafia to hit the doc target and confirmed everyone as town or mafia and mafia conceded on D2. You can turn these things into victory if you gain strength from those happenings instead of getting demotivated. I just had the opposite reaction I guess. I felt like there was nothing I could do. :\ I'll keep that in mind for next time | ||
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