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1) 3 of those people haven't flipped, one was town. No one ever said why my targets were bad, it just was.
2) And then Vivax flipped red and Shar was wrong about a red check.
3) Rayn was a bad plan; Xata, SnB haven't flipped. Note how I still want Xata dead, though, and haven't made any real comments on SnB.
4) What? I've been pushing Vivax since d1 when he defended FT while trying to shift the wagon back to Onegu. I was the second of six votes on Vivax. I didn't jump on the wagon to kill him, I helped create it.
5) It was a bad time, I was really embarassed and ashamed for my play over the course of the day. You got flak because at the time you said it Chrom has completely unraveled my case and you didn't voice anything other than "yeah I support lynching Shar". That's not really giving a good reason, especially after the case gets debunked. Had you said this after it turned out Shar was giving a red check on a green target it might be worth something.
6) Seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, probably not so much.
7) That's not what it says at all. It says the scum plan assuming Shar is scum is to get Onegu alone in the house so he can either a) control it as he's on the scum team or b) they can kill him as part of the three people are dead sweep tonight.
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On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal.
It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me.
I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen.
That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top.
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Your targets day 1 were so obviously bad and your post was so massively big I don't think anyone could be bothered to spend 5 paragraphs explaining the obvious.
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Koshi you should respond, since your case is so bad (trying to twist things into a scummy light) anyone following this game is probably wondering how a townie could make it.
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Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos?
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On August 19 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Your targets day 1 were so obviously bad and your post was so massively big I don't think anyone could be bothered to spend 5 paragraphs explaining the obvious.
Then I guess I'll never grow as a player since I'm still sitting trying to figure out what was wrong with it. Post-game maybe hosts or obs can explain to me and help me understand.
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On August 19 2013 02:36 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal. It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me. I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen. That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top.
Then I'll ask again why spend so much time analyzing your own play this game?
Saying that
1) I proved I'm not as bad as xata is making me out to be!
2) Xata is scum!
And then saying #1 is more important to you, 2 is just a bonus. Like wtf man.
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Yes I am going over your points. Sec. Need to verify.
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos?
Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me?
Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness
1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check.
2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching.
3) Cop-claim lives to d4.
4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL.
So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM.
How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto.
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On August 19 2013 02:33 Risen wrote:
1) 3 of those people haven't flipped, one was town. No one ever said why my targets were bad, it just was.
2) And then Vivax flipped red and Shar was wrong about a red check.
3) Rayn was a bad plan; Xata, SnB haven't flipped. Note how I still want Xata dead, though, and haven't made any real comments on SnB.
4) What? I've been pushing Vivax since d1 when he defended FT while trying to shift the wagon back to Onegu. I was the second of six votes on Vivax. I didn't jump on the wagon to kill him, I helped create it.
5) It was a bad time, I was really embarassed and ashamed for my play over the course of the day. You got flak because at the time you said it Chrom has completely unraveled my case and you didn't voice anything other than "yeah I support lynching Shar". That's not really giving a good reason, especially after the case gets debunked. Had you said this after it turned out Shar was giving a red check on a green target it might be worth something.
6) Seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, probably not so much.
7) That's not what it says at all. It says the scum plan assuming Shar is scum is to get Onegu alone in the house so he can either a) control it as he's on the scum team or b) they can kill him as part of the three people are dead sweep tonight.
1) DI is close to confirmed town. Xatalos and Clarity like 75% and 90%. Why can't you recognize that this far in the game?
2) Are you saying Sharrant is also still scum? Because that means DI is scum. So what? Sharrant, DI, Xata and Clarity are scum???
3) ok ok. So SnB can also be scum? rayn was a bad plan? But 3 days later you shot him anyway?
4) You didn't fucking push Vivax at all. You made some comments on Vivax but you were pushing SHARRANT.
5) Not a reply worthy.
6) lol... Unless you are scum and you are just shooting townies.
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Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well.
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:36 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 19 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread?
Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum?
Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much.
There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal. It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me. I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen. That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top. Then I'll ask again why spend so much time analyzing your own play this game? Saying that 1) I proved I'm not as bad as xata is making me out to be! 2) Xata is scum! And then saying #1 is more important to you, 2 is just a bonus. Like wtf man.
I analyzed my play to show everyone that my pushes aren't flipping and my pushes aren't as bad as they're being painted. That's very much in line with #1, and it isn't me saying I'm not bad, it's me saying I'm not wrong.
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Can somebody lynch Risen?
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On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto.
I don't disagree with this in itself.... but this means that either sharrant has taken damage from scum or a scum ability, or DI is lying about his hp check. Both of which seem unlikely. More unlikely than a framer framing mocsta, a replacement who seems townie despite the person he replaced looking scummy/null.
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On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well.
Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team.
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On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well.
I disagree, plenty of ways for a scum to start super low hp or be super low hp due to using abilities that cost hp. Themed game after all.
It's a possibility though.
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I'd like to say again, to emphasize, that mocsta was arguably the best frame target the night he was checked.
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On August 19 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
Risen
So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto. I don't disagree with this in itself.... but this means that either sharrant has taken damage from scum or a scum ability, or DI is lying about his hp check. Both of which seem unlikely. More unlikely than a framer framing mocsta, a replacement who seems townie despite the person he replaced looking scummy/null.
How is this so far from the realm of possibility? Three people are dying tonight if things hold steady. How much longer does town really have to lynch scum and keep up with that kill rate?
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On August 19 2013 02:47 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well. Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team.
So DI just bussed Vivax like that? Reading the rules and pointing it out?
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On August 19 2013 02:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:47 Risen wrote:On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam?
Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well. Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team. So DI just bussed Vivax like that? Reading the rules and pointing it out?
Vivax was already the lynch target when DI did this, right?
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