GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 165

On August 16 2013 02:13 Mocsta wrote:
@ Acro..
Im not proclaiming to be an SnB expert. I hate the guys play, and he hates mine.
But in all the town games i played with him; he has honed onto oats like a homing missile. Personality 2 rings a big bell.

Anyways, my original read on SnB

I already explained to someone else why i said pushing nothing to me was town. It was a personal heuristic, not an SnB one.

Regardless, in Sicilian I the memories I have is that he was constantly pushing a mislynch even in death (e.g. the whole SK thing).. so perhaps his general scum meta is to be timid, but i was judging him off the scum snb i just played with 1 week ago.

Im also not sure how much I buy the whole oats love story cos showing mindset in night 0.. I have to re-read that whole "redacted" shite, and double check how snb handled the oats/yamato lynch but thats tomorrow too tired gotta sleep.

To me, Vivax is still a surer lynch.

On August 16 2013 02:22 Mocsta wrote:
SnB.. gimme a read on johnnywup pl0x

On August 09 2013 06:48 johnnywup wrote:
ok bookmark this post if you want
+ Show Spoiler [list of house members] +

On August 12 2013 18:13 johnnywup wrote:
Oh yeah can I remind people to vote yamato77 and not yamato. There was a situation in NWM where an action didn't go on because the name was misspelt, and i don't want that to happen here.

On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote:
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirby, yamato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.

on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.

also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.

On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote:
Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this:

Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself.

Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town.



Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider.

On August 10 2013 06:39 johnnywup wrote:
ok im gonna reply to stuff directed at me as I'm going through the thread but literally lol rayn you can't be serious



I'm defensive. Especially day 1. You should know that from NWM. Literally every single game I've played of mafia I've been accused of being mafia day 1. It's just what I'm used to at this point so of course I'm defensive. I care what people think about me because, well, I don't want to be lynched? That should be obvious.

2nd part is literally lol. It took a bit of effort trying to consolidate that. I had to look through almost everyones filter and try and find connections. When it was all done I couldn't find any connection for Gumshoe and Vivax. Go through everyones filter yourself and try and find what house they're in before the time that I posted that list. I literally couldn't find it. It was difficult putting together that list. And you say list posts are bad, yet people were literally asking for one because they wanted to know who's in what house at a glance. So I put one together.

How do either of those things point towards me being mafia, at all?

On August 11 2013 16:50 johnnywup wrote:
im not very useful right now tbh.

another reason I thought acro would be a good lord is because of lord PMs. Since a lot of people are thinking acro is scum I thought that being able to PM him directly would help people get stronger reads and be able to make stronger cases against him.

On August 16 2013 02:38 Risen wrote:
I'd rather kill Vivax over SnB, folks. Too much willingness to kill SnB and he has literally had like 0 defenders the entire game. Lot of Vivax apologists, though.

On August 16 2013 02:47 Sharrant wrote:
Okay, guys, just want to make it clear where I stand. I've been discussing lynching Vivax for some time, and felt like I was chasing my tail as I went back and forth on lynching him, to lynching SnB, to both being town, to both scum, and back around the circle over and over.

##Vote: Vivax

I don't think I need to go too in depth with this, as it seems the majority of lords have come to the same conclusion. He hasn't been loud like I used to expect from him. Nor does he show off the skills he recently has proven he has, in the last two town games we played together he immediately and undeniably showed his townieness in a way that few can. There's none of that here.

I'm just retyping my case on Koshi right now and adding in the new developments about him now. I will post it shortly.

On August 16 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:


Might be a product of the game format.

I think 5 of the 6 lords currently are likely town. That doesn't mean I think one of them specifically is scum but the votes are all town.

The reason I've defended vivax a bit really is because his n1 pushing of yamato.
At one point he told me he had convinced snb that yamato would be a good shot, and he wanted me to ask snb who he'd think was a good shot, to see if he'd mention yamato.

When I did, snb said "I'm just going along with iamp's plan of shooting gumshoe" without giving his own opinion.
When I pressed and said something like "so you're claiming no responsibility in the outcome? btw vivax told me you agreed on yamato" snb said "yeah, I do agree with the plan, can't change it now since it's night so am shooting gumshoe, but yamato wouldn't be a bad shot"

Lots of paraphrasing to hopefully that made sense. I'm not saying it because I believe that makes snb scummy, I'm saying it because I believe it makes vivax more likely to be town.

I have had a bunch of interactions with both players and I believe that they can't both be scum together.
I think snb is scummier than vivax. I wanna kill snb.

If snb keeps contributing like he has today (I liked the dandel post) I might be willing to yolo lynch dandel, though.

I was gone when they were deciding on the plan so I just went along with it. (1)

There is more to their plan than just shooting gumshoe (2)

I'll take responsibility though, I read his filter before I shot him and I decided that he was a good target. (3)

I still think Yamato is a decent be for scum btw.

Also: I don't want to be lord tomorrow. I will run again to be lord d3 but I will not be active tomorrow and need to re-earn the obvitown-ness I showed n0 (4)

Who else would you want to be lord?

On August 16 2013 03:00 s0Lstice wrote:
Let's talk about that yamato vivax thing.

Going after yamato in PMs means what exactly. At the end of D1, yamato look pretty clearly bad. The scum team had to recognize this just like the rest of us did. How much credit do we assign Vivax for pushing to make yamato take...1 HP damage? This would be irrelevant just by itself, but even more so if yamato is looking like a lynch tomorrow anyway.

On August 16 2013 03:02 strongandbig wrote:
One other thing: during n2 the only PM vivax sent me about Yamato was basically "what do you think of my case on koshi and oberyn's case on yamato." then in the same PM he asked me a few other questions about my reads on acro and onegu. But he didn't actually try to persuade me at all. IDK what he told you about that exchange but what actually persuaded me on yamato were the points other people made in the thread about how we had to drag reads and contribution out of him like pulling teeth, plus the fact that I thought his push on me was very bad and made me angry at him.

One other thing: during n2 the only PM vivax sent me about Yamato was basically "what do you think of my case on koshi and oberyn's case on yamato." then in the same PM he asked me a few other questions about my reads on acro and onegu. But he didn't actually try to persuade me at all. IDK what he told you about that exchange but what actually persuaded me on yamato were the points other people made in the thread about how we had to drag reads and contribution out of him like pulling teeth, plus the fact that I thought his push on me was very bad and made me angry at him.