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well unless it's you of course.
you are above your own pretenses.
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nah just a figure of speech. we've been discussing you in PMs
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your ears must have been burning though considering the timeliness of your arrival 
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well my right ear is sunburnt, t'is true.
but please do keep deluding yourself that i order my life after what you say about me on a forum.
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Is anyone even reading what I post? Risen is like 100% the best lynch for today, no one has a single comment on it.
Why would town Risen call out the Xatalos "scumslip"? Think about it.
On August 15 2013 03:24 Risen wrote:Which question? And as to the nature of the scumslip, Xatalos has been in PMs with me for a while now soft defending Shar. I don't really think anything of it and I'm trying to bring him around to seeing Shar as scum. Nothing truly sticks out, I think he's just trying to gain perspective on me. He then tells me in PM that Shar's claimed 2 PM ability is simply house PMs. House have 3 people. The 2 PM ability isn't house PMs or it would be 3. ggnore
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Which is more likely, town Risen completely forgetting how to play this game, or scum Risen deciding to fake finding a "scumslip" for town cred?
To believe that Risen is town, you'd ALSO have to believe that he tunneled Sharrant for a day without actually reading the post in question that proved him scum. This is NOT town trying to find scum with bad logic. This is scum faking crazy reads to avoid responsibility.
On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you.
And you'd have to believe that town Risen thinks it beneficial to threaten people with the obs qt laughing at them (and by calling them bad) under pressure instead of just explaining himself.
On August 15 2013 05:34 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:28 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:
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From iamperfection's last will:
"Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though."
I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions?
your other answers fall into the category:
[quote] From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. well, its kind of hard to talk to you about my case on you when what i want is for other people to pay attention to it but the last interaction anyone had with me about it was this convo with rayn which he abandoned: On August 13 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote:On August 13 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote:
rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen?
Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). not for calling out anti-town behavior. For calling people "scum" because they're playing badly as town, not because of actual behaviors that indicate they are scum. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia?
well, if he really had forgotten everything about those players then my "should have known better" point wouldn't be correct. I don't think it's that easy to forget things like "this player gets in fights" or especially to forget dandel ion. but anyway, even if that is the case - there's still the fact that an experienced player would, if they were town, know that townies get in fights and fuck up the thread too, and that spamming doesn't make you scum. Come on rayn, making cases against bad play rather than scum-motivated play is scum 101 and that's what risen was doing here, whether or not he knew anyone's meta. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence.
that's why this was a minor point, it's something that both town and scum do but scum are more likely to do it than townies are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huge post - makes him scum how? i never said it did, i was trying to explain why it doesn't make him town. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how?
duh. if someone is choosing easy targets and making easy cases against them, it's because that person is not actually trying to find real scum but just trying to look like they are. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"?
compare it to the entire rest of his filter. he obviously spent more time on that post than on anything else he's done - it's much longer, but also (for example) he uses quotes more (the only place he uses quotes as examples rather than things to respond to). and yet he spends all that effort making terrible, scummy reads. On August 13 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? i want to hear from people who have been in contact with him because maybe he's been putting more effort into his reads and the game outside of the thread. those people can give me information that i can't get from reading his filter. i fully expect him to answer my case but i shouldn't have to ask for it specifically, should i? Well I'm trying to talk to you so you'll change your view on me. Maybe through that interaction other people find me more or less scummy or support your case more or less because they find my answers satisfactory or not. I'd like you to ask me questions and I will answer them, or I'd like you to point me to what needs to be answered.
And you'd have to believe that town Risen greatly cares about his scumread's read on him, while Risen is voting him.
As far as SnB/Vivax goes, Vivax lynch is better. Both of them look like they were inactive from real life for D1, but SnB has actually been pushing stuff (and I agree with what he's saying) whereas Vivax is doing a lot of questioning without actually pushing anything, as others have said.
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On August 16 2013 04:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
well my right ear is sunburnt, t'is true.
but please do keep deluding yourself that i order my life after what you say about me on a forum.
get some aloe
why is johnny the best lynch in your opinion, or are you waiting on Acro to go over again why he is so town?
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On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him.................
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Hm where is rayn by the way?
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On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him.................
Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this:
On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story.
and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that.
Unless you mean you think he's town for it?
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On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it?
I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum.
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On August 16 2013 04:14 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
well my right ear is sunburnt, t'is true.
but please do keep deluding yourself that i order my life after what you say about me on a forum. get some aloe why is johnny the best lynch in your opinion, or are you waiting on Acro to go over again why he is so town?
no i've been waiting for johnny to do something town.
to no avail
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My faith in humanity relies on him being scum, but my sceptic mind suggests that he's just crazy town.
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oh btw i almost forgot
wtf is an empowerer?
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On August 16 2013 04:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
oh btw i almost forgot
wtf is an empowerer?
It was a joke
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I'm happy that Vivax is getting murdered. I have nothing to say pretty much.
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Sharrant WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS?
WHY SHOULD KUSH BE SPARED? WHO SHOULD BE SHOT INSTEAD OF HIM? EXPLAIN (MORE) WHY JOHNNYWUP IS CLEARLY TOWN?
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But next you need to lynch Mocsta. The dude is okay with killing his town reads.
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On August 16 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it? I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum.
Look at what his read on Vivax was originally based off of:
"He's giving townreads too easily and was noncommittal about the lynch."
Which is a good heuristic for finding scum. That shows that Risen does know how to play this game.
I cannot believe that someone who has at least a basic knowledge of scumhunting can do something like the Xatalos "scumslip" thing.
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Chrom,
I was trying to think back on what I remember about Risen. Have a look at this filter: click
It's from SSB-64. He moves around a lot and changes his opinions at a breakneck speed. It can often look like he has no conviction behind his original thought because he so quickly moves on to something else. The context was the same for the s&b vote this game. He settled on the s&b vote, and then quickly moved on to the dialogue with him and not wanting to vote him. Kinda makes sense with the way s&b was here and defending himself with vigor while simultaneously pushing his favored lynch. I originally thought you had a good point with the s&b thing, but in light of this, I don't think it's really alignment indicative.
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On August 16 2013 04:37 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it? I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum. Look at what his read on Vivax was originally based off of: "He's giving townreads too easily and was noncommittal about the lynch." Which is a good heuristic for finding scum. That shows that Risen does know how to play this game. I cannot believe that someone who has at least a basic knowledge of scumhunting can do something like the Xatalos "scumslip" thing.
The same can be said for most of his doings so far (his fail Sharrant case, fail first casepost etc.). Occasionally he lectures people on how to play yet continues to play terribly. It looks like he knows how to play in theory but never applies it to his own play. I agree, it sounds scummy. Intentional? On the other hand, I do remember him playing terribly in the previous GOT themed Mafia as town. It was a long time ago though.
We're back to the main question: too stupid to be scum or not?
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