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Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this:
Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself.
Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town.
On August 14 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity
Regarding onegu
Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want
That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread.
Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do.
I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out.
Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me.
Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want.
Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider.
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Also mocsta it's sort of hard to read your posts with you not typing out the full words for "you" and "are". So if you could post without shortening that would be great but it's not that big a deal.
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On August 14 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity
I agree with the rb logic
So... That leaves us with the gracken
Q about sol
Do u think higher chance of mafia or 3p
Don't jump on me for the 3p...it's a question to check how emotionally attached u r to the read.
I honestly don't really distinguish between the two. If someone isn't town then they should be lynched unless something crazy happens. That's a weird question though, what are you getting at?
On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote:Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity
Regarding onegu
Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want
That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread.
Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do.
I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out.
Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me.
Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want.
This is simply incorrect.
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Johnny. I am trying to understand you whereas many just want you lynched.
You have a propensity to plus 1 others cases. Which are also yet to materialize.
How are these cases developing?
Are you working with your house on reads, or are they trusting you to be a proof reader.
As for the case on risen. In short. It sucks. ANd I want risen lynched and am saying this. Your case is a summary. You don't explain at all what is scummy about risen targetting sharrant.
My town read on you was purely a heuristic subject to change. It's these types of convo that allow me and others to formulate a refined read.
What I need from you is to explain me why the mentality if risen is scummy. Not that you think his actions are scummy.
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Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum.
Tried to question my House about Chrom. I have a strong townread on s0lstice (3p is also possible) and I didn't like Chrom tunnel on s0lstice but my entire House thinks Chrom is town, all Lords think Chrom is town and Chrom his PMs are indeed ok to think he is town. But we don't PM that much, which is House Baratheon style. I could actually see Chrom being 3p now. It fits perfect, because you can fool people easier because you don't know who is scum.
Request:
Who posted that yamato could be Mr.X. ? I can't find that post anymore.
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Also, who did the Lords shoot tonight? the 3 towns dieing are not coming from the Lords, so in the House Lanister is still a mole. Xatalos or Grack. I am going with Xatalos. Pure gut.
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Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist.
Do you know how Ver "proved" I was SK in Sicilian? Because I asked stupid questions at the start. Look at these:
On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like.
On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance.
On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop We cannot PM people outside our houses, right?
I also added in between the scumlist jrkirby made. yamato hanging on the bottom is lol.
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On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist.
Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town?
Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong".
Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost
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On August 14 2013 18:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist.
Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town? Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong". Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost
1) Onegu did mocsta send this to you during the night? I got a feeling that he didn't. Nothing in his post suggest that btw Clarity.
2) Exactly because somebody would say that. "omg if he is scum he wouldn't put his top scumread on top because iamp will die."
Clarity? What do you think of jrkirby his filter now that you see these 2 flips?
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EBWOP
There are 3 flips. I meant of the 2 flips (oats/oberyn) that jrkirby soft pushed.
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On August 14 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist.
Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town? Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong". Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost 1) Onegu did mocsta send this to you during the night? I got a feeling that he didn't. Nothing in his post suggest that btw Clarity. 2) Exactly because somebody would say that. "omg if he is scum he wouldn't put his top scumread on top because iamp will die." Clarity? What do you think of jrkirby his filter now that you see these 2 flips?
1) On August 14 2013 15:35 Onegu wrote:
Moscta sent me his list before daypost.
2) WIFOM
I think jkirby looked like a lurker and I think there's a reason he got replaced. I also think mocsta is looking town, or at the very least useful. I don't think he's a good lynch today and you should comment on the two scumreads I put in my list.
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On August 14 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist.
Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town? Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong". Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost 1) Onegu did mocsta send this to you during the night? I got a feeling that he didn't. Nothing in his post suggest that btw Clarity. 2) Exactly because somebody would say that. "omg if he is scum he wouldn't put his top scumread on top because iamp will die." Clarity? What do you think of jrkirby his filter now that you see these 2 flips?
I already posted that he sent it to me in the night.
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koshi, that's so so Wong on so many levels.
why?
1. why does a list post with yam at the bottom prove me scum? lol, so town can't have town reads on scum? is this what you are saying? if so, we should have lynched oats if he was alive.
2.why is asking a question about HP, alignment indicative?
3. clarity already nailed my summary post and why your interpretation appears far fetched.
this is why ver caught you koshi. nothing to do with actions or questions, but rather motive and intent.
instead of trying to understand why someone is doing something, you are looking for non-kosher actions and trying to spin them as scummily as you can.
its why I read you as scum early game and quickly coming back to the same realisation.
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I wasn't roleblocked N2. Did anyone else than Onegu get roleblocked? And this made me laugh for some reason :D Gogo roleblock meta!
On August 14 2013 15:35 Clarity_nl wrote:Xatalos: His exchange with me early d2, trying to figure stuff out. It made me feel he was town. Turns out he apparantly felt the same. Only weird thing was him trying to convince me faking a roleblock is his scum meta, while telling rayn he was dumb for even thinking he might be faking a roleblock + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 21:12 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? Also, do you think Oberyn and Onegu made a public alliance to lure out a jailer? That seems pretty far-fetched to say the least. If he's getting roleblocked all game or we suddenly miss a roleblock without a flip, it'll be time to look more closely to Xatalos.
Hmmmm..... I was ready to start getting jrkirby/Mocsta lynched, but I actually like his activity and clear effort so far during D3. The most suspicious thing is the connection between yamato and jrkirby, but unfortunately I doubt Mocsta can explain that at all. Mocsta, I like your transparency but some of your reads are pretty weird. Like iamperfection as scum... He was really clearly town. Could you expand on why Chromatically is scum?
iamperfection asked me to make the following changes to his last "last will" post. For reminder:
On August 11 2013 14:39 iamperfection wrote:i lost some faith in humanity with gum flipping town here was my will im going to bed iamperfection - The innocent child and the towniest player in the game yet again. raynpelikoneet- Extremely likely to be town. cared about the lynch active in pms. Helped get shit done commited to the game. Was confused about my questioning of sharrant probally wouldnt have botherd to pm me if he was scum.Was willing to wake up just to do some actions. probally the towniest guy in the game after me. s0lstice- one hears many things through pms and i hear whispers that he is performing well. plus he wasnt afraid when he was under pressure and explained himself. He then contributed a large post when there was no pressue on him he didn't have to do that he is town. Xatalos- he is town active in thread and pms. Seems to care about the game and is intrested in what is going on. town ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chromatically-Think hes town been speaking to me well sent a message in good faith pretty good with pms would like to see more in thread cared about the lynch too Grackaroni-very likely town. Dont think he would have shown aggression towards me early on like he did in thread and in pms. Seems to be thinking about the game plus i doubt there are 2 scum in my house anyways (gumshoe you better flips scum) Oatsmaster- Dont think he would shit on my lynch as much as he did as scum kind of put himself in the spotlight for no reason with tthat. is a jib jub but a town jib jub Dandel Ion- still probally town for reason i said in thread and pms. Wish he gave a shit about the lynch though Sharrant- threw his support on the wagon of justice which he would know is a mislynch if he is scum. WHy do that as scum seems like a thing scum would never think of doing. Still would like to see some pick up in actvity but i would say town somewhat confidentaly on him. Oberyn- Seems like town to me. Seemed to have natural suspicion of me early on and been active in pms. Risen- lol too crazy to be scum i guess. Lots of stupid in his posts though. would say town Clarity_nl- was under pressure and seemed to be able to explain himself pretty easily and didnt run away somewhat god activity compartively town i would say Koshi- he seems naturally frustrated. Guess ill say say town. Has made some of his thoughts kowns would like to know how he did in the most recent night phase with pms ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- johnnywup- martyer could be scum might not be who knows Onegu- i dont know i read his filter and cant tell. Asked my house members for help and they had differing opinions Nachomamma8/ace- who knows Acrofoles- It really bothers me that he decided to do jack at lynch time and seemed to be very unintrested in the goings on. Have no clue why he thinks johnny is town just because he is martyer. His pms have been ok very null on acro i simply dont know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jrkirby- could be scum this is pretty terrible logic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=74#1469 lurker bad activity made a whiny post i dont like whiners. kushm4sta- useless who knows could be scum might not be strongandbig- This kid could be scum. Didn't really do anything with pms first few were just policy/useless setup talk. Didn't care about the lynch at all nor checked in with the plan for kp use. I could see him flip scum. also if there is a lord that is scum my guess would definitely be him. yamato77- Thought he was town because of the fight early on but has been entirely apathetic in the game and is not intrested in catching scum at all. More intrested in complaining. could be scum Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum gumshoe- is scum and wont die. 
So, the changes:
- Acro = town (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=128#2556)
- Dandel Ion = null (pretty useless and didn't care about the D1 lynch)
- Oatsmaster = strong town (loud about his thoughts and wants to be listened to)
- rayn = slightly town (weak D2 with pointless posts, still would lean on town - iamperfection also mentioned earlier that rayn had a townish D1)
On August 14 2013 03:02 Onegu wrote:
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
Risen
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Vivax
House Lannister
Xatalos
Grackaroni
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
House Martell
Mocsta
Onegu
I'm fine with the other Lords, but Risen just feels wrong. Much more so than raynpelikoneet. You were forced to vote for Risen I guess? Also what happened in House Baratheon? Why is s0Lstice the Lord?
On August 14 2013 18:15 Koshi wrote:
Also, who did the Lords shoot tonight? the 3 towns dieing are not coming from the Lords, so in the House Lanister is still a mole. Xatalos or Grack. I am going with Xatalos. Pure gut.
Could you maybe explain this post? Also I'm under the assumption that Ace was the primary target and Kush secondary. It appears that Kush still lives though, so I'm not sure how it exactly went down.
At the moment I'm most convinced that Risen will flip scum. I'm still very suspicious of jrkirby/Mocsta, but Mocsta has been so active that it feels more like town than a scum on a desperate pursuit to gain more time. We'll see how Mocsta develops.
##Vote Risen
I definitely won't vote for Sharrant, but Vivax is a pretty good lynch too given his general uselessness and staying out of the spotlight. I'm a bit torn on Mocsta atm. On the other hand jrkirby was so scummy, but Mocsta's posting feels more like town than scum posting. I'll let him post a bit more for now.
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Xata did iamp also tell grack this? If not could you explain why?
If so, can you confirm what xata has said grack?
Xata what do you think about my points on s0lstice?
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nope, that's way to easy. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy toooooo eassssyyyyyy.
Those questions are scummy. Did you read Ver his analysis on Sicilian?
Asking questions like:
"Can we PM ouside our House?"
"I don't understand how HP works, please explain it to me?"
See the similarity?
On July 17 2013 05:54 Koshi wrote:
I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify:
1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised.
2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory.
Ver gave me a scumread just for this post. No other posts mattered, this one made me scum. Go read his analysis.
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Oberyn told me they/he shot kush.
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On August 14 2013 18:53 Koshi wrote:nope, that's way to easy. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy toooooo eassssyyyyyy. Those questions are scummy. Did you read Ver his analysis on Sicilian? Asking questions like: "Can we PM ouside our House?" "I don't understand how HP works, please explain it to me?" See the similarity? Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:54 Koshi wrote:
I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify:
1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised.
2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory. Ver gave me a scumread just for this post. No other posts mattered, this one made me scum. Go read his analysis.
I think it has less to do with the questions and more to do with the "they might seem noob"
newbie card is likely scum, why discredit yourself if you're town and risk having no one listen to you?
As scum it's perfect if no one listens to you.
Plus the nature of the second question is just too silly to be a town question.
I don't really understand why you're talking about this though.
Can you comment on my reads now please?
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S0lstice: Why would a scum player try to help me during n2 to prove my townyness? Small things like this make me think he is town. He makes pretty big PM posts and is trying to figure out the game. He is also Lord now so you guys can grill him to get his reads, I am certain he knows a lot of what is going on so you will get good reads/information out of him trough PMs.
Onegu: Big chance he is scum indeed. Together with Mocsta. I should filterdive and see how they interacted.
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On August 14 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
Xata did iamp also tell grack this? If not could you explain why?
If so, can you confirm what xata has said grack?
Xata what do you think about my points on s0lstice?
It saddens me that you doubt me  I did tell iamperfection to PM grackaroni in case we both get NK'd, and he probably did, but I'm not sure.
I agree that s0Lstice's interaction with Acro is weird. Like, very hesitant and careful. "I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance." Then he basically answers nothing and s0Lstice is very satisfied. It didn't look like he was truly pursuing answers from Acro. Does this make him scum? Not necessarily, but it looks pretty bad.
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