EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 10
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So you're town. Don't really care about the rest. Stop measuring dicks please. | ||
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That said, you're bending some stuff to make your case more convincing. For example, why wouldn't a regular cop (not 1 shot) claim 1 shot cop? Gives you a (small) chance at another check. I don't see a reason to lynch him d3. If he's town he'll die to scum eventually or scum will have to waste (or withhold) roleblocks on him. I'm more interested in your scumread on me and grack. Could you (possibly in less than 4 paragraphs) explain them please? | ||
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On August 13 2013 05:59 Xatalos wrote: That's not entirely true. In my latest scumgame I used our roleblocks on myself repeatedly to give me more towncred even though I was already a generally accepted townread. You should go read my scumgames. I rarely get suspected as scum. Well that's cool and all, and I do have this in my notes: xata points out that acro and oberyn can't both be scum, I agree He seems friendly and helpful to my ideas but his conclusion everytime is "could be, could not be, dunno" But as I said, you already had some town cred so withholding a roleblock would be silly. If you're still alive d6 with towncred people should reconsider. | ||
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On August 13 2013 06:10 Risen wrote: Previous post was made prior to seeing clarity's. If shar isn't the nk then he should absolutely be the lynch tomorrow barring something unusual during the night. What is one thing sharr has done this entire game beyond giving us yamato? I shall sleep on it. To anyone to whom it may concern: If you think there's a chance you might get nightkilled, prepare a list of reads and send them to the peoples in yo crib. Have them post it if you die, or post it yourself if you live. Don't try to force reads if you're uncertain, but everyone should have at least a couple of decent reads by now. I retract my idea of using house kp on risen. Johnny is probably a good target. Or kush (although some are calling him town? dunno, he's useless though) Nighty night | ||
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I'm also curious why johnny is lynchbait Anyway, gnight | ||
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Erm.. He spammed. his filter was like 45 pages or something. He theorized about conspiracy's (like this game) He focused on little inconsistencies even if they are explained somewhere in the thread (like this game) He asked peoples opinion on stuff without giving his own (like this game) He's town or he emulates his townplay extremely well as scum. | ||
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On August 13 2013 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote: YOU CAUGHT ME IM STILL HERE Erm.. He spammed. his filter was like 45 pages or something. He theorized about conspiracy's (like this game) He focused on little inconsistencies even if they are explained somewhere in the thread (like this game) He asked peoples opinion on stuff without giving his own (like this game) He's town or he emulates his townplay extremely well as scum. Either they were explained or they were irrelevant and by questioning it he just filled up space* OKAY BED I PROMISE | ||
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Sharrant: Maybe reconsider if he lives till d5 or something. Obviously yamato already had a ton of pressure so it's possible that it was a bus. Oberyn: Yes, there is scum motive in his fakeclaim if the 2nd person on xata turns out to be town jailkeeper. It's however pretty unlikely. Other than that he's totes town yo. Oatsmaster: Kneejerk responses, natural flow. He's not playing his best but he's shining green all day erryday iamperfection: I'm going off a year old meta but he reminds me of Mario Mini Mafia. Apparantly also very townie in pms. raynpelikoneet: Shitting up the thread, convinced in his argument and shouting it non stop? Like deja vu or something (titanic mini) Xatalos: His exchange with me early d2, trying to figure stuff out. It made me feel he was town. Turns out he apparantly felt the same. Only weird thing was him trying to convince me faking a roleblock is his scum meta, while telling rayn he was dumb for even thinking he might be faking a roleblock + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2013 21:12 Xatalos wrote: What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? Also, do you think Oberyn and Onegu made a public alliance to lure out a jailer? That seems pretty far-fetched to say the least. If he's getting roleblocked all game or we suddenly miss a roleblock without a flip, it'll be time to look more closely to Xatalos. Dandel Ion: Abrasive, put himself in the spotlight a lot d1. Has slowed down recently though. Only popping in to be quirky and make quick jabs d2. Probably still town, but less certain than I was d1. Acrofales: Roleplaying aside, his d2 was miles above his day 1. Plus this exchange makes him look really town in my eyes+ Show Spoiler + On August 13 2013 05:14 Acrofales wrote: Not only am I comparing myself to you, but I am claiming that I have been more transparent and have been pushing my scumspects harder than you have, consistently, throughout the game. In fact, the only one I can be sure of that you suspect of being a Blackfyre is me, and I have felt zero pressure from you. On August 13 2013 05:43 Acrofales wrote: You haven't pushed me, I can attest to that. At best you are starting now, but your earlier suspicions can be summarized by you every now and then interjecting that you think I'm a Blackfyre, with no reasons or any useful pressure to speak of. I have been ignoring it until now because of the utter lack of conviction behind it and figure it is just the same as in PTP when you had nonsense reasons that just went away during the game. You started "pushing" Risen AFTER Strongandbig's case. I call that bandwagoning. You have not made an original case this entire game. I have no idea whether you pushed Grack or not, because it happened at night, in private missives. As for softpushing, if it was any softer than you pushed me, it must have had an adverse effect. In fact, it probably did, because I can't remember any of it. I remember some of your town reads, but that is it. Your liege seems to think you are a loyalist, and the happenings at night seem to indicate that also, but I find your claims to activity beyond preposterous. Now make that case on me or shut up about it. Doesn't matter that I don't believe it's true. He surely does. Risen: So.... I really dunno what to make of his day 1, especially his opening post. His case on sharrant had some good points. Doesn't mean I think sharrant is scum but it makes risen more likely to be town. This is only a weak townread though. Hopefully he continues contributing stuff like his sharrant case. strongandbig: I liked his n0. I liked that he pushed me in thread but then backed off to let me scumhunt and then concluded I'm more likely town. I just don't like any of the other stuff. d3 will determine my read on him. If he stays on course he's totally scum. Time to contribute or die snb... Vivax: Not a single pm n2. snb actually made a good point to me in pms. He's seemed to jump from read to read with his reasoning being "well the lords won't go for this so I'll look elsewhere", when the town vivax I remember would get mad that his targets aren't getting pushed and yell at people. Doesn't seem involved or interested. His only saving grace is how much he pushed yamato in thread d1 and in pms n1. S0lstice: Yeah, his d1 was weird and his defense was weird and stuff but that's not what makes him scum. This is + Show Spoiler + On August 13 2013 11:53 s0Lstice wrote: and ps, something that bothers me in particular about Acro is how he treated Oats His message here is pretty clear. Serious suspicion of Oats. He later qualifies this by saying that no in fact Oats is not scum, he just wanted to see more. Here is the more that Oats gave him in between those two thread presences: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. Ok so I was looking through johnnywup's filter and I saw this And its really weird that his defence is 'none of my housemates think it was scummy'. Shows an attitude of caring about his appearance. Not that he was wrong about the 3p or whatever but that his suggestion did not look scummy to other people. Weird mindset. Thoughts? On August 09 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is it worth pointing out? Why didnt you explain why its not scummy to think that there is a 3p On August 09 2013 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote: It bothers me that your defence is 'these guys think its not scummy' On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote: So which lurker do you want to die Xata? On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that kush will show his alignment either way. So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right? Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree. After this he returns, but nothing on Oats. We would be lead to believe that this is because Oats has satisfied whatever was bothering Acro about him. What in those quotes would set his suspicions to rest? Oats activity has actually dropped as the game has gone on, which would presumably ring some bells for Acro. More, in those quotes, Oats attacked johnnywup primarily. Thats from his case on Rayn. One of his points is that Rayn attacked johnnywup. Again, we are at the mercy of PMs here, so I dunno what Acro was doing in regards to Oats in PM land. I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance. Giant post against acro, asking him to explain. Not calling him scum or anything, he'd just "like to know what happened" Here is acro's response: On August 13 2013 12:47 Acrofales wrote: You quote (early) D1 stuff. On D1 I was clearly not in contact with Ser Oats, because Lord Strongandbig was lord of Winterfell. In D2 I have exchanged 1 PM with Ser Oats, in which I called him scum and he told me to fuck off. It was not very productive. The bit in the case against Rayn is also not for him just attacking lynch bait. It's that he calls lynchbait scum and then just forgets about it. HERE IS WHAT SOLSTICE REPLIES WITH: On August 13 2013 13:01 s0Lstice wrote: you've satisfied me Acro I think you're crazy, but I believe that you believe that rayn and oats are scum WHAT??? HOW?!?! Acro just told you that he wasn't pming with oats and on d2 he sent him 1 pm telling oats that he's scum He didn't answer any of s0lstice's questions. Yet s0lstice is satisfied?? Clearly he just cared that he was answered. This implies he clearly did not care about finding scum, nor did he care about the content of the answer to his question. Why? Because he's scum and he already knows everyone's alignment, and the only reason he made a giant post was to appear active. Onegu: Day 1: soft defends some people and does nothing Day 2: Other than co-operating with oberyn (which is null at best, scum at worst since no one claimed the roleblock) he does nothing Here's the thing though..... he's not a lurker. He has 8 pages of filter. Yet he has done nothing. Notice how many questions he asks, how little he follows up, and how he doesn't appear to get reads off of the answers he gets. That is scum trying to appear active and trying to blend in. Also association: + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote: I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. Fuck knows category: johnnywup: apparantly he's lynchbait? I dunno, just looks like scum to me. Apparently isn't. Would love someone to explain this properly. kush: I can't read this guy. What snb said is correct though, if he's right about everything then he's scum. Total troll though. Shoot this guy. Koshi: I couldn't actually remember ANYTHING he did d2... then I checked his filter and yeah.... not so great. Starting to become another good vigi shot. Chromatically: Apparantly he's been scumhunting well in pms...? I really hate this. Scumhunt in the damn thread. From the thread alone he looks scummy to me. grack: I dunno Everyone else: meh | ||
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This makes one of xata/grack more likely to be scum since they were both aware of gumshoe's 1 hp before n1 nightpost. Still very unlikely it's a townshot. I thought it might have been iamp as a vigi.... but obviously that's not the case. I didn't include grack in my post cause I ran outta time to make it and had a hard time getting read on him. | ||
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Did you find that to be scummy? I disagree with your assessment of mocsta's list btw. | ||
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On August 14 2013 16:21 Mocsta wrote: Clarity Regarding onegu Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread. Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do. I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out. Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me. Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want. Bleh. I guess? I wanna lynch s0lstice today anyway so he has a chance to show he's town other than tripping on his own feet and crying green tears rather than red ones. What do you think of my point on s0lstice? | ||
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The fact that I got roleblocked n1 but not roleblocked or killed n2 suggests it was a town action. This makes it more likely that xata is town since it's more likely it's a scum roleblock. @mocsta, it's worth noting that iamp came to the defense of chrom really quickly in thread. I just hope he shows us in thread what he apparantly showed iamp in pms (and s0lstice did the same but I think he's scum) | ||
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On August 13 2013 13:56 Mocsta wrote: Who should I jail tonight? Oats asks if you're claiming jailkeeper which is not a dumb question (which is what you told him), rather an obvious one actually. Am I missing something? | ||
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On August 14 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote: Clarity I agree with the rb logic So... That leaves us with the gracken Q about sol Do u think higher chance of mafia or 3p Don't jump on me for the 3p...it's a question to check how emotionally attached u r to the read. I honestly don't really distinguish between the two. If someone isn't town then they should be lynched unless something crazy happens. That's a weird question though, what are you getting at? On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote: Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. This is simply incorrect. | ||
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On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote: Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist. Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town? Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong". Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost | ||
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