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On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote: Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players. So basically you don't have a stance on it? | ||
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On July 28 2013 05:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Yeah I'm just going to ignore everything VA says for the rest of the game. Sounds good? @FirmTofu: Why in the bloody hell are you calling my play useless? You're the one who made 6-7 posts at the beginning of the game and then said "peace out". You are in no position to say I've been useless, because I haven't. Oatsmaster, please stop posting one-liners and unhelpful things, it's continuing to look very scummy. Perhaps you should interact with other townies and their cases instead of asking everyone to comment on your case like some dog begging for its' next meal. Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post. Vayne can be hard to read but actually take the time to siphon through the terrible parts and he actually makes some good points usually. Haven't read him yet so I can't comment but if he isn't providing those good nuggets look into lynching him. Ignoring him is the dumbest and probably most anti-town thing you could do regarding him. Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore. Lol, this dude scum. Anyway, now that I'm caught up I'm having a couple issues with people. Going to type those up real quick. | ||
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It's really interesting to me he's so gung ho on lynching me for inactivity when, of anyone in this game, he would know my activity isn't a tell of my alignment at all. I play when I'm at work/have free time I'm not spending with my girlfriend. That's a constant as scum or town. He attacked me for a single post, before I've really even started playing when a quick one liner is literally my only course of generating discussion when all I have time to do is drop a phone post. He also put the accusation on the back burner to endorse the lynch of another coinflip in Vayne avoiding discussing the actual happenings of the thread. That's off of what I'd expect from Vivax. He usually has a mix of good reads with bad but as a constant he's stubborn and pushes them. I don't see that here. His reason for lynching Hz is practically identical to his reason for lynching me and he still isn't showing the original thoughts I expect from him. Food for thought(i wouldn't bar lynching him off of this but it's interesting ): last two times he's played as scum in a game I've been in he's attempted to lynch me (YANMM & Roulette) as an easy mislynch due to my usually scummy nature. First time he got lynched over me, second time he backed off the read in a fashion very similar to how he backed off of Hz . I don't think he's a d1 lynch right now but if he doesn't start showing up in a meaningful way I'd definitely lynch him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote: Things like can be considered generating discussion in your opinion? Especially, PS said something very similar to what I said in that post, and you chose to attack him but not me, I discussed this with hz. I don't know where you got the notion I bolded, can you walk me through it? What constitutes original thought to you? Do you think I'm recycling other people's opinions? Typing up who I'd rather lynch but I know you're smart weigh to realize that by posting that I had no objective except to try and generate discussion. If I was scum trying to lead a mislynch wagon I would certainly read the thread more closely to make sure I wasn't doing that at random. It would also serve no purpose except to call attention to my self considering I didn't follow it up Basically I opened the thread, saw that post and posted to gauge reactions since I didn't have time to actually play and that post felt very safe/avoiding a stance. Regarding the Hz thing I'll quote the post after(phone posting) but considering he agreed with me and your interaction with him about it is why you found him scummy I assumed it was because he agreed. Finishing up my other post now. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote: Right now im interested into knowing who hzflanks other three scumspects are, if he has any besides paperscraps. Found him kinda scummy since the thing with stutters, where he used one argument on paperscraps but not on me. I need still to analyze his other posts more properly though. I suggest that's a good place to start looking if you want to find something weird about hz. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:35 Vivax wrote: Fucking mosquitos man. Anyway, I won't touch Cora for sure, I think the probable ragequit makes him town. Townies tend to be more egoistical. Stutters, i disagreed cause you reduced my reasons to that single post when they are mroe complex than that. It's true that I found it suspicious that you two went selective on me and paper (which is a fact cause we said the same thing but you only suspected him), but applying that statement to the current situation just isn't right, aside from the fact that I'm currently leaning town on HZ for that part about his Oats post. If he's scum he's a pro actor. So let me recap: You threw shit in from the sidelines, you show really low activity, and you applied your reasoning to PS but not to me. HZ did the same selective thing, but he also tunneled PS in a way I found suspicious cause he tends to interpret what he gets about him in the worst way possible, and replied in your favour when I suspected you, which I found odd at such an early stage. If I get it right, I'm your scumread yes? Then I'm sure you're going to find plenty of reasons for that argument in my filter, I'm eager to hear your case for me being scum. You can claim being busy all you want, I'm also busy every time I roll scum. Looking forward to hear your opinions on other players as well, not just the guy who suspects you. I literally said at the end of my case that I didn't want to lynch you today because I'm not sure but I think you're scum. Also check your filter man, it isn't obvious at all what your reasons for wanting to lynch Hz were outside of what I quoted. Anyway of my lynch ideas today I was torn between CJS and PS. I don't think such a rage quit is a town trait when it happens because his smurf got revealed. He clearly was enjoying the in character play so he's probably just frustrated that he can't keep that up now. He'd be like that as either alignment. However knowing who it is makes me want to give him more leeway because I feel somewhat confident in reading Cora. So I'd rather lynch PS. I'll post my reasoning in full when I get s break at work | ||
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On July 29 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Although I disagree with most of what he's said since he came back, he seems to be trying to figure the game out. Also OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP classic town, hard to fake. At the very least don't lynch him today. I'm gonna be gone for a couple of hours but will be back with plenty of time to spare. I suggest people look into Oats, Stutters and Malongo. Right now I think I'm willing to lynch Malongo (waiting on him to show up first) or Stutters. What makes you want to lynch me? Do you disagree with my analysis of vivax? I go through this every game due to my activity coming in spurts depending on my RL schedule. | ||
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His post on lynching lurkers was weird. Not committal but that's w/e. Opening d1 is really awkward for both alignments. What gets me about him is two-fold. First despite his clear protesting about not lynching lurkers and a clear understanding of a pro-town environment he lurks and provides no justification for his play that clearly doesn't match his expected play of a townie. His reads are also very loose and for the most part do nothing to actually catch scum. It's also a little weird that despite all the controversy around CJS and Firm he doesn't modify his reads from null on them but picks all of his targets from the people he hadn't previously commented on. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time. Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee. Reread it, he's so obviously town I find it hard to believe you can't see it. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters talk with me. What do you want to know? What's your reas on my red/black reads? Absolutely. Give me a sec to type it up. | ||
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I don't think CJS is as firm town as you do. Now that we know it's Cora his vote on Oats is a lot weirder considering he should know how oats plays. Makes him pretty null. Wouldn't be surprised if he's scum but I have my sights set elsewhere right now. If he's town I think I know why he pushed it but I want to hear his answer so he doesn't just tell me what I want to hear. | ||
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Paperscraps: see my read I posted, I think he's scum, not null. Malango: no idea, as I explained. Leave him for the vigis imo. Koshi: I could easily see him being scum, especially after NWM. Mostly a meta read since he always is confusing as fuck and kinda useless. I would lynch him if Paper doesn't get traction but I'm way more confident about him. FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense. JAT is another one I haven't really dove. He could be scum but he's not huge on my radar. He could easily be a misunderstood town. I think we'll see with more posts from him. | ||
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Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch. | ||
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Just so the vote count will be accurate. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is not dumb. He just isn't. I said that in I swear 2 and while i was mafia i was not lying. Hmm you're right. Tbh I didn't really pay attention to him in I swear because of what I heard in the NWM postgame. His reads were good in I swear. I could get behind this then, he really doesn't have an excuse in that case. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote: If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though. What. Lynch FT for fucks sake. | ||
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##vote: Paperscraps Still open to switching if 8 people are here. | ||
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On July 30 2013 01:53 hzflank wrote: Stutters' filter looks horrible. Stutters disagrees with both of Tofu's scum reads. Stutters also says that he is going to check out FT a bit closer. Stutters later says he has not yet looked at Tofu but has him as null. Stutters thinks that Paper is scum but is willing to sheep Rayn onto Tofu. Stutters is also willing to sheep Rayn onto Koshi. Stutters changes his mind regarding a no lynch. Stutters, you obviously had a very strong town read on Rayn as soon as he joined the game. Why? Considering that you disagreed with both of Tofu's scum reads and said that you were going to look into him, why did you not look into him until Rayn prompted you to? You also seemed to completely sheep Rayn as your read on Paper changed. In fact I would say that since Rayn began to participate all you did was just completely sheep him. Would you be a darling and perhaps provide an original opinion in future? Thanks. You don't know me that well apparently. I'm really bad about making promises in this game(mafia in general) and not following through. It's a bad habit but when I say I'm going to check someone out that usually means when I get around to it. I was 100% willing to sheep Rayn on Tofu. We have a similar thought process(imo) and by thinking Rayn is town/generally has good reads I'm willing to follow him in a situation like that because we needed a lynch and it felt like both of them couldn't be scum. So getting behind FT still would have shed some light on Paper. You're misrepresenting me on Koshi. He's scummy as shit, but he always is. I was talking with Rayn, he suggested I look at I Swear 2 again since I've kind of just ignored Koshi since NWM. After I went back and actually checked his play there, he has no excuse for this game. You're also misrepresenting my post about the no-lynch. After Paper started posting right before the deadline I changed my mind and thought he was town. I didn't think a no-lynch was a great idea there but I did think it was a decent idea compared to hitting someone I now thought was town. I didn't pull the trigger on it because we did gain a bunch of info and there was the small chance he was making a ballsy scum play. In the future I'll probably go for the no lynch. Regarding my town read on Rayn: I'm pretty bad at reading him TBH. I generally have a solid town read on him if he is there. If he is lurking he's probably scum, but what convinced me he was town was his list post. Unlike 99% of list posts that just say "I think this dude is scum because he lurks." Not only was his reasoning very similar to my thought process(outside of the discussion him and I had about a select few) he clearly was putting a significant amount of effort into the post and wanted to follow up on questions. I like bouncing discussion with people who have an open mindset(BH in Les Mis, multiple games with Marv, etc) Hope that clears it up. I'll drop a knowledge bomb on who to lynch once u get it typed up, work is busy. | ||
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Because I'm phone posting use this page of FTs filter for reference I'll be referring to then by numbers(post 4 is the list, if Paper flips green #5 etc) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&user=FirmTofu¤tpage=5 First, everything before the deadline time is pretty much discussed to death. If needed/requested I can show people why that's scummy but I don't really think it's necessary. Anyway post #5 is where I'm starting. This post originally stood out to me because it looked like a scum slip (saying they were town and I misread it out of context of the quote because of how hectic it was). Not quite as damning as I thought, but after seeing Paper's flip, this is bad. Scum tofu knows Paper is going to flip green and his only other reads are on huge lynchbait+ myself. This gives him an out to avoid only pushing the easy cases scum love so much. Yes I'm aware this section is based off of the assumption he is scum, but here is what planted that thought. Read post 4, 6, and 10. Of his three scum reads in post 4 & 6 (other than paper), suddenly none of them are scum. Two of them I addressed why above but the most damming IMO is how he drops me from his scum reads for no explained reason. I was scum because I "popped in to vote me(tofu)". Now look at his new XRZ, Rayn, and Hz reads. He dropped a read with justification(albeit wrong) on me and replaced that with "reads" that say they've been playing town but he's going to look into them and they're slightly scummy. That is not town hunting scum. That's someone telling the thread what they want to hear to push his own agenda. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:09 Clarity_nl wrote: With you doing this I'm obviously not getting nightkilled you dumbass. This feels like Mario Mini where I was obvtown, people called me obvtown, and then suddenly random townies made cases on me d3 and I died. Make your damn case so I can explain why you're an idiot and you can move on to better things. I know that feel man. Last game if Tofu didn't make that boss play I was probably going to be mislynched d2. Roulette I was going to be mislynched except that vivax got confirmed scum through the roulette actions. Now I'm going to get mislynched/viged because all people see is a two page filter rather than what I'm saying in the pages. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:25 hzflank wrote: I noticed what he brought up at the time that Tofu posted it. I was really tired/unwell at the time so I may have read it wrong, but I had a different take on it to Stutters. Tofu named a 4 man scum team based on Paper being scum and then implied that he would completely re-evaluate it based on Paper's flip. That is not scummy for the reason that Stutters is saying it is scummy. If I want to call it scummy then it would be because the 4 names Tofu put together made no sense as a group, but realistically when anyone names a 4 man scum team on day 1 it is going to be horrible. In fact I do not agree with Tofu's reads in general this game, but they are at least believable so I do not think that makes him scum. Here is the problem with that line of thinking. When the PS wagon started rolling, he was against it initially. He concocted two completely association based scumteams to allow himself to get on the wagon without being completely scummy for it. He offers no justification for the associations beyond basic "buddying" nor any explanation for why Mal/Koshi can't be scum if Paper wasn't. He isn't contributing in any meaningful way and is skirting actually contributing in favor of telling us what we want to hear. This isn't the same tofu from I swear 2 | ||
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Also if you shoot during the night I'll take that as a scum claim because there is literally no upside to it. It allows a scum Janitor to either hide the flip or also try to kill at night. You also can't get RB'd during the day if I'm not mistaken so you should announce your shot before you PM it in. This makes a scum kill attempting to look like a town Vig a 50% chance at outing them since it might not kill. | ||
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Not much to say to that lol. Awesome check Vayne. | ||
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On July 30 2013 13:13 Oatsmaster wrote: The part where I dont call you confirmed town? No, the part where you say to lynch me after Mal. | ||
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I defended myself because I had two people pushing me as scum. If I didn't defend myself you/Hz accuse me if being scum for ignoring you. If I defend, you say what you did. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I think I explained my thoughts pretty damn well on FT. The dude is scum, read it and see for yourself. If you want I can give you my top three but I generally prefer to focus one at a time. I also have explained my motivation for lynching despite my town read towards the end. Have you even been reading the thread? And whether you see it or not, that was the towniest post in the thread imo. I stand by that read unless something drastic happens. | ||
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Also Koshi what made you change from me being scum to town over the last couple of pages? | ||
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On July 30 2013 18:00 Koshi wrote: You do fucking know I was scum in NWM right? ADD STUTTERS Why you lying dawg? Also I'm aware you were scum in NWM. I explained earlier I was taking what people were saying in post game as a fact rather than reading your previous games. | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:27 Oatsmaster wrote: time for you to read my filter. Wanna lynch Malongo? Give me a little to reread Vaynes cluster fuck. Tofu is definitely my lynch of choice currently. My only worry with him is in I Swear he did something really dumb(attempted to vig his mason partner before he even knew who it was but cancelled it). Let me get back to you. And I know what you've said. A gut read isn't a good reason. | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:35 Koshi wrote: Tell me what is scummy about those 2 quotes? Nothing cause I'm not scum? What made you think I'm town? | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel the BELIEF. what did you say about FT? Also nothing can top the scumslip townslip. Rayn can we lynch you? | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck it, let´s just kill this scum. ##Vote: FirmTofu This guy gets it ##unvote ##vote FirmTofu I'll answer about Mal when I have a good chunk of time yo type | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I really do not understand why JAT and FT were getting votes. We need to lynch Malongo, Koshi, or Stutters today. Lynching anyone outside of that circle is a pretty stupid idea. Still riding my dick? | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Still refuse to say why I'm scum, asshole? Where's Kushmasta lol. Cora needs some weed. I thought your early posting wasn't super town nor did I even think of giving you credit for rage quitting, deal with it. I'm sure you could sway me into thinking you're scum though at this rate. Of all the things that people have found me scummy for, some of which is understandable, especially from people who haven't played with me, you pick something that is null as shit simply because it's about you. You're better than this. | ||
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Shhhhhhhhhh. It's supposed to be a secret. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:09 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I really wouldn't call what FT was doing "fake scumhunting". He's giving reasons and providing evidence that supports those reasons. While I may not agree with his cases, I really don't agree with you when it coems to your claim that FT is not scumhunting. Do you really think we should lynch FirmTofu, someone who is at least putting some effort into solving this game, over 3 people who are putting no effort into solving this game? My case totally isn't work. And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids! Seriously though, how about you read it and tell me why I'm wrong instead of just saying I'm doing nothing. I guess my case on Paper wasn't real either? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:11 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: But seriously, my one reason for you being scum is not on the lack of explantation for your scumread on me. It's because you haven't done much in the way of scumhunting at all. You were mostly afk for D1 and your posts have not been really helpful since. This post is retarded. Even Adam Sessler wouldn't give this post a three... out of five. Probably like a .5. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:22 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Your case on paper was obviously bad as it was completely wrong. Plus you almost didn't vote for PS at the end so that basically undermines your entire case on him...why scumhunt and not stick your vote on your scumread instead of wavering around right before the deadline? Because he was town as shit in his posting right before the deadline. Do yourself a favor and go read my filter then stop pushing your retarded case. Kthx | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Then why did you vote for him? Why would you keep him around if he was posting like a townie? I want Rayn to answer this question too because I called him out on it too and he dodged the question. READ. MY. FILTER. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:37 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: It took Stutters a day and a half to get those reads... His D1 effort was divided in two: one half dedicated to playing the game, the other dedicated to taking cheap shots at me and calling me scum without saying why... Lol you're really mad I said "this dude scum" huh? Get over it and stop going full retard. You never go full retard. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:51 FirmTofu wrote: This post is beyond scummy, holy fuck. What's up with you and scummy parentheticals? Why did you feel the need to say that? Inherent guilt, anyone? You ADMITTED that you made a mistake. Why would you ADMIT as town? OBJECTION! Leading the witness. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:06 FirmTofu wrote: Wasting time defending myself when I'm not in danger of a lynch is a waste of my fucking time and would just derail the thread and serve no purpose. Your points against me are a complete misrepresentation and any rational town member who has read my filter should be able to see that. You're scum. I'll defend myself if a townie thinks I'm scum. I think you're scum | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit. | ||
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Also what did you learn about Oats from your gambit? What were you expecting to learn when you originally stated it? | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:20 hzflank wrote: Remember that we only have 1 mislynch left. It's even worse than that. If we miss today and we don't get a medic save scum can roll the dice with the janitor trying to kill and all they need to do is last minute switch if one town is off and win. That means we absolutely need to hit scum today or we're relying on every town being here at the deadline. Quite frankly I don't trust oats or mal in that situation and thus we should lynch FT because this dude is scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:55 hzflank wrote: How do you know that Mal and Oats are town? :p Oats feels town, I don't want to lynch him. Unfortunately this is how he plays town. If Mal is somehow town also we're royally fucked. | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:19 hzflank wrote: I was joking when I asked that as I did not really think it could be a scum-slip. Now I am seriously concerned though. The first time you implied: I feel like Mal is town The second time you implied: I feel like Mal is scum Any third parties have thoughts on this? You're not thinking about it in context. The first quote is still part of my assumption, not my thoughts. Second part is my thoughts, but take those with a grain of salt. I'm holding back on pushing him hardcore because he made some really retarded decisions in the first game I played with him so I'm more hesitant to do the same this game. I don't see the martyring as a scum tell with him because of that. He is a policy lynch given the circumstances who I'd say is probably like a 60/40. | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:58 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Stutters, you never responded to this. Care to do so? Only scum what know what kind of power roles they have... Reading is hard as scum I take it? | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:18 hzflank wrote: So conspiracy theory is either: Stutters is scum and really messed up and Rayn and Exar just sarted to shit up the thread so that people would move on quickly and ignore it. Or Stutters is town and Cora thought he would use my point to throw the scum-role scumslip point at him again to see if he could put pressure on Stutters instead of someone else (Koshi? Not sure who). For now: ##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters Or you could, you know, vote Tofu with Rayn/I/anyone who cares about winning and we can hit scum today instead of dicking around and making no progress towards winning. | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote: Assumption. I plan for the worst, and a successful janitor kill practically ends us if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO. Yeah, reading is definitely hard. You scum Cora? | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:13 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Stutters I am town. I think FT is town. I am starting to love hz. If you're town then help us lynch the scummiest scum in the history of TL mafia instead of throwing your vote on me when I'm not getting lynched. | ||
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I can provide rum and we'll swim in a sea of red when Tofu flips. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:21 hzflank wrote: Lynching Mal only helps us to win the game if he flips red. If we lynch Stutters and he flips red it is great, but if he flips green then we can have a good idea who most of the scum team is. Probably FT/Cora/Oats/Koshi. We can just work out which of them is the most likely though and start from there. We have the least to lose from lynching Stutters or Rayn, and I think that Stutters still has a very reasonable chance of flipping red. Stutters has to be the best lynch target based om that, no? Except that I'm town and Tofu is scum. You jumped on my dick over planning ahead for a worst case scenario. Tell me. If I'm scum why wouldn't I not say that and just do it? If I say nothing, sit back and watch as you guys mislynch, then tomorrow have a janitor try to shoot and if it lands quick vote and win. Instead I point out something that clearly the majority of this town hasn't considered because they're too busy circle-jerking a n1 roleblock to actually try to solve the game. It makes no sense for me to put out a feasible plan I could use and bring undue attention to myself when I could have easily coasted until tomorrow. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. The scumslip/townslip doesn't matter. Tofu has shown a clear lack of town mindset, has been pushing an agenda that makes no sense for town. Ignore that whole section and he's still scum. | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:02 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well let's make this easy on ourselves: ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet Rayn is town, Tofu is scum, you're dumb. Sorry for my absence today. Day off and I have five people staying with me. I'll be around tomorrow. | ||
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You said Oats is town but if your check is accurate then your red on Oats is accurate because there is no framer. Additionally because you can't be insane(Vayne would have come back red) or whatever the opposite of paranoid is(the always town one) you have to be lying or you would have instantly wanted to lynch oats. | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: probably stutters to be fair. I might be drunk but no. My shot would have been XRZ and roleblocking you since until now I had no reason to doubt you were a cop. | ||
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Doesn't matter when I'm right | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:05 hzflank wrote: But this was a 10/4, not a 12/4, and therefore balanced around 1 KP from the start. Right but if I were scum and everything was balanced along the lines of the usual 4/1 ratio or given the option to do 10/4 w/ 1kp I'd take the 12/4 every game. The power gained from taking an extra night kill is significantly more useful for scum for disrupting town than starting with two less town. As such I'd expect the power role ratio to be off from a normal game. | ||
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If it wasn't you who fake claimed disregard that part but can you reason with me on why this is a good play for scum XRZ to make? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:19 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: XRC's read on Clarity was based on his disbelief of the rb claim. If scum had rb'd someone else, XRC would've said the same thing. He did not out himself as a fake-cop when he talked about Clarity. You're trying to catch smoke on that one. You guys making association cases before flips are so stupid. So who do we lynch then all-powerful and wise Cora? | ||
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##vote: XRZ | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: Btw. things like that make me feel you are either scum orchestrating a gigantic play or town (who thinks I could be scum) setting up a trap for me... Hz is town. If you're town and he is trying to set a trap for you, there's nothing to worry about right? Why dies that even concern you? | ||
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Because it's MYLO(assuming no save) and if we're wrong we lose? Why is he better than FT? GG XRZ, last fucking time I decide to lynch off of some pre-flip shit. | ||
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On August 04 2013 23:34 hzflank wrote: Well why did you not put in the effort to try to defend him then? I was wracking my brain for reasons for the cop claim play and trying to work out if he was more likely scum or town. It was not just pre-flip shit. I don't recall you pushing hard to save him. I kept providing reasons he would lie as town in that scenario to make sense. In the end between what we learned from his death and the fact I couldn't reconcile risking endgame over a read like that when it felt so close to null, I went with it. Won't be making that mistake again. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know that argument is really really weak. If it was anyone but Oats yes. For oats, no. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand your meta read on me stutters, I try harder as scum to post good posts? Is that it? Pretty much, yeah. It's something I've noticed with you after playing many games together. | ||
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Obviously not. I've been saying you're town all game. | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the most problem i see in you being town Stutters is that you are not trying to find mafia or prove that you are town. That should come from you naturally. You are asking other people what you should tell them. That´s not a townie approach in my opinion. Why do you feel the need to ask what to talk about? Why not just tell the town who you think is mafia and why? Because this is MYLO and if you spend your last post(assuming your shot tonight) with a misguided conclusion that I'm scum tomorrow and people listen, it's gg. Tofu is 100% scum, I'd say Koshi is 95% and I have time to figure out the third for certain. If I get mislynched we lose and it makes no difference what I spend my time doing. Since I'm pretty damn confident they're both scum the only thing left for me to do is make sure I survive past them. | ||
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On August 05 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote: There is really not much I can say. FT is going to be town. Rayn is going to be town. But lol. just lol. Stutters is going to be scum, hiding in this game only to come out to trow some shit at FT and validate his vote on XRZ. JAT is going to be scum. Tofu case is pretty good. On top of that this guy keeps promising making cases but never does. Probably afraid after those 2 horrible first cases he posted. hz is going to be the mastermind. well played by him. but I could have caught you if I didn't fuck up in the start. Nah dawg, FT, you and JAT. In that order. Also, I don't "hide" as scum, my posting is pretty standard regardless of alignment. Just depends on how busy I am. | ||
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On August 05 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote: All those 1 liners towards a pretty town FT during day 1 & day 2 were not standard Stutters. 1) See roulette, I post one liners when I feel like it lol. 2) the really good news is Tofu isn't town, wasn't town d1/2 and neither are you. | ||
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On August 06 2013 01:12 Stutters695 wrote: Oats, can you explain why I'm in every scum team you can think of? Especially since you were asking people to stop speculating around the night actions. What makes me scum? Oats pls | ||
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On August 06 2013 02:05 hzflank wrote: I can answer that for you, if you like. If you have followed the game and thoroughly read Oats' filter you would know  So the reasons he has wanted to lynch me are I didn't cause a no-lynch d2. Then tries to get me lynched for a "gut feeling" he's been pushing since. Did I miss something? He's provided no valid reason I'm scum yet I'm his only consistent scum read. I'm starting to doubt my meta read on Oats. Need to weigh him compared to JAT. So again, Oats, what makes me scum? | ||
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On August 05 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote: ?? Its a good shot because then we dont waste today lynching you stutters is scum in every variation of the scumteam I can think of. No, he hasn't eliminated it down to 3 or he wouldn't have said this. He needs to explain, let him. | ||
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Going to have to do a serious side by side to figure that one out. | ||
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On August 06 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well in my eyes Koshi and FT are pretty much confirmed mafia. I am going to be so disappointed if they are not, because they are not even trying. Do you think Oats would not shoot OR roleblock me on N2? Would you take that chance as mafia if you know the dude has claimed a cop, claimed a green on a green, and claimed to check you that night? Can you explain that? Can you point out something from his posting that supports that, because it really is crucial for that scum-read. Other than that i really could see him being mafia, because he´s been beyond useless. You'd have died earlier if I was scum, regardless of any PR. There is a reason you got shot in Basterd :p Seriously though, I would have shot or RBd you, the scumteam is retarded for not doing it. Only reason Oats wouldn't do the same is if he rolled GF. How likely that is, I have no idea. | ||
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Instead of losing the game over something so fucking stupid, how about we work towards solving this? | ||
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On August 07 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: if I do it all the time as town, is it still a scumtell? Just cause you did it in 1 game recently doesnt mean everyone does it when rolling non town alignments. Whoever asked if I will have time today, yes, I will. Koshi that isn't a scum tell. Nearly every game I play I say "if I were scum." | ||
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Also if at all possible you should be here at the deadline unless we're all consolidated before you go to bed (exception being FT and Koshi). If scum try to pull a fast one on us before the deadline we need to be ready to switch. I don't want to be on the receiving end of what happened in Basterd. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for me Stutters is confirmed scum. You do realize I mix up what happens in games all the timeright? Iirc I accused BH of being scum in Les Mis due to WLIIA when it was BC or Bluelightz who was actually in it. Did something similar in YANMM and I'm sure a few others. My team in Basterd was AFK so much it made sense that I would call to shoot you. Regardless of that, the point still stands that I would have shot you this game n2(or at least RBed you) since there weren't circumstances like a looming mass claim which could have royally fucked me. Leaving you alive as a claimed cop would fuck me this game. | ||
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It's either him or FT. Not comfortable voting anyone else yet with the game on the line and it doesn't seem like FT will happen today since you guys still aren't sure about me. That'll change though. | ||
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On August 07 2013 07:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What did happen? I read his filter but I must have missed it I can't remember the specifics despite playing in it but.Marv got "modkilled" for something made a rant about being forced to use the hosts qt instead of their own and people took it as confirming the hydra as town since if they were scum they could talk however they wanted anyway. Turns out the hydra was scum and they won iirc | ||
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On August 07 2013 07:53 FirmTofu wrote: What is an Innocent child? I am unfamiliar with this term. A role that is VT except n0/d1(depending on the game) the host announces to the town he's a IC starting the game with 1 confirmed town. | ||
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