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So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote: Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:33 Paperscraps wrote: @Oatsmaster I would like to hear your read on FT. I am bit cross at the moment. Tofu had no reason to defend me early on. If he were scum, what is the motivation behind doing this. He could actually town read me and scum read exar or being trying to look town by defending me. What are your thoughts? @Malongo Good to see you posting. I am curious, do you have any town reads so far? I think most of the hyperactive players are more likely to be all town (see last post). From those the only guy that looked sort of fluffy was hzflank, though I didnt like the no lurker lynch idea from exarezee. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around. Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now. You are playing dumb as always  , but you are actually lying there. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote: Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments. That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him? I got a little lost there, I read it as: you want me to elaborate more on Paper right? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter. Give me a minute to elaborate on him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:20 hzflank wrote: The Paperscraps came from a Scum-Tree Paper rejoins the game with a big post that is basically just a list of town reads. He does not provide particularly good reasons for his town reads. This is scummy through and through. I dont care about a list of his town reads, I want to know who he thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you I already pointed out a specific thing that I did not like about this, which can be seen in this exchange. I encourage you all to read it from post 493 to 503. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=25#493 Paper's excuse for the inconstancy was that he did not read properly, but it was not one of those moments where you can tell that he was obviously being truthful. Paper refused to answer any of my questions. How am I possibly supposed to get a town read on him when he does not answer my questions? If Paper were town then he would of answered them as honestly as possible. Also, what does this actually tell us? It's pure fluff in an attempt to pad a post that contains zero useful information for town. This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: On July 28 2013 18:25 Paperscraps wrote: Maybe I am missing something, but reading through Oats' filter he doesn't push on you. He doesn't even directly call you scum. I am not sure what you are looking for here. I believe what he has said about you so far is decent. I really don't see how it contradicts my read. Stepping on toes = abrasive. Is your gripe with him calling you defensive? On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. In general I have no idea how Paper even arrived at the useless town reads in that post because he did not explain them in a townie way. So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? In addition, when Paper is pushed and finally gives us a scum read it is this: He gives us a single sentence as to why he wants to lynch Vivax. A single sentence in a game with 400+ posts to use for information. Then he adds a second scum read. He never actually pushes either of these reads at all. Not once does he even direct a post at Vivax or JAT. Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. Paper later says that he has changed his mind about me and thinks I may be scum. I engage him in conversation (linked above) and he does not even try to push his read on me at all. If Paper actually had a scum read on me then why did that conversation go as it did? How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. How is any of this not scummy? How can people be saying that Paper's filter looks town? What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: + Show Spoiler + Malongo Let's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him. Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners) On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote: And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. "Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1. Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now. Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum? Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here. This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo. ##Vote Malongo You are actually dodging the point when I called out the post of hz being inconsistent with the town benefit to lynch lurkers day1. When I said *no leads* I was clearly calling this post in mind On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote: Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote: What? You're saying when you said there were no leads you were talking about that post by hz? I really don't understand what you're saying. Ergo I am mafia so lets write my name in colors? LOL | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote: Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible. Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner. FUCKING CONSOLIDATE I am pointing out directly at the post where hz didnt want to pressure lurkers early because *it was best for the town to consolidate 2/3 wagons early* wich never happened because there was only one wagon on Paper. If he wanted more wagons then why did hz kept focusing on convincing everyone that Paper is mafia. Clarity you are actively ignoring that he lied. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh Clarity; It was because you did call FT town for stupid reasons (the scumslip thing) and your case on Malongo, which was bad in my opinion (non-alignment indicative stuff from him). Then you just consolidate on Paperscraps without a word on JAT / FT any more. For the record Clarity, Koshi and CJS are town for me. | ||
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And your top suspects are...? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna lynch JAT/Rayn/malongo at this point. And your thoughts on hz and VA? | ||
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Would you rather lynch Vivax or Koshi? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu. To everyone who wants to answer: Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch? I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch. Also @Oats: If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why? I think the answer is "depends". For me a D1 lynch > no lynch with about anyone on the block including me. Later the amount of info from fliping a player may not worth it. For D2 I think no lynch is like a nono. btw ##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I have a guilty check on malongo. awaiting his response! If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:54 justanothertownie wrote: Parenthesis? Sorry, im not a native speaker. I liked this check because I came to the conclusion that Tofu and hz are likely to be scum and Malongo was a null read for me which fits in really well because hz wanted no connection between Malongo and Koshi to be had while Koshi was treated as scum. Boy are you sure nobody is telling you to pull this kind of post? Is no *I am not the real dt but...*** told me to? | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:36 exarezee wrote: This is a very very strange statement to make. It looks like a forced response believing Vayne's check on him. "If there is no miller..." line looks completely made up. How does one not know what possible roles are in the game. Furthermore let's assume he truly doesn't know the possible roles, why question whether there is a miller, and then your plan of action is dependent upon there being a vig? Why don't you say, "if there a vig, kill me asap." i'm probably going to vote malongo today just for this response. it looks egregiously bad to me. You are actively ignoring that hzflak and Clarity confirmed no millers 6 or 8 posts before mine. At that point I had little time to add to much and honestly I have never seen a mafia game with 0 vigis int TL. Have you?. I am ready to answer any questions. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you want the vigilante to shoot you instead of the guy who fakeclaimed a check on you and you know it? Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:15 exarezee wrote: You could be right. A lot of people keep insisting for the vigi to do this and to do that. I had no idea there was a vigi in almost all games. This is my first game, and I haven't read any other games to be honest. Then I ask you to be a little more careful about your reads. Please recheck the thread from VAs claim to see if my post makes sense or not. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Malongo you're aware no one is allowed to correspond out of thread except for scum, right? ehm no?¡ last time I played here there were pms going everywhere. As I never really liked pms I dont usually work like that or comunicate with anyone. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:27 hzflank wrote: How could scum possibly contact Vayne behind the scenes? Using pms that I just read cant be used. Clearly things have changed on TL. LOL. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does vigging Malongo over vayne in that situation make Malongo think one of them survives? Malongo flips green, vayne is a confirmed liar -> he gets lynched whatever he flips. Now shoot Malongo already. Because he can call out the player contacting him claiming dt and the real dt comes out. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote: How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK. Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town? Player A: hey VA im dt checked malongo he is mafia VA: o shit if I dont call this out im going to be called out myself MA is hit VA:ok player A contacted me and claimed faking this so he is mafia.=> town gets a confirmed mafia. | ||
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##Unvote. ##Vote: Malongo | ||
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I am not kidding clearly. | ||
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Fuck you, you are mafia arent you? | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:33 Koshi wrote: I fucking agree with this. This would save me from ok then im changing to xrz i know im green, idiot as much as you want but green. | ||
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##Vote XRS. I understand If I go first no complaints. | ||
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##Vote XRS. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:38 Clarity_nl wrote: If you're green you'll die for a greater cause than you were ever capable of creating by yourself. no complaints, I was ready when I called the vigi on me. | ||
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On July 26 2013 13:32 Malongo wrote: /in Idiots dont let me play past night 2. GG | ||
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Integrated Circuit maybe? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:27 hzflank wrote: yeah  I wasn't sure how many of Koshi, Malongo and JAT were scum. They already wanted to lynch me and people need to consolidate in majority vote. When so many other people started to say I might be scum N1 I thought it was a setup and I just wanted to stop it then and there. At the time I did not know that we had no Vig or Doctor. Without a Vig or Doctor the Vet role would of gave us an extra lynch if I could of taken a shot instead. Funny that you actually pushed one of the best D1 townies. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:29 hzflank wrote: So why on earth did Malongo self-vote D2 when the only person with a vote on him was his scum-buddy?! I was having time issues (I even asked for a replacement hours before vaynes fakeclaim). I just went full retard this game, really. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Reading the scum qt, how did I not die n1? Cause FT sent the actions and I came 1 late to deadline. :/ | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote: 1. yea because everyone else is a host and knows hes the cop right? down syndrome. 2. I can do whatever I want. down syndrome 3. I read the scum QT so good job lying again. They thought I was the real cop. down syndrome. Conclusion: You have down syndrome! Hey, watch out your wording smart boy. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote: why didnt Scum kill Rayn? Because it made a lot of sense that the medic was on him all the way, and was helping us actually. Mafia always thought there was a medic, because of the PR. You can read the mafia qt. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't believe I said anything about the doc outside of the Obs QT. You can see in mafia qt that they put JAT as the medic until the end. | ||
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