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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn, koshi too dumb to be town man. I have never ever seen him play like this. Do you think both of Stutters / JAT are town? Like, i could see that as possible, but Koshi's N1 posts feel townie to me. He is pushing a conspiracy theory that makes no sense but i think he genuinely believes in it. | ||
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justanothertownie
16343 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote: Day 2 starts and I claim Vet. Scum have to decide whether they can lynch me anyway or not, and the answer very much depends on who the scum team are. For example, they were never going to get a vote from town-Rayn or town-Clarity, but they could get a vote from them if they were scum. Then Vayne fake claims Cop. Was that a move my scum-Vayne as a response to my Vet claim? That would only be true if scum were seriously in trouble without my lynch on the table. I do not see a scum composition that includes Vayne and that would be in so much trouble D2 they they would need to pull that. Scum are only 1 mislynch from MYLO anyway and they know not to shoot the Vet. I don't follow this logic. Why would scum need to lynch you specifically? Why do you think Vaynes claim is an answer to yours? On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote: Another reason as to why Vayne is town is because people are not calling him scum. Let me explain: if Vayne is scum then he pulled that move to setup a mislynch other than me. Therefore, he must of purposefully be waiting for someone to “Slip-up” so that he could un-claim and call that person scum. He did that when JAT posted. The fact that is was JAT would have been a bonus for scum-Vayne because several town already thought that JAT was scum. Next question: Why are the people not voting JAT also not attacking Vayne? If you think that JAT is town then you should absolutely think that Vayne is scum who was waiting to replace me as a mislynch target. I also don't understand this. Yes, your explanation for scum Vayne might be true but it's not the only possible explanation. I still don't see why Vayne absolutely has to be scum if I'm town. Maybe he just wanted to bait people into posting carelessly and see if he finds scum? Don't know why it makes me scum if he interprets my responses as scummy. Maybe someone could enlighten me if I'm just to dumb to see it at the moment but you make no sense to me. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi don't be bad please. Reread what Oats said about Malongo. Hz's claim makes no sense from scum PoV, if there is a real vet he would have been cc'd and lynched. Let's start with XRZ and keep an eye on these 2. We will see. I can make mistakes. Maybe. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:56 hzflank wrote: Scum want to position thenselves so that they can vote for town without implicating themselves. It is much easier to make sure of a mislynch if at least a couple of scum can get their vote on easily. Especially when they are 8 town, 4 scum and 7 needed to lynch. A big part of your point against Malongo is that he does not properly understand Mafia yet. As you say if Malongo is town then he knows that Vayne is lying, so to Malongo the best way to prove it is to flip himself now so that Vayne can be lynched after. This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So he made a case on ft. Tell me how that makes him town and not scum. Explain the town reasons. It's not that he made the case. As Vivax asked me, do you think that case was made by scum? Read it carefully. Also consider Stutter's posts on day 2. They are town. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? I don't, but I can very much believe that Malongo would. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:59 hzflank wrote: I don't, but I can very much believe that Malongo would. Why exactly is that? Have you played with Malongo before, or where do you base that assumption of yours? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? Listen to hz man. He is smart. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why exactly is that? Have you played with Malongo before, or where do you base that assumption of yours? Mostly from this game. I also read a little bit of I Swear 2. Check this post: On July 29 2013 23:20 Malongo wrote: I think the answer is "depends". For me a D1 lynch > no lynch with about anyone on the block including me. Later the amount of info from fliping a player may not worth it. For D2 I think no lynch is like a nono. btw | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
FT's D1 actions are fucking suspicious, Stutters' case on him is very good, and his reaction to vayne's check is really fishy. Can people look at FT and tell me what do they think about him. ##Unvote: | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:59 hzflank wrote: It's not that he made the case. As Vivax asked me, do you think that case was made by scum? Read it carefully. Also consider Stutter's posts on day 2. They are town. If its all gut feeling, I have nothing more to say. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:57 justanothertownie wrote: I don't follow this logic. Why would scum need to lynch you specifically? Why do you think Vaynes claim is an answer to yours? Scum did not need to lynch me specifically. What scum do is have different people make attacks and see what sticks. Then they look at thread sentiment and position themselves so that they can realistically vote for someone who several town will also vote for. Scum were positioned so that enough of them could vote for me to get me lynched, If they could even get 3 town plus 2 scum on me, then others would have to join to consolidate anyway. Ideally scum also leave themselves options in case something goes wrong, so that they can follow the thread sentiment and vote for a different townie. Vayne's claim would only be response to mine if my claim put the game in a state where it was likely that scum would be lynched on day 2. For example, after my claim if the two most likely people to be lynched by scum then scum need to do something to change that. So from JAT as town point of view, some of the other people who were going to vote for me are scum. Suddenly when that option goes away Vayne makes a big claim and leaves town JAT in a position where JAT is the most likely to be lynched. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: If its all gut feeling, I have nothing more to say. I don;t play by gut feelings. I read that post by Stutter's at least 5 times and I tried to read it from a scum pov and a town pov. It is unlikely that post came from a scum pov. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 30 2013 22:17 hzflank wrote: I don;t play by gut feelings. I read that post by Stutter's at least 5 times and I tried to read it from a scum pov and a town pov. It is unlikely that post came from a scum pov. if you cant explain it. Its gut feeling. stop bullshitting yourself. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think both of Stutters / JAT are town? Like, i could see that as possible, but Koshi's N1 posts feel townie to me. He is pushing a conspiracy theory that makes no sense but i think he genuinely believes in it. I think stutters is scum. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Also Koshi what made you change from me being scum to town over the last couple of pages? | ||
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