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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#1781
I suppose that might be explained by FT being a little bit OMGUS.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:12 GMT
#1782
Fuck it, let´s just kill this scum.
##Vote: FirmTofu
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:12 GMT
#1783
On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We need 7 votes to lynch on day 2.

During N1 the following people all but confirmed that they would vote for me D2 and nothing would change their minds:

Koshi
Malongo
JAT

Towards the end of N2 the following people changed their read one me to scum, even they they have not scum-hunted in my direction much throughout the whole game:

Rayn
Vayne
Clarity
Exar (to a lesser extent)

Those 4 people positioned themselves nicely so that they could vote for me without looking like scum. I was totally being set up for a D2 lynch. What we do not know is why. Was it forced or did it happen naturally?

Also notice that Vivax, Stutters and to a lesser extent Tofu and Oats were positioned so that they could not easily vote on me, and would at least have to do some work first. CJS was basically inactive.

Day 2 starts and I claim Vet. Scum have to decide whether they can lynch me anyway or not, and the answer very much depends on who the scum team are. For example, they were never going to get a vote from town-Rayn or town-Clarity, but they could get a vote from them if they were scum.

Then Vayne fake claims Cop. Was that a move my scum-Vayne as a response to my Vet claim? That would only be true if scum were seriously in trouble without my lynch on the table. I do not see a scum composition that includes Vayne and that would be in so much trouble D2 they they would need to pull that. Scum are only 1 mislynch from MYLO anyway and they know not to shoot the Vet.

Another reason as to why Vayne is town is because people are not calling him scum. Let me explain: if Vayne is scum then he pulled that move to setup a mislynch other than me. Therefore, he must of purposefully be waiting for someone to “Slip-up” so that he could un-claim and call that person scum. He did that when JAT posted. The fact that is was JAT would have been a bonus for scum-Vayne because several town already thought that JAT was scum. Next question: Why are the people not voting JAT also not attacking Vayne? If you think that JAT is town then you should absolutely think that Vayne is scum who was waiting to replace me as a mislynch target.

What we have instead is Oats calling Malongo scum even though Malongo's response to the claim fits perfectly with his personality. I have been told that Oats is not bad at this game, so if he thinks that JAT is town then he should have been after Vayne (or at least Rayn) who setup JAT, rather than going after Malongo. Also, Oats thinks that Stutters is scum when Stutters is absolutely the most town person in the thread (based on posts before and after the day post) and Stutters is in fact the most obvious NK target anyway.

As for JAT himself, why he still attacking me? From his position he should of questions why Vayne would fake-claim like that and came to the conclusion that Vayne would only do that if I were town. It is as if Jat was told to attack me and did not receive new orders so he just continued to do so.

Clarity is a weird one. It was really scummy the way his end of night post called Stutters and me scum. That put Clarity in a position where he could easily vote for either of us and at the time it looked like I was being setup for a mislynch and that I thought Stutters was scum and would be willing to vote for him D2. Also consider that Clarity was an odd RB target. The only reason to RB Clarity was to make him look more like scum after Vivax flipped. If Clarity is town then he should be questioning which scum would if pulled that move. Clarity defended my Vet claim which obviously gets him some town points in my eyes. On the other hand, if Clarity is town then I would expect him to go hard after Vayne (more likely RB target). This holds more true considering the list at the start of this post because Clarity and Vayne were both positioning themselves to drop an easy vote on me.

If you want to find scum, look at the lists at the start of this post. If you are on one of those lists and know that you are town then you should be able to figure out who the most likely scum are.


I like this post. Saying "people who had a scumread on me n1 must be scum trying to set me up to lynch" is a proper townie mentality.

I'm gonna talk about the roleblock a bit. First lets just get out of the way that I have no crumb, regardless of if I'm blue or vt.
I also think I played pretty fearless. So why did I get roleblocked? I dunno.
What I can tell you that some targets made more sense to roleblock, specifically Vayne, maybe stutters if he's town.
I went back through my own filter to try and find something that might look like a crumb or an indication that I'm blue but I can't find it.

What I can explain though, is why my claim makes no sense as scum.
Two scenarios:
1. Scum doesn't have a roleblocker. Yes, without thinking about it much using roleblock claims to look townie might be a good idea BUT this doesn't hold up. Either I would have to constantly claim being roleblocked or other scum would have to start claiming they are roleblocked. This makes a pattern that'll screw scum lategame regardless.

2. Scum DOES have a roleblocker. So this is assuming that scum decided not to roleblock anyone so I could claim being roleblocked. Problem here is why? Was I in danger of being lynched? I suppose Vivax was putting pressure on me but I didn't think it was all too serious, and even if it was, scum killed Vivax. It also leaves me screwed where I get roleblocked n1 and then I live till much later? Makes no sense.

So I'm town, and I claimed being roleblocked because I was, and that's what you do when you're town and you get roleblocked.

On July 30 2013 22:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Also what are you talking about with the scumslip townslip?


Stutters confirmed not reading the goddamn thread. I was fairly certain you were scum until your reaction to Vayne's fakeclaim. So either:
1. Vayne is scum with you so you knew how to react ahead of time.
2. You're being useless town by not trying very hard.

Seriously it's been brought up many times, it might even be the reason tofu didn't get lynched day 1. How can you not know this shit if you claim to have read the thread.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 14:13 GMT
#1784
I am not convinced yet Rayn. I am still going looking for the person most likely to be scum today. That might be FT but I feel like I need to put in a lot more work to figure it out.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 30 2013 14:14 GMT
#1785
On July 30 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it, let´s just kill this scum.
##Vote: FirmTofu

FT is confirmed town rayn. You are being wrong. Don't leave the XRZ wagon.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 14:19 GMT
#1786
I just want to make sure that everyone keeps this at the back of their minds today:

We may only have 1 mislynch left and we still need to lynch 4 scum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16342 Posts
July 30 2013 14:21 GMT
#1787
Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:25 GMT
#1788
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 30 2013 14:25 GMT
#1789
On July 30 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi?

Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:26 GMT
#1790
Nevermind, i didn´t see Clarity´s post. Basically that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:26 GMT
#1791
On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi?

Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter.

How the FUCK does FT´s filter scream town?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:27 GMT
#1792
On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi?

Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter.

'
What? No it doesn't.
And saying one person looks scummier than the other does not absolve either.
Unless you believe that, if xrz is scum, FT cannot be. In which case I'd like to hear why
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 14:28 GMT
#1793
On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?


Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also.

Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 30 2013 14:29 GMT
#1794
But then I got to make a big case D:
I had a good night of sleep.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 30 2013 14:36 GMT
#1795
On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have a guilty check on malongo.
awaiting his response!

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.


This is a very very strange statement to make. It looks like a forced response believing Vayne's check on him. "If there is no miller..." line looks completely made up. How does one not know what possible roles are in the game. Furthermore let's assume he truly doesn't know the possible roles, why question whether there is a miller, and then your plan of action is dependent upon there being a vig? Why don't you say, "if there a vig, kill me asap."

i'm probably going to vote malongo today just for this response. it looks egregiously bad to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:38 GMT
#1796
On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?


Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also.

Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum?


I'm not sure, I think so.

What I do know is that if Vayne is scum, stutters is scum.
Stutters might be scum without Vayne being scum, though.
I think it's also safe to say that Vayne and JAT are not BOTH scum.

If Vayne doesn't do shit today like day 1 (yes he did a fancy fakeclaim, huzzah) I'm willing to lynch him, he needs to make up for day 1.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:39 GMT
#1797
On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?


Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also.

Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum?

Who do you mean were more likely to be roleblocked? Vayne & Vivax? Would you really believe an obvious claims like vayne´s / Vivax´ are true as mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 30 2013 14:40 GMT
#1798
Clarity vayne is not scum. If he was scum he would have fakeclaimed the check on someone like me or you.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 14:40 GMT
#1799
On July 30 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote:
On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why?


Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also.

Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum?

Who do you mean were more likely to be roleblocked? Vayne & Vivax? Would you really believe an obvious claims like vayne´s / Vivax´ are true as mafia?


To be honest I was thinking about Oats or CJS. They did nothing during the night phase.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 30 2013 14:41 GMT
#1800
On July 30 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity vayne is not scum. If he was scum he would have fakeclaimed the check on someone like me or you.


Could you explain? The check on Malongo would seem more genuine regardless of his alignment, Malongo would have been a good check if we have a cop.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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