On July 29 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is

1. Scummy, 2. Terrible.

XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain.

If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons)..

I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too?

Who is XRZ?

I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why.

It's worth noting that after that game I "ragequit" mafia for like 6 months. It wasn't the case itself that I screwed up it was the timing and the target.
And you're just saying the bad feeling crap cause I gave you shit for your bad list post, which was bad.
Then you got all original and stuff and it was great, if not a bit tunnelly and chaotic nearing lynchtime

Vivax just threw three new wide accusations into the air and hoped something sticked. I'm town, I think JAT is town, I think exa is active but ultimately null.

Vayne do you still think Vivax is scum and if so could you explain it a bit more please?

So you are still holding on to your argument that i should have accused some people who were universally considered as town, let's say Oats and you, so i would have looked more townie to you. Now i looked bad because i said who i thought were scummy and other people were thinking alike. Isn't that a bit ridiculous?

No, I'm saying you had no original opinions at the time so your entrance into the thread was weak. That's what you were talking about when you said you had a bad feeling right? Or did you mean something else?

I form my opinions mostly by talking with other players. I have really hard time to get a grasp of the game by only reading it, which i was forced to do here for the first ~30hours or so.

I don't remember what it exactly was that made me feel worse about you, because there a re more scummy people and i wanted to lynch mafia, so i didn't really care, and now it's not relevant until the end of the night phase.

Fair enough but I would like you to figure it out or some point

On July 29 2013 22:29 Vivax wrote:
Clarity, how happy are you with the suggestion XRZ (exarezee) and Vayne as next two lynches?

Way too early to say. Obviously Vayne had better be a shining beacon of green day 2 since his self-proclaimed "I don't give a fuck day 1"
I never really understood people calling XRZ town halfway through day 1, I suppose it was the effort, which was surely there.
He woulda been a bad lynch day 1 anyway. Is he a good lynch day 2? I dunno

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:33 GMT

#1223

Malongo who are your top suspects now?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:38 GMT

#1224

Oh Clarity; It was because you did call FT town for stupid reasons (the scumslip thing) and your case on Malongo, which was bad in my opinion (non-alignment indicative stuff from him). Then you just consolidate on Paperscraps without a word on JAT / FT any more.

Vivax

22089 Posts

July 29 2013 13:38 GMT

#1225

Rayn, XRZ scum

Two of Vayne/Clarity/JAT pretty much.

I'm not stopping to post this night until I've convinced town that XRZ is scum. Case incoming.

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

July 29 2013 13:39 GMT

#1226

hz is top of tops to me. Next to him active lurkers like JAT and VA should be put in line asap. I read a lot of inconsistency in Vivax and I found it odd that you are/were pushing so hard on Koshi who is town from my perspective. but neither of those things look alligment indicative to me.

Vivax

22089 Posts

July 29 2013 13:39 GMT

#1227

Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though.

Am I not scum any more rayn?

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

July 29 2013 13:41 GMT

#1228

On July 29 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh Clarity; It was because you did call FT town for stupid reasons (the scumslip thing) and your case on Malongo, which was bad in my opinion (non-alignment indicative stuff from him). Then you just consolidate on Paperscraps without a word on JAT / FT any more.

For the record Clarity, Koshi and CJS are town for me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:42 GMT

#1229

On July 29 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though.

Am I not scum any more rayn?

I don't know. You new look to the game on N1 is interesting and i agree on it to some extent. I still think FT is scum though. I would lynch hz instantly if there was that "Oats case" comment.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:43 GMT

#1230

EBWOP: ...if there wasn't...

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 29 2013 13:45 GMT

#1231

hz probably town for pulling that 50% chance of lynching scum out of his ass.

Rayn scum for posting a bullshit list post and wanting to lynch Obv town FT and Papers. Rayn is not bad at this game but he is lynching horrible targets man.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 29 2013 13:47 GMT

#1232

On July 29 2013 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Clarity_nl: Did you read the thread already? If you did what is your opinion on the last 4 pages.

I am referring to the posts between Vivax/Koshi/hzflank
and also jat 4 scumreads and jat saying he is new.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:47 GMT

#1233

On July 29 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
hz probably town for pulling that 50% chance of lynching scum out of his ass.

Rayn scum for posting a bullshit list post and wanting to lynch Obv town FT and Papers. Rayn is not bad at this game but he is lynching horrible targets man.

Actually when i got to do my stuff for a while i wanted to lynch Koshi and not FT.. What did you do then? Oh i remember, you didn't give a shit about who we lynch.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 29 2013 13:49 GMT

#1234

On July 29 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +

Actually when i got to do my stuff for a while i wanted to lynch Koshi and not FT.. What did you do then? Oh i remember, you didn't give a shit about who we lynch.

Oh right, I remembered that the night post is so fucking early. get off your high horse. Koshi also might be too dumb to be scum, still thinking about that.

So now, who would you lynch rayn? And if you are telling me to check your filter, go and quote the relevent posts.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 29 2013 13:50 GMT

#1235

On July 29 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:

Show nested quote +

I am referring to the posts between Vivax/Koshi/hzflank
and also jat 4 scumreads and jat saying he is new.

I'll get back to you about this later today

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 29 2013 13:50 GMT

#1236

Vivax, why are we lynching active player exarezee? I NEED REASONS.
Feels a lot like your tunneling marv for no reason.

Malongo

Chile3472 Posts

July 29 2013 13:51 GMT

#1237

So "this guy is not that bad so he is mafia" is a valid argument now. Seems to be the trend.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 29 2013 13:53 GMT

#1238

On July 29 2013 22:51 Malongo wrote:
So "this guy is not that bad so he is mafia" is a valid argument now. Seems to be the trend.

well yes in fact.
You see, if a good player is scum, he obviously doesnt want to lynch his own team right? So he has to push bad town players. And normally that 'good' player as town doesnt push bad town players. #science

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 29 2013 13:54 GMT

#1239

This too dumb to be scum is annoying me. My reads are being very hot last couple of days. I don't think

Currently lynchstreak:
3 correct scums (reads before flip) on I swear 2. Voted Artanis (as second) and then put last 2 on top of my list in the night.
2 correct scums in Sicilian (SnB, Kyronne)
Correct about town on paper in this game
Correct about you being town in Sicilian (that one took a while)

I am feeling pretty good about the current lynch target as well. So this too dumb to be scum is just silly. I am not too dumb sorry. Put me on your scum list. Thank you.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2013 13:54 GMT

#1240

I also never wanted to lynch Paper. I put my vote on him because there was already a majority on him, it was 3minutes to the deadline, and i can be wrong about him too and didn't want people to screw around the lynch.

Imagine what would be going on now if i had not voted for him. I can do that for you Oats. Knowing you you would be screaming now that Paper & Vivax are confirmed scum. If Vivax is in fact town that's a really shitty situation, and that's why i don't understand his unvote.

It's pretty clear what my intentions were around the lynch and you are bad because you are unable to understand them.

I don't know who i want to lynch now. The good thing is i don't have to until tomorrow.