EPT1) Koshi and Paper are scum
2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town
Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player.
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Koshi
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1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. | ||
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1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise 2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town | ||
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Unicorns! | ||
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justanothertownie
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hzflank
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On July 29 2013 20:18 Vivax wrote: You said he was voting PS so he could push you in case he turned up town, which is nonsensical for someone who thought PS was scum. You know my half-a-dozen scumreads, if you want to help me get a better read of you, could you give me your opinion on them?If they aren't your scumbuddies it should end up being unbiased and you have nothing to fear. I thought that Paper was the most likely to flip scum on day 1. I think that it is rare to actually lynch scum on day 1, so that means that I thought there was a 50% or so chance of Paper being scum. I thought that there was less chance of each other person being scum. Clarity is probably my strongest town read. He seemed to play a solid day 1. We got off to a bad start but he gradually became more town to me throughout the day. He seemed to be posting sensibly around the time of the lynch and I think I agreed with his entire attitude towards the lynch. I am not particularly comfortable in giving a read on Exar as I was not diligent enough in reading him around lynch time and I need to go back and do that at some point today. I was town on Exar after his day 1 exchange with Tofu. I disagree with some of his game theory regarding a single person trying to push more than 1 person at a lynch, but that alone is not enough to make me think that he Is scum. I do need to fully read him though, as I get the feeling that I am missing something or that there is something there that should make my read better, one way or the other. I am also thinking that Rayn is town. As scum he would not of needed to be so active around the lynch. I liked that he finally switched his vote to Paper to avoid the no lynch. To completely agree with his points on you (Vivax) regarding a no lynch, as there is no good town motivation to attempt to cause a no lynch. This is game theory again though, and not enough to make me lean heavily scum on someone. If we had unlimited Vig shots I would say just shoot JAT now (I am not sure if he is currently the best Vig target, but I would not complain). I do not think he has town a single thing that is obviously town. At this early stage of the lynch cycle he already seems like he might fly under the lynch radar though, hence him being a good Vig target. I do not like to sheep, but considering what happened on day 1 I need to be a bit careful (for the town's sake, not mine) so I will be willing to consolidate my vote onto JAT if the time comes and without question. I doubt that JAT will be able to make me change my mind regarding that. I am a bit annoyed by Vayne's day 1 play. Even if he refuses to actually scum hunt he should have a duty to at least let other townies get a read on him. I expect a lot more from Vayne on day 2 and hopefully I will be able to get a better read. I absolutely would not push for a Vayne lynch, but I would not fight against it either. | ||
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justanothertownie
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All I can say at the moment is that hz and you could very well both be scum. I could imagine hz encouraging you to attack him in the thread because it's not very likely for him to get lynched. Besides I don't believe he has any reluctance to bus you hard. | ||
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Koshi
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Try to find reasons why we are both scum outside the "you guys are bussing each other" because it is generally more likely scum will ignore each other. Or have some interaction but not go as harsh against each other as we are currently doing. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote: So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time. 1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote: A scum player on the other hand 1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise 2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. | ||
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Vivax
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I thought that Paper was the most likely to flip scum on day 1. I think that it is rare to actually lynch scum on day 1, so that means that I thought there was a 50% or so chance of Paper being scum. I thought that there was less chance of each other person being scum. I paint whatever Paper does in a scummy light because I think he is scum. I am not going to phrase things like I think Paper is a shining beacon of town while I am pushing a case on him. As I have already explained in this thread, my early vote on Paper was not meant to stick. I did not intend to tunnel him but I think that his posts were bad enough to warrant me pushing for his lynch. In no instance you show ANY doubt about Paper, pulling a 50 % chance out of your bum looks terrible, especially in light of the fact you did never listen to any arguments I have shown you for PS being town, instead you tried to use them against him. If you were really so convinced about Paper being scum, then that doesn't need a 50 % justification. During the day, you often defended yourself against the accusation that you're tunneling him. Yet you also said you would paint things scummy cause you thought he was scum. In summary, you lack the sense of righteousness you should have if you were a townie. You do cause you realize that the post to Koshi looks terrible, and you need to make something up to justify that you noticed that Koshi was pushing you, and would have used PS flip against you. That wouldn't have been your concern if you were town genuinely believing that PS was scum, you would have rather argued that Koshi was bussing his teammate now that he didn't manage to defend him. Instead you argued that he would have used PS' flip against you. Now you have to weaken your retrospective scumread on PS to make up for that mistake. That's my take. Any particular point you think I'm wrong about? Do you realize why I'm suspicious of you? | ||
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hzflank
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I said many times during day 1 that I was not tunnelling Paper and I did try to give him a chance to make me move my vote off of him. At the end of the day, it came down to voting for who I thought was the most likely to be scum. I also pushed my read hard, and those two things are all that any town player can do on day 1. The points that Koshi just made make him look worse than me. I was very obviously trying to decide whether to move my vote onto Koshi or not (at the time Rayn was asking people to do it), and one of the first things that anyone should do in that situation is to try to work out whether Koshi's vote on Paper was well justified from a town perspective. All those posts by Koshi really do is make his own vote look less justified, where as I think I played as town should. Throughout this entire game some people have accused me for one thing while another group of people accuse me for the opposite thing. And ofcourse if I do not take a strong stance then both groups would accuse me of sitting on fences. At this point the obvious thing that I am doing is trying to work out which accusations I agree with and which I do not, as the ones that I do not agree with are more likely to come from scum. | ||
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Vivax
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I think I like his last post, that said, I'll need more time to evaluate Flank's play, andI very probably won't lynch him tomorrow. I prefer focusing on other dudes for now. That said, Koshi, you have lacked some assertivity in your last posts (some were provocative) and I would like to hear more from you. Who do we lynch if it isn't Flank? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On July 29 2013 21:32 Koshi wrote: Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. Interesting. Why am i scum then? | ||
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