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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:13 GMT
#1261
On July 29 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched.

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?


I think he is lying about not being new.
Also why doesnt scum attack? He sees a bad case, DESTROY. I dont get why he would defend assuming Vivax made the 'same' case?

The second part, I dont see how thats alignment indicative.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:14 GMT
#1262
On July 29 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So bad tunneling townie or scum Vivax? I dunno, Im willing to let him stay alive for a bit and lynch other dudes first.


Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like.

He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well.

What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing.

I did read it.
And it could be bad tunneling townie.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:14 GMT
#1263
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


I think that nolynch wouldve been better at that situation.

I would probably have not voted for either FT or paper, I really do not see them as scum.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 14:16 GMT
#1264
If someone can can explain why FT is town that would be cool, because i don't see it.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:17 GMT
#1265
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


In this majority system I am a firm believer of making sure a lynch happens.
Reason: Because the clusterfuck that will happen when a lynch fails. People will be extremely divided and won't be able to come to their senses for a next target. The thread would evolve into a shitfest and scum can roam freely.

I came to this conclusion after vivax asked me what I found of him remvoing his vote. I dislike that move extremely now but I can't put scum on his name for it. Just a very very bad move.

I was 99% sure that Paper was town.
I had a good night of sleep.
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
July 29 2013 14:17 GMT
#1266
On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


I think that nolynch wouldve been better at that situation.

I would probably have not voted for either FT or paper, I really do not see them as scum.

Could you answer the second part of my question, Oats?


...Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 14:18 GMT
#1267
On July 29 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:
On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched.

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:
On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?


I think he is lying about not being new.
Also why doesnt scum attack? He sees a bad case, DESTROY. I dont get why he would defend assuming Vivax made the 'same' case?

The second part, I dont see how thats alignment indicative.

So your argument is that he is not new and lying about it. Do you have any proof that supports that?
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21976 Posts
July 29 2013 14:19 GMT
#1268
On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So bad tunneling townie or scum Vivax? I dunno, Im willing to let him stay alive for a bit and lynch other dudes first.


Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like.

He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well.

What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing.

I did read it.
And it could be bad tunneling townie.


And you think bad tunneling townies forget their reasons for calling someone scum like that?
How is it tunneling anyway if he throws away his case to weaken his own read of PS?

He could have gone like: "Joke post or not, he's still scum for the other reasons I mentioned". That would have been tunneling townie.
Instead he doesn't care about his OWN REASONS.
How is that even tunneling townie.
Jesus christ, Oats.

How do you explain he's ignoring Vayne for posting trash when saying this:

Posting some fluff for the sake of posting and then disappearing is not. I'd rather he didn't post at all, or just make a "i'm going to bed see you guys tomorrow" post instead.


But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:20 GMT
#1269
On July 29 2013 23:17 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


I think that nolynch wouldve been better at that situation.

I would probably have not voted for either FT or paper, I really do not see them as scum.

Could you answer the second part of my question, Oats?

Show nested quote +

...Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

depends how strong your read is on them.

Rayn, FT is town for "SCUMSLIP, oh no wait never mind."
No gg, No skill.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 29 2013 14:20 GMT
#1270
On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?


I think the answer is "depends". For me a D1 lynch > no lynch with about anyone on the block including me. Later the amount of info from fliping a player may not worth it. For D2 I think no lynch is like a nono. btw

##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:20 GMT
#1271
On July 29 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So bad tunneling townie or scum Vivax? I dunno, Im willing to let him stay alive for a bit and lynch other dudes first.


Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like.

He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well.

What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing.

I did read it.
And it could be bad tunneling townie.


And you think bad tunneling townies forget their reasons for calling someone scum like that?
How is it tunneling anyway if he throws away his case to weaken his own read of PS?

He could have gone like: "Joke post or not, he's still scum for the other reasons I mentioned". That would have been tunneling townie.
Instead he doesn't care about his OWN REASONS.
How is that even tunneling townie.
Jesus christ, Oats.

How do you explain he's ignoring Vayne for posting trash when saying this:

Show nested quote +
Posting some fluff for the sake of posting and then disappearing is not. I'd rather he didn't post at all, or just make a "i'm going to bed see you guys tomorrow" post instead.

Show nested quote +

But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore.


Dude, I dont think its a horrible case, but I want to lynch like 3 people before him.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:21 GMT
#1272
On July 29 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 29 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:
On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched.

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:
On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment.
I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home.

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?


I think he is lying about not being new.
Also why doesnt scum attack? He sees a bad case, DESTROY. I dont get why he would defend assuming Vivax made the 'same' case?

The second part, I dont see how thats alignment indicative.

So your argument is that he is not new and lying about it. Do you have any proof that supports that?

not a fucking thing except his name. Who names their account related mafia if they arent a smurf...
My argument is not dependant on whether he is new. Your defence is.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 14:22 GMT
#1273
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?

The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:23 GMT
#1274
On July 29 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?

The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.

You could possibly fake a scumslip find. FT cant.

ggnore
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21976 Posts
July 29 2013 14:23 GMT
#1275
On July 29 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?

The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.


Cool story bro.
You could also post reasons for why he's scum.
Not just fight reasons for which others give him a townread.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:24 GMT
#1276
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 14:25 GMT
#1277
Fine, give me a sec.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 29 2013 14:25 GMT
#1278
On July 29 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.
\
who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 29 2013 14:33 GMT
#1279
Actually no, i'm not going to post a case now.

Vivax, your case on exarezee. FT has made the same case on D1. Why did you come up with it only now and why didn't you comment on it in any way on D1?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 29 2013 14:33 GMT
#1280
On July 29 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.
\
who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi?

I don't know. That's the problem. It's crazy. I know of 1. But we don't agree even though my case is so compelling. I shall make a compilation before the night ends. Vivax is pushing me to look at clarity and XRZ but if they join hz in a scumteam this is the most incredible scumteam ever. Imagine you joining them. jeezus.
I had a good night of sleep.
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