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On July 29 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote:
##vote : hzflank
I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy.
Reasons:
1) Disagree on Paper
2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left.
This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions.
Not good enough.
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On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing.
No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that?
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On July 29 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why.
No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that.
It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today".
By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though.
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On July 29 2013 00:43 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why. No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that. It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today". By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though. Why would you not want a scum/scum wagon? (Even though I don't think paper/tofu is scum/scum but possible). YOU, knowing you are a town would rather chance someone else's scum read getting lynched than your own? You don't know if he has any agenda or not! Of course if you only have one scumread then you just push your single read. This is different after Day 1 when some people flips and you know if you can give more credence to someone's picks. This is just not logical that you would not want two people you think scum not to be the wagons. Of course once my goal of the two wagons is done, I can sit back. How does this make me scummy? I've already identified the best two lynch candidates in Day 1. In an extreme example, suppose I know for certain that both paper and tofu are scum. Should I not want both of them on the wagon?
Because unlike you, I don't tunnel. Therefore I don't know if my "2 scum wagons" are actually scum/scum or if I have misread.
You said that you've identified the best 2 lynch candidates. They may be the best ones to YOU, but to others (like me), they're not the best 2 lynch candidates. Are you going to just sit back, be stubborn, and not listen to anyone else's arguments?
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##Vote: Oatsmaster
I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore.
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Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.
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And stop giving me town cred for rage quitting. Give me town cred for this shit that I've done, not the ragequit.
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Hey guys, I promised I would make an explanation as to my meltdown, and here it is:
I've been involved in 3 games of mafia in the past week (I am Corazon, if anyone missed my smurfslip).
The first one was my own game, I Swear 2. I spent a lot of time waiting on the queue and making all of the QTs and doing everything a host needed to do, only to have scum play like absolute crap (almost on purpose, their plan was to buddy each other and hope the town wasn't using their brains) and to basically concede after D1. Z-BosoN purposefully leaked the scum team to the town and then proceeded to post the scum QT in the thread. I was really pissed and then really disappointed to see that no one agreed with my call for a ban. I had spent all that time on the game just to see it last one day and be really boring.
The second game was Bluelightz's game. Since it is ongoing, I will be brief. I spent 2 days getting bullied by Oats, getting trolled by the hosts, and then getting tunneled by a replacement player who did not even read my filter and just kept tunneling me and borderline started to bully me until I was finally mislynched after having a mini-meltdown on that thread. That really got me angry.
And then there is this game. I tried to roleplay a little bit, but then I realized that I hadn't watch the Pirates of the Caribbean movies in 6 months and forgot Jack Sparrow's manner of talking. I was doing really well until I smurfslipped like an idiot, and then proceeded to let frustration at everything that has been going on out and ragequitting. I really should have not reacted like that, except everything had just gotten to me at that point.
Lastly, there's the RL issues. Basically, my friend of 5 years basically bailed on a concert we were supposed to go to together. When I called her out on it (because she had been doing this repeatedly to me), she basically said we weren't close friends and that she had drifted apart from being friends with me. This hurt the most, and led from me being happy Corazon to sad Corazon, which made all the frustrating things even worse.
I'm sorry I acted like that, and I will try to put it past me and carry on with the game.
My sincerest apologies,
Corazon
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I will be going through all of the events that transpired since my last post and perhaps post a few thoughts.
For now, I just got Assassin's Creed 2, and I need something to distract me. After I play for a bit, I will get back to playing mafia.
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Alright, so I've caught up in the thread, and I'm going to post a few thoughts before I go to bed.
First of all, the discussion leading up to the lynch wasn't much of a discussion. It was a bunch of people trying to force their scumreads down each others' throats, and was really chaotic and not very helpful to the town. It also did not help that many people decided to talk about things unrelated to the lynch and other random lynch candidates.
VayneAuthority and Malongo MUST explain their votes. They look really bad, especially because we only barely managed to get enough votes to lynch Paperscraps. They're hipster votes basically show that they do not care about the lynch and they are not trying to scumhunt. I can forgive Oats for hipster voting because he missed all of the buildup to the lynch, and he basically has to hold on to his JAT read because that's all the scumhunting he has done. I feel like my vote is ok because when I left the two wagons were PS and JAT, two people I did not feel like lynching.
Rayn's last vote also looks really scummy:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Paperscraps
Fuck you all. Chance of success 5%.
If Rayn thought Paperscraps was town (or at least 95% town, coming from that post), he should not have voted for Paperscraps. Why is a no-lynch better than lynching a townie? You don't lynch your town reads solely in the interest of getting a lynch. How is his vote a town motivated one? I really don't see how.
Why was Paperscraps lynched again? He really seemed to be getting into the game towards the end. There were so many other players who were playing scummier than him. Paperscraps looked to be cooperating and trying to defend himself. Perhaps if he hadn't been tunneled and had not needed to defend himself since the get-go, he could've had some time to develop some better reads instead of posting every 2 minutes in an attempt to defend himself. VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters, and Koshi all looked really scummy on D1. Way scummier than Paperscraps. Perhaps if we had not gone into the crazy argument set on 1 of 3 players being lynched, we could have made a better lynch decision than Paperscraps.
Stutters' play really has me confused. He's going through this random personal vendetta against me, but he's not giving any specifics. He just goes on and on about how my play hasn't looked very townie, yet fails to explain the reasoning in-depth or provide any evidence to support. His erratic voting pattern also has me a bit worried. It really looked like he switched over to FirmTofu in an attempt to get his name off of the PS lynch, yet switched back over when it looked like a no-lynch was going to happen. That looks really fishy.
The same goes for Vivax and his voteswitch timing. He was the last vote off of the Paperscraps wagon and onto the FirmTofu wagon. It looks like it would be too obvious for scum to do, but with WIFOM, any vote switch shenanigans can be used as fair game. I don't want to put the "too scummy to be scum" seal on his voteswitch because he hasn't exactly been a "model town player".
That's all I have for now. I'm sorry if it looks like a jumbled up mess, the words are just being blurted out on the page as the thoughts come into my head. Tomorrow, I will look through FT's filter, Clairty's filter, and Hz's filter to see if I can get any better reads on these players.
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Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.
To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?
I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.
Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?
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On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.
To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?
I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.
Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?
I think that nolynch wouldve been better at that situation. I would probably have not voted for either FT or paper, I really do not see them as scum.
Could you answer the second part of my question, Oats?
...Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?
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Hey guys, I've been busy all day spending time with friends, and I'm about to go out for an hour and get some exercise. I'm sorry I can't post a long "if I die" post, but a lot of my scum reads were in my really long post about the D1 lynch. If anyone has any questions for me if I survive, I'd love to hear them when I return.
I also need to catch up with a lot of reading, so I will be busy for a little bit after I return.
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I don't understand why anyone believed VA's cop check in the first place.
It's pretty stupid to check some who is obviously scum. I would rather check someone I wasn't sure on.
I'm definitely up for a Malongo or Stutters lynch. I also need to check the filters that I promised to check last night but have been too busy to do.
I also need to read the last 10-15 pages more in-depth. I just kind of skimmed them, so I will go back and take a better look at them.
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I would be down for a Malongo lynch. He's being scummy as fuck and has not scumhunted at all this game. Also, he still has yet to explain his hipster vote which is ridiculously scummy in a majority lynch voting system.
##Vote: Malongo
Still wondering if Stutters is going to ever talk about why I'm scummy instead of just saying "CJS is scummy". Will it ever happen?
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On July 30 2013 16:38 Koshi wrote:
Now I am sad.
Read the whole thread before you jump to conclusions. I hope you learned that lesson...
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On July 30 2013 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So it was fake after all. Thought so.
So why should I vote Malongo?
Because you haven't been doing any original scumhunting so why start now
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I really do not understand why JAT and FT were getting votes. We need to lynch Malongo, Koshi, or Stutters today. Lynching anyone outside of that circle is a pretty stupid idea.
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On July 31 2013 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 00:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I really do not understand why JAT and FT were getting votes. We need to lynch Malongo, Koshi, or Stutters today. Lynching anyone outside of that circle is a pretty stupid idea.
Because FT is very very scummy.
Scummier than the three people I named? At least FirmTofu is showing some effort to scumhunting. The other 3 have been completely useless and are just mucking up the thread with random bullshit (especially Koshi).
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