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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 14:05 GMT
#4581
The vayne kill was a perfect example of scum thinking that XRZ is cop, rayn nothing and hz nothing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 06 2013 14:08 GMT
#4582
On August 06 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
The vayne kill was a perfect example of scum thinking that XRZ is cop, rayn nothing and hz nothing.

hz nothing meaning hz fakeclaimed vet or is scum?


I DONT GET IT.

Arguably, vayne was the sanest useful town member at that point.
STOP WIFOMING THAT NIGHT KILL. It didnt work yesterday and it wont work today man.
No gg, No skill.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 14:23 GMT
#4583
On August 06 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote:
The vayne kill was a perfect example of scum thinking that XRZ is cop, rayn nothing and hz nothing.

hz nothing meaning hz fakeclaimed vet or is scum?


I DONT GET IT.

Arguably, vayne was the sanest useful town member at that point.
STOP WIFOMING THAT NIGHT KILL. It didnt work yesterday and it wont work today man.

To clarify myself.
If hz is scum, he thinks that there are still 2 blue roles out there. He thought (as I proved before, that rayn was fake) so he RB on XRZ and kills vayne.

Or he kills vayne because vayne is a strong player and he wanted him death, and he roleblocks XRZ because he thinks rayn is a fake call.


But let's drop the wifoming around that then... I never took the Vayne nightkill into consideration for believing hz is scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 06 2013 14:29 GMT
#4584
no, but you never adequately explained why hz would take a 50/50 chance for basically no reason.
No gg, No skill.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 14:48 GMT
#4585
On August 06 2013 13:56 FirmTofu wrote:
Read my case please.


I did read it and I think that JAT is town. The most interesting part of your case is that you and me both looked at something JAT did and got opposite results.

Compare:

On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote:
AND
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real):
hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats.
Details tomorrow.


On August 05 2013 06:12 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real):
hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats.
Details tomorrow.


Either

Scum-JAT knows that the check is real and is leaving open the possibility of getting Vayne lynched before Malongo. Normally this would be impossible, but since Vaybe trolled D1 there could have been some hope. Still, without a counter-claim it is highly unlikely. We do not know whether first-timer JAT would know that, though.

Or

Town-JAT has no reason to trust Vayne more than he trusts Malongo. Hzflank was JAT's biggest scum read at the time, so he shared that scum-read with Malongo. This might make him initially more inclined to believe Malongo than Vayne.

Conclusion: JAT would be more likely to believe Vayne if JAT were scum. JAT would be less likely to believe Vayne if JAT were town. Minor town-cred for JAT.

Follow-up:

When Mal and Koshi are getting the most heat and JAT is being put on hold:

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 02:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, why the fuck are people not looking at JAT? This guy made a SCUM SLIP? Anyone want to explain to me how this guy isn't 100% confirmed mafia?


Conclusion: Tofu and JAT are less likely to be of the same alignment.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 14:50 GMT
#4586
Rayn saying that Stutters and Oats are both scum is wrong, imo.

Stutters recently posted this against Oats. It is quite a viscous point that has a good chance of sticking. I even used it in my case. I do not think that Stutters would use this kind of ammo in a scum-scum attack.

On August 06 2013 03:58 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 05 2013 16:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 05 2013 14:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
pretty ok shot Hzflank.

##vote stutters

Oats, you should probably work on reading the thread. Why do you think this is an OK shot when you have had me as a town read for the majority of the game? Also, why are you voting stutters without waiting for my flip?

??
Its a good shot because then we dont waste today lynching you

stutters is scum in every variation of the scumteam I can think of.

No, he hasn't eliminated it down to 3 or he wouldn't have said this. He needs to explain, let him.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 14:52 GMT
#4587
I don't know then. For me he took a chance because he saw many towns were pressuring him.

Why would he claim as town really? Because he would have to defend himself? Look how active this guy is. If he knows he is town let the scummies attack him, he knows he can counter and point out the mistakes + find scum.

Or claim it when he actually is going to get lynched? Pff. I don't like the claim as town.

Also look at how he played Day 1 and then how he played Day 2. He clearly was shaken by the red check he got during Day 1/Night 1. His day 2 posting was pretty laid back and he asked questions to everybody, something he clearly didn't feel to do when he was almost entirely on Paper day 1. While hz claimed that he was only 50% certain about Paper (which was a lie to get away from my case and the illogical step he made there.). Hz his day 2 was asking a lot of questions to everybody and even during the lynch he was asking shitty questions.
Day 3 was making association cases.
Day 4 is funny to read. Some things are quite hilarious if know hz is scum. Like pushing away question about XRZ lynch because we will talk about it endgame. Or his searching for scum after my lynch. trololol.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 14:56 GMT
#4588
Koshi stop messing up the thread. I realise that you are desperate at this point but you already claimed scum.

On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town,
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 14:59 GMT
#4589
On August 06 2013 23:56 hzflank wrote:
Koshi stop messing up the thread. I realise that you are desperate at this point but you already claimed scum.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town,

I meant if I was in your town position. lol. Ah well.

Cora and rayn. We will see.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:01 GMT
#4590
On August 06 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 23:56 hzflank wrote:
Koshi stop messing up the thread. I realise that you are desperate at this point but you already claimed scum.

On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town,

I meant if I was in your town position. lol. Ah well.

Cora and rayn. We will see.


How do you arrive at that context? You were not even talking about me at that point in the post.

On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
Yeah rayn, you sum it up pretty well. Day 1/N1/D2 was horrible and I should have died instead of XRZ.

If I took the game more serious day 1, didn't troll day 2 and actually looked into JAT before going crazy, I might have been able to change the tides of this game. But I made horrible mistakes and I will pay for them. Below you will find my scumteam and I think I might have been able to point them all 3 out with some more town kred and better play. Or at least have more information to actually find the 3 scummers.

I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town, probably not. This is my last post. There is no point in me trying to defend me further if 3/3 hz/rayn/cora are going to lynch me. Somewhat disappointed that they didn't try to put some pressure elsewhere put meh, I am not going to blame them for lynching me. Maybe for some other shit but dnu.

Endgame cred (even though I don't deserve any):
JAT, Stutters & hzflank.


laters.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:02 GMT
#4591
It should be more like:

If there was somebody like me, I don't know if I would defend that guy as a town player, I would blame him for scum as well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:04 GMT
#4592
But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility?

You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:08 GMT
#4593
On August 07 2013 00:04 Koshi wrote:
But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility?

You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself.


You just defended for me. If you are town and I am scum then I would of just kept quiet today and let your lynch go through. Instead I have been active and trying to solve the game.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:10 GMT
#4594
EBWOP

So if you flip town then I do not need to defend myself. And if you flip scum then I obviously do not need to defend anything that you have said to me.

You have basically proved that we are not both scum. So why should I defend myself today?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:16 GMT
#4595
Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:18 GMT
#4596
On August 07 2013 00:08 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 00:04 Koshi wrote:
But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility?

You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself.


You just defended for me. If you are town and I am scum then I would of just kept quiet today and let your lynch go through. Instead I have been active and trying to solve the game.

You haven't fucking tried to save me at all today. XRZ on the other hand you reread a million filters.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:19 GMT
#4597
On August 07 2013 00:16 Koshi wrote:
Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town?


Yes, it is MYLO so if you flip town then the game ends. So lets say that you are town and I am scum, why would of made the thread more active today? I would just of kept quiet and let your lynch go through. What I am instead doing is preparing for when you flip scum.

Just stop Koshi. All you are doing is running interference to stop me scum-hunting your teammates.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:20 GMT
#4598
Ahh w.e. I shall wait on Cora and Rayn. If they condemn me it is over anyway.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 06 2013 15:24 GMT
#4599
On August 07 2013 00:19 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 00:16 Koshi wrote:
Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town?


Yes, it is MYLO so if you flip town then the game ends. So lets say that you are town and I am scum, why would of made the thread more active today? I would just of kept quiet and let your lynch go through. What I am instead doing is preparing for when you flip scum.

Just stop Koshi. All you are doing is running interference to stop me scum-hunting your teammates.

This is also such a scumtell. "why would I do x as scum, as scum I would do y". You only say that shit when you are in that mindset.

The times I did shit as SK and already planned answers like that.
"Why would I just say that Korynne was scum as SK, I would just have shot her"
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:27 GMT
#4600
@ Stutters

You promised to help solve the game and then you disappeared. Will you have some time today?
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