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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 06 2013 01:07 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Hi Oats. You aren't under much pressure so could you read the thread for once? Thank you. Hi Cora, point out the obvious thing I am missing. Thank you. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
And you also fail to tell us why we should lynch Stutters. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On August 06 2013 01:16 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Stutters isn't getting lynched today. And you also fail to tell us why we should lynch Stutters. why isnt stutters getting lynched today? Isnt he in your scumlist? Why do you need reasons if you think he is scum? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Based solely on Stutter's play without any associations at all, do you think that Stutters is scum? Same question to Rayn. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
D1: - Has a FirmTofu as townread because "in every game FirmTofu is capable of looking scummy early on". This makes no sense because if he looks scummy as town, there is no guarantee he would look scummy as mafia too. - Has Paperscraps as town read for no reason. - For same reasons that makes FirmTofu town (meta), Koshi says there is no guarantee for vayne to be town. He even explains why the situation is 100% like with FirmTofu. There is a contradiction in his thinking toward vayne/FT. One of them can be town by meta and another one can´t. - Koshi says he thinks hzflank is mafia for tunneling one dude for the entire day. The thing that makes hzflank mafia is that "mafia can hide behind tunneling so that they would not have to have reads on everyone". Koshi´s reads are at this point are "hzflank, gut-read leaning scum, everyone else null or town for no reasoning or bad reasoning (FT)". Another contradicting statement right there. He is playing just like he says scum would play. - Another set of posts where he accuses hzflank of only pushing his own wagon and not trying to find other mafia dudes. He is doing exactly the same thing, but he isn´t even trying to push the hz lynch. To me when Koshi interacts with hz it looks like he is interacting with a townie rather than scum. - After everything he consolidates on Paperscraps, his townread. He has not tried to push any other lynch, did not contribute towards any other wagons, was not pushing hz lynch at all. Basically did nothing to even try lynching mafia on D1. N1: - Koshi says Vivax´ vote switch is okay. I did not think that was okay at all unless he was pretty sure Paper was town. Koshi himself says " I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn". lol, at the end of the day HE WAS PUSHING PAPER LYNCH, HE WAS SURE PAPER WAS TOWN, HE DIDN´T HAVE BALLS TO NOT VOTE FOR HIS TOWNREAD!?!?!? Fear, insecurity, justification for a vote after townflip. Townies do not think like this. - Says he will not be tunneling hzflank on D2, because he is ssure the guy is mafia. Makes sense? Does... not... want.. to.. do.. his.. best.. to.. lynch.. his.. scum.. read... right! - "Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. " Clarity is town for exact same reasons why i am scum for Koshi. When i ask for him to elaborate, his answer is "it was a joke". D2: - On D2 start Koshi quotes his case on hzflank, some time later he votes for XRZ, no reasoning given. On N1 he said "XRZ fears no lynching from me". - Suddenly Oats and XRZ are in his scumreads, read the last point, that was also what he said earlier regarding Oats. - Adds Stutters in the scumlist because Stutters voted for Malongo when vayne´s check came out. - Exactly 3 hours later Stutters is confirmed town.. - FirmTofu is confirmed town. When asked for reasoning he tells people to compare FT/XRZ filters. Noone even asked anything about XRZ? - Adds JAT to his scumlist, for reasons that made him town earlier (being new, suddenly he is not new any more for some reason)? - Says this about JAT: "There is also the fact you also pop up when you are attacked, but blend away when the heat is off you" and "Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far.". I do not think this is true, i think this is extremely true if you compare this to Koshi´s play however. - Again Stutters becomes mafia. Note that this read has changed three times for Koshi, and all the reasons for the read are from D1. Makes zero sense. - Koshi tells me that he really needs a red flip on D2. After this he votes for JAT, givves no real reasoning nor follows the vote up on any way. - After this changes his vote onto Stutters. Same resoning and follow up as above. - After this he consolidates on to FirmTofu -> CJS -> FT (both are his town reads). Remember, he "badly needed a red flip!!!" N2: - Nothing much to say here, calls XRZ town. D3: - Sheeps me onto XRZ. - "That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch." After that: - I am pretty sure everyone remembers what Koshi has done after that. Now how on earth does any of this stuff make sense?? I know how, Koshi is mafia! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 06 2013 01:48 hzflank wrote: Cora, you have played with Stutters before, right? Based solely on Stutter's play without any associations at all, do you think that Stutters is scum? Same question to Rayn. I can´t remember 100% tbh. I only remember him playing scum in Basterd, and i died on N1 and didn´t obviously read his posts after that so closely. He made a bad comment, and with the setup information WoS gave to everyone on D2 i could 99% tell he was mafia. In other game(s?) i remember him (he was town) i was mafia and attacked him based on pretty much nothing, because i had no time to play properly and he seemed like an easy target. He looks more scum to me than town here, but that´s purely process of elimination by now. I can´t honestly tell if he is town or mafia based purely on his play, but leaning on mafia based on the fact that he is not trying to solve the game. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 06 2013 01:12 Stutters695 wrote: Oats, can you explain why I'm in every scum team you can think of? Especially since you were asking people to stop speculating around the night actions. What makes me scum? Oats pls | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I can answer that for you, if you like. If you have followed the game and thoroughly read Oats' filter you would know  | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam. He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
If I took the game more serious day 1, didn't troll day 2 and actually looked into JAT before going crazy, I might have been able to change the tides of this game. But I made horrible mistakes and I will pay for them. Below you will find my scumteam and I think I might have been able to point them all 3 out with some more town kred and better play. Or at least have more information to actually find the 3 scummers. I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town, probably not. This is my last post. There is no point in me trying to defend me further if 3/3 hz/rayn/cora are going to lynch me. Somewhat disappointed that they didn't try to put some pressure elsewhere put meh, I am not going to blame them for lynching me. Maybe for some other shit but dnu. Endgame cred (even though I don't deserve any): JAT, Stutters & hzflank. laters. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote: I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 06 2013 02:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I've probably played with Stutters before, but I really cannot remember. I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam. He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play. Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2. FT is also almost definitely mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
That´s probably a townslip if you ask Oats. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 06 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2. FT is also almost definitely mafia. EBWOP: post about Koshi, not FT.. :E | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Or should I stroke my ego and tell you which of FT/JAT/Stutters I think is town? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
"Did you or did you not think my case on Ace was good in NWM night 1?" Can i have an answer now and can you also tell me why didn´t you answer that in the first place? | ||
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