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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain how it is even remotely possible that there are other powerroles alive? Well we have had 3 cop claims so far. Why not make it 4?  | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:13 hzflank wrote: Yes, absolutely. If we have another power role then some things change. Not everything changes, though. One last question. If there is a blue out there, not revealing his role, would it be in town's best interest to have him reveal? Consider all the possibilities. Hidden Doc/Cop/Vig/Vet Obviously, vig and vet are unlikely to be hidden, but I think a hidden doc or even a cop is still a possibility. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:16 FirmTofu wrote: One last question. If there is a blue out there, not revealing his role, would it be in town's best interest to have him reveal? Consider all the possibilities. Hidden Doc/Cop/Vig/Vet Obviously, vig and vet are unlikely to be hidden, but I think a hidden doc or even a cop is still a possibility. It could only be a doctor. If it were a cop he would of claimed by now considering we have had 3 other cop claims. A vig would of shot by now and I am Vet. We cannot be 100% certain that there is no doctor, but we might as well play as if there is no doctor. If they need to claim then they will. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Tbh it was going to happen anyway. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:05 hzflank wrote: But this was a 10/4, not a 12/4, and therefore balanced around 1 KP from the start. Right but if I were scum and everything was balanced along the lines of the usual 4/1 ratio or given the option to do 10/4 w/ 1kp I'd take the 12/4 every game. The power gained from taking an extra night kill is significantly more useful for scum for disrupting town than starting with two less town. As such I'd expect the power role ratio to be off from a normal game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Guys, why is Clarity scum in this trio? What post was it? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:18 hzflank wrote: It could only be a doctor. If it were a cop he would of claimed by now considering we have had 3 other cop claims. A vig would of shot by now and I am Vet. We cannot be 100% certain that there is no doctor, but we might as well play as if there is no doctor. If they need to claim then they will. I am satisfied with that answer. As for XRZ, I can see where you are coming from. I am willing to lynch him on the grounds that his Day 1 was terrible, but I think rayn's case on XRZ hinges too much on setup speculation. Consider this. Mafia have 3 goons and a RBer. Couldn't we have 0 cops, 1 vet, 1 doc, rest VT. Wouldn't it still be balanced? I tried speculating setup in NWM and it worked out very poorly for me. I'm not going to make that mistake again. If we are lynching XRZ today, I will vote him because of a bad Day 1 and for information. Nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:22 Koshi wrote: Guys, why is Clarity scum in this trio? What post was it? Clarity is only scum if there is no roleblocker. So we find the other two scum first, if neither of them flip roleblocker and if we still have a mislynch left we should probably just lynch Clarity (sorry!). Oats was wrong in his scenario because he forgot that scum could of used the N2 roleblock on their own team (or not used it at all). | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:23 FirmTofu wrote: I am satisfied with that answer. As for XRZ, I can see where you are coming from. I am willing to lynch him on the grounds that his Day 1 was terrible, but I think rayn's case on XRZ hinges too much on setup speculation. Consider this. Mafia have 3 goons and a RBer. Couldn't we have 0 cops, 1 vet, 1 doc, rest VT. Wouldn't it still be balanced? I tried speculating setup in NWM and it worked out very poorly for me. I'm not going to make that mistake again. If we are lynching XRZ today, I will vote him because of a bad Day 1 and for information. Nothing more, nothing less. It's possible, but it is unlikely. Also, answer me this: VT-Exar gives out a guilty check on Malongo 30 mins before the deadline. What happens if Malongo flips green? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:25 Koshi wrote: XRZ his day 2 was horrible if he didn't have a red check on Malongo. He did nothing... I think his early Day 2 was good. In fact, it was mostly night 1 and early Day 2 that cleared him in my eyes. Then, when he made the cop claim, I didn't understand his behavior at all. The Malongo flip made me warm up to him again. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Also any power role alive should have claimed on N2 when there was already 2 cop claims and 1 vet claim. 4 town PR´s is not possible. We do not have any other power roles other than me/hz. Period. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 03 2013 05:26 hzflank wrote: It's possible, but it is unlikely. Also, answer me this: VT-Exar gives out a guilty check on Malongo 30 mins before the deadline. What happens if Malongo flips green? We lynch XRZ. Ah, I see your point. Why would non-cop XRZ claim and kill someone if he wasn't 100% sure about the flip? In order for him to have known, he had to have been scum or cop. If he fakeclaimed, the only possibility is scum. Alright, I can see why XRZ is scum. ##Unvote ##Vote:exarezee | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
If XRZ flips scum, why would that make me scum? If anything, XRZ's claim saved Cora from a lynch, not me. I only had 2-3 votes on me when the claim took place. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
If it wasn't you who fake claimed disregard that part but can you reason with me on why this is a good play for scum XRZ to make? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
1) XRZ is scum 2) Scumteam knows that rayn is telling the truth, why not roleblock rayn? if they want to kill Vayne a) There is no roleblock and need to hide this. But why would clarity say that D2... b) it cannot be knows that XRZ is not a real cop, as seen in rayns case, no sane townie would do such a move if not 100% certain malongo is scum. But if this is the case. Why not RB rayn still and then make XRZ give a fake red? Like a red on me? Everybody and their mothers would have believed this... .. .. .. I don't get it. | ||
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