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On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible.
Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF?
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why exarezee is mafia:
exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit
N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia.
After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue.
I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
First of all. I totally agree that the call on Malongo is 100% balls and can never be good for town unless he was 100% certain which he shouldn't be. That small chance that he was wrong XRZ should have known that he would be lynched next and the game is over.
I could think you weren't a cop. But yeah, a scumteam would not. So ok.
I am going to reread how this all happened. I remember XRZ actually accidentally saying you were the only cop? I don't remember when he claimed to be RB.
Ok. Agreed with that as well.
Fuck it. XRZ is probably scum... lol.
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On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF?
If either of them are GF then scum should not have a roleblocker. If scum do not have a roleblocker then Clarity and XRZ lied about being roleblocked.
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On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF?
You can´t possibly think this because you think i am mafia! If i am mafia there is no cop, does roleblocker + godfather make sense to you in a setup where there is nothing to roleblock or no cheks?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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It seems pretty obvious scum only has 1kp so you have to remember the game is balanced around that as well. In a normal 12/4 after n2 you're looking at 8/4 or 9/3 and scum might have another night of 2kp depending on the host(if kp rounds up or down).
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This guys, is what i call a scumslip.
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On August 03 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? You can´t possibly think this because you think i am mafia! If i am mafia there is no cop, does roleblocker + godfather make sense to you in a setup where there is nothing to roleblock or no cheks?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Obviously, your theory relies on the assumption that you are town. Like I said, I'm willing to roll with that for now in order to ascertain XRZ's alignment.
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On August 03 2013 05:01 Stutters695 wrote:
It seems pretty obvious scum only has 1kp so you have to remember the game is balanced around that as well. In a normal 12/4 after n2 you're looking at 8/4 or 9/3 and scum might have another night of 2kp depending on the host(if kp rounds up or down).
What are you trying to say?
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On August 03 2013 04:59 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? If either of them are GF then scum should not have a roleblocker. If scum do not have a roleblocker then Clarity and XRZ lied about being roleblocked.
So you are saying GF + Roleblocker would be unbalanced therefore it's impossible? Your whole argument hinges on setup speculation and implied balance?
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If Exar is not scum:
Oats
Clarity
CJS
Rayn
Stutters
hzflank
Koshi
Tofu
JAT
Exar
I am surprised that Koshi, Tofu and JAT do not think that Exar is likely scum.
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On August 03 2013 05:01 Stutters695 wrote:
It seems pretty obvious scum only has 1kp so you have to remember the game is balanced around that as well. In a normal 12/4 after n2 you're looking at 8/4 or 9/3 and scum might have another night of 2kp depending on the host(if kp rounds up or down).
But this was a 10/4, not a 12/4, and therefore balanced around 1 KP from the start.
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On August 03 2013 05:04 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:59 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? If either of them are GF then scum should not have a roleblocker. If scum do not have a roleblocker then Clarity and XRZ lied about being roleblocked. So you are saying GF + Roleblocker would be unbalanced therefore it's impossible? Your whole argument hinges on setup speculation and implied balance?
Yep. Then again you are saying that Rayn might not be Cop so town only has a Vet while scum has a roleblocker.
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On August 03 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:04 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:59 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? If either of them are GF then scum should not have a roleblocker. If scum do not have a roleblocker then Clarity and XRZ lied about being roleblocked. So you are saying GF + Roleblocker would be unbalanced therefore it's impossible? Your whole argument hinges on setup speculation and implied balance? Yep. Then again you are saying that Rayn might not be Cop so town only has a Vet while scum has a roleblocker.
Again, I would like to stress that all of these questions are asked with the assumption that rayn is town. I'm trying to see where you're coming from hz.
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On August 03 2013 05:07 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 05:04 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:59 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote:On August 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote:
rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town.
Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? If either of them are GF then scum should not have a roleblocker. If scum do not have a roleblocker then Clarity and XRZ lied about being roleblocked. So you are saying GF + Roleblocker would be unbalanced therefore it's impossible? Your whole argument hinges on setup speculation and implied balance? Yep. Then again you are saying that Rayn might not be Cop so town only has a Vet while scum has a roleblocker. Again, I would like to stress that all of these questions are asked with the assumption that rayn is town. I'm trying to see where you're coming from hz.
I do not understand why you have to stress the assumption that Rayn is town. Either Rayn is town or we have have a cop or doc lurking somewhere. Or the scum team is Rayn/Clarity/XRZ.
Rayn is town.
I am coming from a place where I only have limited information. I cannot say for sure what roles are in the game so I am making the best guess I can based on what information is available to town.
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On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too.
I dont think that scum has no rb.
Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch.
Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD
Why is Clarity scum?
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Are we playing with the assumption that there are no more town power roles alive right now?
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It´s kinda pointless to argue with FirmTofu because he can´t even understand what he is saying.
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On August 03 2013 05:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Are we playing with the assumption that there are no more town power roles alive right now?
Other than the claimed ones, that is.
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On August 03 2013 05:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Are we playing with the assumption that there are no more town power roles alive right now?
Explain how it is even remotely possible that there are other powerroles alive?
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On August 03 2013 05:11 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 05:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Are we playing with the assumption that there are no more town power roles alive right now? Other than the claimed ones, that is.
Yes, absolutely. If we have another power role then some things change. Not everything changes, though.
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