I'll have to get back to you on that one...didn't FT go after XRC hard in the beginning? It would all have to come down to interactions between the two to see if they are scumbuddies or if XRC actually had a town read on FT at that moment in time.

FT is still #3 on my lynch list. He's below Koshi (#1) and Stutters (#2).

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 18:53 GMT

#3577

Are you guys actively thinking about scenarios where Rayn and XRC are both town or are you just slipping more and more into confirmation bias?

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 19:00 GMT

#3580

On August 03 2013 04:00 hzflank wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, I can only do one thing at a time. First I am making sure why I think XRZ would do what he did as scum. Then I am going to look into what it means if XRZ did what he did at town.

Well I am glad that you are going to look into both sides of the argument.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 19:12 GMT

#3583

Do you really think scum are going to do everything you predict them to? No. They have the information and town doesn't. Scum will do everything to mislead town and get town off of the right path.

You basically said you were going to check Oats. You have been so tunneled on him that you would probably call him GF if you checked him (theoretically if scum knew Oats was town, which I think Oats is town as well) and got green. Then you would push for Oats lynch with your check and when Oats theoretically flipped green (which, once again, I believe would happen). When Oats hypothetically flipped green, scum would NK someone and then you would be lynched the following day. That would win the game for scum.

While the Vayne kill is a bit more of a reach for me than not RBing you, scum could have been trying to paint his targets red. We will never know because your drunken "episode" happened right at the start of D3.

That's why it makes sense to me.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 19:15 GMT

#3585

Who do you suppose we should lynch today Koshi?

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 19:16 GMT

#3587

On August 03 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote:
Tofu

Your name isn't Koshi

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 19:17 GMT

#3590

I'd rather lynch Koshi.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:08 GMT

#3699

Why don't you read the thread in context hz?

On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote:
i got roleblocked

On August 02 2013 09:07 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Who did you try to check?

On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote:
oats

On August 02 2013 09:18 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

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Why Oats? Not Koshi or any of your other scum reads from the group of 5 you mentioned?

On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote:
I'm back on the computer.

I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek.

I don't understand where you are going with that.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:11 GMT

#3700

Oh also the solution to your "find" is that he was going to be skeptical about Clarity's rb claim if no one claimed rb on Night 2. If someone else had been roleblocked he would have said the same thing about Clarity.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:19 GMT

#3703

XRC's read on Clarity was based on his disbelief of the rb claim. If scum had rb'd someone else, XRC would've said the same thing. He did not out himself as a fake-cop when he talked about Clarity. You're trying to catch smoke on that one.

You guys making association cases before flips are so stupid.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:25 GMT

#3706

My lynch list:

1. Koshi
2. Stutters
3. FirmTofu
4. hz

hz makes it into the list with a really bad case...starting to look like scum pushing a mislynch.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:28 GMT

#3711

I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:29 GMT

#3712

On August 03 2013 07:27 hzflank wrote:

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That does not make sense. Exar had to make his check assuming that he would neither be roleblocked or night killed. Therefore he had to assume that scum had no role blocker when he put the check in.

He didn't have to assume that. He said that he banked on an Oats check in case Rayn got killed OR roleblocked. Why would he check Clarity and get a green check if (to him) having someone else be roleblocked would do the same thing?

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:31 GMT

#3715

On August 03 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote:

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Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around.

THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM NOW

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:37 GMT

#3721

On August 03 2013 07:34 hzflank wrote:
Cora, you think that Exar is town anyway, so you should not be too worried.

No because when Exar flips town you are going to move on to the next player and make horribly-reasoned cases on them and continue to make horrible associations based on your shitty cases.

Scum could go AFK from this point on and they would still win the game.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:50 GMT

#3730

On August 03 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.

Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 02 2013 22:55 GMT

#3735

God you guys are so sad. I don't know what part of the XRZ case I haven't countered exactly, yet you all continue to vote for him.

Good job sheeping Koshi.

Going to work, be back later.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 03 2013 05:46 GMT

#3793

Well since this lynch is stupid, I might as well vote for Koshi because if one question mark player turned out scum, why shouldn't another flip scum as well?

##Vote: Koshi

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 03 2013 15:52 GMT

#3833

This lynch is really stupid.

You guys are making a shit ton of assumptions and bad cases and yet you guys have 7 votes on XRC. Some of you aren't even trying! Koshi's vote was 100% sheeping, and he should be lynched next. Calling himself "emotionally detached" from the lynch is his excuse for saying that he does not care about the lynch. He has done jack shit for scumhunting and has sat around and done nothing while a bunch of townies lynch another townie. Look at his vote post. He's just rehashing things that have been said already and just voted for XRC. That vote is a huge scumslip, and it's really saddening that XRC has to die in order for you all to see that.

IMCaptainJackSparrow

Bahamas303 Posts

August 03 2013 16:10 GMT

#3838

On August 04 2013 00:57 hzflank wrote:
That's easy for you to say Cora. If any one of us knew that you were town then we would not be voting for Exar, either.

Answer me this: lets say that xrz/cora/clarity are scum and we lynch Koshi today. How does town win? We just guess?

We are trying here, but some of us have less information than others.

You guys are going about it all wrong.
It shouldn't be "1/2/3/4 is scum so we should lynch 1 first". That's really bad. You should take the scummiest player and lynch them. After their flip, you should make connections only about that flip.

You guys are lynching XRC and making plans 2 days into the future. What if XRC's flip isn't what you expected? You guys have spent all of your energy making potential scumteams and it's all going to be for nothing if XRC flips town.