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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 13:17 GMT
#2161
On July 31 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, Koshi was your top scumread. What made you change your mind on him? Or if you did not change your mind, why the fuck are you voting for a target of your scumread?


You should ask that question both ways. Oats was also Koshi's top scum read and it was not greatly followed up.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 13:24 GMT
#2162
On July 31 2013 22:17 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, Koshi was your top scumread. What made you change your mind on him? Or if you did not change your mind, why the fuck are you voting for a target of your scumread?


You should ask that question both ways. Oats was also Koshi's top scum read and it was not greatly followed up.

It was a complete insane idea of mine. I couldn't follow it up because it was insane. Also, nobody should be blamed for seeing me differently today as yesterday. I think the quality of my posts now allows that.


What do you think of a JAT or XRZ lynch today hzflank?
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 13:38 GMT
#2163
On July 31 2013 22:24 Koshi wrote:
What do you think of a JAT or XRZ lynch today hzflank?


Don't know yet, I have been lazy for the last 12 hours and have a lot of grunt work to do before I can get into it. I'll tell you in a few hours.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 31 2013 13:38 GMT
#2164
Koshi is Oats scum?
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 13:46 GMT
#2165
On July 31 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is Oats scum?

Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ.

There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now.
Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop...

FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
July 31 2013 13:47 GMT
#2166
Current votecount:

Koshi (4)
Clarity_nl, raynpelikoneet, hzflank, exarezee

Malongo (3)
IMCaptainJackSparrow, Malongo, VayneAuthority

exarezee (2)
Koshi, Oatsmaster

justanothertownie (1)
FirmTofu

FirmTofu (1)
Stutters695

Not voting
justanothertownie

Tell me if I missed anyone. Deadlne is in !
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 31 2013 13:48 GMT
#2167
I really do think Oats is scum. There is a significant difference in his play as town and scum and i am quite sure i just noticed that in this game aswell.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 31 2013 13:54 GMT
#2168
On July 31 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is Oats scum?

Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ.

There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now.
Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop...


FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game.

That´s one fucking weak meta-read and you are not even answering how his play looks in this game.
You´re both scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 13:58 GMT
#2169
XRZ looks so bad though.

In the night he was a believer of the hzcase I made. He commented twice on it that he approved of it, and then never came back on it. Without much words/accusations XRZ made it possible for him to vote on so many people, probably because he thought I wouldn't come back in this fashion, all other people like FT, Oats and hz kept looking around. XRZ never gave that impression on day 2.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 13:59 GMT
#2170
On July 31 2013 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 31 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is Oats scum?

Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ.

There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now.
Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop...


FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game.

That´s one fucking weak meta-read and you are not even answering how his play looks in this game.
You´re both scum.

Jeezus, and your superread on Oats is where? ffs.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 31 2013 14:01 GMT
#2171
rayn you've been calling Oats town for most of the game, so obviously the thing you noticed happened recently.
What was it?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 14:05 GMT
#2172
These are all examples of scumhunting done by Oats and I am only on page 3. I even didn't take all of them. It's as open as a book. It's 10 times more town than what XRZ and expecially JAT did.


On July 27 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
CJS so bad.
I dont think hes scum though.

The Justanothertownie dude is scum though. Reasons upcoming.

On July 27 2013 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.

FT's vote was probably a ploy to see what you would do, apparently it didnt work to well huh.

If you push paperscrap, you are scum man.

Why cant he joke around?
Why does every post have to be useful?

On July 27 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno about FT, that 'mistake' above seems really newbie scum mistake to make.

Clarity, what do you propose I talk about?

On July 27 2013 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is this wagon crap man.

Hmm wheres rayn?

On July 27 2013 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god hzflank, stop being so defensive, its annoying.

I think both of you are not talking about anything really.

Hzflank, how do you think you have played this game differently so far from the last newbie where you were scum?



On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
yup justanothertownie dude is scum.

Look at his first post.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this:

justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously.
Show nested quote +

TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all.

So this is not serious at all?

Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.


extreme nitpicking here, clearly paperscraps was using generalization and notice that justanothertownie just throws shit on him without explain how or why its scummy. Like pointing out supposed bad posts without explain why. scumtell.

Show nested quote +

Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).

Ok look at his thoughts on CJS, I assume he is leaning null scummy. In his very next post commenting on CJS post, his view drastically changes.
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:19 justanothertownie wrote:
##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow
You earned it with your last post. I have to agree with you - Oats and Vayne both did not post useful things as of now.

looks like he wants to sheep CJS, off this horrific
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:08 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On July 27 2013 12:00 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Scum! I see one!

##Vote: Oatsmaster


My vote still stands, and I believe that it is the correct one for this situation.

Oatsmaster is acting like scum. He is refusing to give us any decent information whatsoever, just mucking up the thread with sarcastic one-liners and not giving us any insight on his opinions or anything.

He is the perfect example of scum trying to blend in and be in the conversation, yet his words hold no meaning and are merely just filler. If you take them out, his filter is left with:

On July 25 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Normal or not man
/in


And that, my friends, is not someone I want to give rum to.

accusations without anything to back them up with. contradictions and shit, way over generalization. And it makes justanormaltownie want to sheep him? I dont buy it, justanormaltownie wants to support this set of lynches/lynch and see if I could possibly be mislynched.

##vote: justanormaltownie

On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.

what do you think of justanothertownie?


On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 00:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats your case makes no sense to me, why do you think JAtownie is scum?

Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post.
He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis.


On July 28 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:17 Koshi wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 01:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 00:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats your case makes no sense to me, why do you think JAtownie is scum?

Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post.
He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis.


I happen to agree that vayne has done nothing and that before you made that case you had done nothing.
So what is left, he nitpicks stuff during the first 12 hours of the game? Please explain why that is scummy.

because he takes it and calls 1 part scummy. Like he is trying so desperately to call paper's scum. If you read a filter and you dont think a dude is scum, you dont make a case right? Well justanothertownie decided that he had to call papers scum and capitalize on the current thread view towards him and went through his filter thinking that. So he nitpicked. Nitpicking is bad and scummy because it shows you dont have actual reasons to believe someone is scum.

Clarity, who is scum? And dont say vayne, hes town.


I'm not buying it, I understand that argument when you cherrypick a 10 page filter but it was like 12 hours into the game or something.

Anyway, other than Tofu? I dunno, there's a lot of people who have contributed nothing or the minimum and I'm kinda getting worried this is just gonna be a town on town shitfest.
What makes you say vayne is town?

Explain the tofu read.

Vayne is town for not giving a fuck how he looks.

That is very very wrong.

hm?

Vayne cares about how he looks? Nope. Just nope.

he doesnt care.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 14:06 GMT
#2173
Oats is so town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 31 2013 14:07 GMT
#2174
Also, can we go back to this?
On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".
I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that.


If malongo flips green, how does that make vayne a confirmed liar?
Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".

What? Doesn't that confirm that it was a fakeclaim?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:10 GMT
#2175
I would not call any of those Oats quotes evidence of good scum-hunting. A couple of them could be taken as scum-hunting or also as target-hunting. In fact, I would say Oats' scum-hunting method has been tot town-hunt and then find scum by process of elimination.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:12 GMT
#2176
On July 31 2013 23:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also, can we go back to this?
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".
I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that.


If malongo flips green, how does that make vayne a confirmed liar?
Show nested quote +
Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".

What? Doesn't that confirm that it was a fakeclaim?


Mal thought that Vayne was PMed by a fake-cop.

Shoot Mal > Flips green
Vaybe says: Player X PMed me with the red check, lynch player X
Town lynches player X who flips red
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:13 GMT
#2177
Sorry Clarity, I think I misread that. Are you questioning why Rayn is not on the same page as you and I?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 31 2013 14:15 GMT
#2178
On July 31 2013 23:10 hzflank wrote:
I would not call any of those Oats quotes evidence of good scum-hunting. A couple of them could be taken as scum-hunting or also as target-hunting. In fact, I would say Oats' scum-hunting method has been tot town-hunt and then find scum by process of elimination.

Can't disagree if you put it like that. lol

But his recent vote of me indicates he is consistent. Unlike XRZ who has litteraly suspected everybody a little bit but never pushed through except on FT, and fuck me sideways but I call FT town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 31 2013 14:15 GMT
#2179
On July 31 2013 23:12 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 23:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also, can we go back to this?
On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".
I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that.


If malongo flips green, how does that make vayne a confirmed liar?
Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".

What? Doesn't that confirm that it was a fakeclaim?


Mal thought that Vayne was PMed by a fake-cop.

Shoot Mal > Flips green
Vaybe says: Player X PMed me with the red check, lynch player X
Town lynches player X who flips red


But there are no pms, how does malongo's alignment have anything to do with vayne's alignment.
Or more specifically, since he said "liar" not "scum". What does malongo's alignment have to do with vayne lying or not.
What did vayne say that created this association?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 31 2013 14:17 GMT
#2180
On July 31 2013 23:13 hzflank wrote:
Sorry Clarity, I think I misread that. Are you questioning why Rayn is not on the same page as you and I?


I just don't understand the quoted part of rayn at all, trying to. That is all
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