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exarezee
United States423 Posts
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Stutters695
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 31 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: I just don't understand the quoted part of rayn at all, trying to. That is all If vayne was mafia fakeclaiming and someone actually shot Malongo, after the shot vayne can´t come in and say "i was just looking for reactions and that´s why i fakeclaimed" because he will get lynched if Malongo flipped green. He can´t possibly use that as a reasoning AFTER the vigi has already shot. If they are both mafia, there is no reason for vayne to fakeclaim a cop check on Malongo because if a vigi shoots him, they lose a member for no reason. That´s why vayne is town. On July 31 2013 23:01 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn you've been calling Oats town for most of the game, so obviously the thing you noticed happened recently. What was it? This is what i just realized: Recently Oats´ scumplay has looked more and more like his town play. There is however a slight difference. Town!Oats pushes his reads from the beginning and his tone is convincing. He always has scumreads and as i, he jumps on little things from the beginning of the game and doesn´t let go of his reads until something drastically changes. What does Oats do here. He hops on into the lurker lyunch discussion (which is totally uncharacteristic to his town play). He does not call people scum for anything, yet he questions them. As town Oats calls people scum for things and THEN questions them. There is a careful tone in his play, like there was in NWM (which i never realized until i was dead). For comparsion, look at his stance on Ace in NWM N1 and D2. On night 1 Oats understands clearly what i say about Ace and agrees with me (without saying it). On D2 when i am dead he does not tunnel Ace into oblivion (which he would have done as town), no, instead he fucking defends a nuke on Ace later on. For another comparsion, look at Catch 22 mafia where Oats was town. 24 into D1 they dude has called ~3/4 of the players scum and has a clear stance on who he does want to lynch. He is not careful with his comments at all and he is pushing who the fuck does he want to push. Same can be said about bluelightz game. Compare that behaviour into this game and NWM and you can surely see the difference in his play. His scumplay is far more "calculated" and "careful", but he is trying to hide it by posting in the same style as he does as town. With one liners and questions about what is going on in thread. The difference is that as mafia he does not reach to any conclusions. He also never tried to push JAT lynch on D1, that´s not what Oats does. Oats as town wants his target lynched and is very vocal about that, always! In addition to that on D2 he had Koshi as his top 1 scumread, he has "tunneled" Koshi for the whole D2, and suddenly now for no apparent reason he is voting for XRZ who was his townread earlier. Yet again, he had no intentions to convince anyone Koshi is scum, he has no intentions to convince anyone XRZ is scum. That´s what makes Oats mafia. We can kill Koshi later. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Why can´t you see he is town based purely on his claim? You are not this dumb, are you? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
When did you decide to make that fake cop claim? Before or after the Day 2 post? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 30 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote: miller is always a possibility | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Your logic on malongo/vayne makes sense. Also made me realize that if town has a cop and a vigi, the claim could possibly kill two scum (vigi shoots malongo and then vayne counterclaims) I'll have to reread oats, will be back later. I still want vayne dead. | ||
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
##Vote: Malongo | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
and yea I did believe that, didn't know there was no millers. that's pretty rare | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:25 hzflank wrote: I think you are all missing something regarding the fake cop claim but I am going to be a bastard and not tell you what it is today. If Vayne answers my above questions then I can decide for sure whether I think he is scum or town. that it wasn't actually a fake? Then he made it out be a fake? Way ahead of u there | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
VT-Vayne claims cop with a guilty check on Malongo. Vig says: "Should I shoot Mal or Vaybe?" Real-Cop says: Well I am real cop so you should shoot Vayne Vig shoots VT-Vayne N2 Scum NK real cop N3 scum NK confirmed town expired Vig That's a really really bad fake-cop claim to make as a VT. See, I thought that Vayne made the claim because he was the real cop who checked me and got green. As real cop Vayne did not have to worry about a counter-claim. But you would think that a real cop would check the setup for a Framer before picking his N1 target. What's the chance of the real cop not checking for Miller when he checks for Framer? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:34 hzflank wrote: So what happens if: VT-Vayne claims cop with a guilty check on Malongo. Vig says: "Should I shoot Mal or Vaybe?" Real-Cop says: Well I am real cop so you should shoot Vayne Vig shoots VT-Vayne N2 Scum NK real cop N3 scum NK confirmed town expired Vig That's a really really bad fake-cop claim to make as a VT. See, I thought that Vayne made the claim because he was the real cop who checked me and got green. As real cop Vayne did not have to worry about a counter-claim. But you would think that a real cop would check the setup for a Framer before picking his N1 target. What's the chance of the real cop not checking for Miller when he checks for Framer? um, why do you think there is a veteran (a role you've claimed), a vig, and a real cop. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:35 Clarity_nl wrote: way to bluehunt as town, bro You wanted to lynch him. Now you do not have to because if he is town he gets Night-killed anyway. | ||
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:42 exarezee wrote: just lynch scum malongo today please. No reason to look anywhere else today. Then probably lynch koshi. I should look a lot better to everybody if malongo flips scum. Can't believe there are people that actually think malongo looks town. For having played 200 games, and a lot of those played turbo games you are extremely limited with giving out reads + reasons. It's insane how great your case on Malongo is. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote: and yeah okay vayne is likely town, and I'm really pissed off about that. Even if he is somehow scum I have issues with his play this game ##Unvote I did not prove that Vayne is town btw. If Vayne had known that there was no Miller then I would never of posted that. What I proved is that the fake cop claim is actually more risky as a VT than as scum. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 01 2013 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read xrzs filter. I'm leaning town on him. Many things he say make sense. If he is scum he is hiding this really good. For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). Also pretty good case on why XRZ is town. Many things make sense. | ||
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