This game is open to players with 3 or fewer games on this forum.
That reads as "you can sign up if you have 3 games or less", ie. your fourth is the last newbie game you can join.
Yes, but the word of Foolishness in the active games list regarding newbies is far clearer. However, I am pretty sure he would agree I am not veteran enough to hijack this game.
But yes, the overarching word of TL mafia's king is do not have more than 3 game ppl in a newbie.
Nonetheless BH could simply call this "intermediate mini mafia (4 or less including)" and let Dandel host the official NMM if foolishness came In after the fact and had a bone to pick with it. In other words being a stickler on this is really up to BH, especially as I doubt Foolishness would bother enforcing such a generic guideline. It would be missing the point to go so far in EVERY case- some cases, some people could reasonably be told "get out of the newbie" but to tell me that? Rly? Am I so bamcis that fast? ^^possible by the way, one has said I was Chezinu jr- I call that nothing to sneeze at. He had NWM by puppet strings practically, with Ace and oats & koshi & others- seeing that alone taught me a lot
Here on TL Mafia, we attempt to constantly run Newbie Games. These games may only have players who have played in three games or less on TL Mafia. This is designed to help ease players into our forum and get the feel of games before jumping in with the advanced and long-time players.
On July 23 2013 08:09 Blazinghand wrote: Hydras will only be allowed in the event that we have 10+ players. Otherwise splitting up to fill slots is what shoudl be done.
Good point. It was fun while it lasted and will be in that event :D
On July 23 2013 12:25 hzflank wrote: What I would say Stim: Mafia is a game about accusing people and being accused. Try not to take it too personally. It gets heated during the game, but then when the game ends there are no hard feelings.
On July 23 2013 13:11 hzflank wrote: BH, you know better than me but it looks like that SK might be a little too strong.
If there are multiple mafia (or masons) left then they might be able to work out who the SK is. Otherwise perhaps a cop check can. Apart from that it is almost random as to whether or not the SK survives. For example, if you have 5 town and the SK left, the town cannot use associations to Mafia to work out who the SK is, so if the SK has played well you town might as well just pick at random.
Alakaspam says imbalanced newbie prepares newbies for imbalanced game
On July 24 2013 07:35 Fojod wrote: The Great Fojod, in all of his ineffable wisdom, can only advise his followers against the choosing of legislative figures based on username alone.
On July 24 2013 10:32 StiMaDDict wrote: Vote Alakaslam for the town mayor!
My time has not yet come!
However I promise to increase tax to exorbitant and cut spending to the necessities and huge facilities that make the city $$. Shall become Indian Wells within 20 years
On July 24 2013 22:34 Fojod wrote: The Great Fojod pities you, Alakaslam. For Fojod can never lose. Fojod is here at the beginning, and Fojod will be here at the end. There is no stop to the reign of Fojod.
On July 25 2013 11:32 Umasi wrote: BH, Is the slammin Umasi party a go or no?
We may not hydra, but the slammin Umasi party need not fail.
Props to hypocrisy and the tribunal XD
Nah we can decide the best course for coordinating our actions. And need not sheep Kenpachi and our host like is my tendency. Think along these lines: did you like Madagascar, or Madagascar 2 better?
Now lets go a level deeper. Would you prefer Super Mario World
Or this:
And we are...
BUT the goal is bamcis IZM so as long as that is achieved here we go!
On July 27 2013 03:46 Blazinghand wrote: oh shoot how long is he banned for
also Malongo you're like 100% not a newbie you've played a million games here, just not in the last few years. if you want to play you have to prove to me you're bad
He was banned for two days yesterday for not posting normally
On July 28 2013 13:36 Alakaslam wrote: Can I join "hydra" an still qualify here? You decide for me Ange777/Blazinghand, whoever replies first
How many games have you played?
I usually don't recommend anyone especially new players to play two games at once. Please remember that people will judge you based on possible different posting styles and frequency in the games and it will consume a huge amount of time.
This would be my fourth/last newbie, and I was playing 3 at once (one offsite) last... Uh, most recent games. And I agree. Sigh...
On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD.
Use the term "EBWOP" or Edited By Way Of Posting, and then just put your edit.
Will appreciate this. Also check your posts using the preview function, and KEEP YOUR BBCODE CLEAN!! {hand waves to FirmTofu with a tsundere-ish smile and facepalm}
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.
On July 31 2013 15:11 Umasi wrote: Yeah, funnily enough, it has actually come down to a question of is reps playing the noob card super hard, or is he legitimately THAT confused about things
U older than I son.
U mayhap did not see my first- yes, this and more is entirely possible, I had read vet games and stuff before NMM XLIII and chek the crazy ideas I got within there.
On July 31 2013 15:33 Umasi wrote: k you can go to sleep, I went and reread it and kind of understand what you're saying. For those who don't know, this is a PSA about alakaslam he's totally friggen insane AWESOME but crazy
IRL one of my favorite units back when but I sucked so much I didn't morph them, as with my little skill they were Awesome but impractical . Now when I dick around against the PC I must mass them or die
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.
Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming
I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be
Hey dude read up on mafia. There are some links in the OP our illustrious host compiled. Imma go ahead and be a hypocrite and tell u to read them. I don wanna see you quite this new whence u return, because it's getting WIFOM-ish.
Actually you are becoming a huge compilation of WIFOM hell for me, on the level of
I WILL SEE ALL YOUR TAKE ON MY ALAKASPAM TOMORROW BECAUSE I work local tomorrow, so cya, and know that I openly say I have no expectation or reason to lurk tomorrow.
one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice. However, in some cases this leads to recursive reasoning: "But that's just what he wants me to think, so I'll do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think, so I'll not do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think..."
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
Thank you for coming.
I missed deus' defense. That or I didn't see it as adequate.
On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote: reps, I'll tell you two useful things~ A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it.
Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads?
I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one.
Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss;
Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis;
1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration?
I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses.
Although this is good, I have given him quite a bit of homework flare; I want him competent before his return. I don't need a trigger to become psychotic through WIFOM
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii
So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that!
There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction.
However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy.
Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right?
Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides.
Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most.
On August 01 2013 01:36 Zyrre wrote: Don't think it is as categorical as you make it seem Alakaslam. You CAN gain vital info when lynching a town. He could have made claims having special roles etc. This early in the game though it's most likely useless to barely useful.
Exactly.
If I make it seem like town dying never gives info, follow this link.
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii
So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that!
There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction.
However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy.
Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right?
Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides.
Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most.
"There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence.
Right! See you didn't read everything I wrote. We are arguing in agreement, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't the sole reason you voted. Otherwise explain why it is ok to do so.
So Deus if I read you right you would rather lynch reps because he is detrimental town than a lurker...
...
Ace's quote about town being only as good as the worst not actively detrimental poster makes me wonder about this. Probably a good idea. However, for good measure, why him over scam?
On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote: Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy.
Gotard looks to be trying to help based on my meta of his play, coupled with the fact that some seem to be pushing a no-lynch rather than clearing up the possibility of it not being bad. However, there is stated in the TL guide a note that trying to lynch "for info" is a tool available to scum. However sometimes that is just true. I want him to give another reason for voting.
On August 01 2013 04:09 Umasi wrote: oh this is a good moment to mention, I totally forgot early game guys no lynching is retarded, the only weapon we have is our vote t.t so voting to no lynch is squandering your vote, and I'll happily switch votes to prevent a no lynch
Why? Doesn't it make sense to try to get a solid read first? Otherwise odds are we are just killing off our own?
This is the counterpoint. And Hzflank is a strong town for newbie who pushed that with another- Hurricane sponge- but people forget that hz was scum, and that the guides say otherwise. That being said usually? You want to lynch. Believe us.
On August 01 2013 07:02 DeusXmachina wrote: I think Reps is scum Alakaslam. He is definitely the closest thing to scum we have seen so far. But lets say we lynch him and he turns out to be townie. Then we just lynched a bad townie. It would not be a loss.
True, but the same goes for lurkers, whereas if reps weren't scum, he would possibly get better.
On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote: I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out.
O.O
Watching reps is like watching myself
See this is why I am reluctant to vote him.
Reps much of this straight up comes with experience. But believe me, the most important thing you can do is care 0% about staying alive and 100% about finding out who is scum and voting them immediately. This will be very hard.
Also, keep talking. The more you say about why you think what you do will be more likely to show those who see it your alignment. But read (NOT SKIM) those guides, they are actually really good. Heck I fail them often enough but who can remember 100% of what they read.
Just... If you're here ask questions and give answers, read filters and keep up on the thread. You seem to be doing ok but you are drawing conclusions exactly as I did back when.
BE CARELESS! You are town? Prove it with truth! Just spout honesty! But don't role claim unles you are vanilla town.
On bandwagon ing: you have emphasis backwards. Not ppl who bandwagon are mafia; mafia tend to join bandwagons. I do too, as town! Just make sure you ACTUALLY agree with the wagon before voting.
On August 01 2013 05:49 Umasi wrote: Infii, why did you pop in to comment and basically say nothing, and then tell us you don't plan on saying anything? And you're defensive! What are you trying to accomplish by that? Address things other than yourself and generic town lists, because that just looks like you attempting to appear to contribute.
In which way did I say nothing? My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M. The no-analysis thing was meant as a side note to clarify my thoughts on it...
On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote: That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town.
Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy.
No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree.
If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner.
Frankly, Gotard, I think he may be scum. If he is it implicates squishy a little but will be mostly WIFOM. I squishy is red I practically insist you are right and Indio is scum.
On August 01 2013 07:54 DeusXmachina wrote: My thoughts on infii:
He seems to be pretty passive, both in the content of his posts and the amount of posts. He did state that he can't post as much as he likes but that might be a ruse. Infii does not seem to care that much about day 1. He might feel like you can't accomplish much.
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
This seems like a shady reason for not helping. You can at least do your best to give us analysis. Even if your wrong it still helps us out in some way. You should not be afraid of being wrong.
It is hard for me to give a definitive answer right now, but I think we should all keep an eye on him. Hopefully the pressure will reveal something.
Furthermore, I want to point out that the process leading up to a lynch offers a lot more valuable information than the lynch itself. It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. My understanding is that no-lynches are more valuable when the game is almost over.
Yes.
You are certain on reps still?
Also. What of those who don't post much at all? At least a thought people. When lurkers are left to lie scum are strongly tempted to join them- it is easy and comfortable as lurking scum. Unless we lynch lurkers
On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote: We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.
Nah. Tang looked totes town when I was scum. I offered to be bussed, they pulled it off beautifully but none of us had the same posting style. We were all scum though
So in short: not really. That is not how you gauge scumminess, but it could be a factor of a case where you already have other reasons.
On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote: Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps: I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought.
I am very
VERY
odd.
Odd =\= scum and there is my reservation. He isn't quite so scummy but he is on a knife. Stray either way and totes scum 2me.
Humph. Well if reps flips red I will be cool. If he flips green, know this: I have stated earlier that my own train of thought looked just like reps if not worse first game. It was because I 100% wanted to survive, rather than hunt scum- because I was tracker, and felt that tracking night actions would make me better prepared to successfully scumhunt.
See this; it hasn't happened yet, but I already feel that if reps flips green holy flare and deus x machina look scummier. Why?
Simple. Reps has given inclination toward being an ideal scum mislynch target.
That being said he hasn't helped things one bit. But I still fosftp for future reference, and yet here is my vote as I agree, we need to lynch.
I am fully aware that I will look scummy right with them if he flips town, because I'll look all knowing and distancing myself from mislynch. I am aware of this fact and still post it. So shouldn't affect your votes!
On August 01 2013 10:44 Umasi wrote: But slam what if you're saying this preemptively to reduce the chances that people will actually use it as evidence against you! wham bam slam you're scum brooooo
(this is a joke for all who are curious btw)
Exuncly
But if anyone wants me to elaborate, I will IF ASKED. If you are content let it lie, could be dangerous
On August 01 2013 12:14 Nightcat99 wrote: I guess every one is going to sleep, so i will leave this for every one to think about. Since rep's death is pretty secure.
Stim has not elaborate.
Infill needs to defend himself.
I am not happy with Gotard's reason to vote infill.
On August 01 2013 13:00 reps)squishy wrote: I am not lying but when you guys lynch me it's going to be green and be Vanilla Town. I got accused because Deus thinks me being a newbie is a scum cover up. Shit snowballed and I am going to be hanging from a rope in a few hours. It's your last chance to change your votes. Alakaslam lynching me is not following the Kenpachi rule that he so abides by I am VT. I really have super huge suspicions with Usami, Alakaslam and, Deus. First off Deus throws the index finger at me and votes me. Then Usami and Alakaslam vote against Deus then unvote at near the same time and then vote for me near the same time. Why are they Alakaslam and Deus playing so much alike really ringing a bell here. You can say that I have not contributed and that is the reason you are going to lynch me. If you are going to lynch someone that has not post. It really feels like all against 1 right now.
B cause when we (more than Umasi and I, holy flare did this too, and stim for a sec I think?)
1.defended u & said how to prove innocent to town
You didn't follow up apparently as instead of trying to give those reads that were asked for you began to martyr,
2. Got frustrated with this
You disappeared
3. Started to express inclinations that you were so detrimental that even as town you should not be lynched
Continued martyr.
It isn't over till it's over. Currently no one is set to be lynched!
So...
Give town the info it has asked for.
Otherwise there is scum motive for hanging back: better to be lynched than to give info to town.
On August 01 2013 13:00 reps)squishy wrote: I am not lying but when you guys lynch me it's going to be green and be Vanilla Town. I got accused because Deus thinks me being a newbie is a scum cover up. Shit snowballed and I am going to be hanging from a rope in a few hours. It's your last chance to change your votes. Alakaslam lynching me is not following the Kenpachi rule that he so abides by I am VT. I really have super huge suspicions with Usami, Alakaslam and, Deus. First off Deus throws the index finger at me and votes me. Then Usami and Alakaslam vote against Deus then unvote at near the same time and then vote for me near the same time. Why are they Alakaslam and Deus playing so much alike really ringing a bell here. You can say that I have not contributed and that is the reason you are going to lynch me. If you are going to lynch someone that has not post. It really feels like all against 1 right now.
B cause when we (more than Umasi and I, holy flare did this too, and stim for a sec I think?)
1.defended u & said how to prove innocent to town
You didn't follow up apparently as instead of trying to give those reads that were asked for you began to martyr,
2. Got frustrated with this
You disappeared
3. Started to express inclinations that you were so detrimental that even as town you should not be lynched
Continued martyr.
It isn't over till it's over. Currently no one is set to be lynched!
So...
Give town the info it has asked for.
Otherwise there is scum motive for hanging back: better to be lynched than to give info to town.
See I Haz plays as skum nau
I continued to read looked like people want to see how I defended my self. Once I did they started complaining that I defended my self.
Ignore them, keep defending. Just say all, people are stunned by the sheer WIFOM you say- this comes of being too vague. I am going to assume you are me from NMM XLIII. Look, martyring seems powerful when you do it, but really, that is for cops. As this is day 1, even if you are cop, it just looks bad cause you got no special info yet. So don't martyr. Assume you won't be lynched yet, but might be if you can't convince anyone that you are against scum. Ask ppl what they wanna hear, and give them the answers they want- no worries being wrong. Remember, I may look like a bamcis one, but no. Just no. Look at nuclear winter mafia, when this game Is over, and revel in the Rofl reading my filter.
So read your own filter, as if it was a different person, and see what you think.
On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing.
On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote: @infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town? A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that? A:
This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me.
Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions.
If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him.
I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.
This is true assuming we lynch him. He still has time to defend, for Real this time, if he does. I hope he does.
Meantime, ninja votes this game = increase priority on lynch target
On August 01 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote: I have also asked him several times for proper reads (others have too) and he has yet to contribute. Quite frankly the fact that he is drawing this much discussion to himself and away from the real scum (if he is a so called townsman) is grounds enough for me to vote him off. We have the ability to mislynch a few times anyway and so his flip could be useful or it could not, but it eliminates a volatile bad town/scum from the game.
That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. We need to play to win not to coddle reps' feelings.
The fact that he thinks I am hurting the town. The feelings are not hurt if I am lynched. But this is a Salem Witch hunt he was first to point I guess I am going to be first to die. "Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point." This shows how little he cares if a townie is lynched. If he does not care that a townie is lynched now why do you think he is going to change in the future?
You have not driven any of your insights into us at all so we cannot be certain whether you are just playing a bad town or not. The mafia meta video that you claimed to watch explains that you have to prove to town beyond all reasonable doubt that you are a townie otherwise you just become a bad person to read and can be scum or detremental to town. As we can afford to mislynch people a few times in a row it is often best to get rid of the people that would hinder you in the later stages of the game off early; lurkers, obvious scum, bad towns.
If you truly want to reconcile your town worthyness now I want you to go through every filter and point out to me who you think are the most suspicious people so far. I want you to quote your reasoning and explain logically your choices. Only then will I believe that lynching you MAY be the wrong idea. Click this for the list of player names - click each name for a filter of their typing only
I don't know why people are ignoring how many times I've given reps the chance to redeem himself and he replies with one accusation on infii that people are already talking about or some random. I even tell him how to go about the analysis, but no he doesn't do it. Don't be stupid town and just lynch him off.
On August 01 2013 22:36 Nightcat99 wrote: Thank you for the reply gotard, i am currently satisfy on your reasoning for the vote, i still dont think its strong enough but its fine for now.
I think we can drop the rep discussion , hes either a scum or the VT he claims , either way i wont feel bad lynching him. There is absolutely no reason to claim VT(looking at you slam)
Please explain why you decide to claim VT Slam.
Zyrre has been out for a while now, can i get your new input on infill and deux.
sc_a.M looks like hes going to get the Blazing hammer.
RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.
To invoke Kenpachi, and there is nothing to lose by it.
On August 02 2013 00:44 Holyflare wrote: I'm out at the moment guys and can't formulate posts on my phone that well but the fact that infii is not voting reps unless he needs to despite the rest of the townbandwagoning him is suspicious, if reps does flip mafia look to infii as a possible. cohort. reps reasons for infii were weak and he could have thought he was saving a fellow as he was going down anyway, his accusations also picked up after he was told to get coaching... A mafia coach may have told him to press infii harder to save him
Holy flare you have caused me to expect better from you before this.
Reps dug his grave with the meme. That really did it.
Reps do not give up, keep playing mafia. You WILL get better! Just know that TL dislikes memes even more than most mafia sites, but any site, seeing a lurking (watching the thread) poster put up "huehuehue I be watchin u" with nothing useful before it will not strike people as the joke that it was clearly intended to be. It makes no sense to put that, scum or town, one of the huge reasons I think you are town. But here is why I'm basically compelled to vote you now anyway, contrary to what too many think:
The drama surrounding your accusations and ...defense (by others, that's half the problem) resulted in reads coming out on others... Based largely on your flip.
So... Now we are lynching you for information. -_-
Quote some of my favorite characters: "I have a bad feeling about this"
Look though. Yeah I'm posting this late but before I could think of the reasons why, I didn't want to go nuts on my gut read.
Most of the people really attacking reps fully are as new as he is. They are likely town- they are forgetting (or unaware of) Scum QT's. scum players don't tend to be this thoughtless, as they have two others helping them out with their thought process. Indeed, in this game they have the musclebound Geript coaching them in the qt as well. You can go to any prior NMM game and read the scum QT's, just try to tell me the coach isn't in there.
Explain why scum reps acts this way. I am very ready to move my vote to scam!
I am thinking Indio jones may be our strongest town!
On August 02 2013 01:19 reps)squishy wrote: Ok I accept being lynched. You are going to lynch a VT. But keep the Dice rolling Deus pointed a finger out on me before I said any at all. I got choked up shit snowballed I am going to be lynched. Deus may go ahead and do the same shit again people love to follow him. His words are moving enough to change the vote from him to me. Hitlers one of the greatest speakers of all time but he uses his words for bad purposes. In Deus's case he thinks he wins if he kills Mafia or a bad townie. I want to make these last hours a learning experience why are you so willing to ban a newbie that claimed VT?
On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote: I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.
On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.
+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD.
I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him.
With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified.
I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered
Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it
This is a good point and I didn't so much want to establish my own townieness but rather the potential scumminess of deusxmachina and HolyFlare.
It should be everyone's goal to look town, and town's goal to PROVE it if possible.
Even though I backpedaled, I once again invoke the Kenpachi rule softly. Why is it suspicious to claim vt? It should be null, 100%- or even ignored as a joke, because it is so blatantly useless a thing to do.
I need to make a case though so deus & holy have something to defend against point by point. Totally useless to FoS unfairly like that, so give me a little filter time...
On July 31 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote: I can appreciate your enthusiasm Umasi, as well as your insight on some of the characters of this town, or should I say potential problems. I hate bugs in code too. Especially the small, easy to overlook ones like a misplaced semicolon. Who else will chime in? Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration to the parties responsible? Also, Alakaslam says he is not a problem. Can he be trusted?
Actually never mind on Kenpachi rule. This is completely a normal response.
On July 31 2013 11:02 DeusXmachina wrote: I am going to take a stance. Reps is scummy. He is going completely overboard with the noobie innocence routine. He already let us know before the game started that he was new to mafia. Why does he have to keep reminding us. Furthermore, he says, "Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard". Why is it hard for you? Are you constantly reminded that you need to post but you are fearful of sticking your neck out. How scummy of you reps. Who else is with me?
Hold up there skippy, while yes, he has been somewhat repetitive, the day is young; he is after all new. I AM interested to hear his replies to the questions you have raised though.
Logic flaw. Also why are you defending Reps?
Actually stim looks worst early. Recently he hasn't looke so bad though.
On July 31 2013 12:05 DeusXmachina wrote: Reps is in no serious danger. If he is town he should be able to defend himself. The discussion is opening up. We can look at several important factors: 1. Is anyone trying to defend reps? 2. Who is not posting their opinion? 3. What does reps have to say in his defense? 4. I am sure you guys have more to add.
Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions.
While I know what your intentions 'are', you have gone about it in the wrong way. You falsely accused someone of repetition when it has happened once, that is not a way to determine peoples alliances unless you mistakingly thought his post-game posts were in the day. It is also 4-5am in Europe so half the people won't reply for another few hours. I will also be off to bed shortly so if anyone has anything to ask me before I go, say it now please.
It seems as if you know Reps' alliance, hmm.. Also if you read Deus' accusation, he did differentiate Reps' pre-game post and in-game post.
FoS on HolyFlare, for a post of 100% truth!
Mine is gone on he and deus ATM by the way. I currently think deus was misguided, similar to chrom last NMM.
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine!
Top scum read, rereading the entire game. Town has actually done a great job expressing motives.
On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game
And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?
And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain?
On August 01 2013 09:31 reps)squishy wrote: infii did not want to lynch anyone night 1 and he is "neutral." And the neutrality seems to me he does not want to be a lurker but he does not want to draw attention to himself so I will.
RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M also do not want to lynch someone day one, what is the reason that you single infil out?
I would also like to talk about lynch every day, the reason we lynch every day is because this is the only method we have to force everyone to take a stand, and by taking this stand and backing them up with your words is the only way we can get reads to find the scum.
If we dont lynch anyone day one , then some one is going to die night one and the only information we will get, is well scum kills people.
I dont think rep is a scum because i know that scum has a private forum with scum friends and a scum coach... if he is scum, someone would have stopped him by now.....
However, i am watching infil RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M, i feel that atleast one of them or even two of them can be scummy, there is no reason for the scum team to agree to all voice their opinion on a no lynch but they would definitely jump onto that opportunity.
I like this post. But I think Indio jones is town.
On August 02 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote: that's not thought through too well. You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting.
because we want him to post. If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking. But what if it's just another lazy town?
I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn
On August 01 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote: Humph. Well if reps flips red I will be cool. If he flips green, know this: I have stated earlier that my own train of thought looked just like reps if not worse first game. It was because I 100% wanted to survive, rather than hunt scum- because I was tracker, and felt that tracking night actions would make me better prepared to successfully scumhunt.
See this; it hasn't happened yet, but I already feel that if reps flips green holy flare and deus x machina look scummier. Why?
Simple. Reps has given inclination toward being an ideal scum mislynch target.
That being said he hasn't helped things one bit. But I still fosftp for future reference, and yet here is my vote as I agree, we need to lynch.
I am fully aware that I will look scummy right with them if he flips town, because I'll look all knowing and distancing myself from mislynch. I am aware of this fact and still post it. So shouldn't affect your votes!
votes reps
This is weaker than I thought, but do not forget it. Regardless, reading the game I feel they are both town.
On August 01 2013 10:54 Umasi wrote: Rdaneel, if he flips scum none of this matters but if reps flips town, and we're all just like "well they went balls out to get him lynched so they can't be scum" and they're ACTUALLY SCUM, what did they lose? You don't get towncred for pushing a mislynch on a townie. Likewise though, they aren't condemned because of it. You need more than a single key point to say "this guy IS scum because of THIS action" or "this guy IS town because of THIS action". Look at their motivations for doing something, that's equally important as what actually occurs.
Although this is true in theory, the way they stuck their necks out looks town motivated to me. And flare wasn't with deus initially.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary.
Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M.
Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness.
Because he could possibly improve in usefulness with more time and less preasure. And if he doesn't we can still lynch him the next day. OTOH there is not much information and thought process from the other two. So I'd rather choose the predictable solution than the unknown.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Umasi: He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day.
You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.
Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own. But I'll do it this time just for you:
Here are 3 quick posts from Umasi in which he also votes reps.
On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote: Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy.
hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum.
Here is his defense.
Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already.
~oldest move in mafia strategy why do you say this? Are you backtracking from the path of newb? Like, you're trying to change your playstyle to make you look like less of a noob, and I really don't get it, because you're not doing things that are pro town, you're just messing around. Scum? Sure! Troll? guess so! like~I don't know what you're playing at if you're town.
On August 01 2013 08:34 reps)squishy wrote: Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you.
Why are you backtracking? Why isn't Deus town anymore? ##VOTE reps
On August 01 2013 08:39 Umasi wrote: Deus has been very vocal that he thinks you are scum, but to convince people to vote you, if you ARE town, you're a counterproductive town. So either way it's benefiting town, is what he's trying to communicate. I don't think that people should vote you because they think you're counterproductive, but because you're scum.
On August 01 2013 08:49 Umasi wrote: reps, you ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE you have preformed jack. there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you. There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap" when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off.
He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum. (this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target) The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum.
So in his second post he states that reps is counterproductive but others should vote him for the reason that he is scum. And already in the next post he repeats that reps is counterproductive IN ALL CAPS, which is an easy way to increase preasure on someone. He explains there are LOTS of good reasons to vote him, but interestingly only points out his counterproductiveness. Then there are serveral more accusations "you have preformed jack", "You are hurting town", "Scum? Sure!, Troll? guess so!". Nothing wrong with that its just He writes it in such a lurid way that I tend to think he is trying to set others up on reps.
So if we presume that Umasi wants others to jump on the bandwagon and lynch reps, that would be a clear sign for mafia. To continue the thought process, reps did get lynched and he flips town, that would further increase the possibility of Umasi being scum. Any more questions?
PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.
I don't get why people dislike Indio jones, are they actually reading him?
On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game
And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?
And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain?
Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious.
Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier.
Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.
Lots of scum don't read the thread. They rely on the qt and their teammates who post a gist in there.
Someone states "hey town is discussing no lynch as a possibility XD this looks good, maybe we can play this" and he gets the wrong idea.
On August 02 2013 09:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!! Does he look scum? Yeah, there's definite indications. But most of those were about not wanting to randomly start lynching people day one, which may just be a misunderstanding of his and not due to any scumminess.
Read him again. Don't you get scummy on me again. Bad play even if you are.
On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.
This is a bad post, really bad post, and I want Deus to tell me why.
On August 02 2013 09:12 Umasi wrote: I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why. and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim. Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel?
Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.) He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<)
Have you read the thread, or at least Indio's filter?
On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote: No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever.
##vote no-lynch
I mean, really?
"I give up"
Scum ready to be bussed or such detrimental town. No man. I want you to get back here and play this game.
On August 02 2013 03:07 StiMaDDict wrote: To be honest, I would be surprised if rep flips red.
As for Alakslam/Umasi, I have a gut feeling that one of them is a scum and it is screw us at the end. Deus' early aggression and "sticking to his gun" seems pretty town to me. As for sc_a.M, I would have much liked to see him modkilled. I don't know who you are..
When I looked at RDaneelOlivaw's filter, he didn't do shit. I will elaborate on further request. (I'm lazy and tired)
On August 02 2013 09:21 StiMaDDict wrote: @RDO: Two times I said I will elaborate is first on infi, which I stated that I dropped my suspicion on him completely, and on my case on you upon request, which I never did get.
Hello dude. Betting you insta saw my compliment. What's up in the world of stim?
On August 02 2013 03:22 reps)squishy wrote: I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. I am trying my best to get information out of people to help town win. I know I unvoted and voted other people but I do that to try to get people to talk. RDaneelOlivaw is busy or a lurker so he was my first vote. Usami defended me which I thought I could do my self so I thought he was defending me as a scum cover up changed my mind and went with infii because he seems pretty shady does no come up with answers but excuses.
On August 02 2013 04:06 Zyrre wrote: Umasi, its an hour left and you simultaneously unvote the 7th vote and say you dont want a no lynch? Its pretty much guaranteed to be that unless we go with reps.
I dont have a big scum read on him anymore so if thats what you want thats fine, but you cant really say those two things at once.
Newest scum read definately goes to Alakaslam though. Switching to someone that could have been modkilled with no explanation.
PAH. I spit upon this. He was totes lurking and vindicated me and then you post this AND us uncertain town were right. FAUGH AND PHOOEY ON THIS.
On August 02 2013 03:22 reps)squishy wrote: I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. I am trying my best to get information out of people to help town win. I know I unvoted and voted other people but I do that to try to get people to talk. RDaneelOlivaw is busy or a lurker so he was my first vote. Usami defended me which I thought I could do my self so I thought he was defending me as a scum cover up changed my mind and went with infii because he seems pretty shady does no come up with answers but excuses.
On August 02 2013 04:44 StiMaDDict wrote: Bored. Waiting..
Alakaslam, does Templar drop work in SCII?
At my level, it can make your opponent quit.
Anyhow I am sorry for not giving my opinion on Umasi. I'm just am he only Half sheeped me and then gave no evidence that it wasn't sheep. If he had voted scam Ida been happier.
On August 02 2013 09:39 Umasi wrote: dammit slam that's so irrelevant and funny. you can't just go tell people memes/gifs are bad and then post something like that, slam. it's not okay!
It is though! It totally explains what squishy did there.
Anyway top scum read is scam. Want RDO to pick it up, so I'm not gonna bother him. Don't like zyrre, through pure OMGIS. That will probably change post game.
On August 02 2013 09:45 Holyflare wrote: I'd appreciate if you cut the pointless fluff posts please, I'm trying to formulate my post and updating it with new information from these night posts as I go along and you are just adding more confusion right now.
Ok, sorry- and I am aware that I was hypocritical, I just remembered that and thought I'd toss it out there.
On August 02 2013 10:35 Holyflare wrote: Well crap....
I am going to assume for balance reasons that there is a serial killer. That's 2KP.... with at least 4 total scum players that's 7 townies left. There could however be more than 4 scum...
On August 02 2013 10:39 Nightcat99 wrote: The thing is i through he was town too but no one can be sure, and there is no way to ensure a lynch on any one else. I know i might be stubborn but i just cant agree with a peaceful no lynch.
I will be honest through, i dont think Sc_am is scum at all. First of all, hes obviously lurking and not busy. In that case, hes scum team would pressure him to play and give advice. I think you are much likely to do something, if you are 2 other scum and a coach on another forum pressuring you. And his lack of motivation is a tell of a horrible town.
i need to form a opinion on scums through, i will go dive filter for a bit.
And enjoy.
But that's not true, a better scum than I told me in qt: (not a quote but a paraphrase rather)
"No, lurk- you need to reign it in big time alakaslam, you are ok for now but that was dangerously unhelpful to our cause. When you are newb scum anything you say will be scummy, and usually town will pick on other town mistakes versus lurkers. When that starts to happen, I can manipulate them easier by giving assent and adding fuel to the case. If someone wants to lynch you, you may defend yourself however you see fit. Wait until that happens. Don't get modkilled ofc."
I had already gone nuts though, so I replied "bus me".
But you see that scum won't necessarily say "post more", "read the thread" etc, though I did as scum.
Ok. Actually I'd like everyone's thoughts on him, his filter is a page +2 posts.
I think he is orange, which would mean he is playing a fair to good scum game or a fair to bad town game. Anyone disagree? I think he has made contributions, but contributions that scum could make. It seems like first he felt deus would be a better mislynch than reps and still possible to pull off, based on Umasi and I voting him, but came with assent too late. Then, seeing that wasn't going to happen, was content with reps)squishy. He found reps filter to be not just bad town (town consensus) but rather shady as hell- or, really scummy. (To be fair, same of deus. Who hasn't posted much night phase. Could still be scum but he isn't scum to me yet.) Good reason to then be content with a reps)squishy lynch.
Of course, there could be town motive. I want no one other than RDO to point this out, if he can't think of a town motive...
If someone else can and posts it that ammo is lost.
So nobody but RDO may answer or else is scummy: RDO, why did you act as you did? As you are town, stating the truth will absolve this "case".
On August 02 2013 11:05 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously.
I'm concerned a little about Stim still. I haven't seen an in-depth post from him, he's mostly just one liners, and nobody has called him out on it at all. I understand why you've looked at some of my posts, since most of them were pretty reactionary, but why has he gotten so little attention?
Stim has my attention actually, and I think he is townie. But main point is, I'm glad you're here. Absolve yourself in detail? Quote yourself will help.^^^^^^
On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote: Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town. As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post. But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town. Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.
Sometimes you have to do this. I almost always phone post, pm R1CH if you must. He knows my sprint IP and my TWC, so pretty obvious to him my tendencies.
It is a ton of work to put together a multi-quote post from a phone, though possible.
Oh yeah just saw wifi logo
Well my phone will show dc.rr anyway. But yeah, I think he could even tell you it's usually xxx xxx 0 100- my phone. My PC is 1.
Whatever maybe kinda stupid to give out my ip so that is why xxx.
On August 02 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote: I want you to read up on Nightcat, it would help make my job easier and I see you haven't really commented on him much.
Ok. Defaulted to zyrre but will switch to nightcat.
On August 02 2013 11:21 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I found his filter to be scummy because of the how he kept talking about all the guides he had been studying. I honestly overestimated him as a player. As you all were quick to point out, he was either bad town or mafia, and his he claimed to be so well read on the game I assumed he was a mafia member who had not quite learned how to play his hand with subtlety. To be fair, I think I was probably a little hard on him, he did get thrown into a rough situation. My estimation of Deus was based off of the first couple of pages I read, where he was being aggressive against reps with what I saw as little reason, which is why I initally questioned his motives. Unwarranted aggression so early seems a bit scummy to me. As I dug in deeper to reps posts though I began to suspect him myself, for the above mentioned reasons, which is why I withdrew my statement against Deus and shifted my attention towards reps.
On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote: I will give some opinion.
Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO.
Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him.
Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange.
I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense.
I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on.
On August 02 2013 04:18 Nightcat99 wrote: If we get a no Lynch because you move your vote on the last minute, you and rep is both going to be voted as scum team.
On August 01 2013 10:14 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Seems really suspicious to me that DeusX keeps trying to nail squishy. Umasi and Alak, why did you withdraw your votes for him? Did I miss something earlier in the thread?
As I mentioned, found Deus suspicious---obviously two of you had as well, and I wondered why you had withdrawn since I couldn't see a reason immediately.
Also, again with the suspicison of him trying to nail reps
On August 01 2013 10:27 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I take back what I said earlier about Deus...just found that awesome filter tool. Reps does look shady as hell...he has an excuse for everything, and that whole newbie act at the beginning was pretty fishy...I agree with Deus anyway at this point. At some point we're going to have to deal with him anyway, right now he is just muddying the waters.
Here is where I filtered and saw what reps had posted..basically about how much he had read and then all the sketchy signs he was giving off initially. See here:
On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote: So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here?
On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.
Pfft. 'Scuse me, yeah there is. Coming
I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be
All trying to play up his newbiness despite his claims that he's read through all these threads. Just didn't add up to me, which is why I switched to him
On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote: If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.
But this is too late, there is no switching at this point.
On August 02 2013 05:19 Nightcat99 wrote: Ok now that we have reach night 1, i would like to stay that i want every one to make a post before then ends about who we shall pressure if in the event they die.
List out names that you feel scummy and people that you trust atm, an hour or so before the dead line so scum cant change their target.
On August 02 2013 05:19 Nightcat99 wrote: Ok now that we have reach night 1, i would like to stay that i want every one to make a post before then ends about who we shall pressure if in the event they die.
List out names that you feel scummy and people that you trust atm, an hour or so before the dead line so scum cant change their target.
And Uamsi , you need to explain yourself.
HWOAOAH!!
A town ish post becomes scummy!
DO
NOT
DISCUSS
TOWNREADS
AT
NIGHT
My giant post has a list of everyone, if I leave out people then aren't the town reads obvious from that anyway? Do you want me to cut out chunks of it or just leave it as it is for more information?
You should only do this at day, or toward the end of the final hour of night.
Can you be online at/near deadline tomorrow?
Hate to wait. -_- but if you give strong townreads at night it's a death sentence.
On August 02 2013 12:19 Alakaslam wrote: HolyFlare, do you think Indio is scum?
Not so much to be honest, that's why I'm asking about the umasi gotard nightcat link, specifically umasi and gotard on infii is what sparks my interest
Yes, indeed I don't like the attacks on our German Indio Jones. But I didn't see that as particularly scummy.
On August 02 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote: It was directed at holyflare, but you can talk too :3
I don't really have a ton more to say other than to direct you towards my posts answering Slam a page ago and my preliminary investigation of gotard. As I state there, I think he is someone who hasn't gotten enough discussion for the way he pressured infinii so early and then kind of fell off as a prescence once it failed to stick.
I agree with umasi though gotard did have some good points, even if he went about it badly. I'd really like to know why stim and slam are so convinced infinii is town. If there is a good reason for it I think that further cements gotard as a suspect.
Really I think thats one of the key pieces we need to begin unraveling...given the neutral posting of infinii and the strange aggression of gotard one of them is almost certain to be scummy...I'm inclined to gotard, but either way theret is just a scummy taint to their exchange imo.
Sorry, this is kind of rambling.
Summary, since it kind of rambled: Gotard or infinii is scummy I think its gotard, as I elaborated on above and in previous post We need to hear more about why slam and stim trust infinii We then need to discuss and act on one of them. In my opinion it's one of our most solid reads that 1 of those 2 is scummy, we just need to determine which
Hell yes RDO. Coming right up you have bamcis within a post.
I trust Indio because his analysis has seemed cool an collected, and he has contributed to town. He is in Germany, his posting won't come until later. Quotes of Indio coming
On August 02 2013 12:00 Umasi wrote: tbth, I don't know what to think of gotard, since he's always kinda scummy to me, but never REALLY scummy. He goes through times of not scum and very scummy, but at the moment I'm leading only kinda scummy. I actually liked how he picked up on infiis posts, and I heavily agree with him on a lot of points. The way he preformed his pressure is the only issue, but I think he's done more for town than infii.
~I still don't know why slam and stim think infii is town, if you want to enlighten me, go for it, unless I missed a post, in which case, point it out to me~
my thoughts on alakaslam~ upon rereading him, he "felt town". It's hard to understand what he's saying a lot of the time, but I've kind of gotten the hang of it, I think. He has six pages of gameplay in his filter, and there's no reason for scum to be as active as he has been, and he's thrown himself around with reckless abandon. I'm willing to overlook him till later in the game, I don't think he's who we should target lynch wise.
reading this is what just added to the theory I asked you about, if you read it in the sense that those 2 are in fact mafia then the link just seems all too obvious
On August 02 2013 12:00 Umasi wrote: tbth, I don't know what to think of gotard, since he's always kinda scummy to me, but never REALLY scummy. He goes through times of not scum and very scummy, but at the moment I'm leading only kinda scummy. I actually liked how he picked up on infiis posts, and I heavily agree with him on a lot of points. The way he preformed his pressure is the only issue, but I think he's done more for town than infii.
~I still don't know why slam and stim think infii is town, if you want to enlighten me, go for it, unless I missed a post, in which case, point it out to me~
my thoughts on alakaslam~ upon rereading him, he "felt town". It's hard to understand what he's saying a lot of the time, but I've kind of gotten the hang of it, I think. He has six pages of gameplay in his filter, and there's no reason for scum to be as active as he has been, and he's thrown himself around with reckless abandon. I'm willing to overlook him till later in the game, I don't think he's who we should target lynch wise.
reading this is what just added to the theory I asked you about, if you read it in the sense that those 2 are in fact mafia then the link just seems all too obvious
On August 02 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote: slam what are you even communicating? Right when I think I can understand what you're trying to communicate normally, you post that video t.t
I'm saying his FoS, combined with what he says, implicates ya
Sawry
Haha now I think I don't die tonight but HolyFlare, please do not forget to post your reads
On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game
And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?
And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain?
Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious.
Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier.
Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.
Lots of scum don't read the thread. They rely on the qt and their teammates who post a gist in there.
Someone states "hey town is discussing no lynch as a possibility XD this looks good, maybe we can play this" and he gets the wrong idea.
That's right I was talking to RDO
Duuuuuuuuude 10 page filter I think I get longest road
On August 02 2013 12:46 Holyflare wrote: I am literally getting giddy from staying up and writing all this crap (it's 5am) so get your questions in right now before I go drop on my bed.
On August 02 2013 16:37 Gotard wrote: RDO's spike is activity after the 1st is super weird.
Why did he wait so long to go on me when he could do that way later and instead he decided to lurk hard? It would be way more beneficial for town to accuse me before day ended because It would give us another lynch candidate and there would much more discussion going and voting patter would be more interesting to look at. All he did day one was lurking and sheeping Reps. I think he's trying to cover his sheeping and look more pro town.
On August 03 2013 00:03 Nightcat99 wrote: @slam Can you give us a analyze on what you feel about Umasi please.
Well I'm always gonna be pleased with him due to meta, and the fact that I fall head over heels for The House of Chezinu. That being said I am aware of the positive bias and the possibility that he rolls scum.
Having slept, I see the game from a different angle and my memory is slightly more fresh. If either Umasi or Gotard are town, the other is also. There are millers in this game, and check Umasi's filter.
Miller isn't useless but it's no great loss like a blue. Unless I'm wrong
Willing to suspend bias but don't wanna lynch him yet
On August 03 2013 06:15 Nightcat99 wrote: I mean his vote were all over the place, he switched vote to slam on the last min because reason unknown to me....
On August 03 2013 08:17 infii wrote: Also on a side note: Holy shit holy! Your analysis is marvelous, I gladly would have get murdered instead of you! Seems like scum knows what they are doing...
On August 03 2013 09:10 Umasi wrote: ~I have explained myself for the vote swap, and that's what people hate. Me and gotard being similarly suspicious of infii isn't weird, people who think that infii was town are weird, because he was scummy (not anymore)
also, if reps were an easy mislynch to push, why would I immediately target deus? Wouldn't it be more logical to keep pushing reps? Because that was early enough it wasn't "concrete" that reps was gonna get lynched.
That isn't the only thing, actually you haven't defended that, and also there is the tempting prospect of my pressure, on a better player. You don't think scum would be positively giddy with getting rid of him, assuming he is town anyway, and then going "oh gowrsh I hate u all. We totes should have lynched reps, reps is bad!" Next day?
Also RDO post this page, couples your inconsistency
And yes I refer to you following me on deus. Why you do as I do, with just the right delay? Your timing is just off.
Umasi u r lookin like nonfat milk past expiration
Skum milk
Man I don't get the whole "I refuse to read Indio as town before now" stuff either. Just waiting until it is slap in face obvious AND I have pointed out reasons, then ignoring the reasons I pointed out. His great analysis was pre- night! He DID contribute.
On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote: One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts?
I have started to mean town on RDO.
You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit.
Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3)
Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of.
On August 03 2013 09:40 Nightcat99 wrote: Man slam , you would be such a great help , if i dont have to reread everything you write 3 times. I was getting suspicious on you because you secure the lynch but you didnt say anything to umasi the whole night.
Although i never had a scum read on you, that behavior you have was a bit odd, but i am off your case for now.
And about the vote switch, there was still quiet a bit of floating vote out there, a scum could have still switch back to secure that lynch, (assuming Umasi is a scum of course.)
So i dont think his vote switch is a risk of letting rep live.
Yeah actually I did.
I got pissed he didn't vote scam. I switched before him. If he really wanted lynch off reps but didn't want no lynch, he should have counter wagoned with me, publicly so. He didnt. Now he wants to go after scam, and says he purposely wanted to no lynch.
Thank you for reminding me of the back of my mind.
On August 03 2013 09:45 Nightcat99 wrote: i like to metion zyree hasnot posted for almost 30 hours now, i know holy got a town read from him, but i actually never did. His post were all a bunch of town read and null, i am not seeing how he could be consider as town.
On August 03 2013 09:44 Umasi wrote: assume we're a scum team together, what would we get out of tag teaming like you said we did? Is there any reason we would build such a strong connection? (yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.) (btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.)
That is actually a really difficult mistake to avoid as scum, it is natural to begin working together as a team without realizing it.
Also. My reply is WIFOM. It implicates me! Haha I was teaming up with you from the start. But that was more blatant.
Still, last bit irrelephant because look what I said now
On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote: One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts?
Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of.
Huh? I've been posting a fair amount the past couple of nights, all outside of my work schedule? I'm confused tt
I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.
If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?
If you were scum
Do you seek towncred
He knows reps will flip town. PLEASE READ MY NEXT QUOTE. -_-
On August 03 2013 09:40 Nightcat99 wrote: Man slam , you would be such a great help , if i dont have to reread everything you write 3 times. I was getting suspicious on you because you secure the lynch but you didnt say anything to umasi the whole night.
Although i never had a scum read on you, that behavior you have was a bit odd, but i am off your case for now.
And about the vote switch, there was still quiet a bit of floating vote out there, a scum could have still switch back to secure that lynch, (assuming Umasi is a scum of course.)
So i dont think his vote switch is a risk of letting rep live.
Yeah actually I did.
I got pissed he didn't vote scam. I switched before him. If he really wanted lynch off reps but didn't want no lynch, he should have counter wagoned with me, publicly so. He didnt. Now he wants to go after scam, and says he purposely wanted to no lynch.
Thank you for reminding me of the back of my mind.
On August 03 2013 09:59 Umasi wrote: or are you asking why I didn't vote in line with your vote? and the answer to that is infii was scummier than a lurker. scam still hasn't picked it up , whereas infii has
He was NOT scummier! Who besides you & Gotard have thought he was again? And on top of that, why didnt you push Indio before doing scam?
On August 03 2013 09:44 Umasi wrote: assume we're a scum team together, what would we get out of tag teaming like you said we did? Is there any reason we would build such a strong connection? (yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.) (btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.)
I'm not out to get you. Also, not so stupid as you seem to think friend
I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.
It's a more subtle tag-team, possibly even unintentionally backing up someone who you know to be your teammate (assuming you are mafia, which obviously is still to be decided)
I got a lot of heat for just defending myself, and now I begin to see why. There's a lot coming your way to answer for, so you are busy, but I'd like to see some of your theories come out more too to steer the discussion down other avenues that might benefit the town
You are distracting! This had better be settled. How do you not think a found scum is 100% most important thing? I tell you, Umasi's actions do not fit with his defenses!
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote: I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote: I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.
With no intention of switching back whatsoever!
Explain yourself please
He really doesn't have to, in this situation. Especially since it looks even scummier- you are not thinking about scum perspective. Scum does not want to look scummy, they really don't have to lead or aid mislynches, especially at the cost of towncred. They have nk. They would like to see mislynches, but them dying drags their win out significantly further than not quite mislynch ing.
On August 03 2013 10:12 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you need to read a little bit more carefully, and post more rationally, we're having a hard time following what you're trying to say. I still want to pressure scam because he hasn't voted, I think he's a smart person to pressure. Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though.
I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently.
Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam)
Fail defense, do as you preach
Doesn't get any more console than: if I was wrong and he was scummy, why not vote him start of today? I am bombastic, yes! Once I am so convinced of scum I will be a jerk and more about it.
This is indefensible! It really is! That is why you call me confusing
On August 03 2013 10:14 Umasi wrote: Slam, infii at least has POSTED. Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen? Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea?
It isn't
Why didnt you see before then? That was my opinion at the time!
Oh but Indio was scummier. VERY WELL. WHY NOT VOTE HIM FIRST TODAY THEN? YOU DID NOT THINK HE WAS TOWN ALREADY. DON'T BOTHER SAYING THAT.
Deus ex such distraction is looking scummy. You act like there is such thing as a SCUMSLIP. There isn't! You have to take motives over a period to truly catch scum! This period is long! It is not just his vote switching, it is the details of that PAIRED WITH HIS VOTING BEHAVIOR AT THE START OF DAY 2.
On August 03 2013 10:17 Umasi wrote: The promise of future activity is good. infii was scummier, but I had more of an expectation he would post things. Therefore, voting scam makes sense, to make him post. and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam.
~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :<
The problem with scam is he isn't even going to post anymore except to survive if that. that was discussed at night.
I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.
If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?
He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?
There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player
? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?
Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).
Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me
A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be).
It is because of towncred. A few were voicing concern with the lynch. And it was avoidable. But last minute switches look bad; if he had switched with me, we may have lynched scam, it could have happened. There were a few people uneasy, and they were on reps. If they switched, the wagons would have changed size- drawing reps wagon. But rather, votes Indio. Because there were vocal detractors to that, and no-lynch is better towncred. If we had successfully lynched scam and he was town, it would have implicated Umasi and I, and reps. Since this is a scenario where Umasi is scum, that mean scum is implicated. Don't do it that way then. To just sit on it after having been vocally uneasy looks scummy too. People call it "distancing from the lynch".
What else
Sorry for tunnel but I have never been so convinced
My case is purely timing problems. It should not be te some reason for voting Umasi. Couple this with a) your own reasoning and b) flare's case, others case etc.
First couple actions that are relevant but does not look scummy on their own: Umasi declares that no lynch is never good repeatedly and reasonably. I disagreed, but only in situations like when 1 kill away from Lylo. I was not as specific at the time. Also says lynch all lurkers is good policy.
Next action, relevant. Begins to be uneasy with reps lynch. So was I.
My action, relevant, slight scummy: Disagrees with town consensus. Votes scam for lurker lynch.
Umasi action, slight scummy: disagrees with town consensus after agreeing. Does not switch vote yet.
Next action, scummy: Votes Indio. Says prefers no lynch to town lynch (I would have agreed but wasn't in thread) but shows no interest in solidifying stance on lynching lurkers, and appears not to have read India's filter, since he only really made 1 scummy post. Not a convincing counter wagon (what should have been intent, given prior stances) but that goes into next action;
Next action, odd and scummy: Says prefers, desires no lynch... Not a hint to pushing people to get off reps and on Indio while he's gone please or his opinion of town worse (I would see this as more likely move from Standpoint)
Next action, null to scummy: I vote switch back to reps, saying we have to lynch and upset with town or not consolidating (contradicts my idea that no lynch can be better than lynch; if this bothers you I can answer however. For the sake of conciseness, I won't here)
Next action: Reps is lynched. Town ofc.
Next action, null: I get a little pissed with Umasi for not voting with me, or maybe the only time was preflip. But I think I vocalized it in thread too, and wrote it off later.
Next action, townie (by Umasi): Votes scam immediately. Would be good move on its own.
Next action, townie: Indio makes a big post with analysis.
Consider the above.
The problem I have that is not seen above but which involves the above, is the lack of this action. Voting for Indio first.
Explanation given: he felt Indio would at least post, lurker needed pressure. But lurker always needed pressure. If Indio is scum be is scum, vote him first no? Also, coupled with the non- townie stuff, this comes of as fuel to the scumminess of the earlier actions; showing that in town face, he agreed with me rather than otherwise.
I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.
If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?
He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?
There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player
? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?
Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).
Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me
A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be).
It is because of towncred. A few were voicing concern with the lynch. And it was avoidable. But last minute switches look bad; if he had switched with me, we may have lynched scam, it could have happened. There were a few people uneasy, and they were on reps. If they switched, the wagons would have changed size- drawing reps wagon. But rather, votes Indio. Because there were vocal detractors to that, and no-lynch is better towncred. If we had successfully lynched scam and he was town, it would have implicated Umasi and I, and reps. Since this is a scenario where Umasi is scum, that mean scum is implicated. Don't do it that way then. To just sit on it after having been vocally uneasy looks scummy too. People call it "distancing from the lynch".
What else
Sorry for tunnel but I have never been so convinced
Fair enough. This by far and away the best response to his vote switch yet. I am still not convinced. Look where it got him. If he is scum that vote switch was a really bad and stupid move. It got him way to much attention.
Under the assumption that he is actually scum, this is far better scum play than I was pulling off in that game I talk about now and then. Scum is really freaking hard man, don't look at what is possible, look at what is likely.
On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote
Neither. But in context, better to switch- I have addressed this already.
He was already voicing disapproval, so it implicates him and I if we stuck with it nonetheless.
On August 03 2013 12:04 Umasi wrote: I guess Gotards a good lynch too? I'd happily do it, but I want scam to fucking post.
100% on this.
He just is not going to though! If he posts to not be modkilled, however, I don't care who is scummy. We lynch him day 3 if he doesn't post at all and then does that.
Oh yeah. The deal you quoted with Gotard and Indio.
Neither appears to have understood the other fully. Indio is saying the post Gotard dislikes was aimed at scam. Makes a little sense to me, he means he wasn't saying he would not get reads, but that he was telling scam that this was how he was behaving and only justification he could think of was that scam thinks you can't get info day one. It would be a lie I think though, scam hadn't posted at that point if I remember right. Then Gotard went on to attack what Indio actually wound up saying, according to himself
Really a stretch but then that is the only way I can see it that makes sense because I can't make sense of the post.
The one where Gotard says "really? Directed at scam?" Or some such confusing
"Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-"
This is FAR scummier than your behavior.
Wow. The best defense is really a good offense, always XD
Feh. Gotard defense thyself
And thistime I move rashly it's 9:00 that's past bedtime so I'm sleepy
goes and ##votes Gotard man
Umasi you may be wondering how I was like "TUNNNNNNNNN NEL TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!" And now all cool & stuff
Well you did explain yourself from a town perspective. You pointed out the possibility and likelihood of simply forgetting a past stance in the heat of the moment.
If you actually are scum, this is a great newbie scum training moment -_-, but if you are town, that is maybe a close call? But only person as voted you is RDO, so I back off until people come read an give their thoughts.
On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote: At this point I looked weak/neutral because I didn't want to determine myself on something as it was still early on day1. So I was a possibly easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective.
How you were easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective? You were "posting reads" and trying to look like a town. Reps was easy lynch because he didn't post anything that might look pro town. Scam is an easy lynch now.
On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote: I defended myself like Gotard wanted - not enough. I wrote a wall of text going in-depth on my arguments in full detail - still not enough.
You've never defended yourself. Never told us why nightcat was your 2nd scumread and when you explained your initial read on Umasi you've used his post after your read has been already posted. Where is logic in here?
On August 03 2013 09:32 Alakaslam wrote: Also Gotard Umasi both hiding facts! Can be unintentional but ignoring convenient stuff. Is pushing agenda and confusing. But I am confusing.
What "facts" are we hiding? You are confusing because you post some weird shit sometimes and you won't even bother explain it.
Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit))
infii was a better target because he spent more time defending himself, the points brought up against him were strong and I agreed with them (go read gotards filter) (this also happens to be why holyflare lumped us together)
He engages infii in useless discussion about no lynching or not. He's saying he's scummy because infii has different opinions, not because infii has scum motivations.
Useless discussion? I wanted to get reasoning behind his thoughts.
"discussion about no lynching or not" I was saying that lynching townie isn't useless for town because it gives information. I wasn't talking about no lynching.
On August 04 2013 02:07 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah- if you thought reps was scummy why did you vote Indio?
Because Infii was scummy in a lot less obvious way, he tried to hide. What Reps did happened in every single game I played and it always has been a town lynch.
Then why did you cast suspicion on him back when? That was not your stance at the time, although it may be now.
More and more it looks like flare solved the game.
On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate.
My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do
Anyway, more to come
Well, that is a textbook case of WIFOM. See what if they know this and post that to discourage the theory.
On August 04 2013 07:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: infii- what was with the earlier suspicion that he displayed with regards to you? I can understand treating you with standard suspicion, and I can understand cooperating with you, but such an obvious
From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear"
If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back
Stim hadn't found the qt yet possibly? Confused miller and mason like I oft do? It is possible
Dude I am bamcis in the back of my head. I only didnt state this because I was arguing with myself, no way deus is scum, but Indio jones to the rescue.
Going to get wagon to roll...
The Chezinu concept works within me.........
......##Votes sorry Umasi!!
I am wishy washy looking as scum players would be normally xD but that is because I am a reluctant lyncher.
On August 04 2013 08:50 Umasi wrote: YOU GUYS WANT TO LET SCAM LIVE? AFTER THAT? (just checking in, gonna bounce again. read that by scam, why on earth would we let him live, since modkills aren't happening? According to Ange.)
He is tomorrow.
Look at his post- scum game is fun and he swears like his role is no fun.
On August 04 2013 09:46 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I don't want to go for scam because taking him out is too easy..it won't draw out much in the way of scumminess because everyone wants him gone. Whereas if we actually go after people who are playing we might get more info. Scam is just a lost cause. We can hope he eventually gets modkilled at some point anyway and saves us a lynch. If not, we can take him out when we feel like it. Or if we have a vigilante, they could sure do us a favor right now :p
At any rate, I think it's more productive to chase players right now, not lurkers
On August 04 2013 12:48 Nightcat99 wrote: Ok respond to infil's question, i known they are not int he right time order.
But what i am saying is that i didnt catch the last quote , on my first run through but then i saw it when i reread the filter. and since he "dropped" suspicious on you , then you cant be mason cause if you guys are mason, then he shall not have suspicious on you in the first place.
He already said stim did not see the qt and BH or someone told him about it right when Indio was about to talk to coach.
On August 04 2013 13:37 Nightcat99 wrote: and slam did you drop your suscipious on uamsi?
Hahahahahaha! What happened to usami? Or my autocorrect for umami? Like I should call him tsunami!
No, I haven't- he is generally just as scummy as Gotard but Gotard did one thin that was much scummier than any one thing Umasi did and less explainable. He
"Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-"
This is FAR scummier than your behavior.
Wow. The best defense is really a good offense, always XD
Feh. Gotard defense thyself
And thistime I move rashly it's 9:00 that's past bedtime so I'm sleepy
goes and ##votes Gotard man
Umasi you may be wondering how I was like "TUNNNNNNNNN NEL TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!" And now all cool & stuff
Well you did explain yourself from a town perspective. You pointed out the possibility and likelihood of simply forgetting a past stance in the heat of the moment.
If you actually are scum, this is a great newbie scum training moment -_-, but if you are town, that is maybe a close call? But only person as voted you is RDO, so I back off until people come read an give their thoughts.
On August 03 2013 13:09 Alakaslam wrote: I'll borrow from your quote and quote you.
"Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-"
This is FAR scummier than your behavior.
Wow. The best defense is really a good offense, always XD
Feh. Gotard defense thyself
And thistime I move rashly it's 9:00 that's past bedtime so I'm sleepy
goes and ##votes Gotard man
Umasi you may be wondering how I was like "TUNNNNNNNNN NEL TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!" And now all cool & stuff
Well you did explain yourself from a town perspective. You pointed out the possibility and likelihood of simply forgetting a past stance in the heat of the moment.
If you actually are scum, this is a great newbie scum training moment -_-, but if you are town, that is maybe a close call? But only person as voted you is RDO, so I back off until people come read an give their thoughts.
you are going to have to explain this to me, isnt this your quote, what did gotard do?
Show nested quote, he said squishy was scummy and then went and voted Indio.
On August 04 2013 13:53 Nightcat99 wrote: the two people holy think is a scum team is hitting each other over the face with a bat.
I had so much confident in his reads too , i bet he is rolling over in his obs forum.
(Well he through i was scum too) guess i shallnt have mention that lol
Peh feel free.
Over the rainbow I was scum once. We had 1/2 member count KP, rounded up, so if we were all alive (3) we had 2 KP. I was told to lurk, refused; when it looked like I had been found out I said "bus me" and they did. Next move was to attack each other so xD
But we lost. Vigi OP when he is {redacted}, he actually Vigi-d me I think because somehow town was more willing to lynch 3p over scum who did not defend himself except by noob card (hell yeah I am so cool)
On August 04 2013 14:01 Nightcat99 wrote: so what you are saying is you are not buying their attack on each other and think this could be a play they are setting up?
On August 04 2013 14:14 Umasi wrote: yeah, you can feel free to call me tsunami. Reading usami all the time is like :< do you guys just not spell goods? kind of thing. who started that anyway? calling me usami, that is.
as for focusing on gotard, the easiest way to prove my innocence is to find and lynch scum, so when I read gotard and was like "he's actually scummy" it was reasonable to state my thoughts on him/make a pseudo case. Still want scam dead :<
Pseudo case?
And heck I don't even remember I think it's been happening since before this game
But hey man I am Sarah palin's sheep according to Day[9]
On August 04 2013 14:25 Nightcat99 wrote: last game i only have a few people i through was scummy, ( i was completely wrong but atleast there was only a few people)
This game, i wont be surprise that you are all scums and i am playing alone.
There is so many non talkative people in this game, its so hard to get a read.
Like Umasi said, have to pray my portrait isn't in the game
Well, there is an unusually high concentration of them
On August 04 2013 15:13 Umasi wrote: haha, just a character from a book I read in middle school called truancy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truancy_(novel) Became my handle for literally everything ever since then.
On August 04 2013 14:14 Umasi wrote: yeah, you can feel free to call me tsunami. Reading usami all the time is like :< do you guys just not spell goods? kind of thing. who started that anyway? calling me usami, that is.
as for focusing on gotard, the easiest way to prove my innocence is to find and lynch scum, so when I read gotard and was like "he's actually scummy" it was reasonable to state my thoughts on him/make a pseudo case. Still want scam dead :<
Don't think you will get so easily off the hook tsunami, err mumasmi... masamumi? origami? Just kidding :D If gotard flips red you are still under heavy suspicion.
We still need 2 more votes on gotard. I'd like to complete a possible lynch on him as early as possible to get him out of his hole and defend himself. I will perceive a non-vote on him or switching votes to someone else as a scum read.
On August 03 2013 07:50 Umasi wrote: infii, did you even read the message I linked? The entire reason I unvoted is BECAUSE of what I thought of reps and you. It was not clear that reps was going to be lynched, here's why: If it were clear, then people wouldn't get angry at me for endangering the lynch. and the entire point behind my reasoning is that I'd have preferred a no lynch than a reps lynch.
Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time.
Indio jones holds the map to the artifact that is causing our insane software issues (the source of which will be in this posts image) after all, exploding monitors and such from software? Yeah. See the image, history channel irrefutable.
So see, the problems have and will target Indio, except that now with the guilty prophet rule someone else will die or some such WIFOM. But basically, the map is in the pattern of the problems behavior, Indio jones may have the interpretation but when (image) are involved you always need the psychopath to interpret stuff that is why I'm here
On August 05 2013 01:38 Zyrre wrote: Calling all townies, less then 3.5hours left until lynch
We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi.
##unvote DeusXmachina ##vote Umasi
My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam. Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me".
When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk.
Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see.
Well this coupled with other town plays reinforces DeusXmachina as town
Didja think I was gonna say zyrre? Nah dude remember OMGIS
On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote: Good Quote Here He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him.
I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right?
On August 05 2013 04:56 infii wrote: As a reminder, I already said that I am against posting during night, that is why I won't post anything, until the next day (if I survive)
On August 05 2013 09:12 Nightcat99 wrote: Crap sorry i had a busy day, barely manage to vote and then forgot to put on voting threat, and got call noob by the all mighty....
but things turn out well atleast, i will go reread everything.
First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu.
Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means?
SK
We are forgetting about SK
He is on our side though :D
Here are my thoughts:
DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out.
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
On July 30 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
This is how I have rolled every TL game
Basically
Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos
That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance
On August 05 2013 03:31 Gotard wrote: I'm cop. Checked RDO and he's scum.
This is the only thing that throws me off. However, in a way it makes sense. Gotard feels he is going to be lynched. In his last moments he says this to throw town off the tail of RDO.
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos
That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance
I desire read the ppl qt
Part of the reason I mentioned that was you could very possibly have been an attempted kill that got blocked by doc.
Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night.
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos
That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance
I desire read the ppl qt
Part of the reason I mentioned that was you could very possibly have been an attempted kill that got blocked by doc.
Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night.
On August 06 2013 11:56 Alakaslam wrote: Flesh out nightcat vote then?
what do you mean slam? i dont understand that.
Pretty much this
On August 06 2013 15:06 Umasi wrote: RDO You're pretty set to be lynched, I don't plan on taking my vote off of you, but I don't like how you just "well k I'm done". It's still possible you are is town/there is a serial killer, and there's no reason we should just stop discussing things.
We all think you're scum, but if you're town, you have nothing to lose by contributing
so let's treat this like you're confirmed town.
you die today, and stim, the mason confirmed town, is shot at night. Who do you think is the final scum and why?
On August 07 2013 01:44 StiMaDDict wrote: What is this crazy thought I have in my head that Alakaslam is the a scum master mind and he deceived us all ._.
Dude
I have been called epic town and epic scum in the same game
I should roll 3p sometime, but seriously look at the post-guessing thread, you will see I was totally hoodwinked where the vets say "rofl how could anyone think post x is anything but scum"
Hehehe
Well if RDO is not scum I don't know who is. Maybe DeusXmachina but that just seems so unlikely.
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go.
If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons.
He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot.
Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words.
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go.
If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons.
He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot.
Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words.
People, talk. The games not won yet :<
If RDO is not scum, I'm cool with this
Just know that my vt flip in that case would implicate
On August 07 2013 13:49 Umasi wrote: ~the point is that if we mislynch, it's mylo slam.
so if RDO is not the final scum, I think it is you. Just to make sure we're clear on this. (right?) I think so,,
we have six, probably 5-1, if rdo is scum we win or lynch nightcat, w.e if nightcat is 3p/town, it's 4-1, if a nightkill goes through, it's 3-1 and mylo.
?
Anyway WTH lynch nightcat. There haven't been any other double nk.
If it really matters I am vt, but I get like the latter half of this in Lylo ish situations
On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go.
If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons.
He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot.
Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words.
People, talk. The games not won yet :<
Wait a minute
Umasi reread. This is innacurate.
I did not get a free pass, I followed my gut and was off reps long before u. Then I secured the lynch, angry with town.
But yes see this makes me think you are better player. You see me for who I am- not bamcis at this game by any stretch.
Not a horrible as once was but definitely not as goo as say Onegu or even DeusXmachina, who is (100% new or am I wrong?)
On August 07 2013 14:12 Umasi wrote: slam, I don't think it was inaccurate, it's just that if you are scum, then the way you pulled that off makes sense. So if you're scum, it is not inaccurate.
The timing difference makes all the difference... And the votesw
Ok I see now. U r right it is WIFOM which is scummy
On August 07 2013 14:16 DeusXmachina wrote: Slam I would hardly say I am doing goo. I have been wrong on several of my reads so far primarily reps and zyrre. Also I am curious to know, why are you suspicious of me, and why can't it be said until night?
It can be, but shouldn't be until end of night as it involves sayin strongest townread & such things
On August 07 2013 21:59 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I cannot wait to see the oh shit posts when I flip town. Y'all are gonna have a fun time!
Btw mine I will just put now
"Well this will be a long hard road to convince you all to vote DeusXmachina. See we have found another one of the masters. Wak Wak Wak (stuff I can't say now)..."
Umasi whoever is left is pretty much totes town except deus & me
Deus is more town than me but you must hear me if mislynch gives game to scum
This is that situation where no-lynch is feasible, but I hope we don't do this. Nightcat is Vig, stim is mason, you are cop but that doesn't matter as much as I thought because I just realized because deus is probably gf- he will probably come back green to your check.
On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote: I will give some opinion.
Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO.
Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him.
Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange.
I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense.
I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on.
So true, but not anymore- dang it
Nightcat u should have pushed my lynch before xD
Um so this is nuts. I think Actually I don't know who will die tonight.
On August 08 2013 08:31 Umasi wrote: I'm not the cop. A: Why did you think I was and B: Why would you point it out to the thread?
A: will find in your filter and B: initially I didn't want to. But it doesn't matter anymore; we are all as good as vt. I wanted to clear up why it is between DeusXmachina and I, otherwise, you are a potential candidate as well.
The voice of Indio speaks from the past! What does he say? He calls to me!
On August 06 2013 05:29 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE RDO I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though.
On August 06 2013 05:43 Umasi wrote: nightcat is just confirmed not scum, could still be sk. Won't pursue that avenue of logic atm :< it's not relevant
On August 08 2013 12:11 Umasi wrote: Also, what makes deus a better lynch than you? That's what you have to convince me. And I'm not leaning too far scum on you :<
I want a better reason than "well I am scummy but YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME" because deus could just go say something identical and we'd be back at square one.
X-ACTO
That is what I'm thinking of though. I dunno, I mean deus has helped town a lot, and I suxxorz at reads.
Deus pushed reps a lot, but that got town rolling
Deus voted Gotard quick, far as I remember it was before me
And there is the meta nobody here has, where my scum game is not like this
And then, there is dude, I tried to help reps, but we had to lynch, u know? That is why page 35
Then I, I pointed out this specific scenario- as the one time town should srsly consider no-lynch, but I don't know why that would help unless nk was really stupid.
Also, being confirmed town is great but I'm just not bamcis enough, nightcat was seriously correct- I should be lynched before these scenarios unless confirmed town.
On August 07 2013 14:16 DeusXmachina wrote: Slam I would hardly say I am doing goo. I have been wrong on several of my reads so far primarily reps and zyrre. Also I am curious to know, why are you suspicious of me, and why can't it be said until night?
I answered this with one of those two.
Off topic:
Also you will see where I was coming from in the post this was a reply to.
You see, all this is the best I can do (making nightcat correct, not saying why I am noting this because it doesn't matter now). I thought (and our ing friend has pointed out in the past) that my scum game would be downright epic because of this, but really? Nope. I got nk by Vig very quickly, as I was a scum read of his.
See, if you cannot ever avoid looking scummy, you will not be successful with Mafia, as town or scum. But there is this: which games have I been lynched in?
NMM XLIII.
Out of how many? Well, if you include offsite, aperture will (I hope, up to GreyMist) be my seventh.
"Oh but all newbies"
NWM. (Granted that was a loss- still I did not ever be but ignored).
***Back on topic***
So what have I to say for myself? Three words
Lack of skill in forming reads. Is this improving? Not as quickly as it was, so I am unsure if it even is. But this matters here because it points out something inherently scummy about me: I post what I can think of, making me hard to read for everyone as they are for me (Take that! Oh, nonononono). So what can I say about that? Well, here is what it is: I can guide my vote two ways. From my town perspective (faulty at best) or my scum perspective (intentionally faulty, but all knowing...). From my scum perspective, I could have done anything I did this game. But somewhere in 20 pages of YAHOO! There should be something that points out my motives.
So, EVERYONE;
Do as deus is doing. Filter dive me, I know your head will hurt. I apologize. If you can find townie stuff, consider it, repost it. If you find scummy stuff, consider it, repost it. (Just realized we don't need 80 more pages- use discretion, don't repost what others repost). I will be very open about "why are you aLaKaSLaM dude, that is just psycho" questions and explain my motives best I can.
Determine who the scum player is based on your results.
Why does RDO give up. I refuse to give up.
Little voice of Indio within me: "you hypocrite. You will never listen to me."
Yes I will... I think
I will try not to fail you Indio jones
Phone let me do it just this once.
Infii. Yes it worked
This guy and deus go far, Learn the ways of hurricane sponge and chromatically
On August 07 2013 14:16 DeusXmachina wrote: Slam I would hardly say I am doing goo. I have been wrong on several of my reads so far primarily reps and zyrre. Also I am curious to know, why are you suspicious of me, and why can't it be said until night?
So what have I to say for myself? Three words
Lack of skill in forming reads. Is this improving? Not as quickly as it was, so I am unsure if it even is. But this matters here because it points out something inherently scummy about me: I post what I can think of, making me hard to read for everyone as they are for me (Take that! Oh, nonononono). So what can I say about that? Well, here is what it is: I can guide my vote two ways. From my town perspective (faulty at best) or my scum perspective (intentionally faulty, but all knowing...). From my scum perspective, I could have done anything I did this game. But somewhere in 20 pages of YAHOO! There should be something that points out my motives.
So, EVERYONE;
Do as deus is doing. Filter dive me, I know your head will hurt. I apologize. If you can find townie stuff, consider it, repost it. If you find scummy stuff, consider it, repost it. (Just realized we don't need 80 more pages- use discretion, don't repost what others repost). I will be very open about "why are you aLaKaSLaM dude, that is just psycho" questions and explain my motives best I can.
Determine who the scum player is based on your results.
Why does RDO give up. I refuse to give up.
Little voice of Indio within me: "you hypocrite. You will never listen to me."
Yes I will... I think
I will try not to fail you Indio jones
Phone let me do it just this once.
Infii. Yes it worked
This guy and deus go far, Learn the ways of hurricane sponge and chromatically
And if deus scum, Onegu
Not under Influence just tired.
"Three words"
Writes paragraph
"Not under the influence just tired"
Woooow go to sleep! XD Yeah that was pretty bad
Umasi you read my filter? You are starting to make lean toward you versus deus- he is filter diving, you are leaning around.
I can't defend much better than saying read filter and check motives and ask away. I will NOT go down like RDO, indefensible and ok with it- I WILL DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE AT MYLO AND LYLO IF WE GO TO IT!
So here is why we all sux but DeusXmachina looks like ultratown MVP:
He knows everything, he is gf.
Nonetheless please still filter dive me if I am not confirmed town and talk to me- why am I not town.
Deus if you feel I have not answered your earlier query, I did last night but TL:DR; they were largely question replies, and contribute by helping confirm my town alignment, or else not at all. But that was the motive behind them.
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos
That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance
I desire read the ppl qt
Part of the reason I mentioned that was you could very possibly have been an attempted kill that got blocked by doc.
Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night.
same difference, why are you blue hunting? You said to confirm people as town. If I'd just said "I am cop, I checked X Y Z and got A B C results, does that make me town? How is blue hunting a way to confirm people?
This could have confirmed him scum to me at that time. Remember I wasn't wholly convinced then as I became later. There is no doctor this game I was betting. He would have totally confirmed scum.
On August 09 2013 05:26 Alakaslam wrote: So here is why we all sux but DeusXmachina looks like ultratown MVP:
He knows everything, he is gf.
Nonetheless please still filter dive me if I am not confirmed town and talk to me- why am I not town.
Deus if you feel I have not answered your earlier query, I did last night but TL:DR; they were largely question replies, and contribute by helping confirm my town alignment, or else not at all. But that was the motive behind them.
So remember. Deus pushed reps for very little reason. Umasi and I saw through this, somewhat, but then reps really didnt help his case, and we both jumped of but I jumped back on because we also hate no lynch. Somehow this initially made Umasi scummy (I should know right?) and now makes me scummy. Actually, makes us both town. Since we can't be scum together, we both saw from a town perspective.
Deus pushed it though. We could have lynched anyone that day- somehow, a myslynch gave deus tons of towncred- so he continued.
We are all unsure. A far as trying to lead lynches, i tried Umasi, but backed off; found out I actually thought Gotard was scummier.
Then Gotard self- votes. Why?
Scum team saw that deus had tons of towncred. Successfully lynching Gotard had to happen for scum to seal deus' towncred, as it was still being questioned. So Gotard self-voted to secure his own lynch, because if not deus would not recoeve the towncred! In which case we might potentially lynch him instead- so Gotard self bussed!
Well then what, is Umasi the scum? And you skip my pushing of Umasi- was I right back then? All I know is that I am vt, stim is conf. town, and you were very late to actually vote Gotard. I am on such a slow connection for switching pages that I can't look through filters or even the thread ATM because I am also supposed to be digging holes.
On August 09 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote: StiM, I swear if you weren't mason you'd be the scum right now -.-
Slam, what it comes down to is that I don't think you've played a pro-town game on the whole, you make some weird jumps in reasoning, and you're extremely influenced by the state of the thread. That, and I don't think you read very carefully at all, you just talk about whatever happens to be the most recent things that were said~for instance,
On August 06 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu.
Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means?
SK
We are forgetting about SK
He is on our side though :D
Here are my thoughts:
DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out.
You just kinda look at key points and comment on those, you're not looking at what people are actually posting though~nightcats vig claim was literally the post above the night post =/
I could miss that as scum and town.
But yeah, I have tried to form reads in my head and completely failed. I am aware of my reasoning mistakes. That is why it is so hard for me to convince that I am town.
I don't really want to push too hard for this reason, however I am still using PC to check stuff out when I get home though.
On August 09 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote: Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo) so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz.
I will. Big post coming tonight. At this point though, when stim is confirmed town, defending yourself is not totally useless. Eliminates 1/3. Mainly, I just wanted to point out that slams reasons for voting me are really weak. I guess he voted me before filter diving though.
Funny you say this and we have been and Umasi hasn't, but rather has been instigating to find reads.
Not that that can't be town but noted. Now I need to fuel up and get back on freeway, at quartzite ATM.
On August 09 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote: -.- slam, when you softly put suspicion on someone, make sure it's something that's actually scummy. not defending myself isn't scummy. In fact, trying to keep conversation rolling is a townie thing to do =/
~and no ones made a case for me to defend yet~
Slam, why haven't you been posting if I die reads if you were so confident you would be shot? Why did you vote RDO? I can't find reasoning for it in the thread, you just kinda did it. From what I can see, and idk if I missed it, you mention that you think RDO is slightly townie here but then change it when you responded to deus
On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote: One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts?
I have started to mean town on RDO.
You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit.
Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3)
Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of.
On August 03 2013 14:34 DeusXmachina wrote: For what reasons are you guys not suspicious of RDO?
Irrelevant question to me as is false.
What does the phrase 'irrelevant question to me as is false' mean? tbth, I think it means that you were suspicious of him, but there's nothing in the timespan between those two quotes that would have changed your opinion, right?
Basically, it felt like you kept your head down during the RDO lynch and let it happen, and I want to find out why.
Because deus had said a loaded question, read te nested quote. I was null leaning town on him.
I had stronger townreads on you guys and later events changed my read on RDO.
You overreacted to me sir. I said not defending yourself could be either town or scum. But it was an instance of deus and I being same motive/viewpoint, which is a little town points for him- by elimination, a little scum points for you.
On August 05 2013 03:36 Zyrre wrote: No DeusX, if you read my posts you see that my premis is based on you being mafia
.... Do you even read what you write? Your premise is not based on Umasi being scum, rather it is based on me being scum? WATT. Over half of your reason for suspecting me is because I defend Umasi. You think I am mafia because I defend Umasi (who you think is mafia). Ipso facto your premise is based on Umasi being scum. Like I have said before, I was suspicious of Umasi but the more I thought about the vote switch the more I came to realize he is not scum.
Hit page 4, this jumped out at me. Zyrre was nk'ed...
On August 05 2013 04:50 Zyrre wrote: Well, I dont see a reason for me to change to Gotard. If I switch: if he is town as I believe + stim gets modkilled game is over. If I dont switch: 3 mafia, 4 town + scam will be left
You just said that. Don't need to hear it again Zyrre.
This whole page of deus filter looks so town I am switching to Umasi filter...
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii
I don't normally like general statements about the game, they feel like trying to blend in. At this point, he brings up legitimate points against infii's logic, but he doesn't vote him for the same reasons I'd find the post scummy. He votes him on a logic inconsistency, not on the basis of "this is scum motivated" (fwiw it's a shitty list of nothing but noncommittal stuff, where he just kind of generally comments on things, and even includes a disclaimer)
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii
So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that!
There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction.
However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy.
Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
I agree with both points. lynching town is never a good thing, but not lynching isn't normally wise either~
On August 01 2013 00:58 Holyflare wrote: I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town.
Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now.
Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy.
On August 01 2013 02:15 infii wrote: Then why don't you just lynch everyone e.g. in alphabetical order? Every lynch will give you crucial information, right? We are awaiting your defense btw.
Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly...
Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person?
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii
So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that!
There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction.
However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy.
Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right?
Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides.
Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most.
"There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence.
He engages infii in useless discussion about no lynching or not. He's saying he's scummy because infii has different opinions, not because infii has scum motivations. (that said, infii also engages gotard in useless discussion, so it's equally scummy on his part)
On August 01 2013 05:49 Umasi wrote: Infii, why did you pop in to comment and basically say nothing, and then tell us you don't plan on saying anything? And you're defensive! What are you trying to accomplish by that? Address things other than yourself and generic town lists, because that just looks like you attempting to appear to contribute.
In which way did I say nothing? My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M. The no-analysis thing was meant as a side note to clarify my thoughts on it...
"My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M"
On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote: That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town.
Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy.
No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree.
If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner.
I agree with gotard pretty hard here, in terms of his stance.
On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote: I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out.
There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town.
Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so.
When he addresses someone OTHER than infii, he tells him "you're scummy" and then leaves it at that. He doesn't actually tell him to improve, or anything like that, he just states to reps what's wrong with him, (and at this point, that might not be a bad way to blend in on the reps lynch, because we were all pretty much telling him what was wrong with him)
On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote: We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.
It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows?
On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote: Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step.
Look at that post:
On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote: I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy?
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
Rereading this, I agree with the justification, and I agree that infii looks scummy, but these are points that could be brought up as scum by town, or by town against town, or by town against scum. It's just a rehash of other things about him that have been thrown around.that said, the justification is sound.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary.
Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M.
Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness.
On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Umasi: He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day.
You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.
Alakaslam: He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town.
Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!".
Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-
On August 02 2013 02:40 StiMaDDict wrote: @Gotard: you stated that your vote on infi was a pressure vote. Is your vote staying on infi because you find him suspicious after his response/defense?
Yeah I'm staying with my vote.
I hate when someone make excuses like this:
On August 02 2013 00:24 infii wrote: Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own.
This is what scum want to do: Interpret post in a way that will make town scummy and purposely hide certain context of post and exaggerate stuff than might be scummy. Writing one-line reasoning helps to achieve that goal.
You need to share your thoughts you can't assume that someone else thinks in the same way or is clever enough to catch certain scummy behavior.
PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.
Why do you think lynching sc_a.M/Stimaddict?
I can't see good pro town reasoning behind his posts.
-In his 1st post he says that Umasi is his 1st scumread. -I pressure him -He quotes Umasi's posts that were made after his accusation. ?????
He still fails to deliver reasoning behind his very 1st post..
like, he sticks to his guns, but reading it I didn't get the feeling from his posts against infii that he actually thought infii was scum, just bad and nonsensical. He DOES seem to refer to reps as scum though, but sticks on infii. The rest of his filter (he doesn't post more till after lynch) is just null to me. rereading it, although I agree that infii was scummy day one, his soft incriminating finger of reps is suspicious, when he chooses to stick with infii.
My thoughts on him are pretty scummy, but not surefire scum. I'd rather pressure scam into doing things, but could be convinced either way. He's #2 for me to look at after scam. (in terms of lynching.)
I'm going to immediately go and look at zyrre and see what I think about him, because I haven't gotten a good picture of him either.
Well whaddayaknow. I am a good filter estimator.
This is the townie way to push a lynch. My vote stays.
On August 05 2013 04:50 Umasi wrote: Slow down there deus, it's not set in stone gotard would flip scum. Zyrre holding out like a retard is similar to what I did, except I had to afk immediately afterward. Admittedly, this time during lynch period is really shaking my views of him, and if gotard flips scum I'll reconsider my read on Zyrre.
Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit.
No don't worry Umasi. Gotard vote swapped himself.
^^ see am I only contradictory person in thread? No.
On August 08 2013 12:11 Umasi wrote: Also, what makes deus a better lynch than you? That's what you have to convince me. And I'm not leaning too far scum on you :<
I want a better reason than "well I am scummy but YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME" because deus could just go say something identical and we'd be back at square one.
At this point it doesn't seem like he can answer that. The fact of the matter is, I am not a better lynch than then slam.
Like, what do these posts say exactly? Nothing! Pointless spam! here here
He has been posting shit like this all game. Somewhere in his 18 page filter of spam might be some indication that he is that last scum, and I aim to prove that. Want to know what is going through my mind right now? Alakaslam or Umasi, which one is it? Somewhere in those filters is the answer, and Ill be damned if I don't find out.
Like I pointed out earlier, calls answering his questions spam
On August 09 2013 13:39 Umasi wrote: and slam, why don't you post if I die reads? I still never figured that out, and it still gives me pause =/
Oh yeah I never answered this
Where did the idea come from I thought I was gonna die all the time (I am aware I did at times)? And usually while under that impression, I also was pretty confused- didn't know what to say, and didnt have the right lunch or didnt have time etc. I didn't realize, I never did that?
Anyway I sux at scum hunting, so I always feel kind of reserved.
My catalogued impulse thoughts stuff while waiting for someone to post next.
Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night
HolyFlare implicates him and dies
First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM!
His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote
Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man.
How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not?
On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote
Btw Umasi.
We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O
Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum...
This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM...
On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote: Good Quote Here He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him.
I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right?
But augh, this is so town!
On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.
Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right?
Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME.
On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing.
On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote: @infill I want to question you.
Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town? A:
Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that? A:
This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me.
Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions.
If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him.
I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.
Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY.
Over half of that post was taking about how we can move forward. As we get closer to lynching time we can learn something from peoples votes. That was the point I was making. OF COURSE it was written on the contingency that reps flips town. Did you want me to add a part about if reps flips scum? Okay here it is: If reps flips scum we can look at who was hesitant to vote against him (is that even a good read? scum might have just sacked him as a lost cause). I was trying to discuss what could happen in the near future, because lets be honest, however unlikely, reps can still flip town, right? I didn't think I needed to address what would happen if reps flipped scum, thought that was pretty obvious. Furthermore, a lot of my post was under the assumption that reps gets lynched, as in I am hoping reps get lynched because this is what we can learn from the lynching. How does that come across as unsure whether to proceed with lynching reps?
Umasi I asked you earlier why you thought I was scum, which is perfectly reasonable because I am one of the most pro town people here, and your answer was poor. I was simply addressing that. That's hardly inserting myself into the issue. Didn't I preface that paragraph with, "Umasi this is directed at you"? I am suspicious of you because you have this notion that I am scummy.
I am trying not to focus 100 percent of my attention on reps, because there is a lot that can be learned from other people in this game at the moment.
On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote: Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step.
Look at that post:
On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote: I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy?
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people?
I agree with Gotard on several points here. Pressuring someone is a great way to get information. Also, I think you have a good read on infii. Posting just to say he will not contribute that much day one because there is not enough information is total BS, seems pretty scummy. Also infii does come across as pretty neutral. I don't get why you would want to stay neutral if you're townie. It is almost like being a townie but trying to hide. Townies should be fearless. Going to keep an eye on infii.
Finally, some quick thoughts on reps. Sadly I think he is making a very poor case of why we should keep him around. Are we supposed to hope that he is going to get better as the game progresses? Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps.
OMGIS OMGIS OMGIS how did I not see this before.
Why is this sad if he is scum?!??!!!
If I sincerely thought reps was scum and was pushing him at the time I'd have said more like: "You guys stop being idiots we have scum being handed to us on a platter. Look at what he is doing, seriously. Lets see what we can gather from other folks, and i wrote that in case he will turn out town."
Or, a little softer:
"Look, I reps can't hide his own scum game being lynched will show that he should check for errors in his play, but seriously. We are playing to win, and reps has fortunately slipped around so much that he has basically made it indefensible for himself because he's scum."
But I remember the context, people were already set for lynching for info. It's just that this betrays him willing to continue despite practically (I think actually) knowing reps to be town... He did not switch to scam like I did, and Umasi why didn't you, but whatever post game chat unless it is relevant.
On August 09 2013 13:51 Umasi wrote: yeah, if he comes in and posts thoughts on filters, I'll be happy! And if not, well darn!
you've mentioned frequently that you thought you were going to die, and you haven't been posting them REGARDLESS (and I am a fan of them) but it's not the biggest deal.
I was probably saying thought I might.
What is wrong with my reasoning?
Point out flaws! Act like deus defense lawyer, then I can get to bottom easier. If you find zero flaws and deus comes back and finds a bunch, what does that imply so...
On August 09 2013 20:38 DeusXmachina wrote: I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis.
Make sure my filter AND the vote thread are read. Wasn't absent, and voted Gotard long before you.
Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night
HolyFlare implicates him and dies
First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM!
His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote
Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man.
How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not?
On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote
Btw Umasi.
We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O
Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum...
This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM...
On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote: Good Quote Here He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him.
I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right?
But augh, this is so town!
On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.
Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right?
Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME.
I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts. 1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi".no, when town my goal is TRUTH. That would not be a true accusation. You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right? question not answered but rather attacked. How townie.
2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game.
makes same point Umasi did later. We all have been asstalking.
3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!what mindset convinced you that I don't care who we lynch at MYLO?. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam? because I'm not scum. If I were what am I afraid of now? I just need to frame well, and am all knowing. Wait, that is the stance you have taken
4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense. WOULD PEOPLE GIVE ME A BREAK ABOUT NOT MAKING SENSE. I SERIOUSLY CAN'T BE THAT CONFUSING- I BET IT'S JUST HIP NOW, SLAM DON'T MAKE SENSE BRO JUST 'MIT IT. I mean wow, I'm basically postin the same way I talk and not many people have troue understanding that! I mean sometimes of course, but this is like all the time!
Svengali is a character in a book who hypnotizes an opera singer to make her able to sing but charges her extorbitantly and has her doing his services when not hypnotized. So people use Svengali to speak of the manipulator character. Ex: Karl Rove was literally called this with regard to George W. Bush.
Oh and point taken on sarcasm- in context that makes sense.
I am warning you folks deus looks all super town but he had time to plan this, I swore I be -not nk, but- Lynched before this situation. I thought folks would take nightcat seriously, I wasn't preparing for a situation like that. so I'm just spontaneous as ever.
Wish I could just show you my scum meta but it is offsite and others here use it (some of our coaches and vets) but if you are wondering why I sux at scum, it's because I can't talk as much so when I try anyway it isn't much and it is ALL fluff and misinformation that is pretty painfully obvious, such that I say "bus me"
On August 09 2013 17:26 DeusXmachina wrote: ....................................................................................Alakaslam...................................................................................
Over the next day and a half I plan to work on convincing the rest of you guys that Slam is scum. In order to do this I will elaborate on the points I discuss tonight as well as offer more examples of what I am talking about. This serves as a introduction to what we should all explore in the next couple days. Lets begin.
Allignment: Scum
Overview:
1. Weak contributor and does not offer new ideas 2. Blends in with town 3. Does not take strong stances and is indecisive 4. Voting patterns
These actions are all scummy. As you may have noticed I am arguing the opposite points as I brought up on Umasi. I aim to prove that Slam is the last scum. If you would like me to elaborate on any of these points or offer more examples let me know. For the record I read all of slam's filter.
1. Contributions? Hardly Slam has been playing a game of deception. It is almost astonishing to think about, but he IS the last Scum. Well why is it astonishing you ask? Simple. His massive amounts of posts have fooled everyone. He made it seem like he was contributing all the while in that 20 page filter of his was absolutely nothing of value. I implore you to look at how often he simply quotes something, offers nothing of value after the quote, and moves on. This is his first noteworthy post. Guys this is on filter page 13 and he started the game on 3. He went 10 fucking pages without contributing a damn. He slid through the ENTIRE reps lynch without offering anything. He frequently says things like "DEFEND YOURSELF". What does that offer? So often he quotes and says something stupid afterwards. What does THAT offer? Absolutely nothing. (Sidenote: there is so many examples of this stuff that I am not going to put them here. Please read his filter to see what I am talking about. Like I said I will happily generate specifics to make my point. This is just the beginning.) He votes Gotard but give almost no reason why. He does not make a strong stance against Gotard to explain his vote. Not only that but he is extremely indecisive over his Gotard vote (more on that later). Finally he does not contribute to the Zyrre discussion, and he does not contribute to the RDO discussion. In his 20 page filter he maybe has less 2 or 3 valuable posts.
2. Blends in with the town? How obvious is this now that we are all thinking about it. The only thing that sets Slam apart is his wacky posts. But slam has gone completely uncontested, unnoticed. He has masterfully faked contribution. He has overloaded us with posts. He has bandwagoned on all of his votes and decisions. All for what? To appear town. It is clear to me now that Slam has been merely blending in. I think the reason so many of us overlooked it was because of his wacky posts. Slam never stickes himself out there. Has he ever been the first to take a stance against someone? NO. Has he ever been the first one to contribute new ideas? NO. Has he ever stuck his neck out there, had some really controversial opinions? NO NO and NO. He has been blending in this entire game.
3. Indecisive must be his middle name Slam is very indecisive. IF you don't see this as a scummy thing go read part of the General Guide to Mafia. The best example of this is his vote against Gotard. He votes Gotard, unvotes, votes Umasi, unvotes, and finally votes Gotard again. Same thing with reps. Votes me, unvotes me, votes reps, unvotes reps, votes scam unvotes scam, votes reps. Look how indecisive this guy is being! It is absolutely ludacris. It goes to show that he is not taking strong stances against anyone. Slam has not taken a strong stance on anyone (p.s I know these transitions are painful, but who gives a fuck. I am not writing an essay here). Seriously! Go find me one example of a strong stance? He has none. He didn't have a good case against me (lol at the kenpachi rule), he didn't have a strong case against reps, he didn't have a strong case against Gotard, or Scam, or RDO, or Zyrre, or ... You get the point. NOBODY! He doesn't take a strong stance against ANYONE. More examples of this to come. A great example of his indecision is when he talks about reps in some of his posts.
4. Voting patters I have already talked about this prior to this paragraph but let me summarize why his voting patterns are weird. He switches his vote a lot. He is one of the last ones to vote reps. He tags along with almost all of his other votes. Votes Gotard again after unvoting him. Votes RDO and Zyrre after others voted against them. His voting patterns exemplify his indecision.
I think there is a lot more that can be said about Slam. HE IS THE FINAL SCUM. If you don't believe me now I will spend the next day and half trying to convince you. I only wish I would have realized this earlier. Like I said, I can give a lot of examples when we get deeper into this discussion.
Point two is so false it is amazing, I more publicly and less noticeably KEPT my vote off reps by principle- causing my voteswitch to exasperate him- thus Mexican lion king (I had no clue it was in Mexican Spanish or any language other than english until I had posted it XD)
If you two believe that I will be so blown away that GG scum thanks for the metacred.
Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder.
I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC.
Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too.
On August 10 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote: Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder.
I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC.
Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too.
What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it.
I apologize to him and reps. When stuff gets like this there really is nothing you can do short of focusing on mafia 100%, and even then it is questionable whether or not you will succeed, and I have work that I'm falling behind on. There is nothing to fight with because when I don't fight true but not scum tell points it is scummy. Nope, I can't do this. I am pathologically bad at lying, indeed I am like a kindly GLaDOS XD. "You are not even going the right way... Hello? Hello?"
So I won't lie for my own defense because that would cinch your case even faster than spouting truth has- just like I did to RDO.
Your early game is a big tell. That won't always fly... It is a really ballsy move, keep that in mind- I am not cataloging in my "scum playbook", because I am certain vets would see through it much sooner than I did due to the simple fact that towns biggest mistake this game was thinking you lynch for info.
I had a point about deus early game as well, that town's issue this game is that we decided we were going to repeat info lynch. Also deus has claimed to read my filter yet claims I have never pushed anything and that is bogus and he slipped that.
However Umasi buys it. I virtually cede. Scum victory.
Because I really don't need this while digging holes in the middle of the desert. If I was wron and deadline is tomorrow I will lift my vote from myself and try with all I am.
So stim, I couldn't premeditate anything. I just don't have the investment to do that unless I'm scum. So I'm not really good at this, but I need to help you (and maybe Umasi) narrow this down.
I am not scum. I have a very free flowing town style, and I am a person who is flawed and changeable; hence, I am not wholly consistent in everything I do, like all of us.
Deus has been claiming to be missing facts about my play but actually he is altering them. I don't really have a right to say whether or not that is scum agenda, or simple gut bias, but one or the other is happening.
You are confirmed town- that is all very well; but what do you think, if I went all deus on you do you think I could paint you scummy and convince Umasi of it (if he didnt know better)?
What would you do to defend yourself if I did? See because you haven't been very active in the thread, you know, totes proof you are trying to blend in. Also you haven't really aggressively pushed any lynches, have you? In fact, the one key difference between us is my jokes and vids.
And what lynches has Umasi pushed? Totes scum yo, by all your reasoning the only town in the thread is DeusXmachina!
On August 03 2013 09:45 Nightcat99 wrote: i like to metion zyree hasnot posted for almost 30 hours now, i know holy got a town read from him, but i actually never did. His post were all a bunch of town read and null, i am not seeing how he could be consider as town.
And yeah neuter did i
150/337 (that is rounding down to give him the benefit of the doubt)
Number of posts that contain a quote and nothing else: 3/337
Number of posts that contain one line of utter non-contribution (not including a quote if it is in the post): 90/337 (Again massive round down)
Number of posts containing pointless videos or pictures: 14/337
This may seem exaggerated but sadly it is not. The point is, slam has contributed very very little. He spent all this time giving us a delightful 337 posts, wonderful videos, quoting half of the thread, writing one line non-sense, but NOT contributing.
...
This was really pissing me off out in the desert. It's like only I can see it.
"This is a strong stance (who doesn't give a flying rats ass who is lynched)" "And this is not (doesn't want to lead a mislynch)"
Here. When has deus ever backed off? Who that was town this game ever went so damn tunnel much everyone as deus? This is a mix of two traits: pushing agenda and apathy toward who is lynched. Does this mean deus is 100% scum? No- we all would be.
Like I said before: we are three who stumble like drunks; only two are drunk. The sobers will decide this game; stim has to see which one of us is actually sober as well- that will be scum. Townies are in a state of confusion, while scum is leadin te party. Scum knows the outcome, remember?
On August 10 2013 04:55 Umasi wrote: =/ the stance you took on me wasn't strong when you backed off immediately when I posted my read of gotard, and before that all you really said was YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM
The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it.
StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers.
Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"?
No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch.
On August 03 2013 09:45 Nightcat99 wrote: i like to metion zyree hasnot posted for almost 30 hours now, i know holy got a town read from him, but i actually never did. His post were all a bunch of town read and null, i am not seeing how he could be consider as town.
And yeah neuter did i
150/337 (that is rounding down to give him the benefit of the doubt)
Number of posts that contain a quote and nothing else: 3/337
Number of posts that contain one line of utter non-contribution (not including a quote if it is in the post): 90/337 (Again massive round down)
Number of posts containing pointless videos or pictures: 14/337
This may seem exaggerated but sadly it is not. The point is, slam has contributed very very little. He spent all this time giving us a delightful 337 posts, wonderful videos, quoting half of the thread, writing one line non-sense, but NOT contributing.
...
This was really pissing me off out in the desert. It's like only I can see it.
Alright, what specifically about this is scummy reasoning?
I am trying to tell you you are falling for TUNNEL. The very thing he accuses me of he does himself. But somehow you two will find some way to look at life through red glasses and say "no, you are cherry picking he is just scumhunt ing"
I realized I was doing te same thing- I am simply thinking it is deus because he makes hypocritical posts like the "town mistake" I "cherry picked" where first he says I made a big fuss about your vote swap (to distract from Gotard) and then Ebwops it to little stance.
But NOOOO, aLaKaSPaM is too bamcis to make mistakes and now he is making mistakes so he must be doing it on freaking purpose because he is scum. The reasoning is the same, you suddenly think I'm scum for the very reasons you thought I was town earlier- IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LYNCH ME SOONER!! People kept telling me to improve- well yeah I add shots & giggles because that helps me (& maybe town too) loosen up, but really if you think I'm not already doing my best lynch me for being anti town, worse anti town than RDO!
"no one No one is blinder... Than he Who will not see...
Apeture Mafia: this is the reference post. I want you to read this, and Nightcat99's filter. I swear, decide if you like me now because I will not deal with this. If we let the game get this far I swear I will be fighting against myself to not just hand it to the scum. of course assuming I use this meta over there.
On August 10 2013 12:07 DeusXmachina wrote: How was it a bus? We came very close to a no lynch
Dude you guys are even more literalist than me irl. And I have AS. Seriously! I could call it a bus! I'm just pointing out it is not proof that you are town any more than my earlier vote is, or withdraw your case!
On August 10 2013 11:14 Umasi wrote: Deus hasn't backed off very frequently, but I actually read pure aggression like his as a town trait =/
And writing a cake on StiM if he wasn't mason would be super friggen easy, and nothing he said would really divert it. He's played a super apathetic game for a confirmed town and it really really annoys me.
On August 10 2013 04:55 Umasi wrote: =/ the stance you took on me wasn't strong when you backed off immediately when I posted my read of gotard, and before that all you really said was YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM
The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it.
StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers.
Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"?
No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch.
I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here, are you asking why you'd put yourself in a hole like that?
Pure aggression can be town. Does this mean te lack thereof MUST be scum? And is there no way a scum player can push mislynches and push an impending lynch when a good case has been made and no defense is thought o in the qt?
On August 10 2013 04:55 Umasi wrote: =/ the stance you took on me wasn't strong when you backed off immediately when I posted my read of gotard, and before that all you really said was YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM
The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it.
StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers.
Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"?
No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch.
What is this cop bs that you keep talking about. Show us where Umasi slipped it.
I was wrong anyway! But it influenced my actions and I quoted it before, I'll quote it again
On August 06 2013 08:17 Umasi wrote: stim, it's not what infii wants (although you can use that as reasoning) I want to hear YOUR thoughts haha Like, I'm kind of angry that you've been so not around, forty some hours of not posting. ~but me being angry at you is certainly nothing new :<
Holy balls looking for the "cop slip" ran across this, I totally missed this post at the time. if I was gone 40 hours in a row I didn't realize it, that must have been a time when work picked up- e.g. People hating mad at me in Washington or something.
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
On August 08 2013 07:10 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi whoever is left is pretty much totes town except deus & me
Deus is more town than me but you must hear me if mislynch gives game to scum
This is that situation where no-lynch is feasible, but I hope we don't do this. Nightcat is Vig, stim is mason, you are cop but that doesn't matter as much as I thought because I just realized because deus is probably gf- he will probably come back green to your check.
On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote: I will give some opinion.
Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO.
Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him.
Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange.
I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense.
I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on.
So true, but not anymore- dang it
Nightcat u should have pushed my lynch before xD
Um so this is nuts. I think Actually I don't know who will die tonight.
On August 08 2013 08:31 Umasi wrote: I'm not the cop. A: Why did you think I was and B: Why would you point it out to the thread?
A: will find in your filter and B: initially I didn't want to. But it doesn't matter anymore; we are all as good as vt. I wanted to clear up why it is between DeusXmachina and I, otherwise, you are a potential candidate as well.
The voice of Indio speaks from the past! What does he say? He calls to me!
"Shut up you moron!"
...oh
or are you talking about something different and I'm just hopelessly confused
Yes I was, I wasn't right was I? I thought we proved my thoughts to be a stretch, but I can't find it anywhere
On August 06 2013 05:29 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE RDO I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though.
On August 06 2013 05:43 Umasi wrote: nightcat is just confirmed not scum, could still be sk. Won't pursue that avenue of logic atm :< it's not relevant
This.
"I SAID SHADDAP"
Ok Ok
I hush now indio
See, this- but remember it was faulty, I didn't notice nightcats Vigi I just saw he was basically confirmed town
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
What was my alignment?
How about the other guy?
How does this relate to this game?
Hopefully you guys can see that this post is pointless. Slam does this a lot. Who is he making a case against again? Oh right me! Why is he quoting Umasi and talking about him? It is completely irrelevant if you are trying to build a case against me. Slam does this sort of thing to appear like he contributing. He is trying to appear pro town. Pointless quote and useless followup. He still has not made a strong case against me. Ill say it again, he has been cherry picking town mistakes because he can't build a solid case.
You don't want this answered because you play just like Tang.
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
What was my alignment?
How about the other guy?
How does this relate to this game?
Is there a reason you quoted me at all? You quoted me then addressed none of it =/
I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely.
I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds.
On August 10 2013 13:06 Umasi wrote: yeah, just making sure I didn't miss anything.
On August 10 2013 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
What was my alignment?
How about the other guy?
How does this relate to this game?
Is there a reason you quoted me at all? You quoted me then addressed none of it =/
I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely.
I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds.
But there is this
Deus plays just like my old Godfather.
You have nothing to back up shit like this. You never give us examples or solid analysis. Slam, please show us your best contribution in the first 10 pages of your filter and tell us why it is pro town.
Nope, it doesn't exist congrats. Our definitions of pro-town are different. Indeed mine is changing.
My whole attempts at clearing myself are town.
I can't just freaking pull stuff out of my ass. I painted myself into a corner.
I'm only still playing because it would be jackass of me to give up.
On August 10 2013 13:23 Umasi wrote: Slam, you just said it's a false point of view, then said you can't call me a liar. You called me a liar and then proceeded to not =/ at this point, I don't really understand what you're playing at.
UMASI FUK READ MAN. WHEN THE HELL DID I CALL YOU A LIAR, BEEN SAYING DEUS WAS LYING
On August 10 2013 13:06 Umasi wrote: yeah, just making sure I didn't miss anything.
On August 10 2013 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
What was my alignment?
How about the other guy?
How does this relate to this game?
Is there a reason you quoted me at all? You quoted me then addressed none of it =/
I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely.
I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds.
On August 10 2013 13:06 Umasi wrote: yeah, just making sure I didn't miss anything.
On August 10 2013 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 09 2013 05:22 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE ALAKASLAM I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense.
The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part.
Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in.
Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case.
All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing.
Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey)
I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it.
I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him.
When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually.
What was my alignment?
How about the other guy?
How does this relate to this game?
Is there a reason you quoted me at all? You quoted me then addressed none of it =/
I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely.
I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds.
But there is this
Deus plays just like my old Godfather.
You have nothing to back up shit like this. You never give us examples or solid analysis. Slam, please show us your best contribution in the first 10 pages of your filter and tell us why it is pro town.
Nope, it doesn't exist congrats. Our definitions of pro-town are different. Indeed mine is changing.
My whole attempts at clearing myself are town.
I can't just freaking pull stuff out of my ass. I painted myself into a corner.
I'm only still playing because it would be jackass of me to give up.
Show us what you think is your best contribution then and tell us why it is pro town/ a noteworthy contribution.
Look. Have you been playing a good game or haven't you? You have said you weren't. I never said I was.
Now I think you would say you have been playing a good game.
I AM WELL AWARE I HAVEN'T DONE WHAT YOU ALL CALL CONTRIBUTING. However, I am technically contributing right now!
I could have given up like I basically did at noon. But... I am contributing as I know how.
On August 10 2013 13:39 Umasi wrote: slam, I responded to your second line. You can't call me a liar, but you immediately called my post a false viewpoint. Isn't that fucking accusing me of lying? I have no idea who you're trying to convince of what anymore.
I called you stubborn, not a liar.
"I can't call you a liar"
Because you are speaking truth!
"But nothing short of convincing you that you are a liar will get you to change your mind (paraphrase)", therefore I give up trying to defend myself on your guys ground. I need to dismiss that rather.
I need to point out that this isn't enough to paint me scum.
Well I had to go. I also saw Infii was willing and when he never moved I had no one to work in tandem with, seeing you vote the guy I asked to help me was probably pretty discouraging too, but I don't remember.
I have tried and I need to sleep again. I can't keep staying up late until I catch up on work.
Apeture (and if I replace, NMM next & TL Noir) will be the last few games before I ask for a 2 week temp ban. I am staying up really late and I could literally die, drivin groggy is almost as bad as DUI.
I really have tried. If Umasi flips scum I will be so mind blown I will be in a phase all through Apeture XD
On August 11 2013 05:08 Blazinghand wrote: Well played, Umasi. Good job, gotard. I'll seek the standard inactivity ban for scam.
nightcat, your shot was fine. not legendary, but reasonable-- he'd have been lynched otherwise without much discussion Stimaddict, I feel like as a blue you had more of a responsability to lead town, to use your power, to carry on infi's legacy.
infii town mvp
/nominates holyflare
Excuse me or not voting, I thought I had voted deus and went to work.
Mind=blown, and I agree that INDIO JONES is town MVP with HolyFlare close second.
On August 11 2013 05:28 DeusXmachina wrote: Sorry town. I fucked up. I helped scum more than I helped town. I have failed. And I am sad .
How many times did I say you were playing well at first?
You played so well I thought you knew everything XD
On August 11 2013 05:23 Blazinghand wrote: I mean we can't all be perfect. You didn't play terribly, stim, but ultimately Umasi chose to shoot both infii and nightcat99 over you because he perceived them both as greater threats.
as an additional note, any posts made after the "end game" post you can edit, so instead of posting 3 times in a row you should just edit the post to add additional thoughts.
On August 11 2013 05:28 DeusXmachina wrote: Sorry town. I fucked up. I helped scum more than I helped town. I have failed. And I am sad .
No you played good considering it is your first game. Umasi played this well, Alakaslam should have figured out that last scum was a comparable vet and played before. Stim to a lesser degree.
On August 11 2013 05:47 Umasi wrote: yeah slam had just posted something about like, being mind blown if I flipped town and you were immediately like /popcorn and I'm liek :<<<<<<
Actually I said if you flipped scum, or I had a brain fart XD
On August 11 2013 05:45 Onegu wrote: Yeah I got called a asshole from blazinghand, first I didnt mean anything by it, I am not awake normally for deadlines, I didnt do it in response to anypost and wasnt trying to ruin the game. I figured it is mylo and the game was interesting at that point so I
I wasnt even reading that much of the thread as I was busy im my game.
Imma bout ready to deserve title for not voting, wanting to cede, etc the jackass in me really came out...
On August 11 2013 05:58 Umasi wrote: lol, that's pretty funny. Blazinghand coolest beyond cool; ice cold!
Why did everyone think people were all scummy this game? (was reading through obs thread, and what stim said near the end)
I thought that deus/slam were absolutely token town, RDO was until he gave up, and reps was pretty obviously not the correct lynch (although that may just be me knowing the result beforehand)
How correct was town to follow through with the reps lynch day one?
On August 11 2013 05:58 StiMaDDict wrote: Next time, I should look more into who scum decides to kill as well as who people are voting. I think if I looked more into Holyflare and Infi posts before they died, I might have made a better decision. But again, Alakaslam was afk and I wouldn't have been able to convince Deus to vote Umasi.
Also, it seems as in all four games that I played, I may suck at scumhunting (pretty awful I'll admit), but I'm pretty much confirmed town (yeah, in this game I was mason but still).
the biggest scumtell was everyone who called me usami and continued calling me usami died.
It was dumb, but maybe better than no lynch. Best thing? Switching to my wagon (which is so scummy) but then I would have died before Lylo due to that xD
On August 11 2013 10:51 infii wrote: Damn you guys, so I really was spot on with my first prediction... I had really a lot of fun playing this game, I think I'll stick with it and try out another newbie game later on.
Question for scum: Did holyflare die because of his early nightpost?
edit: also: why are some people calling me infLi?
Their computer autocorrects may like it better, oh ye whom I must fight my phone to not call by the name of a nearby town I write in texts a lot. Lets see how many tries before I get it