Newbie Mini Mafia XLV

On July 22 2013 15:43 Onegu wrote:
/obs past my newbie limit

If SK was like this last game thing would have been alot more interesting

On July 22 2013 16:47 Onegu wrote:
This is your last newbie game right alakaslam?

On July 22 2013 16:55 LoneMeow wrote:




That reads as "you can sign up if you have 3 games or less", ie. your fourth is the last newbie game you can join.

On July 22 2013 17:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't really get it, but you can normally sign up for a newbie as your fourth game no problem.

Here on TL Mafia, we attempt to constantly run Newbie Games. These games may only have players who have played in three games or less on TL Mafia. This is designed to help ease players into our forum and get the feel of games before jumping in with the advanced and long-time players.

On July 22 2013 17:31 Onegu wrote:
Yeah it says the same thing if you have played 3 games already you can still join.

On July 22 2013 17:35 Umasi wrote:
Dude,
let's do it
/hydra with alakaslam if it's allowed

On July 22 2013 23:57 Nightcat99 wrote:


1. bamcis

A marine corps term in origin, usually used as a celibratory phrase when one accomplishes a large task.

also a marine corps acronym. for begin the planning, arrage for recon, make recon, complete the plan, issue the order and supervise.

i always just replace it with some random screaming in happy voice in my head. i think its slam's way of saying crazy.

On July 22 2013 23:45 Nightcat99 wrote:


This is how i imagine they look.

Umasi on the left and alakaslam on the right

On July 23 2013 09:35 hzflank wrote:
/in

On July 23 2013 12:17 StiMaDDict wrote:
Debating whether I should play or not..

On July 23 2013 12:25 hzflank wrote:
What I would say Stim: Mafia is a game about accusing people and being accused. Try not to take it too personally. It gets heated during the game, but then when the game ends there are no hard feelings.

On July 23 2013 12:53 Onegu wrote:
Sad 13k post.

On July 23 2013 13:11 hzflank wrote:
BH, you know better than me but it looks like that SK might be a little too strong.

If there are multiple mafia (or masons) left then they might be able to work out who the SK is. Otherwise perhaps a cop check can. Apart from that it is almost random as to whether or not the SK survives. For example, if you have 5 town and the SK left, the town cannot use associations to Mafia to work out who the SK is, so if the SK has played well you town might as well just pick at random.

On July 23 2013 13:29 Onegu wrote:
Says I want to play this game

On July 23 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:


<3

On July 24 2013 00:28 sc_a.M wrote:
can I participate?

On July 23 2013 14:40 LoneMeow wrote:


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On July 23 2013 14:11 Blazinghand wrote:
clearly the setup is gonna be mass vigi vs 3-roleblocker scumteam

On July 24 2013 07:54 Xzavier wrote:
/in i suppose if needed.

if not then /obs

On July 24 2013 07:35 Fojod wrote:
The Great Fojod, in all of his ineffable wisdom, can only advise his followers against the choosing of legislative figures based on username alone.

On July 24 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:
I, personally, propose slam as our mayor, because he's slam

On July 24 2013 10:32 StiMaDDict wrote:
Vote Alakaslam for the town mayor!

On July 24 2013 11:46 Nightcat99 wrote:
i agree with voting mayor, will vote as soon as the voting thread comes up.

## Vote Alakaslam

On July 24 2013 22:34 Fojod wrote:
The Great Fojod pities you, Alakaslam. For Fojod can never lose. Fojod is here at the beginning, and Fojod will be here at the end. There is no stop to the reign of Fojod.

I have spoken.
I am Fojod.

On July 25 2013 02:06 Xzavier wrote:
Alakazam umasi.

Hyrda is basically two people sharing an acc right?

That filter would be half the thread :p

On July 25 2013 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
getting carried a bunch of times does not a perfect scum record make hue

On July 25 2013 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
nice try i got photographic evidence proofing who is carry

On July 25 2013 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Dangit, was about to lay claim to the same as Geript

I got lynched nigh immediately though, so would be making your point

On July 25 2013 15:18 Umasi wrote:
I think I prefer this as a platformer, all things considered

On July 27 2013 03:46 Blazinghand wrote:
oh shoot how long is he banned for

also Malongo you're like 100% not a newbie you've played a million games here, just not in the last few years. if you want to play you have to prove to me you're bad

On July 27 2013 11:49 DeusXmachina wrote:
/in

On July 28 2013 10:56 Blazinghand wrote:


You've played in 3 games of mafia before, which means you no longer qualify for newbie games, right?

On July 28 2013 14:39 geript wrote:
BH. The rules are 3 or fewer. 4 games = no longer a newbie. 3 games played = still a newbie

On July 28 2013 15:51 Ange777 wrote:

How many games have you played?

I usually don't recommend anyone especially new players to play two games at once. Please remember that people will judge you based on possible different posting styles and frequency in the games and it will consume a huge amount of time.

On July 29 2013 09:20 StiMaDDict wrote:
Is claiming ever a good idea -.-

On July 29 2013 12:05 Onegu wrote:


Thanks

On July 30 2013 10:01 Xzavier wrote:
GL HF alll, and i want an entertaining show, make it close guys.

On July 30 2013 10:39 iamperfection wrote:

fuck this shit

Mercy is for the weak. Devour your enemies. Winning is not enough embarrass your opponents.

On July 31 2013 10:07 reps)squishy wrote:
I totally took this as a BroodWar Terran QQ.

On topic: I am super new to mafia (first ever game) and I think coming up with something to say is super hard. I hope this is just a beginning thing. Trying not to be a hated lurker is kind-of hard.

+I almost edited one of my posts good thing I read the rules xD.

On July 31 2013 11:33 StiMaDDict wrote:
Alakslam, where you at?

Umasi, you still online?

On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote:
Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else.

On July 31 2013 14:56 reps)squishy wrote:


Welp I know who I am going after...

On July 31 2013 15:11 Umasi wrote:
Yeah, funnily enough, it has actually come down to a question of is reps playing the noob card super hard, or is he legitimately THAT confused about things

On July 31 2013 15:27 Umasi wrote:
Alakaslam I have no idea what you're talking about.

On July 31 2013 15:33 Umasi wrote:
k you can go to sleep, I went and reread it and kind of understand what you're saying.
For those who don't know, this is a PSA about alakaslam
he's totally
friggen
insane
AWESOME
but crazy

On July 31 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote:

you were referring to deus, right?

On July 31 2013 15:41 Umasi wrote:
oh dur I'm stupid
haha
of course
t.t
I actually feel slightly embarassed because of that.

On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote:


I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be

On July 31 2013 15:59 Umasi wrote:
REPS DON'T LURK FOR NO REASON DAMMIT

On July 31 2013 16:03 reps)squishy wrote:

I didn't I checked up on the thread after a league game and saw this. I thought lurking was when you didn't post.

On July 31 2013 16:11 reps)squishy wrote:

Happy?

On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.

Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?

DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.

Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.

reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.

Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.

StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.

Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.

Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.

On July 31 2013 19:51 Holyflare wrote:



I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day.
It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one.

Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss;




Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis;

1. Who do you think is mafia?
2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration?

I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses.

On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:

Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?

On August 01 2013 01:36 Zyrre wrote:
Don't think it is as categorical as you make it seem Alakaslam. You CAN gain vital info when lynching a town. He could have made claims having special roles etc. This early in the game though it's most likely useless to barely useful.

On August 01 2013 03:11 Gotard wrote:


"There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town"
There is no way you can agree with that sentence.

On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote:
Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy.


Here is his defense.

Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already.

On August 01 2013 06:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Infii is red if squishy is red.

On August 01 2013 06:52 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

Why? Doesn't it make sense to try to get a solid read first? Otherwise odds are we are just killing off our own?

On August 01 2013 07:02 DeusXmachina wrote:
I think Reps is scum Alakaslam. He is definitely the closest thing to scum we have seen so far. But lets say we lynch him and he turns out to be townie. Then we just lynched a bad townie. It would not be a loss.

On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote:
I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out.

On August 01 2013 07:46 Gotard wrote:


"My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M"

Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy.

No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree.

If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner.

On August 01 2013 07:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
My thoughts on infii:

He seems to be pretty passive, both in the content of his posts and the amount of posts. He did state that he can't post as much as he likes but that might be a ruse. Infii does not seem to care that much about day 1. He might feel like you can't accomplish much.



This seems like a shady reason for not helping. You can at least do your best to give us analysis. Even if your wrong it still helps us out in some way. You should not be afraid of being wrong.

It is hard for me to give a definitive answer right now, but I think we should all keep an eye on him. Hopefully the pressure will reveal something.

Furthermore, I want to point out that the process leading up to a lynch offers a lot more valuable information than the lynch itself. It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. My understanding is that no-lynches are more valuable when the game is almost over.

On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis.

On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote:
Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps:
I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought.

On August 01 2013 10:44 Umasi wrote:
But slam what if you're saying this preemptively to reduce the chances that people will actually use it as evidence against you!
wham bam slam you're scum brooooo

(this is a joke for all who are curious btw)

On August 01 2013 12:14 Nightcat99 wrote:
I guess every one is going to sleep, so i will leave this for every one to think about. Since rep's death is pretty secure.

Stim has not elaborate.

Infill needs to defend himself.

I am not happy with Gotard's reason to vote infill.

sc_a.M is lurking hard.

On August 01 2013 13:00 reps)squishy wrote:
I am not lying but when you guys lynch me it's going to be green and be Vanilla Town. I got accused because Deus thinks me being a newbie is a scum cover up. Shit snowballed and I am going to be hanging from a rope in a few hours. It's your last chance to change your votes. Alakaslam lynching me is not following the Kenpachi rule that he so abides by I am VT. I really have super huge suspicions with Usami, Alakaslam and, Deus. First off Deus throws the index finger at me and votes me. Then Usami and Alakaslam vote against Deus then unvote at near the same time and then vote for me near the same time. Why are they Alakaslam and Deus playing so much alike really ringing a bell here. You can say that I have not contributed and that is the reason you are going to lynch me. If you are going to lynch someone that has not post. It really feels like all against 1 right now.

On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote:
@infill I want to question you.

Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town?
A:

Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that?
A:

On August 01 2013 13:13 reps)squishy wrote:


I continued to read looked like people want to see how I defended my self. Once I did they started complaining that I defended my self.

On August 01 2013 13:38 reps)squishy wrote:
Thanks a ton I forgot about the coaches.

On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:
Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing.



This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me.

Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions.

If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him.

I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.

On August 01 2013 18:18 Holyflare wrote:




I don't know why people are ignoring how many times I've given reps the chance to redeem himself and he replies with one accusation on infii that people are already talking about or some random. I even tell him how to go about the analysis, but no he doesn't do it. Don't be stupid town and just lynch him off.

On August 01 2013 22:36 Nightcat99 wrote:
Thank you for the reply gotard, i am currently satisfy on your reasoning for the vote, i still dont think its strong enough but its fine for now.

I think we can drop the rep discussion , hes either a scum or the VT he claims , either way i wont feel bad lynching him. There is absolutely no reason to claim VT(looking at you slam)

Please explain why you decide to claim VT Slam.

Zyrre has been out for a while now, can i get your new input on infill and deux.

sc_a.M looks like hes going to get the Blazing hammer.

RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.

On August 02 2013 00:44 Holyflare wrote:
I'm out at the moment guys and can't formulate posts on my phone that well but the fact that infii is not voting reps unless he needs to despite the rest of the townbandwagoning him is suspicious, if reps does flip mafia look to infii as a possible. cohort. reps reasons for infii were weak and he could have thought he was saving a fellow as he was going down anyway, his accusations also picked up after he was told to get coaching... A mafia coach may have told him to press infii harder to save him

On August 02 2013 01:19 reps)squishy wrote:
Ok I accept being lynched. You are going to lynch a VT. But keep the Dice rolling Deus pointed a finger out on me before I said any at all. I got choked up shit snowballed I am going to be lynched. Deus may go ahead and do the same shit again people love to follow him. His words are moving enough to change the vote from him to me. Hitlers one of the greatest speakers of all time but he uses his words for bad purposes. In Deus's case he thinks he wins if he kills Mafia or a bad townie. I want to make these last hours a learning experience why are you so willing to ban a newbie that claimed VT?

On August 02 2013 08:04 Umasi wrote:
What were you so wrong about?

On August 02 2013 08:19 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him.

With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified.

I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered

Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it

On July 31 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote:
I can appreciate your enthusiasm Umasi, as well as your insight on some of the characters of this town, or should I say potential problems. I hate bugs in code too. Especially the small, easy to overlook ones like a misplaced semicolon. Who else will chime in? Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration to the parties responsible? Also, Alakaslam says he is not a problem. Can he be trusted?

On July 31 2013 11:43 StiMaDDict wrote:

Logic flaw. Also why are you defending Reps?

On July 31 2013 12:15 StiMaDDict wrote:

It seems as if you know Reps' alliance, hmm.. Also if you read Deus' accusation, he did differentiate Reps' pre-game post and in-game post.

On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote:
Hey guys!

In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine!

On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game

On August 01 2013 09:44 Nightcat99 wrote:


RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M also do not want to lynch someone day one, what is the reason that you single infil out?

I would also like to talk about lynch every day, the reason we lynch every day is because this is the only method we have to force everyone to take a stand, and by taking this stand and backing them up with your words is the only way we can get reads to find the scum.

If we dont lynch anyone day one , then some one is going to die night one and the only information we will get, is well scum kills people.

I dont think rep is a scum because i know that scum has a private forum with scum friends and a scum coach... if he is scum, someone would have stopped him by now.....

However, i am watching infil RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M, i feel that atleast one of them or even two of them can be scummy, there is no reason for the scum team to agree to all voice their opinion on a no lynch but they would definitely jump onto that opportunity.

On August 02 2013 08:53 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn

On August 01 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Humph. Well if reps flips red I will be cool. If he flips green, know this: I have stated earlier that my own train of thought looked just like reps if not worse first game. It was because I 100% wanted to survive, rather than hunt scum- because I was tracker, and felt that tracking night actions would make me better prepared to successfully scumhunt.

See this; it hasn't happened yet, but I already feel that if reps flips green holy flare and deus x machina look scummier. Why?

Simple. Reps has given inclination toward being an ideal scum mislynch target.

That being said he hasn't helped things one bit. But I still fosftp for future reference, and yet here is my vote as I agree, we need to lynch.

I am fully aware that I will look scummy right with them if he flips town, because I'll look all knowing and distancing myself from mislynch. I am aware of this fact and still post it. So shouldn't affect your votes!

votes reps

On August 02 2013 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
Does 3/3 problems mean 3 mafia or any assortment ie 2 mafia and 1 neutral?

Mega analysis post coming up by the way, I shall also try and vindicate myself within it for your peace of mind slam.

On August 01 2013 10:54 Umasi wrote:
Rdaneel, if he flips scum none of this matters
but if reps flips town, and we're all just like "well they went balls out to get him lynched so they can't be scum" and they're ACTUALLY SCUM, what did they lose?
You don't get towncred for pushing a mislynch on a townie.
Likewise though, they aren't condemned because of it. You need more than a single key point to say "this guy IS scum because of THIS action" or "this guy IS town because of THIS action". Look at their motivations for doing something, that's equally important as what actually occurs.

On August 02 2013 00:24 infii wrote:


Because he could possibly improve in usefulness with more time and less preasure. And if he doesn't we can still lynch him the next day.
OTOH there is not much information and thought process from the other two. So I'd rather choose the predictable solution than the unknown.



Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own.
But I'll do it this time just for you:

Here are 3 quick posts from Umasi in which he also votes reps.



So in his second post he states that reps is counterproductive but others should vote him for the reason that he is scum.
And already in the next post he repeats that reps is counterproductive IN ALL CAPS, which is an easy way to increase preasure on someone.
He explains there are LOTS of good reasons to vote him, but interestingly only points out his counterproductiveness.
Then there are serveral more accusations "you have preformed jack", "You are hurting town", "Scum? Sure!, Troll? guess so!". Nothing wrong with that its just He writes it in such a lurid way that I tend to think he is trying to set others up on reps.

So if we presume that Umasi wants others to jump on the bandwagon and lynch reps, that would be a clear sign for mafia. To continue the thought process, reps did get lynched and he flips town, that would further increase the possibility of Umasi being scum.
Any more questions?

PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.

On August 02 2013 09:03 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious.

Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier.

Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.

On August 02 2013 09:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!! Does he look scum? Yeah, there's definite indications. But most of those were about not wanting to randomly start lynching people day one, which may just be a misunderstanding of his and not due to any scumminess.

On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.

On August 02 2013 09:11 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Who is indio jones?

You make a good point about not really needing to read the thread though. Interesting

On August 02 2013 09:12 Umasi wrote:
I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why.
and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim.
Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel?

Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.)
He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<)

On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote:
No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever.

##vote no-lynch

On August 02 2013 03:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
To be honest, I would be surprised if rep flips red.

As for Alakslam/Umasi, I have a gut feeling that one of them is a scum and it is screw us at the end.
Deus' early aggression and "sticking to his gun" seems pretty town to me.
As for sc_a.M, I would have much liked to see him modkilled.
I don't know who you are..


When I looked at RDaneelOlivaw's filter, he didn't do shit. I will elaborate on further request. (I'm lazy and tired)

On August 02 2013 09:21 StiMaDDict wrote:
@RDO: Two times I said I will elaborate is first on infi, which I stated that I dropped my suspicion on him completely, and on my case on you upon request, which I never did get.

On August 02 2013 03:22 reps)squishy wrote:
I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. I am trying my best to get information out of people to help town win. I know I unvoted and voted other people but I do that to try to get people to talk. RDaneelOlivaw is busy or a lurker so he was my first vote. Usami defended me which I thought I could do my self so I thought he was defending me as a scum cover up changed my mind and went with infii because he seems pretty shady does no come up with answers but excuses.

On August 02 2013 04:06 Zyrre wrote:
Umasi, its an hour left and you simultaneously unvote the 7th vote and say you dont want a no lynch?
Its pretty much guaranteed to be that unless we go with reps.

I dont have a big scum read on him anymore so if thats what you want thats fine, but you cant really say those two things at once.

Newest scum read definately goes to Alakaslam though. Switching to someone that could have been modkilled with no explanation.

On August 02 2013 09:26 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

:O such high praise :p

On August 02 2013 09:24 StiMaDDict wrote:
What up, Alakaslam?
I am at your service ^^

On August 02 2013 04:44 StiMaDDict wrote:
Bored. Waiting..

Alakaslam, does Templar drop work in SCII?

On August 02 2013 04:59 StiMaDDict wrote:
YOU VOTED ALAKASLAM?!

On August 02 2013 09:39 Umasi wrote:
dammit slam that's so irrelevant and funny.
you can't just go tell people memes/gifs are bad and then post something like that, slam. it's not okay!

On August 02 2013 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
I'd appreciate if you cut the pointless fluff posts please, I'm trying to formulate my post and updating it with new information from these night posts as I go along and you are just adding more confusion right now.

On August 02 2013 10:35 Holyflare wrote:
Well crap....

I am going to assume for balance reasons that there is a serial killer. That's 2KP.... with at least 4 total scum players that's 7 townies left. There could however be more than 4 scum...

On August 02 2013 10:39 Nightcat99 wrote:
The thing is i through he was town too but no one can be sure, and there is no way to ensure a lynch on any one else. I know i might be stubborn but i just cant agree with a peaceful no lynch.

I will be honest through, i dont think Sc_am is scum at all. First of all, hes obviously lurking and not busy. In that case, hes scum team would pressure him to play and give advice. I think you are much likely to do something, if you are 2 other scum and a coach on another forum pressuring you. And his lack of motivation is a tell of a horrible town.

i need to form a opinion on scums through, i will go dive filter for a bit.

On August 02 2013 10:40 Nightcat99 wrote:
Btw any suggestion whos filter you want me to dive first and give opinion on?

On August 02 2013 11:05 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously.

I'm concerned a little about Stim still. I haven't seen an in-depth post from him, he's mostly just one liners, and nobody has called him out on it at all. I understand why you've looked at some of my posts, since most of them were pretty reactionary, but why has he gotten so little attention?

On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote:
Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town.
As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post.
But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town.
Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.

On August 02 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
I want you to read up on Nightcat, it would help make my job easier and I see you haven't really commented on him much.

On August 02 2013 11:21 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
I found his filter to be scummy because of the how he kept talking about all the guides he had been studying. I honestly overestimated him as a player. As you all were quick to point out, he was either bad town or mafia, and his he claimed to be so well read on the game I assumed he was a mafia member who had not quite learned how to play his hand with subtlety. To be fair, I think I was probably a little hard on him, he did get thrown into a rough situation. My estimation of Deus was based off of the first couple of pages I read, where he was being aggressive against reps with what I saw as little reason, which is why I initally questioned his motives. Unwarranted aggression so early seems a bit scummy to me. As I dug in deeper to reps posts though I began to suspect him myself, for the above mentioned reasons, which is why I withdrew my statement against Deus and shifted my attention towards reps.

On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote:
I will give some opinion.

Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO.

Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him.

Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange.

I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense.

I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on.

On August 02 2013 04:18 Nightcat99 wrote:
If we get a no Lynch because you move your vote on the last minute, you and rep is both going to be voted as scum team.

On August 02 2013 11:29 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Thought process through the posts:


As I mentioned, found Deus suspicious---obviously two of you had as well, and I wondered why you had withdrawn since I couldn't see a reason immediately.

Also, again with the suspicison of him trying to nail reps



Here is where I filtered and saw what reps had posted..basically about how much he had read and then all the sketchy signs he was giving off initially.
See here:



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=262&topic_id=422313

All trying to play up his newbiness despite his claims that he's read through all these threads. Just didn't add up to me, which is why I switched to him

On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote:
If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.

But this is too late, there is no switching at this point.

On August 01 2013 22:36 Nightcat99 wrote:

RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.

On August 02 2013 05:19 Nightcat99 wrote:
Ok now that we have reach night 1, i would like to stay that i want every one to make a post before then ends about who we shall pressure if in the event they die.

List out names that you feel scummy and people that you trust atm, an hour or so before the dead line so scum cant change their target.

And Uamsi , you need to explain yourself.

On August 02 2013 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
I also want you to check gotard after cat slam

On August 02 2013 11:40 Holyflare wrote:



My giant post has a list of everyone, if I leave out people then aren't the town reads obvious from that anyway? Do you want me to cut out chunks of it or just leave it as it is for more information?

On August 02 2013 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
and fuck... I hope to god I survive so I didn't waste like 4 hours of my time

On August 02 2013 12:11 Holyflare wrote:
Slam are you still here?

On August 02 2013 12:21 Holyflare wrote:
I'm going to tell you a possible scenario and I want to see what you think about it.

Umasi, gotard and nightcat99 as mafia and sc_am as a neutral (don't know about role he may just be survivor or sk)

On August 02 2013 12:22 Holyflare wrote:


Not so much to be honest, that's why I'm asking about the umasi gotard nightcat link, specifically umasi and gotard on infii is what sparks my interest

On August 02 2013 12:24 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

I don't really have a ton more to say other than to direct you towards my posts answering Slam a page ago and my preliminary investigation of gotard. As I state there, I think he is someone who hasn't gotten enough discussion for the way he pressured infinii so early and then kind of fell off as a prescence once it failed to stick.


I agree with umasi though gotard did have some good points, even if he went about it badly. I'd really like to know why stim and slam are so convinced infinii is town. If there is a good reason for it I think that further cements gotard as a suspect.

Really I think thats one of the key pieces we need to begin unraveling...given the neutral posting of infinii and the strange aggression of gotard one of them is almost certain to be scummy...I'm inclined to gotard, but either way theret is just a scummy taint to their exchange imo.

Sorry, this is kind of rambling.

Summary, since it kind of rambled:
Gotard or infinii is scummy
I think its gotard, as I elaborated on above and in previous post
We need to hear more about why slam and stim trust infinii
We then need to discuss and act on one of them. In my opinion it's one of our most solid reads that 1 of those 2 is scummy, we just need to determine which

On August 02 2013 12:27 Holyflare wrote:



reading this is what just added to the theory I asked you about, if you read it in the sense that those 2 are in fact mafia then the link just seems all too obvious

On August 02 2013 12:30 Holyflare wrote:


1 page ago

On August 02 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
slam what are you even communicating? Right when I think I can understand what you're trying to communicate normally, you post that video t.t

On August 02 2013 12:43 Umasi wrote:
(thanks for clarifying slam. I still don't get the videos.)

On August 02 2013 09:09 Alakaslam wrote:

Lots of scum don't read the thread. They rely on the qt and their teammates who post a gist in there.

Someone states "hey town is discussing no lynch as a possibility XD this looks good, maybe we can play this" and he gets the wrong idea.

On August 02 2013 12:46 Holyflare wrote:
I am literally getting giddy from staying up and writing all this crap (it's 5am) so get your questions in right now before I go drop on my bed.

On August 02 2013 16:37 Gotard wrote:
RDO's spike is activity after the 1st is super weird.

Why did he wait so long to go on me when he could do that way later and instead he decided to lurk hard? It would be way more beneficial for town to accuse me before day ended because It would give us another lynch candidate and there would much more discussion going and voting patter would be more interesting to look at. All he did day one was lurking and sheeping Reps. I think he's trying to cover his sheeping and look more pro town.



Yeah, Engish isn't my native language and I make a lot of various mistakes

On August 03 2013 00:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
@slam Can you give us a analyze on what you feel about Umasi please.

On August 02 2013 22:28 Gotard wrote:

I don't really know what to think about him for now.

He doesn't seem pro town. More like happy spamming.

I need to dive his filter to say something more. I should be able to post about him later today. (I don't have much time to post right now)

On August 03 2013 06:15 Nightcat99 wrote:
I mean his vote were all over the place, he switched vote to slam on the last min because reason unknown to me....

On August 03 2013 08:17 infii wrote:
Also on a side note: Holy shit holy!
Your analysis is marvelous, I gladly would have get murdered instead of you!
Seems like scum knows what they are doing...

On August 03 2013 05:05 jrkirby wrote:


Good popcorn

On August 03 2013 09:10 Umasi wrote:
~I have explained myself for the vote swap, and that's what people hate.
Me and gotard being similarly suspicious of infii isn't weird, people who think that infii was town are weird, because he was scummy (not anymore)

also, if reps were an easy mislynch to push, why would I immediately target deus? Wouldn't it be more logical to keep pushing reps? Because that was early enough it wasn't "concrete" that reps was gonna get lynched.