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On August 08 2013 12:11 Umasi wrote:
Also, what makes deus a better lynch than you? That's what you have to convince me.
And I'm not leaning too far scum on you :<
I want a better reason than "well I am scummy but YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME" because deus could just go say something identical and we'd be back at square one.
At this point it doesn't seem like he can answer that. The fact of the matter is, I am not a better lynch than then slam.
Like, what do these posts say exactly? Nothing! Pointless spam!
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He has been posting shit like this all game. Somewhere in his 18 page filter of spam might be some indication that he is that last scum, and I aim to prove that. Want to know what is going through my mind right now? Alakaslam or Umasi, which one is it? Somewhere in those filters is the answer, and Ill be damned if I don't find out.
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Slam you are wrong on so many points. Your previous posts were painful to read. I had a great reason for pushing reps. Go look at how much discussion it generated. In addition, it helped town narrow our focus to Gotard because of his lack of involvement in the reps lynch, and his bizarre infii vote. You said that yourself in previous points. The reps mislynch did not give me towncred. It raised suspicion of me (see Zyrre's posts) and to a certain extent it discredited my opinion. You say I am playing a ultratown but that is also wrong. I have been right on 1 of my suspicions and thankfully I pushed it hard. I have been wrong on Reps, Zyrre, and RDO. However, it is clear that I have had the best interest of the town in my mind, supporting every decision I have made. Calling me the GF/final scum because I know everything is probably the absolute worst case you could make against me. I have been wrong but at least I have stuck my neck out and contributed. I have taken strong stances against people and done in-depth analysis. You, on the other hand, have offered very little. I am inclined to believe that you are the final scum. That being said, I promise to give you a fair shake. After reps and RDO I have learned that there can be a fine line between bad town play and scum play.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude wait look at hte vote thread
Deus not vote Gotard till last minute
Infii die next night right?
##Vote DeusXmachina
Slam this is ludacris. Did you even read the thread? Do you know how dangerously close we came to a no-lynch. We couldn't rely on Gotard to vote himself (he changed last minute). The only thing that saved us was Zyrre/Stim vote at the absolute last minute. I pressed the Gotard vote extremely hard. I did everything I could to try and get Zyrre to switch his vote. Do your research before you post shit like this.
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On August 09 2013 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Well then what, is Umasi the scum? And you skip my pushing of Umasi- was I right back then? All I know is that I am vt, stim is conf. town, and you were very late to actually vote Gotard. I am on such a slow connection for switching pages that I can't look through filters or even the thread ATM because I am also supposed to be digging holes.
Well Slam like I have said multiple times, I am going to look into you both, and not let my bias effect my analysis.
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On August 09 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo)
so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz.
I will. Big post coming tonight. At this point though, when stim is confirmed town, defending yourself is not totally useless. Eliminates 1/3. Mainly, I just wanted to point out that slams reasons for voting me are really weak. I guess he voted me before filter diving though.
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On August 09 2013 13:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 04:51 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 05 2013 04:50 Umasi wrote:
Slow down there deus, it's not set in stone gotard would flip scum. Zyrre holding out like a retard is similar to what I did, except I had to afk immediately afterward. Admittedly, this time during lynch period is really shaking my views of him, and if gotard flips scum I'll reconsider my read on Zyrre.
Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit. No don't worry Umasi. Gotard vote swapped himself. ^^ see am I only contradictory person in thread? No.
I was being sarcastic
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....................................................................................Umasi..........................................................................................
Allignment: Town
Overview:
1. Contributes and offers new ideas
2. Does not actively try to blend in
3. Has taken strong stances, points fingers, and has not been indecisive
4. Voting patterns
1. Contributes
Throughout this game Umasi has been legitimately contributing and posting new ideas. For example, Umasi was the first person to suspect me because of my early aggression on reps. In this post he expresses his suspicion and backs up his claim with reasons. As the game progressed he made other contributions. He was one of the first ones to make a case against infii, and he was the main advocate of lynching scam. He eventually moved on to Gotard here. Yes, he was not the first one to join the debate but his Gotard post did offer some new ideas and brought up key points.
In addition, Umasi has been doing night posts. He has been taking the time to look into everyone and post town reads or scum reads. Finally, He was one of the main contributors on the case against Zyrre and RDO.
2. Does not actively try to blend in
This is one of my main reasons for dropping suspicion on Umasi earlier in this game. His vote switch (more on that later) risked a potential no-lynch. This is NOT a scum thing to do. Umasi came under fire because of his vote switch and that is the last thing scum would want. Again, like I talked about in the previous paragraphs, Umasi has contributed new ideas and taken strong stances (more on that later). Strong stances made him stick out. He was very vocal about lynching scam and stuck to his guns for a long time on infii. Furthermore, members of this game thought Umasi was mafia due to his association with Gotard. Again, this did not help Umasi blend in. Why would a scum make a strong connection with someone who is suspected of being scum?
3. Points fingers, Strong Stances, and Decisive
As you are beginning to see, a lot of these ideas go together, but each of them are unique in their own right. The culmination of all these factors is why I do not suspect that Umasi is the final scum. He takes strong stances. Great examples of this are his infii stance, his scam stance, and later in the game his RDO and Zyrre stances. He does not back down and is not easily swayed. Look at how long it took him to be convinced that Infii was town. He is decisive. Now it is easy to say well his vote switch was not a decisive thing to do. However, quite the contrary. A great example of this IS his reps vote switch. He made up his mind (reps is not scum) switched his vote with the best intentions of town in mind and stuck with it.
4. Voting
The reps vote switch was not a scummy thing to do. He voted against scam at one point and voted pretty early against Gotard. Finally, he was one of the first ones to vote against Zyrre and RDO, and was the first one to make a vote in this final day. His voting patterns are consistent with his play style and reads (exemplifies his decisiveness and strong stances).
For these reasons I DO NOT believe that Umasi is the final scum. To reiterate he has contributed with logical thought out ideas, he has been active and has not blended in. Umasi has been decisive, he has taken strong stances, and his voting patterns reflect this.
At this point in time I am convinced that Slam is the final scum. Stim, if you read this post hopefully it convinces you (if you need convincing) that Umasi is not the final scum. A lot of these points that I addressed are from the General Guide to Mafia. Before I even started looking at Umasi's filter I went in unbiased analyzing his posts from a scum perspective and town perspective. It became evident that he was not acting like a scum. This leads me to my next post. I will be filter diving Slam and looking at similar key scum factors. If you would like me to elaborate or offer more examples on any of the key points that I brought up let me know.
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....................................................................................Alakaslam...................................................................................
Over the next day and a half I plan to work on convincing the rest of you guys that Slam is scum. In order to do this I will elaborate on the points I discuss tonight as well as offer more examples of what I am talking about. This serves as a introduction to what we should all explore in the next couple days. Lets begin.
Allignment: Scum
Overview:
1. Weak contributor and does not offer new ideas
2. Blends in with town
3. Does not take strong stances and is indecisive
4. Voting patterns
These actions are all scummy. As you may have noticed I am arguing the opposite points as I brought up on Umasi. I aim to prove that Slam is the last scum. If you would like me to elaborate on any of these points or offer more examples let me know. For the record I read all of slam's filter.
1. Contributions? Hardly
Slam has been playing a game of deception. It is almost astonishing to think about, but he IS the last Scum. Well why is it astonishing you ask? Simple. His massive amounts of posts have fooled everyone. He made it seem like he was contributing all the while in that 20 page filter of his was absolutely nothing of value. I implore you to look at how often he simply quotes something, offers nothing of value after the quote, and moves on. This is his first noteworthy post. Guys this is on filter page 13 and he started the game on 3. He went 10 fucking pages without contributing a damn. He slid through the ENTIRE reps lynch without offering anything. He frequently says things like "DEFEND YOURSELF". What does that offer? So often he quotes and says something stupid afterwards. What does THAT offer? Absolutely nothing. (Sidenote: there is so many examples of this stuff that I am not going to put them here. Please read his filter to see what I am talking about. Like I said I will happily generate specifics to make my point. This is just the beginning.) He votes Gotard but give almost no reason why. He does not make a strong stance against Gotard to explain his vote. Not only that but he is extremely indecisive over his Gotard vote (more on that later). Finally he does not contribute to the Zyrre discussion, and he does not contribute to the RDO discussion. In his 20 page filter he maybe has less 2 or 3 valuable posts.
2. Blends in with the town?
How obvious is this now that we are all thinking about it. The only thing that sets Slam apart is his wacky posts. But slam has gone completely uncontested, unnoticed. He has masterfully faked contribution. He has overloaded us with posts. He has bandwagoned on all of his votes and decisions. All for what? To appear town. It is clear to me now that Slam has been merely blending in. I think the reason so many of us overlooked it was because of his wacky posts. Slam never stickes himself out there. Has he ever been the first to take a stance against someone? NO. Has he ever been the first one to contribute new ideas? NO. Has he ever stuck his neck out there, had some really controversial opinions? NO NO and NO. He has been blending in this entire game.
3. Indecisive must be his middle name
Slam is very indecisive. IF you don't see this as a scummy thing go read part of the General Guide to Mafia. The best example of this is his vote against Gotard. He votes Gotard, unvotes, votes Umasi, unvotes, and finally votes Gotard again. Same thing with reps. Votes me, unvotes me, votes reps, unvotes reps, votes scam unvotes scam, votes reps. Look how indecisive this guy is being! It is absolutely ludacris. It goes to show that he is not taking strong stances against anyone. Slam has not taken a strong stance on anyone (p.s I know these transitions are painful, but who gives a fuck. I am not writing an essay here). Seriously! Go find me one example of a strong stance? He has none. He didn't have a good case against me (lol at the kenpachi rule), he didn't have a strong case against reps, he didn't have a strong case against Gotard, or Scam, or RDO, or Zyrre, or ... You get the point. NOBODY! He doesn't take a strong stance against ANYONE. More examples of this to come. A great example of his indecision is when he talks about reps in some of his posts.
4. Voting patters
I have already talked about this prior to this paragraph but let me summarize why his voting patterns are weird. He switches his vote a lot. He is one of the last ones to vote reps. He tags along with almost all of his other votes. Votes Gotard again after unvoting him. Votes RDO and Zyrre after others voted against them. His voting patterns exemplify his indecision.
I think there is a lot more that can be said about Slam. HE IS THE FINAL SCUM. If you don't believe me now I will spend the next day and half trying to convince you. I only wish I would have realized this earlier. Like I said, I can give a lot of examples when we get deeper into this discussion.
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In conclusion. I firmly believe Slam is the last scum. From here on out I dedicate myself to further exploring this. I also dedicate myself to convincing you guys (Umasi and Stim). I think my case is strengthened by my post on Umasi. I have Umasi pegged for town, and by simple elimination that means Slam is the last scum. Please read both my posts for this reason. If you need me to give specific examples I will. Like I said that post on slam is a good starting point. A lot can be accomplished by reading his filter. I recommend reading my post and then going to read his filter again to see what I am talking about. Last thing: sorry for the various spelling and grammar mistakes. I did not feel like doing a thorough proof of what I just wrote.
And last but certainly not least.
Slam you fooled us before, but no longer! The gig is up.
##Vote Alakaslam
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I can't sleep so I decided to post more.
Slam Stats:
Post count from start of game: 337
Number of posts that are similar to this
On August 03 2013 09:46 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 09:45 Nightcat99 wrote:
i like to metion zyree hasnot posted for almost 30 hours now, i know holy got a town read from him, but i actually never did.
His post were all a bunch of town read and null, i am not seeing how he could be consider as town. And yeah neuter did i
150/337 (that is rounding down to give him the benefit of the doubt)
Number of posts that contain a quote and nothing else: 3/337
Number of posts that contain one line of utter non-contribution (not including a quote if it is in the post): 90/337 (Again massive round down)
Number of posts containing pointless videos or pictures: 14/337
This may seem exaggerated but sadly it is not. The point is, slam has contributed very very little. He spent all this time giving us a delightful 337 posts, wonderful videos, quoting half of the thread, writing one line non-sense, but NOT contributing.
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I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis.
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On August 09 2013 13:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 10:15 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Umasi:
Aggressively hates no lynch
Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam"
Night
HolyFlare implicates him and dies
First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM!
His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote
Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man. How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not? Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote:
Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote Btw Umasi. We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum... This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM... Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote:Good Quote HereHe is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him. I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right? But augh, this is so town! Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings. Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right? Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME.
I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts.
1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi". You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right?
2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game.
3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam?
4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense.
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On August 09 2013 22:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 20:38 DeusXmachina wrote:
I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis. Make sure my filter AND the vote thread are read. Wasn't absent, and voted Gotard long before you.
To clarify for everyone. I was saying that Slam was absent at lynch time with the exception of reps. In the moments before the Gotard lynch we heard nothing from him. I guess Zyrre is irrelevant seeing as how he was not lynched. In the moments before RDO we heard nothing from him. This is especially weird because he is one of the most frequent posters.
Went back and looked at the time. Absent 2+ hours before the RDO lynch and absent roughly 4 1/2 hours before the Gotard lynch. This brings up another interesting point. Slam has not been aggressive in getting any lynches.
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On August 10 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder.
I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns
To RDO, for tunneling
To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC.
Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too.
What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it.
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Stim, and also Umasi, have you read Slam's filter? If so I would like to hear your thoughts. Do you have anything to add about his motives? This is definitely one of the hardest things to analyze, but I think we should try. Honestly it is not overkill at this point. This is the last day, unless there is a no-lynch, we must be positive we are making the right choice. I would really like to hear from Stim on this.
My quick thoughts: He had no intention of keeping his vote off a reps. Tries to swoop in and save the day by vote switching at the end to appear pro town. He takes a strong stance against Umasi to distract from the Gotard lynch or to try and lynch Umasi. He abandoned Umasi when it became apparent that Gotard will be the primary lynch candidate, and vote switches Gotard to appear pro town. Furthermore, he saw that RDO was almost certainly going to be lynched and does not get involved. He plays the waiting game knowing that town is killing off one of their own.
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EBWOP I should have said takes a stance against Umasi not takes a strong stance
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On August 10 2013 04:23 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:12 DeusXmachina wrote:
EBWOP I should have said takes a stance against Umasi not takes a strong stance Wait Wait Umasi you should remember this. What do you call a strong stance?
This is a strong stance
and this is not
Stop cherry-picking mistakes.
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On August 10 2013 08:57 Alakaslam wrote:
So stim, I couldn't premeditate anything. I just don't have the investment to do that unless I'm scum. So I'm not really good at this, but I need to help you (and maybe Umasi) narrow this down.
I am not scum. I have a very free flowing town style, and I am a person who is flawed and changeable; hence, I am not wholly consistent in everything I do, like all of us.
Deus has been claiming to be missing facts about my play but actually he is altering them. I don't really have a right to say whether or not that is scum agenda, or simple gut bias, but one or the other is happening.
You are confirmed town- that is all very well; but what do you think, if I went all deus on you do you think I could paint you scummy and convince Umasi of it (if he didnt know better)?
What would you do to defend yourself if I did? See because you haven't been very active in the thread, you know, totes proof you are trying to blend in. Also you haven't really aggressively pushed any lynches, have you? In fact, the one key difference between us is my jokes and vids.
And what lynches has Umasi pushed? Totes scum yo, by all your reasoning the only town in the thread is DeusXmachina!
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So what say you all.
Can you give us specific examples of the facts I am altering. You don't have a very free flowing town style. Your complete lack of contributions this game speaks more to your alignment than your "style of posting". You may have a free flowing style, but this game it is certainly not town.
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On August 10 2013 09:34 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 04:55 Umasi wrote:
=/ the stance you took on me wasn't strong when you backed off immediately when I posted my read of gotard, and before that all you really said was YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM YOU SCUM
The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it.
StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers. Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"? No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch.
What is this cop bs that you keep talking about. Show us where Umasi slipped it.
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How do you explain my aggression against Gotard pre-lynch. Would you call that pushing an agenda?
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