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Reasons for claiming vt: First off it's true lol, more importantly however I wanted to get some juicy reactions and I got some noteworthy already. the thing is the claim itself is entirely not indicative of alignment and in my opinion town should just take a note on it and move on. Sure you can't prove anything at this stage, but does it matter? You should be scumhunting not harping around a non-alignment indicative behavior. So let me summarize some reactions to it. Z-boson is doing the right thing, just noting it and moving on as seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... FirmTofu and rayn however strike me as incredibly scummy right now. Lazer already pointed out the thing that stands out about FirmTofu's behavior, so no need for me to elaborate on him. On Rayn however: Do you see the blatant contradiction? His first reaction is just a wtf, which is okayish to me, but a bit on the scummy side. Then he says that it is "pointless" and either "stupid or scum". Saying that there is no reason for me to do it: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. As Z boson points out however that it is simply not alignment indicative rayn goes to this position: + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? So let me summarize: -WTF --> Stupid or Scum --> He has a plan!!!! I don't apprehend how you can go through these stages based on logic. It is much more likely he tried to paint me in a bad manner, then saw that it did not quite work out and reverted course. I mean in the beginning he does not even entertain the notion of my claim being part of a plan, he just says stupid/scum. Anyway since he apparently got killed already not much more to say about him. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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Reading through the posted log. Seriously Malongo? Also wtf do you mean by Lazer's post is more of a "threat"? | ||
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Your "stupid or scum" post is just terribly wishy washy. Why do you feel the need to comment on it anyway? | ||
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I am more interested whether or not you are actually dead now. | ||
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On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT. ##Vote: ShiaoPi lol scum for not even reading properly? | ||
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Outlined my thoughts more than enough. and your subsequent vote is just terrible reasoning as well. | ||
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 FirmTofu and yours are precisely what I was hoping to get | ||
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There is no need to question me on the claim, just note it down like you would a miller claim or something. You cannot prove it you cannot make out whether I am lying or not until I flip. You could have easily just noted my lack of activity right after as Z boson did, as that is much more alignment indicative than the claim. Do I have to repeat myself? Well whatever you are scum bro | ||
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Not saying that I am encouraging setup speculation, I am saying that the discussion about QTs had more worthwhile things going on than a claim, which is not alignment indicative at all. Seriously you even reading what I am writing without trying to twist the words? | ||
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He first asks questions to the thread in regards to stances on QT (in this case whether or not to reveal you mason partner): but avoids posting this first: On July 24 2013 15:20 FirmTofu wrote: I agree with rayn. The claim rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand it. Where I stand: People should NOT be anonymous in their QTs. There is no reason to do that. People should be trying to discern the alignment of their partner, but not to the point where they stifle discussion in the QT. Pressure him, but don't argue incessantly. People should not tell the thread who their partners are. If the partners are both town, we end up denying scum a TON of useful information by not saying who your partner is. It will also be useful to find mini-mason circles to confuse scum. Which would instantly clarify his stance in any case. Why test the waters first with questions, if you have already made up your mind? It is scummy to me, trying to blend in with threadflow after asking where it is. | ||
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On July 24 2013 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand a single bit of this post. Are you accusing me of blending in by asking you questions, when i have clearly stated what my thought process was? You really aren't reading what I am posting.... You asked what I thought was important from the QT discussions. I provided an example from it, further enhancing why FirmTofu is securely in the scumcamp for me (besides the claim thingie). | ||
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On July 24 2013 20:45 Malongo wrote: Not so firm. But no that mafiaso either. If we are looking lynch targets I rather lynch a non poster. There are at least 4 people that have yet to post once. Lynching a participative player is dumb when mafia is more likely to be inactive. Assume for a second that there are no other players besides those who have posted until now. Who do you want to kill? | ||
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and that makes you unable to answer more questions? No to koshi right now. | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:03 Malongo wrote: I just named one inactive, it could have been anyone but Koshi is also playing Sicilian mafia, so i guess he could have posted here too. Aside from that nothing special, there was also Artanis, Dandel, Rainbows and Stutter. Do you really think that we have a better shot on an active player than the inactives pool? If you checked the timestamps of his last posts in sicilian you could see that he has not been posting since our game started, probably just no time I would guess. And yes I believe to have a better shot on an active player. Since lynching somebody who has not even posted yet is fucking stupid beyond measure. you might as well flip a coin | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let me get this straigth ShiaoPi. This is your thought process: I am scum because i did discuss your claim and wanted to know your reasons for claiming VT. You say i should have focused on other things like QT-talk, which i did. At the same time you accuse FirmTofu of being wishy-washy about the QT-thingy (asking useless questions). By that logic i should come up as townie to you, because i did what you by your own words expect from a townie. You say Z-Boson did a townie thing by saying your claim is not alignment indicative. Guess what. I said that too, i said your reasons for the claim might be alignment indicative. Z-Boson however implies he is supicious of you in the very same post, when activity is really not a thing that's alignment indicative, at least in the first 12 hours of the game. You take that as a face value, actually you YOURSELF call your actions (or rather lack of them - activity) scummy, but when i state my reasons for my actions you are not willing to even try to understand them. By using that logic i could say you are scum because you fucked up at the start. You can't explain that, it is set in the stone. But i am not, so can you now clarify your thought process to me. are you familiar with the kenpachi rule? I just used it on you and firmtofu. The point is there is no need for a townie to discuss my claim in any way larger than a passing notice of "alright, let's see what you deliver the following days". Your reaction of first trying to paint me scummy and then backtracking is exactly the scummy reaction I was hoping to receive. Scum will jump on the claim since it is such an easy way to "contribute" and "scumhunt". I do not deny that you were doing correct things as well (such as discussing QT-things). On ZBoson, the important thing is he is not basing his suspicions on the claim but rather on activity, which is a better measure than a VT-claim. You discussing QT-stuff is also the reason you are only my secondary scumread at the moment. FirmTofu is a much more certain scum to me than you right now. What I dislike is your vote on me and attempting to twist my words in the discussion we had earlier. I do not understand what you are trying to say in your last sentence btw. Are you saying I fucked up at start and therefore must be scum? | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying you are saying so. I am not familiar with the Kenpachi rule and i don't even care because i did not call you scummy because of your claim. God, why is that so hard to understand? Tell me, what else does that mean: On July 24 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am here. ShiaoPi what the hell? Why did you claim vt? Also everyone shoud be sharing their identity in mason QT's, the people who don't should be killed. If your mason partner does not share their identity kill them. There is no reason not to share that information. "what the hell" implies that you think of this claim as negatively On July 24 2013 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because the claim is either stupid or scum. saying that the claim is either stupid or scum, is indirectly calling me scummy. On July 24 2013 15:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my point. There is no reason he should do that as town whether or not he actually is a vt. This post implies that I am not town to you. On July 24 2013 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's the only thing ShiaoPi has posted, how could anything else be an issue with him? I know the claim is not alignment indicative in itself, but ShiaoPi's reasons sure are. There is a reason he said what he did, and i want to know what his reasons were. Sylencia asks people about if mason-partners should reveal their identity to each other. However he himself seems to have no stance on that. That's what caught my attention. Sylencia: Do you think mason partners should reveal their identity to each other? Why/why not? This is where you backpedal On July 24 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit. You actually did say you really are a VT. ##Vote: ShiaoPi and finally this does say pretty surely that you think of me as scum. Did I miss anything? | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:29 Malongo wrote: Hey ShiaoPi dont you really think that Lazermonkey is far better lynch target? Would you care to elaborate on that? I currently don't see a reason to kill him | ||
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The thing is Lazer does not know it. He even says it explicitly that he is assuming the following 3 things. | ||
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It is a nice detail you found, something to keep in mind but not convincing me enought to switch of FirmTofu right now. | ||
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We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of your posts. Still you and FirmTofu were the only persons to really react in a suspicious manner to the claim so that is the point where I am standing. Who is your lynch-choice now that you have unvoted? | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:04 Malongo wrote: I meant that mafia knows if they got 2 of them paired. Lazer is assuming there were no mafia paired *but* that the pairing is random. Do you see the flaw? If he really thinks the pairing is random there is no way to assume a 1-1 pairing unless you actually noted that mafia is not paired together. If you just go with the numbers and the probabilities involved a 1-1 pairing instead of a doublescum pairing in the qt is more likely. | ||
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Not sure what to make of that right now. @Zboson: Rayn is still scummy to a certain degree, I initially thought him more scummier than tofu, but thought he would be dead already so I voted FT. Now I am of the opinion that a FT lynch is actually pretty good. Let's examine FT a little further, especially the posts he did when he came back. First off the defense in regards to his reaction to the VT claim: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2013 06:45 FirmTofu wrote: I have no idea what this Kenpachi rule is but it is clearly a terrible way to find scum because I am town. I'm going to explain exactly why I didn't like ShiaoPi's VT claim. You can decide whether my reasoning is scummy but don't give me this bullshit "Kenpachi rule" to justify your suspicions. Why Claiming VT As Town Is Bad Alright, so we are assuming the claimer is town. Great. Why is this bad play? Let me explain. There are two situations possible if you are town. You are either: 1) Blue claiming VT 2) VT claiming VT 1-> I think we can all agree that blue claiming VT is a terrible idea. It introduces unnecessary confusion in the town and serves no purpose. 2-> This is a little more debatable. Let's assume for a second that claiming VT as VT is a good play. If it was good, then everyone should agree that all VTs should claim VT, right? Okay, let's play out what happens when all VT's claim VT. Assuming some sort of balance with 6VT, 3Blue, 3Scum... we will have 6 VT claiming VT. However, this forces scum into a decision point. Do they claim VT or remain unclaimed? If they choose to remain unclaimed, they would be associating themselves with the 3 blues. If they claim VT, they would be associating themselves with the VTs. Town would be subject to a mass roleclaim and it would be impossible to discern alignments because scum could have just as easily fakeclaimed into either grouping. Town learns absolutely nothing and scum would easily be able to pick out the blues one by one while hiding in a sea of VTs barring fake roleclaims from town. If you agree with this scenario, you must agree that claiming VT as VT is not good town play. I really disagree with a lot of those points. First off it is mainly arguing from setup speculation. He does not say anything about the fact that a vt claim like I did is pretty much a throwaway thing and null. Now in regards to his scumhunting post: On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote: A few things I don't like. 1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him. 2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP? 3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me. 4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. 5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying. 1) explained it above already 2) It is rather obvious that Lazer thinks FT scummy so it is logical that Lazer is going after a scumleaning read instead of a null one?? 3) Rayn is a scummy guy, we can agree on that. 4)This is something FT himself is guilty off, when you go through his posts later. He is pressuring but votes nobody. 5) I am not really a great fan of meta but this pretty much says that dandel is town. That is his entire contribution for day 1 until now. Not very impressive, and these 5 points are all he got out from this thread? Especially the point on Artanis really rubs me in a bad way. FT is scum, go kill him! Somebody else who really got my attention was Rainbows. He completely derails the thread with his policytalk (together with Koshi). My point on the proposed doublelynch is that it is not feasibly since you cannot assume that everyone will cooperate, so basically it is just a huge waste of time and might be a good thing for scum to appear contributing, while not actually doing so. Also the exchange he had with Dandel regarding his reads struck me as terribly scummy..... Finally his case on artanis is weird. It feels forced and is not really convincing (at least to me). WHile it is true that artanis has not been one of the more vocal persons in thread I don't see anything lynchworthy right now. What is also interesting is that he has not commented on rayn or FT besides a I dont like the FT wagon. Let me summarize a bit: For day 1 I am interested in lynching into one of these: FT, Rainbows, Rayn. Would be most happy with a FT lynch. | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote: Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game. quote ftw | ||
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what makes FT so town that you are willing to just sheep his vote? what happened to your own scumreads? | ||
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True that post is terribad, but the entire thing with the shot is iffy. If he was faking it, it was actually some good play, but dunno. I am more comfortable with the 3 I mentioned earlier | ||
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Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:46 Koshi wrote: I read it. I like it. I have FT his back. That's all. you serious? | ||
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This is getting ridiculous. Earlier I commented on each of these points, only the rayn one stands up to scrutiny | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:59 Koshi wrote: My own personal opinion is that I don't have a case to start the damn wagon. But if somebody else (my townread) would share the same idea, then I would gladly put my vote on Artanis as well. Like I said. I read that filter from Artanis and I think. What if he keeps doing this? Are we ever going to find out what he thinks? Nope. Never. At least you guys know what I am thinking this game. Or pretend to be thinking. What do you know from Artanis? Nothing. He made 1 decent post? Or is it 2? what? you dont have the right to start a wagon? You do realize you should just lynch/vote for the target you think is the scummiest???? You are starting to look scummier and scummier....If artanis is so scummy why dont you just vote him? I dont even understand | ||
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@FT: can you expand your read on rainbows? | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reread Rayn, seems pretty townie. Kenpachi gambit not effective this game  Too active and angry at people. Scum games seem more calculated.How many times can we mislynch? Need to know how big my carpet bomb list can be. i suggest reading parts of his catch 22 filter. am i the only one who thinks it is kinda similar? assuming 9-3 split of players its 2 mislynches to lylo if the nighthit always goes thriugh | ||
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gut feeling. but taht is very unreliable(see goodkarma in catch22 lol), since you brought it up though i felt like sharing it. maybe other ppl will look at it and feel the same way | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean my case on GK? I would have done that as town aswell, dude was so scummy. But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/ I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time. I cannot pinpoint it. Just as i said it's a feeling of familiarity in general | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote: I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up? | ||
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unfortunately i am now at a state where I can be happy to lynch like half the players ~.~ Its 2am so I am heading to bed now. Will be back before the deadline to check on new developments and put down my vote. let me leave a couple of notes to you before sleeping: dandel might be a disruptive annoying little bitch but he is most probably town. sylencia is indeed a lynchbait, however in later cycles he is able to give out great reads(see I swear mafia1) so I would advocate waiting on him rainbows is now nullish to me. liked his recent posting. maybe I made too big of a deal out of the entire policy thing. rayn is weird. If i were to vote now it is him. but i have a couple of doubts so i will decide after sleeping on it. koshi currently strikes me as ixncredibly stupid/noobie town. Its as said before too scummy for scum. on artanis i did not want to lynch him earlier since he is a vet. while i have not played with him before I think he miht be worthwhile to keep around for at least another day to see if his posting gets better. on malongo: the shot thing is the redeeming factor, otherwise he looks not too good. dunno abiut him thats more or less the jumbled stuff I got now before sleeping see yiu all tmr! | ||
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Malongo are you still in thread? | ||
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Get your votes on rayn..... ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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33 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 11:56 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Sure thing 32 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 11:51 AM ET (US) if the lynch has less than 4 people on it i'm going to hold you fully responisble. 31 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 10:41 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE <3 30 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 10:00 AM ET (US) "catching up" doesnt count just ftr 29 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 09:38 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE lol 28 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:31 AM ET (US) actually maybe it's only 4 hours better go fast! 27 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:29 AM ET (US) If you don't post by the time I go out tonight (in about 5 hours from now) I'm actually going to shoot you dead. I'm dead serious with this one. 26 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-25-2013 07:25 AM ET (US) how about you actually play the game, genius? 25 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:15 PM ET (US) brb doing science 24 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:15 PM ET (US) cuntnipples ... sounds like a good idea AN IDEA IS BORN 23 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:11 PM ET (US) wait hold your nipples koshi enters the fray a strong contender 22 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 04:09 PM ET (US) im calling tofu rainbows and artanis im also calling you a cuntdick gotta kill zbobo somewhere down the road tho, dude is annoying 21 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 09:15 AM ET (US) the door is open but nothing comes out if people only go in there's not gonna be any room left. 20 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 09:12 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE just in case you find yourself in dire straits, just know that my door is always open to you! 19 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:36 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE sure thing little lady 18 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:32 AM ET (US) I'm a beautiful independent townie and i dont need no pimp 17 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:30 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE It's not like I actually intended to use it that early anyway. Dunno why you are so bitter. Only would have killed you if you had not even posted for like 16 hours or something after game start. Now seriously, any chance you might want to talk instead of just being whiny? 16 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) YOU DID NOT SEE IT 15 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) /m12 You're in no-information zone until you behave like a nice boy again. 14 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:26 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE who do you want to kill if firmtofu is not in the game? edit: Did see it already. useless guy, maybe town.Edited 07-24-2013 08:27 AM 13 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:25 AM ET (US) you did not see #11 12 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:25 AM ET (US) but wait i don't want to share stuff with YOU, specifically. The thread just has to suffer your punishment too, because u can read it if i post in thread. fk i just shared something QUICK DELETE 11 Deleted by author 07-24-2013 08:25 AM 10 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 08:21 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Since you do not want to share stuff with the thread. Mind sharing stuff in here? What do you think about Malango? 9 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:57 AM ET (US) Now if you could stop acting like you own the world it'd be much appreciated. I hate those kinda guys, fyi 8 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:51 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I <3 you too Dandel 7 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:51 AM ET (US) now to read the thread. 6 DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:50 AM ET (US) You're already dead. It was nice knowing you. Next time have less of a stick up your ass. Clearly scum trying to look tryhard. 5 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:50 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Well that sounds fun then, definitely a good working relationship we have for this qt. go post or tell me who you are 4 a mysterious being 07-24-2013 07:47 AM ET (US) Not if I kill you first bitch 3 ShiaoPiPerson was signed in when posted 07-24-2013 07:03 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Since you seem to be away still I am concluding you are one of Artanis, Stutters, Koshi, Dandel or Rainbows. Just felt like telling you to start posting soon or I am gonna invoke the masonkill (in case it is still available anyway), oh yeah I am shiaopi btw. 2 someone 07-24-2013 12:35 AM ET (US) sooo wanna talk about anything? | ||
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Why no to a rayn lynch? | ||
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What is stopping me from voting malango or sylencia is that I'd rather lynch a scumread of mine instead of a "bad townie/possible scum"-read of mine. I know that he will be terrible to have around endgame (thank you for reminding me of grush and bm -.-), but useless/trollish does not necessarily mean scum. I mean you would have to lynch dandel if you want to policylynch trolly/deadweight townies, but he is pretty much town due to his stupid meta.... | ||
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That's another reason why we should kill rayn, I expect a town rayn to just kill malongo instead of making us use a lynch on him, if he thinks him scummy. | ||
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He might be not the most active but he is useful to have around | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:31 Z-BosoN wrote: He could have scumhunted, he could have given his reads. I stated that I would keep my vote on him until he actually contributed and he didn't do shit. If he's town, he's not playing to his meta. can you link me a game of his for meta? | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Then stutters needs to play better next time + You have saved us a misslynch. just no | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:52 Z-BosoN wrote: 7 minutes I'll laugh at you all if Malango is scum well you would be justified in that :D | ||
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##Vote: Malongo | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:38 cDgCorazon wrote: VOTE COUNT: Malongo (6): Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Artanis[Xp], Raynpelikoneet, Sylencia, Artanis[Xp] (4): Rainbows, Koshi, Lazermonkey, raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu, FirmTofu (1): Dandel Ion, Koshi (0): Lazermonkey (0): Sylencia (0): ShiaoPi (0): Stutters695 (0): Deadline is in ~23 minutes. Currently Malongo is set to be lynched! Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote: Ange777. For now I am clearing Rainbows, Koshi and Lazer as not to be looked at. Syl is obviously confirmed town. That leaves us with a pool Stutters, Boson, Rayn, FT, Dandel and myself. From those commenting on Artanis were the following: Stutters: No comment on Artanis at all and was voting Malongo Boson: Defended Artanis from accusations, called him town and led the lynch on Malongo Dandel: Calls Artanis scummy, but does not follow up thoroughly votes Tofu. rayn: opposes the artanis lynch, happily jumped aboard the malongo train. FT:puts some slight suspicion on artanis, wants to get rayn instead but would be happy to kill artanis as second choice. me: opposed the artanis lynch, wanted to get rayn jumped on malongo after he switched to ensure lynch instead of no-lynch. Let us also take a look at artanis' filter: -Okay with FT or rayn being lynched, focuses on ft though. -Changes to rayn and ft are town -votes Lazer then proceeds to stupidly sheep Boson What we can gather from these observations: -Stutters looks absolutely terrible. Search artanis in his filter and be amazed by 0 results -Boson would look terrible too, but I think he was simply flat out wrong (as was I) since his filter is giving me townie vibes all over besides the way the lynch happened -Not much in change of my opinion to rayn -FT and lazer are probably cleared for now, since both were targets of Artanis early. -Dandel is dandel so nothing to gain from that. Conclusively I suggest we kill Stutters or rayn day 2. | ||
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My scummy ---> townie list for now: Rayn, Stutters, Koshi, FT, Dandel, Z-Boson, Lazermonkey, Rainbows, Sylencia | ||
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I did not want to kill Artanis since I wanted to keep him around for another cycle and see if he would continue to be useless. Therefore I sat on my vote and wanted to off rayn(still want to), my scumread. In regards to my read on FT the thing that artanis attacked him is more or less the cherry on top. During my interaction with him earlier I was already moving him out of the scummy zone. Also he is a town-leaning null read not a townread | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:17 Lazermonkey wrote: So you'd rather kill your town read than the person you think is useless? Look at it from my perspective. I come back around lynchtime see a martyr vote and go hmm this is much more likely to come from a townie instead of a scum person. This means that malongo is a townleaning nullread, not a townread. I try to get people to switch on rayn since I also don't want to lynch artanis who was a null read. Nobody seems willing to switch, at that time we have like 6 on malongo and 4 on artanis and I am not having a foolproof 100% townread on malongo, so I go meh, probably a mislynch but at least it is not on one of my higher townreads and while malongo might be town, he is/was not really useful so I did not object strongly to the lynch after seeing that it is probably between artanis or malongo. Malongo was scummy before the martyr thing, that made him a good deal townier but finally still a nullread(although leaning town). Artanis was just null. I want to kill rayn, not going to happen so fine then kill one of the others it matters not much to me as my single vote was not enough to switch things. If you believe me to be scummy for this then feel free to do so. I did not like either of the two offered lynches so I became kind of detached and did not really care. But I do implore you to start differentiating when I say townleaning null read and townread, it is a huge deal to me. | ||
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I wake up to endgame?! :D:D:D:D GG guys! Thanks for hosting! I really like the Mason idea for this game, it makes it a lot of fun and gives room for big plays xD Well this was pretty much the definition of a perfect storm for town. Town really played a phenomenal game Kenpachi rule got rayn, artanis was vigged and boson came under scrutiny because of it. Even without the traitor gambit of FT (kudos for baller play) I think town had this in the bag pretty much .On another note, Cora did you lie to me? I thought I had the night immunity to play around with? ^^ | ||
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I just would not have played as aggressively without it ^^ | ||
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